Feb 12, 2020 10:53 AM
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Ogri
Who does the driving and what was on board? - Nobody does it. Butter.
g00kb0i
Carrying a serious load too, America's gold.
Jordinatinglybeautiful
I don’t think we need to train any new truck drivers!
DaisyfromDownunder
I can't believe it's not butter driver.
Beardedgeek72
I will never get how people think automation is a threat.
TacoFox
Yeah, welcome to the club...
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
I wonder how often the truck had to fuel up, and where. Also, I thought there were laws in place where you had to have a human in the seat >
> to take over should something go fucky with the AI/hardware.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
There probably was one they just didn't mention it in the headline.
Watchadave
It took the wrong churning.
JosephSelah
Bye jobs
ludidoo
The most important question is: does it kill prostitutes? If not, why are we doing this?
baron5898
“Change gear, change gear, check your mirrors, murder a prostitute. Change gear, change gear, murder, mirrors. That’s a lot of effort”
WhatRaySay
Ubi and corporate taxation is how we solve the incoming crisis in our economy, while keeping the positive tenets of capitalism
Skawomplious
What's Ubi?
Sorry about that - it's "Universal Basic Income". I'd try to go into it here, but it's more worthy of a Google (check out Andrew Yang)
AtsaMattaForMe
v
OHGODBEEEES
RodgerRodger
kingkongkeom
https://youtu.be/Of66BJ-0hZk
proracing53
Rovylern
CareAma
Can it deliver weed
pinatafarmer
Time to join the Reeks or Wrecks
Jafz0
Norwegians are ecstatic.
gadabyte
there is no reason butter should be making a cross country trip. buy local.
tonchandailvert
yes! I agress! I cannot believe there are no cows in Pennsylvania!
skelitor120
"I agress"
nero4ty2
butter is a commodity that is made in a relatively few locations in enough volume to supply the country, and local is more expensive
tarquinious
K47A
Maybe this truck won`t leave the turn signals on after they change the lane.
longshorttermmemorynetwork
Was this Tesla's?
DrKonrad
No trip is butter than this one, I'm a freight
Respectablecrazy
Gotta check where my bread truck drivers are. "Candycane!?"
prodmerc
This stuff is going to hit everyone... like a truck
Miller16of16
Best comment of the thread!
ButtchugSomeGatorade
Too soon ?
DevilsArsehole
Eventually we'll pay a subscription for a self driving electric car to pick us up. Car ownership will dwindle.
evilcarp
Not if you are unemployed because the AI took your job.
raveracer77
not for the driving enthusiasts. Some of us will always have their own cars as a hobby
Sunmonster
Which wouldn't be bad if we have a UBI to keep people out of poverty and laws to keep the prices low
I say NO THANKS to urinary bract infections!!
She looks fun! ?
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
You wouldn't need laws to keep the prices low. Costs would drop. Only way prices would stay up is if you had laws to protect them
Better to be safe than sorry.
Hendlton
Why exactly would costs drop? The price of goods and services will stay exactly the same while the CEOs take bigger salaries.
Because labor is expensive and automation allows more to be produced with the same labor. Prices will then drop as competing firms 1/2
lower prices to try to leverage this lower cost to increase their market share. See; every agricultural and industrial revolution. 2/2
morelikeconsham
That is completely unsupported by empirical data or economic theory.
see: every agricultural and industrial revolution.
See: literally every late stage capitalist society including modern US
SaltyInternetPirate
The job of "trucker" will be eliminated within 20-25 years in industrialized nations.
ThePotatoBandit
I think the role will change to an onboard technician fix breakdowns, inclimate weather, fill the gas tank, and any unpredictable problems.
long haul trucking will be greatly diminished, but not entirley eliminated, and local deliveries will be around a lot longer
10 years, max. If they keep getting flawless results, companies will jump on board in no time.
large companies may, there will be more on the road, but there are a lot of complexities that still need human interaction
Nah, various legal and lobby battles will delay it, as will new regulations on driverless vehicles.
turmosoritilaatio
AFAIK a test group already hacked automated trucks, project 2d object-> truck stops->easy robbery. Shit like that will prolly delay it more.
igniteice
"daunting 41-hour trip" doesn't mean the same thing to AI as it does to human. It's only daunting to us, to AI it's meaningless.
