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https://abcnews.go.com/International/israeli-forces-fire-tear-gas-inside-hospital-raid/story?id=100662618
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https://abcnews.go.com/International/israeli-forces-fire-tear-gas-inside-hospital-raid/story?id=100662618
azzurrivincitore13
Israeli is a terrorist state that is committing war crimes against innocent civilians. Full stop. They can’t play the victim card here. There is nothing anti-semetic about being anti-terrorism
SlightChungus
When the oppressed become the oppressor. I get that after WW2 it seemed like a good idea but we're they just trying to bring about the apocalypse based on Christian scriptures.
DecidedlyUglyFatFool
God's "chosen" people. Yep. Absolutely.
WoodHandle
Israel was so close to getting rid of Netanyahu, now this kind of shit will continue.
PolitiCat
They really try to become increasingly more like the oppressors in their past, like Nazi Germany. And no one speaks up due to being called antisemitic...
trippingthelightfantastic
Lyconous
Just like with the Chinese, the government and the people are two separate and distinct entities
trayal
#2 Classic narcissism...
unluckyandbored
Israel is not immune to legitimate criticism of its actions.
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
#2 exactly what israel is doing since day 1
SevereInsanity79
They are starting to look like Russia
Rebar77
Fucking cults.
ToSisPoS
My favourite line ever was ISF explaining why they didn’t go in to stop the Hebron Massacre shooter: “they were just following orders.”
ghornby
This has been happening for about 50 years or so
TrickyGoblin
Oh man... but I bet the Palestinians did something first like threw a rock or existed to long /s
IamAlbertPotato
Fuck Israel
blaghart
Israel is quantifiably a fascist state currently engaged in a genocide. There is literally no objective way to refute this conclusion.
Ironferrox
No objective way but crying but that’s antisemitism works really damn well
kitskinner19538
Just about as low as you can get!
beeratius
I recommend watching Al Jazeera's documentary Al-Nakba, and also Empire Files' video Gaza Fights For Freedom
gardenias
Israel is a terrorist state.
immunity
What do people expect, exactly? Anything remotely critical regarding the country is immediately labelled as anti-semetic, then promptly buried/banned/deleted. That's what kowtowing results in, and it'll only get worse as time goes on.
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Find like-minded, non-nazis. Talk with them, in public.
CatEyebrows
Fuck Isreal
Telleryn
I'm just surprised they didn't go in and shoot all the doctors or blow the hospital up, they have a habit of shooting medics and ambulances and blowing up public buildings
Lionskull
and reporters and news buildings.
tinyfootprints
The world (mostly meaning NATO and the EU) should offer no less support to Palestine than it offers to Ukraine.
zenoshogun
That will go down well, Palestine is cheering Russia on....
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Ha, comparing the Israeli government with Nazis would probably get you quartered here in Germany, yet it's so perfect.
Noraver
Is it wrong for me to say… Why is Israel treating people the way the nazis treated them? Like, it hasn’t even been 100 years yet and you’re playing the victim and also openly being racial terrorists. Fuck the Israeli government, they haven’t learned shit.
leperoutcastunclean
Because they have a free pass to do it.
IdiotSavantTinker
Maybe the US should stop sending them money.
jethroismaxbaer5772
https://youtu.be/p1mKSe7g0-A
KingXizor
The US should cut off all support for Isreal unless it gets the fuck of Palestinian land. If they are so terrified of all the nations around them they've made enemies of without the US standing behind them, maybe for once they'll actually straiten up.
maststick
They have the best hacking software. The US isn’t going to hurt them. Also a lot of people in the US consider themselves Jews and therefore support Israel automatically, Israel doesn’t consider most US Jews as Jewish and couldn’t give a single f**k about their opinions
alwaysupvoteprincessbride
*artificially propping up a monstrous regime so we can gain favor with god in the end times
fartharder
Great news, last time we stopped they started stealing it.
IdiotSavantTinker
Also, I guess if they just stole it, we need to give up and just let them do whatever, right?
Elroydb
When was this?
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Link?
fartharder
You're at the top, giving it a bump. I obviously don't mean cash. They have been off and on stealing corporate and national secrets, which they ¯\_(ツ)_/ and simply say everyone is doing it. They get a finger wag and more money.
quzar
But then how will our foreign policy bring about the Second Coming of Christ?
Ironferrox
I mean that’s part of the goal of a lot of end times evangelicals. The goal is usher in the 4 horsemen. They said we won’t know the time or place. God never said it was a set time and place and never said we can’t actively do what we can to accelerate the timetable. Christians are trying to usher in the rapture faster because well when Armageddon starts they think they will get thst nice free pass strait to heaven without dieing thing.
