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EDIT: Sadly it would appear the appology is fake but the original tweet is real, see here, https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1957474564834836630
RedSkizzers
Sue him anyways.
SquashDemon
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YzJ1M29wc2djdGZvcTl4cmc0bmY0cmdoeHBvaWx2d3Zia3V1MzBscSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/3i7zenReaUuI0/200w.webp
machmach
thedorkitect
Why include the fake apology at all? Misinformation is still misinformation.
makeamericasmartagain9000
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlOHJ6MmphZno4ZzNtMWRqMXFvZ2xncTc5dTE0aTNzZXgyanI4cXV0MCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/S9NByAZebNkSJcPnHx/200w.mp4
Rascael
How EVERY person supporting an end to GENOCIDE by ISRAEL needs to respond to being accused of antisemitism...
NeoNeanderthal
Most Judaist Israelis are not semites. Most of the people they murder in their latest genocide alone are. Hasidic Jews are to my knowledge the only Jews that are semites. Israeli far right politicians and their supporters regularly claim Hassidics aren't really Jews.
theworldcouldbeflat
By actively financing an actual Nazi you too can be part of the problem.
OnyxTurret
Lawyering up? Sounds expensive.
MostAwesomeDan
Also how everyone whose first and last name has ever come out of Trump's mouth should be acting.
PicassoCT
The fact that so much disproportionate noise, goes to the region with the least horrific news in the middle east, while black starvation in sudan or brown-on-brown genocide in syria gets ignored- is proof. They are not starving and there is no genocide in ghaza- you can do neither for a full year. Genocides have a tendency to be over rather quick.
18booma
Why don't you make an educational post about Sudan or Syria, rather than cynically using them to try and silence people who speak out against the genocide of the Palestinian people? It's because you don't really give af, you genocide denying monarchist.
Radix865
The holocaust went on for 4 years... But sure.
18booma
7 years if you start the timeline at Kristallnacht.
neo154
Powerful. I was surprised to read the apology
mangoinparis
It's fake
neo154
I can't trust anything anymore.
Peden1
Breathing in for 8 seconds and out for 6 will reduce insurrectionist tendencies... Remember not to be angry about nonsense. We're on the same team
KommanderKayriel
Choosing not to breathe will reduce fascist tendencies by 100%.
Peden1
What political office are you running for, and when can I vote for you?
KommanderKayriel
I'm up for President of Getting Rid of These Nasty Fucks. The platform I run on is ensuring Fascists Are Dead Everywhere, or FADE. Remember, always run a FADE on a Nazi! Vote for Komm.
Peden1
I don't condone violence, but you got my vote
trythebleucheese
I'm an anti-zionist Jew. What'll he call me?
Qpnao
Self hating probably :/ or a liar
trythebleucheese
probably
VodkaReindeer
you can be biased against your own people https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/black-on-black-racism-the-hazards-of-implicit-bias/384028/
trythebleucheese
but I'm not. I'm not a Zionist
TofuGolem
You can only say that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism if you believe that Jews are inherently genocidal, which, interestingly, is an argument the Nazis once made.
onlymypoorwhisker
You are conflating Jews and zionists. Not all Jews are zionists and not all zionists are Jews
TofuGolem
Wait. I'm the one that is conflating zionism and all Jews? Not the people who argue that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism? Fascinating.
onlymypoorwhisker
17 days ago, no idea what I was thinking, can't even remember reading your comment. Perhaps I replied to the wrong comment, or I misread and completely missed your point.
ThailandExpress
ulfgarBentbeak
No. Antisemitism in the West traces all the way back to the middle ages. It's actually rooted in consequences of the prohibitions of the Catholic Church. Namely, that the Catholic Church forbade usury between Christians. Meaning that you couldn't have banks. So when Kings needed to borrow money, one of the few ways to do it was to borrow from a Jewish Community. In turn, one of the easy ways to get out of your debts was then to run off that Jewish community by stoking anti-antisemitism.
mangoinparis
Actually antisemitism is older than Israel and Jews are not responsible for it.
sassyclassykickassy
Most things are older than Israel.
Serpiko
My dad is older than Israel.
tinyfootprints
I have been accused of antisemitism just on the basis of having been born in an Arab country. Remember that while not all Semites are Arabs, all Arabs are Semites. And it's ludicrous to hear people calling us Semites "anti-Semitic." Y'all need to study up on just exactly what a "Semite" is.