Juggerbaff
Why are you so insensitive ? Soon they're gonna implement a daunted, bored out back pain module to make it more reallistic. THIS is future !
Freightshaker
It doesn't mean the same thing to truckers either. That's not even a full week.
“This trip is meaningless to me” - AI probably
genericallyspecific
Read it in robot voice
Daunting for the programmers who know everything that can go wrong in 41 hours. Of course it's not daunting for AI.
igivetheinternets
If you felt how jerky Tesla autopilot is you might reconsider
What does that have to do with anything? Being jerky is nothing more than uncomfortable for the passengers. The butter doesnt care.
MisterOates
I agree. Here in Raleigh I sometimes see trucks on a road they shouldn't be on but have no idea if they need to be on that road (1)
For some store they are stocking but can't imagine an AI truck having to navigate smaller roads without hitting someone especially if (2)
Some person passed the white line they are suppose to stop behind so truck drivers have to account for that error as well. (3)
SatoriEnlightenment
How do they get gas???
There's usually quite a few escort vehicles
Frenchgeek
Like everyone else: They're programmers, not aliens.
I'm sure there is a driver monitoring the vehicle like some other commenter said.
Could they just put tanks large enough for the trip on it? At what point would the weight of the gas affect efficiency too much?
Chloesaurus
There will likely always be a human on board in case of a malfunction. Possibly two person teams so there can be one up at all times.
kingbudo101
At the beginning* not always. Eventually it will lead to someone watching over a half a dozen rigs at once remotely, ready to take control
the number they watch over will steadily increase as the programming gets better and accident rates decrease
Neywiny
Considering software leaks and other ways programs fail over time, 41 hours doing an intensive task is pretty impressive even for a computer
IHaveABridgeToSell
That’s why they schedule hourly shutdowns for Google, live tv broadcasting and console games. Software just isn’t meant to run continuously.
So how did the truck do it? Cycling through redundant systems?
Sorry, forgot the sarcasm indicator. Quite a lot of software run constantly. However, I do suspect there was a lot of redundancy.
A lab on my campus switch to cpp from python because over time it would crash. It's a real issue for data acquisition
Mrgetdown
Aye the bus yang was talking about. Sucks to see him drop out.
JoSTL15
Who? Out of what?
MCEscherWasADouchebag
Presidential candidate in the US
Oh, thanks.
TapToRetry
I know right. The only guy pushing our thinking ahead inspite of the politics
I'm happy someone was out there getting traction on UBI as a topic but the way he wanted to do the "Freedom Dividend" was regressive 1
because you had to choose between it and any federal benefits you may already be receiving. So a poor person loses their food stamps or 2
whatever but gets $1,000/month but a middle class or wealthy person just gets the 1,000 bucks. 3/3
BoooBerry
Not really. He wanted to take everyone's money then give it back to them and call it a basic income. LOL! Silly shit.
LOL at conservatives trying to call "socialism" on something that clearly isn't socialism.
Hydravelsen
It is socialism but it will eventually be needed. There just wont be enough jobs for low skill people.
papalongshlong
That’s arguably just social security, which dropped senior poverty rates from 50% to 10% so clearly there’s something there like it or not
Saustino
Um no he wanted to tax tech companies for stealing our information and selling it without our permission and give the money they’re making
Off us, to us.
I'm a hardcore capitalist and business owner, and UBI is NOT a bad idea.
Democrats dont want him because his warnings about the automated future run in opposition to their need for more immigrant voters.
Best candidate for 2020. Period. And predictably they got rid of him. Excessive competence is not allowed.
Why do you assume warning about automation would alienate immigrants? They're most likely to be affected by it & he's trying 2 help them no?
Democrats just want numbers regardless of the economy's ability to support them and the future will not have as many jobs for unskilled
I am running under the assumption that UBI would only be available to American citizens, mind you. Reality maybe diffetent.
Well sure, both parties want as many voters as possible. I'm asking for evidence that talking about automation leads to fewer voters.
Is it just me or Yang was not featured in the online media much? I read and heard more about Sanders, Trump and even Warren -_-
ComcastLover
-_-
IronyEnoughForTheIronClub
He was arguably over-covered relative to his polling numbers.