AxellTheDragon
You'd think that forcing the end times to take place faster would be the highest form of blasphemy since you're going against God's plans as he's the only one that knows when Armageddon will take place; not even Jesus knows when the end will be.
Deekermanns
Never fear, they've got the theological gymnastics for just that concern! You accelerating gods plan was actually his plan all along, but also you have free will and these two ideas in no way contradict.
Absent
But then they won't have a buddy they can commit war crimes with? So lonely... /s
sagejosh0
Don’t worry we have plenty of war crime buddies.
zackingsman
No /s needed bud
Travelcedric
I worked with a guy who was in the IDF, and his hate of Palestinians was very deep rooted. So many years of brainwashing to the point where they can't see that what they are doing is wrong.
ElRigs83
Buddy both sides are insane
kerrigan778
Yeah, I spent some time with some people in the IDF, only one of them was clearly right wing nationalist and anti-palestinian and he had some stories about watching people use human shields first hand. It's tragic in every direction.
Leithoa
One of those directions is attacking hospitals & denying medical equipment while conducting a decades long artillery strike.
SleventyEleventy
It's partly propaganda, but it's also trauma, while the Israelis are in no way innocent, and what they're doing is horrendous, the Palestinians are also killing civilians. It's easy to look at it from 10,000 feet and say they're in the wrong, but if your friends or family had been killed in a bus bombing or rocket attack, you'd probably be pretty against the people who did it.
Leithoa
Plenty of folks have had loved ones killed violently. Most of them don't commit war crimes to cope with it. Even fewer demonize an entire ethnicity because of it.
SleventyEleventy
As I said, I'm not trying to justify anyone's actions or say that what Israel is doing is ok. I'm trying to point out that we're not here just because of propaganda, but because these people have been killing each other for generations and that's a hard cycle to stop. Plenty of people have had loved ones killed, fewer have had them killed by the same group your great-grandparents fought. And when they do, you often see this kind of hate develop. See: the Balkans.
Leithoa
You keep talking as if this is some inevitability rather than a clear headed series of conscious decisions to commit genocide. Fuck your excuses.
SleventyEleventy
Okay, you're right, there's no such thing as 'historical context' or 'cycles of violence'. It's just a decision someone made one day. Were you born this stupid? Or did it take work? I'm not saying it's inevitable, if you'd read instead of being outraged that the past exists, you'd see that I'm saying IT'S NOT JUST PROPAGANDA, PEOPLE ARE HURT AND PEOPLE MAKE BAD DECISIONS WHEN THEY'RE HURT. If you don't want to understand, that's fine, but STFU about 'excuses', No one's making them here.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
But shouldn't you be against the government that is pushing those people so hard they feel they have no choice in order to keep fear high and themselves in power?
SleventyEleventy
Sure, but that's a higher level though, deep down you may recognize the forces that are pushing people to what they're doing, but the Israeli government didn't fire the missile that killed your friend, a Palestinian did. A lot of the problem with trauma is that it manifests in ways that are not really helpful, would it be more useful to protest the Israeli government to stop the encroachment on Palestine, yeah, but your trauma is telling you that the people who hurt you are the real bad guys.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
You can be mad at more then one group.
SleventyEleventy
Yes you can, but one of those events is going to be more visceral than the other.
fpro
fuck em and the US government for empowering them. remember the DNC where they ignored voters on the isreal topic
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
I don't remember. Link?
fpro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX11IUjkEKs even the 2016 DNC voters were ignored live on television.
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Holy shat. That's egregious.
Kitehammer
Established powers maintaining the status quo? Shocking!
fpro
personally I think the 2016 DNC where they went ahead with hillary over bernie was the worst example of this. it was very obvious hillary did not get the vote but they went with her over the person everyone there wanted anyway
Kitehammer
Hillary literally got more primary votes though, by over 3 million. Those votes aren't cast by the DNC.
Filanwizard
IT’s unfortunately political suicide to come out against Israel in the USA. Israel has done an excellent marketing and lobbying job hard linking their country to the Jewish faith. Meaning they can instantly go “this guy hates Jews” if they come out against the actions of the government of said country.
Silbonito
Furthermore with all of the original religious fanatics in America, it specifically talks about what will happen if we "forsake Israel". I'm religious but there is no way that Jesus would approve of what they are doing and if he does, then he's clearly not who we think he was
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
There's still time for you, brother.
Silbonito
I take Jesus as an example of morality. We factually know he existed, his divinity was always the question. I fully believe that he would welcome everyone that is discriminated against for existing to his table and chastise if not outright condemn those participating. I'm reluctant to say condemn because he believed in second chances regardless and trying to teach.