Taxian
Arabic is a semitic language. This does not mean "anti-Semitism" covers anti-Arab racism or sentiment. The term was popularized specifically to give a scholarly-scientific veneer to "Judenhaas" (lit: Jew-Hate) by Wilhelm Marr. But if you are annoyed at the term applying to Arabs, then lets use the term it replaced: Arab countries have some of the most extreme and consistent "Judenhaas" on the planet.
tinyfootprints
It sure looks that way from the outside. But from the time I was old enough to speak, I was taught to be conscious of the distinction between Jewish people, who are Semitic people just like Arabs are, and the government of Israel, which imho is hateful and greedy. So, no, we don't have anything against Jews. We do have a problem with Israel. And that problem is based on its actions, not its pedigree.
Taxian
Unfortunately, your anecdotal experience about respect for the Jewish people while bearing hatred for the Israeli Government, is not reflected in broad data about the region and Judenhaas there, including negative attitudes towards Jews as a whole that are not limited to the Israeli government. For example, here's some Pew research from '08 that illustrates Judenhaas in many Arab states. https://web.archive.org/web/20171218070018/http://www.pewglobal.org/files/pdf/262.pdf
tinyfootprints
Thanks for that link. What I could gather from reading it tells me that lots of countries have a generally negative perception of Jews, somewhat but not a lot more pronounced in Arab countries. And the title: "Unfavorable views of Jews and Muslims on the rise in Europe." So it's about European attitudes. It isn't clear to me that it makes sense to conflate "Judenhaas" with "Unfavorable views." I have unfavorable views of lots of things that I don't hate, I just don't favor them.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Someone got a letter on an attorney's letterhead.
Sonicschilidogs
The representative for the Fuck Around kingdom has just met with the delegate from Find Out
onlymypoorwhisker
Sadly the apology is fake but Zarah's tweet is real, https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1957474564834836630
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Well bah
Hoop66
Somebody faked a reply, you mean.
mangoinparis
And would have thrown it in the grabage cause this is a fake tweet.
onlymypoorwhisker
I should have checked, my bad, I now have an x account so can check in the future.
revolutionofevolution
Delete your x account and just stop reposting tweets.
theworldcouldbeflat
Yeah most of the Tweets on the front page are fake, except for Sleeper kid but only because he actually has an account here.
InfocalypseRising
It’s wild how these losers IMMEDIATELY buckle at the slightest resistance and most people still just won’t fight back
mangoinparis
Because it's a fake tweet
NoCapForRealForReal
This is true. Just look at how trump acted when a whole squad of European leaders showed up at his door, vs the next day when they had left.
Fascists are the most cowardly losers among us - never forget that.
TheSecondPiewackit
It's like most Americans never actually fought their bully.
MehEdits
America has a both sides are responsible for the fight rule. Self-defense is not applicable. You are literally told to take it and report it. Some say lay down and curl into a ball. Fighting back leads to punishment, even court with community service. Ask me how I know.
InfocalypseRising
"iT dOeSn'T mAtTeR wHO stARtEd iT"
InfocalypseRising
I can't speak for everyone but I was always told "just ignore them, they'll get bored and go pick on somebody else" which A: does not work and B: even if it did they're still making somebody miserable
Goldensands
TheSecondPiewackit
Yeah, the whole "they'll get bored and pick on someone else" thing CAN work, but it's a specific game to play with specific kinds of bullies, and not the one-size-fits-all that school officials pretend it is. And like you said... ok so we're just leaving a predator in the room, and the game is not to get eaten? What kinda fuckin sense does that make?
SquashDemon
This is actually true, "just hit the bully back" wasn't popular because bullies tend to pick kids who couldn't beat them in a fight, and schools disproportionately sided with them, "tell the bully they're making you feel bad" didn't work because bullies don't have a developed sense of empathy, so multiple generations of Americans instead learned that, "bullies get what they want, so stay out of their way" hence... *gestures at everything*
TheSecondPiewackit
Exactly. Story time: I had a bully. My parents told me "You're not allowed to throw the first punch. Ever. The second they push you, punch you, or touch you in a way you don't like, you show that little fucker his lunch."