MuffinProof
Uh, I thought this was about RWBY
inkhonclusive
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CityYeti
I heard good things about the guy, but he didn't seem like he did well with the debates, like his voice wasn't loud enough
I feel like he had good ideas, but most left leaning anti-establishment voters ended up going for Bernie. I feel like if he pops up 1/2
2/2 again in 2024 or 2028, he’ll have a huge impact as a “no BS reformer” candidate when Bernie isn’t running
Youhavinagiraffe
He was side-lined a bit in debates. The moderators main aim seems to be to whip up fights and he never attacked or got attacked by others.
It's a shame really. I wouldn't have voted for him as nominee but he had a lot of good things to say anyway.
DavidCowie
Yeah that $1000 a month for my vote would have been nice.
Leodivinci
He wasnt really good at it. The media has been keeping the non traditional dems out, but Yang wasnt doing enough to even keep relevant.
HyenDry
Not sure, seeing as how I followed him I only ever got ads and shit for him, I knew he wouldn’t win but he had my support anyway
wadeissupercool
Usually when I saw him it was someone tearing him down.
WorthEveryPenny
It's a wide field and he never polled that high. He got some debates and online presence was good. He brought ubi to the mainstage. Good.
wadatahmydamie
This. The “media blackout” was because outside of his rabid fanbase, he was kind of a milquetoast candidate. I liked him though.
GirthBrookss
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone use milquetoast in the wild before
failedtodelete
Yang seems to understand the problems extremely well. I don't believe in his solution, given that UBI to me feels like a kind of
replacement for trickle down, in that we don't really have to care about where the money goes, as long as taxes get paid
MusterTheRohirrim
"and even Warren"... Well yeah, she consistently polled higher and is a well-known senator, what's your point?
mardukkur
And even then Warren got far less coverage than, say, Biden, despite beating him in both states so far.
HellzJanitor
Biden was the top polling candidate. I don't see your point. The news will cover what will get them more people watching. If that 1/2
2/2 doesn't include you, watch/listen a different news source.
"online media"? Yang was oversaturated, depending on what you mean by "media". I saw him on every youtube ad, sidebar ad, etc.
TheGlow
I dont use social media or watch tv, adblock YouTube so I only heard his name 2 or 3 times. And I know nothing of his positions.
I mean, you can't argue that he was under-represented in the media if you block out most forms of media.. lol
Bernie or bust is all I see.
PussyMonster
I was about to say the same. The only media refusing to air him was CNN and MSNBC. And whenever they did, it was always the wrong name
I think a lot of Democratic candidates, from the onset, were being snubbed, almost like they all wanted to just meddle with whatever--
Like John yang with a picture of a totally different dude. Plus whenever they aired a poll, the outlets would show everyone except for yang.
-- reputation they could. False news about certain people, misrepresenting polls. Now that we're ramping up to the election, shit is serious
TerryCrews
I dont think he ever really had a chance. He is affluent, had good talking points, but we're not ready for UBI yet. That and a gen-xer has 1
Never been president. Cant break a streak while the boomers are still around.
EchoWhiskyBravo
Obama was Gen X.
NeedMoreMullins
No, he wasn't.
Born 1961. Dude was Gen-X. 1960-1980.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Close, but born in 61. Gen X starts in 64. He is a young Boomer.
By the time enough Boomers are gone so that a Gen X has a chance, there will be enough Millenials to vote a Millenial in. Gen X will /1
largely be skipped, most likely. /2
PrisonMichaelScott
Who's the person for us then?
KingMagenta
Millienials are already old enough to be elected president. It’s hilarious.
I know, but like half of them don't vote so they're not gonna get one in while the Boomers are voting.
Counterfit
Yup. I turned 35 yesterday
IAmACyberneticOrganismLivingTissueOverEndoskeleton
This will end up like in Death Stranding, people wont be able to deal with everything being automated and many wil develop mental illnesses.