SanshinDojo
Remember it is possible to criticize the actions of the Israeli government without being antisemitic. This is fucked up.
moonpiehigh
It’s also possible to call theses supposed “kids” of 16+ yr olds with machine guns and a sworn oath to Hamas for the destruction of a sovereign nation “terrorists”. Cuts both ways. Or at least it should. Unless….ahem.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
The only people that would call you antisemitic for calling out war crimes either are pro-warcrime or antisemitic themselves. Why do you think Conservatives spent so long trying to dull down the "Nazi" accusation in the United States? So they can do it openly and nobody bats an eye when the accusation is thrown.
GerhardTheFistWeasel
pan069
This is the narrative that Israel has been weaving the past decades.
SenfinaZeit
Honestly forget that Isreal is Jewish usually. Didn't think about it till you said something.
leperoutcastunclean
That's just what a Nazi would say!
SeeShark
It's still possible. I do it all the time. This idea that you can't criticize Israel without being called antisemitic is absolute horseshit. What IS true is that a lot of people who aren't familiar with the history of antisemitism can't tell the difference between criticisms of Israel that are and aren't antisemitic so they end up repeating the wrong ones.
RandyRandalman
That being said, I despise religion.
SanshinDojo
As do I. I know many atheist Jews.
RandyRandalman
Um wut
SanshinDojo
Judaism is a religion, but being Jewish can refer to a culture or an ethnicity as well. Sephardic Jew or Ashkenazic Jew both show up in “23 and me” tests. Obviously, your DNA doesn’t know what religion you are.
CommodusLeitdorf
It's not anti-semitic to question the actions of a Sovereign Nation State
Mairoa
Boy howdy even in the US, even if it's prefaced with "this is specifically about the government of the state of Israel and not about the Jewish people" people think you're a Nazi when you suggest that their treatment of the people of Palestine is fucked up, and that the very wrong thing that was the Holocaust doesn't just give the state of Israel a free pass to commit genocide against anyone, least of all totally unrelated people.
Fastjack2056
I mean, it's not *necessarily* anti-Semetic to question Israel, but there are sure some people who find a way
Elektrixer
As a German, it is extremely difficult to say anything against Israel without being called a Nazi right away
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Antisemites are using legitimate criticism of Israel to mask their hate, and Israel dismisses legitimate criticism as antisemitism. That's what makes debates on the matter so complicated.
TheGrubinator
Ironically, in the US it's the far Right that pushes the whole "anti-Israeli government genicide of Palastinians = antisemitic".
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Yeah, Great Grandpa kinda fucked you guys on being taken seriously, in that regard.
sfrinlan
Yeah, I can believe that. Even if you're super careful in your arguments.
DSREX
Difference is that Germany owns who they were. And takes measures to make sure that you dont become that again. Others, US included, are not teaching those lessons. What pisses me off is that the Israelis are becoming the very thing they all were running from. Now we have generations on both sides who have known nothing but hate and conflict. I have no doubt that neither side can or will stop until the other is dead. And a lot of innocents will die for that vanity.
HavelTh3Rock
Coincidentally, we're doing much the same in America.
DSREX
Well maybe if you are older, but many places are removing it as disputed history. So the youth are not being taught in school why fascism is wrong. They are finding out when the GOP creates laws that make it illegal for them to be a person.
Blackadam7
If you think about it, and used another country in place of Israel, it would be condemned. How would everyone act if China did this? It can and should be condemned.
SomeDetroitGuy
If you don't think other countries do this shit all the time, you need to open up your eyes and look around.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
China does do shit like this...
kerrigan778
China has been doing shit like this constantly, on a much larger scale for at least the last 73 years
pareidoliaperson
They'd bash it to hell. Mockery, meme'ing, cursing etc. I hate this whole idea of "precaution" by ops comment that he had to mention. When I see someone covering muslims when people were full on hating them after a terrorist attack, they'd call him a coward who thinks of himself first and not the victims. The hypocrisy is palpable. And wtf is this shit being state's fault and not the Jews fault?? Their gov is literally right-wing conservative religious zealots! And their action to take the 1/2
pareidoliaperson
land from Palestinians is literally based on their religion! They so often say fuck islam, fuck christendom, but WOULD NOT dare to say fuck judaism?? How's judaism which is just as fucked as any of the other religion. Nah man. Fuck them all, especially the ones that use religion to justify crimes against humanity on other groups. I've been deleted and banned before saying anything closely critiquing about Jews. But fuck them for what they do to Palestinians! 2/2
Elroydb
pareidoliaperson
Hahahah K. As expected. When they run out of rational arguments the call you nazi I guess. I'm not even white for that matter (doesn't but just saying).