So when the little bastard nearly crashed into me with his bike, and started pushing me, I kicked him in the balls. He didn't like that and broke my nose so I punched him a few times and started running down the street... 1
TheSecondPiewackit
... and he started that smug "Duuurr look he's runnin away!" but like... I ran toward his bike and stomped the spokes on the wheels. The gloating turned into whining, and since Bully was fatter than me by a mile, he couldn't exactly keep up on foot. Got home, cried to mom, who told me she'd back me up if anything came up since my nose was fucked. The fun part? Bully acted like nothing ever happened and I was invisible. I didn't even win the fight. But he walked everywhere after that. 2
TheSecondPiewackit
He probably thought he was hot shit since my face was all bruised up, but like... he literally never talked to me again, and certainly never tried to kick my ass again. He also lost a bunch of friends from our class because they saw it, and since this was rural and bikes were how kids got places, he stopped showing up at hangouts. It feels like he broke my nose, but I cut off his legs. 3
mangoinparis
Yall are living in fantasy land. This is a fake tweet. You might dream of sueing anyone who accuses you of antisemitism like a mini-Trump but you'll find it hard. Criticizing Israel isn't antisemitic, but a lot of anti-Zionist posts certainly are. Criticism of Israel's genocidal attacks on Gaza does not equal anti-Zionism. Anti-Zionism seeks the destruction of Israel. Anti-Zionism is Israel, not Palestinian, centred. Free Palestine. Down with anti-Zionism.
Qpnao
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2025/08/19/zarah-sultana-antisemitism/ receipts
mangoinparis
The tweet isn't there. Did you not read through the article?
HandFireWeapon
Did you? "The fact that Oliver Kamm, an Oxford-educated journalist for The Times has since deleted his tweet accusing Sultana of anti-Semitism speaks volumes." That was part of her conditions not to sue him.
mangoinparis
Whether he deleted a tweet is beside the point. The tweet posted above where he appologizes is fake. Op has confirmed this. I suspect the abuse he's received makes him very regrettful indeed.
westellar
I get that you're trying to distinguish Zionism as simply the belief in a Jewish state - Israel, but this is just tone deaf to current events. It is precisely Israel's Zionist faction - Zionist government - that is perpetuating the genocide of Palestinians. It is precisely the Zionists who people are rightly critical of. Criticizing the Zionists is not antisemitic, and does not "seek the destruction of Israel". Germany survived the Nazi's, and Israel will survive the Zionists.
mangoinparis
What makes then Zionists and not the Israeli far right? How the do you distinguish then from people who support Israel as a Jewish homeland but are against the genocidal attack on Gaza? This is a sizable number of folks who feel demonized (as Jews) by antiZionism.
westellar
Zionism is just a name. Those who call themselves Zionist don't own the idea that Israel should exist, or even that it should be a Jewish nation. You can think these things without supporting a group that has gone too far, crossed every line there is to cross. If there are people who claim to be ideologically Zionist now but don't support the Zionists leading the way, well, their options are distancing themselves from the group or overthrowing it. Don't support a genocide.
mangoinparis
Zionism is not just a name. It is a real historical movement for Jewish national self-determination. How is it helpful to take the term and twist it to mean support for the Gazan genocide? Why should an Israeli who opposes the war but doesn't want Israel liquidated be labeled the same as a far right minister who wants Gaza destroyed? It seems lazy at best, malicious at worst.
westellar
That is *exactly* the problem. Zionism is a historical movement. It's an ideology, a political stance, a government. It can't be simplified as "belief in Jewish national self-determination" anymore. Claiming yourself as a Zionist is claiming its history, and its current reality. And its current reality is Gaza. It's time to let it go - you can believe in Jewish self determination without clinging to the name used to justify atrocity.
RoutemasterFlash
The problem is, if a key part of your ideology is that you "hate Zionists", then you unavoidably hate most Jews (in Israel or outside it), since most Jews are Zionists.
It's a big problem, because it does strictly speaking just mean a belief that Israel should exist - so you can criticise Israel, even call it horribly violent and racist, but if you support its existence, you're a Zionist. But it's come to mean baby-murdering Nazi psycho.