69BeerGuy
Or idiocracy
laacis2
Developers around the world develop software updates and mental illnesses.
iDrinkDrano
Wanna make an app?
jesseldow12
Everything being automated sounds like a dream. I'd rather enjoy life instead of trying to compete in the rat race. :)
Kymlaar
That's a false narrative idea fed to us in order to keep us working. Money is not a natural reward, and a factory is not natural work.
huntderp178225
That sounds more like wal-e
Zigor22
Everyone will be mentally and physically handicapped like in The Machine Stops and Wall-E
charonthehand
The Machine Stops is a scarily good model of our current society. Amazing how long ago it was written.
We had read it in Brit Lit class. That, Dante’s Inferno, and The Mask of The Red Death were my favs.
instanoodles
Maybe instead of working for others we will learn to take care of each other when there is less need for work.
swatz
That is part of the discussion for UBI (universal basic income). Many people need to feel accomplishment or useful. Some can find hobbies &<
>kind of self fill this need, but some breakdown after a while. Not counting people that can't relax. My mom seemed to be more functional<
>while stressed. On vacations she seemed to worry because she couldn't' turn off, so to speak.
8hourgamer
automated trucks cant fight off road pirates... just saying
sepherath55
So we are going to slow dismantle these automatons chasing the thrill of the delivery
Threadnomancer
I'm down, shockey sticks look fun
m00nWatcher
Hey buddy, it seems like a lot of people are already developing many mental illnesses.. :(
idontenglishsorry
Thats also what the govt in brave new world tries to avoid, in that society a lot of things could be done automatically but their society1/2
Depends on people not having that much free time otherwise they could become ill so they just make people work and don’t use the technology
iceynyo
Yeah but he means they'll have more free time to devote to developing those illnesses.
My job as an Audio technician sucks because I work at a smaller company. This is happening to me now so I'm looking to join the (1)
Army so hopefully if I make it, I can get a sign up bonus and pay of my debt I have now and start with a clean slate at 30 years old. (2)
It sucks but I think I need more structure in my life as I do much better following orders to complete a task. Hopefully it works (3)
Was about to say, death stranding isnt that far off. Many of us already have oxytocin deficiencies that they talk about
Greevar
Automation only benefits those who own the automation. The working class needs to own it or we will be cast into destitution.
Khornight
really? no benefit for the working class of dish washers, vacuums, cars or the thinks they buy that are cheaper because of automation?
Automation makes human labor less relevant. The people who control the automation will no longer need us. They will toss us out like trash.
I mean i'm a left wing, free education, and health care, big corporations are bad socialist... but you are mental.
ENCHANTMEN
We'll find new things to do. Even if robots take over literally every job, even stuff like writing and psycology, we can still find hobbies.
CrashInfinite
after a brutal period of mass-unemployment and poverty, because why pay for poor people to live when the rich can just have robots?
If an AI decided to act as caretaker for humanity and just baby them, (like in WALL-E) it's gonna pay attention to mental health too.
Here are you
Xyzair
that would be the fastest route
TheAlviss
Creating art, innovations, and improving sciences will be our purpose. Star Trek utopia isn't a pipedream if we work hard enough.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
As long as the greedy superwealthy control the world, it is.
flashmaven
Hobbies are great and all, but how will we afford to live if we don’t have jobs? Something to consider...
[deleted]
Remember: the average IQ of Americans is 100. There are a significant number under that, who will never be retrained to program.
LollipopLich
Star Trek-style, economy doesn't fun off money anymore.
That's literally the platform Yang was running on and responding to?
VidiVeniThenSheLeft
Socialism is the end game of capitalism.
UBI is what you're looking for, there's a lot of discussions about it since the idea that many lower end jobs will disappear quickly .
UnoriginalPoster2000
Ubi
SirShmoopyofAwesomtown
I dont get it. There are a lot of people praising potential automation of peoples jobs.
goldensky
Leisure economy.
It's a good thing. We just need to take care of our people because it's going to hurt us if we dont.
Historically, automation has been a really good thing for humanity by and large. It's put people out of work but we've been able to adapt 1
and find different work for those people. We are likely about to see an unprecedented wave of it, though. It's not a given that the 2
outcome will be good or bad. BUT it is entirely possible to make it a good thing, we just need to find a way to avoid starvation. 3/3
philoseraptor
I think the ideal is for no human to *have* to work to survive anymore, letting us pursue more meaningful things with our time and energy
It's gonna hit everyone... like a truck
Eiladar
The hope is that by cutting overhead prices will drop. People seem to forget every other time that production costs drop, retail prices fail
to follow suit (Gas prices, pretty much everything else); it just means higher profits for the companies involved.