RoutemasterFlash
So you can understand that it puts Jews (outside the small minority who are vocally anti-Zionist) in an awkward place to have people saying to them "So you're an anti-Zionist, then? One of the good ones?", and if they say no, for them to be suspected (or accused) of being baby-murdering Nazi psychos.
westellar
Because they're calling themselves baby murdering Nazi psychos. It sucks, that their chosen ideology is spearheaded by baby murdering Nazi psychos, but them's the breaks. So now they either distance themselves from the name Zionist or they overthrow the baby murdering Nazi psychos. Proudly declaring yourself a Nazi who doesn't support Hitler, specifically, is... certainly a choice. ... Just like saying they believe in Israel, but decrying everything Zionism has become would be a choice.
mangoinparis
So you redefine Zionism and then tell Jews to disavow the term based on the new definition you created?
RoutemasterFlash
That's an appallingly bad analogy. Germany existed before Hitler came along and continued to exist after his death.
The correct analogy would be to say that any ethnic German must either support the abolition of Germany in its entirety, or be considered a Nazi.
HandFireWeapon
I think the problem is that Zionism in it's most basic form only has to do with the existence of Israel. Liberal Zionism for example wants a nation with equal rights for all inhabitants. You can be a Zionist and still strongly oppose the genocidal actions of Israel. Of course, it's far easier to just generalise the term and put everyone into the same basket. 'muricans do that A LOT.
fenomas
Background: libel law in the UK is *quite* tilted towards the accuser, much moreso than in the US.
InTangier
Yikes, I had no idea. Libel laws, in general, have always been weird to me. You can have laws against harassment, hate speech, and any damage to your character, losing your job etc can be a factor that can be added when deciding restitution for victims, or as a result of a civil lawsuit.
I mean, I've always lived in places where you had protected speech and could badmouth folks. False rumours? A-ok. Hate speech? Jail.
Kinda dangerous to fall into the whole "defending my honour" framework.
ulfgarBentbeak
Not just the UK either. Australia too. Not sure if any other of the English common law derived nations are in the same bracket.
SaintSleepyWeasel
The problem in the US is there is a long history of using this sort of lawsuit to silence people. We wrote slap suit laws to try to dissuade it, but the ability to "stall," and cost people millions in dollars before the trial would even begin is nightmarish. It is also designed that way.
CrabbyBlueberry
In this example it was for the best, but more often it has a chilling effect on free speech. For example there was this mathematician who had his life almost ruined because he claimed that chiropractory was a bunch of chicanery and got sued by a dozen quack spine snappers.
Alozar
Insane considering chiropractic medicine has no real scientific basis and was supposedly invented by a man who claimed he learned about it from an "otherworldly spirit". Fuck those guys, bunch of con men.
marsilies
The 2016 film Denial, starring Rachel Weisz, depicts the true story of Deborah Lipstadt, a Holocaust scholar, who was sued by David Irving, a Holocaust denier, for libel in the UK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfyw7Uz8_2A
mangoinparis
For the best if it supports something you believe in. That's the right and left today. If you only support speech you like you aren't really in favour of free speech.
CrabbyBlueberry
BoTh sIdES
mangoinparis
Yes, both sides (or all sides) have their speech protected. That's the point of free speech. If it's only speech that you like that is protected, what's the point? Even the most despotic government allows speech that they agree with.
TheJuiceLoosener
Thanks for clarifying something the comment above you already made 100% clear.
newsguycraigevans
They wanted to add their Both Sides! bullshit take.
mangoinparis
Yes, both sides think the other side doesn't have a right to free speech. Do you always talk in internet catch phrases now?
Ristari
You are free to say anything you want. I do not have to agree with those things. I do not need to take you seriously
I am allowed to find what you said offensive and I am allowed to call you out. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences nor is it a get out of jail free card to say anything you want
mangoinparis
Leaving aside that this is a fake tweet, if people go to jail for speech, then how is free speech protected? There were consequences in Stalin's USSR. Gulags, death. If this were actually true it should be disturbing to anyone who thinks free speech matters.
Ristari
Again, you can say what you want. Absolutely. I don't have to be nice to you about it. I don't have to agree. Fuck, I don't have to let you finish your sentence. I can call you every name in the book in response to what you say. I can refuse to do business or have contact with you based on what you say. Can you agree with that? Or are you of the mindset people should be forced to hear what everyone says no matter what and say nothing in return?
ChiLLeCheeze
There are consequences in Trump's America too. Seems like MAGA doesn't really care about speech unless it's their speech. This has always been the case in America. The claim of free speech is bogus.