"Nice, this thing is now half of what it was last year!" followed by "Oh, right, I don't have a job" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
iamthecanadian
Automation isn’t inherently bad. Along with it comes higher skilled, higher paying jobs.
Which, at least atm, seems like it means more unemployment and less educated/skilled jobs, at least in America.
If we can replace all retail, food and transportation jobs with robots, I can't imagine how much of our population would be out of a job.
Selerox
No, it doesn't. Along with it comes 60% of the workforce who are suddenly unemployable.
Radix865
But you generally need only a fraction of people for those, compared to low income ones that will be replaced. ->
-> Not to mention that advanced AI could replace even those specialized, high paying jobs.
Fewer, that is the important distinction "fewer". If it made for more jobs it wouldn't be progress. Global productivity has already crushed>
demand - we are entering post industrial economy - most of us won't be needed anymore than we were at the onset of industrial revolution >
when most folks were subsistence farmers/cottage industry largely self sufficient. Except now there are no commons or open space capable >
of supporting so many people in that manner without massive land redistribution. To say nothing of tax reform - can't subsist if U have to >
Hairyoldfart
Not sure i want a 40 ton vehicle driving down the road without a driver.
smmfh
40 ton?
80,000 LBS, max weight of the average truck&trailer.
Paythetolltogetintotheboyssoul
If it makes delivery faster I support it.
Yeah, well, you're not getting a choice :/
G4rr0
AI doesn't get tired, sick and doesn't drive beyond its abilities for the road conditions, it scans the road in every direction constantly
Never seen an AI do meth for 5 days strait.
I'm almost certain there had to be a human in the cab as a backup. They just didn't mention it in the headline.
Sounds likely, if they make a self driving tesla have someone with at least one hand on the wheel then a 40 ton truck is probably the same
delecti
Long haul highway driving is by far the best place to start though.
PleaseLeave
Too bad its not your decision, it already made the trip
I just love smart asses like you, you know there were 2 people in the truck to make sure it didn't fuck up.
Mithi
First cars only drove walking pace and had a runner up front to warn pedestrians and horse carriages. Your point being? Obviously the [1]
system is tested with a safety net. But in a few years the training wheels will come off permanently. [2]
KinetoPlay
Because this was a test. It would be recklessly stupid to test something without a backup plan.
MarkOfTheCovenant
He not wrong though. The movement is happening wether you like it or not. Yeah they were there, but soon they won't be.
Yea, the way that they are planning to take care of this is having remote control drivers. Like 1 guy in a cubicle responsible for 5 (1/2)
trucks, looking to take over if a problem arises. It's still going to be monitored and have a fail safe, they just wont be in the truck.
Exyr
You trust a human more?
amop
Do you know who’s been driving them all this time?
Yes.
As someone who works in software, yes currently
EricPisch
Than current self driving software? 100% I do
But current software will never get better w/o real world trials & it has the potential to be astronomically better than humans eventually.
CactusFantastic0
You talk about percentage margins for error across average drivers and if computers replaced all human drivers, accidents would go WAY down
Problem is current self driving software can only deal with simple things like highways and very simple road designs
TalostheGreat
Surely you don't drive everyday, I trust a bugged software more than most people...
Being as i drove those things for a long time, yes yes i do.
You may be a good driver, but many aren't. As long as the robots are better than they are I'm all for being replaced as a driver.
DropThatShieldAndPraiseTheSun
Is it legal to drive humans?
AVaultDwellerNamedNONE
Yes, but only up the goddamn wall
justyourfriendlyneighborhoodimgurian
In the trucking industry, yes. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the drivers out of the seats, cause it's not really a job that (1/2)
anyone should have to do. (2/2)
tReasonoustRump
I drove one last night
Johnsky
How many humans can you fit in these anyways?
PunPoliceNAdivision1
At least 5 humans
Only way i could see this being safely used is if a real person picked the load up, scaled it, distributed the weight properly, then (1/2)
drove it to a "yard" that was connected to a freeway on/off ramp and the truck drove itself to a corresponding yard near the delivery (2/?)
location and a real person took over from there. They'd have to relocate fuel stations to the yards too so someone could fuel the truck.
Plus with the way companies maintain the trucks, man so much chance for equipment failure to be a problem.
idonthaveanaccount
That sounds like a railroad with extra steps
But cheaper because the road maintenance is subsidized by the rest of us, whereas if they use rail they have to pay their full share of /1
CheapBeerAndBadDecisions
extra steps, more fuel usage and higher maintenance needs. Yep sounds like something to get behind
Yea they actually use something similar to what i am talking about in New York to run double 53 ft trailers down the the turnpike.
Cornflakes91
because automatic vehicles couldnt possibly handle streets other than "drive straight for 20 hours"? /s
Yea, you've never driven them before, you wouldn't know. With the way people in cars drive around trucks. Not to mention streets that(1/?)
It would make more sense for the start/end driver to just be on the truck already. They get to rest while the truck does the boring part.
Yea that's how they want to start it out.
That way they'll be at their best for the actual challenging parts.
purgethefilthyheretics
In the end it will put a lot of people out of their jobs as well.
Idk I'd say theyd be trained into an copilot/ on board mechanic role.
JCBalance
And open up a lot of service technician and other miscellaneous jobs. We shouldn't slow progress to keep outdated jobs
Agreed. But at some point with populations growing and automation speeding up we'll hit a point where we'll have WAY more people than jobs.
may put some out of a job, but a human will be needed for a lot of driver responsibilities, may just be less skilled
In this instance, over all i say it's a good thing. I could go on and on about why. Drivers would have a better life doing other things
It’s literally the best paying job anyone could get without a college degree. Don’t expect them to be happy over getting laid off.
I'll have to write up an article about this soon, trucking companies lie and beef up the numbers, what they do is very misleading.
Ayoitsyeaboihmikey
Huh? My dads been driving for 30 years and loves his job, makes good money, goes on vacations whenever he wants. Hes got a pretty good life
There are some drivers that have this turn out, you will find that this is the exception and not the rule. These are the drivers that(1/?)
were built for the lifestyle, as trucking is a lifestyle not a job. Most can't handle it, i personally got tired of it after 2 mill miles.
This industry has one a 94% turnover rate. As in 94% of their drivers quit to go to another company or quit completely. (1/2)
Your dad is that other 6% (2/2)
Ogri
Who does the driving and what was on board? - Nobody does it. Butter.
g00kb0i
Carrying a serious load too, America's gold.
Jordinatinglybeautiful
I don’t think we need to train any new truck drivers!
DaisyfromDownunder
I can't believe it's not butter driver.
Beardedgeek72
I will never get how people think automation is a threat.
TacoFox
Yeah, welcome to the club...
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
I wonder how often the truck had to fuel up, and where. Also, I thought there were laws in place where you had to have a human in the seat >
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
> to take over should something go fucky with the AI/hardware.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
There probably was one they just didn't mention it in the headline.
Watchadave
It took the wrong churning.
JosephSelah
Bye jobs
ludidoo
The most important question is: does it kill prostitutes? If not, why are we doing this?
baron5898
“Change gear, change gear, check your mirrors, murder a prostitute. Change gear, change gear, murder, mirrors. That’s a lot of effort”
WhatRaySay
Ubi and corporate taxation is how we solve the incoming crisis in our economy, while keeping the positive tenets of capitalism
Skawomplious
What's Ubi?
WhatRaySay
Sorry about that - it's "Universal Basic Income". I'd try to go into it here, but it's more worthy of a Google (check out Andrew Yang)
AtsaMattaForMe
OHGODBEEEES
RodgerRodger
kingkongkeom
https://youtu.be/Of66BJ-0hZk
proracing53
Rovylern
CareAma
Can it deliver weed
pinatafarmer
Time to join the Reeks or Wrecks
Jafz0
Norwegians are ecstatic.
gadabyte
there is no reason butter should be making a cross country trip. buy local.
tonchandailvert
yes! I agress! I cannot believe there are no cows in Pennsylvania!
skelitor120
"I agress"
nero4ty2
butter is a commodity that is made in a relatively few locations in enough volume to supply the country, and local is more expensive
tarquinious
K47A
Maybe this truck won`t leave the turn signals on after they change the lane.
longshorttermmemorynetwork
Was this Tesla's?
DrKonrad
No trip is butter than this one, I'm a freight
Respectablecrazy
Gotta check where my bread truck drivers are. "Candycane!?"
prodmerc
This stuff is going to hit everyone... like a truck
Miller16of16
Best comment of the thread!
ButtchugSomeGatorade
Too soon ?
DevilsArsehole
Eventually we'll pay a subscription for a self driving electric car to pick us up. Car ownership will dwindle.
evilcarp
Not if you are unemployed because the AI took your job.
raveracer77
not for the driving enthusiasts. Some of us will always have their own cars as a hobby
Sunmonster
Which wouldn't be bad if we have a UBI to keep people out of poverty and laws to keep the prices low
ButtchugSomeGatorade
I say NO THANKS to urinary bract infections!!
Sunmonster
ButtchugSomeGatorade
She looks fun! ?
Sunmonster
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
You wouldn't need laws to keep the prices low. Costs would drop. Only way prices would stay up is if you had laws to protect them
Sunmonster
Better to be safe than sorry.
Hendlton
Why exactly would costs drop? The price of goods and services will stay exactly the same while the CEOs take bigger salaries.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Because labor is expensive and automation allows more to be produced with the same labor. Prices will then drop as competing firms 1/2
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
lower prices to try to leverage this lower cost to increase their market share. See; every agricultural and industrial revolution. 2/2
morelikeconsham
That is completely unsupported by empirical data or economic theory.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
see: every agricultural and industrial revolution.
morelikeconsham
See: literally every late stage capitalist society including modern US
SaltyInternetPirate
The job of "trucker" will be eliminated within 20-25 years in industrialized nations.
ThePotatoBandit
I think the role will change to an onboard technician fix breakdowns, inclimate weather, fill the gas tank, and any unpredictable problems.
nero4ty2
long haul trucking will be greatly diminished, but not entirley eliminated, and local deliveries will be around a lot longer
Hendlton
10 years, max. If they keep getting flawless results, companies will jump on board in no time.
nero4ty2
large companies may, there will be more on the road, but there are a lot of complexities that still need human interaction
SaltyInternetPirate
Nah, various legal and lobby battles will delay it, as will new regulations on driverless vehicles.
turmosoritilaatio
AFAIK a test group already hacked automated trucks, project 2d object-> truck stops->easy robbery. Shit like that will prolly delay it more.
igniteice
"daunting 41-hour trip" doesn't mean the same thing to AI as it does to human. It's only daunting to us, to AI it's meaningless.
Juggerbaff
Why are you so insensitive ? Soon they're gonna implement a daunted, bored out back pain module to make it more reallistic. THIS is future !
Freightshaker
It doesn't mean the same thing to truckers either. That's not even a full week.
ButtchugSomeGatorade
“This trip is meaningless to me” - AI probably
genericallyspecific
Read it in robot voice
morelikeconsham
Daunting for the programmers who know everything that can go wrong in 41 hours. Of course it's not daunting for AI.
igivetheinternets
If you felt how jerky Tesla autopilot is you might reconsider
morelikeconsham
What does that have to do with anything? Being jerky is nothing more than uncomfortable for the passengers. The butter doesnt care.
MisterOates
I agree. Here in Raleigh I sometimes see trucks on a road they shouldn't be on but have no idea if they need to be on that road (1)
MisterOates
For some store they are stocking but can't imagine an AI truck having to navigate smaller roads without hitting someone especially if (2)
MisterOates
Some person passed the white line they are suppose to stop behind so truck drivers have to account for that error as well. (3)
SatoriEnlightenment
How do they get gas???
Freightshaker
There's usually quite a few escort vehicles
Frenchgeek
Like everyone else: They're programmers, not aliens.
MisterOates
I'm sure there is a driver monitoring the vehicle like some other commenter said.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Could they just put tanks large enough for the trip on it? At what point would the weight of the gas affect efficiency too much?
Chloesaurus
There will likely always be a human on board in case of a malfunction. Possibly two person teams so there can be one up at all times.
kingbudo101
At the beginning* not always. Eventually it will lead to someone watching over a half a dozen rigs at once remotely, ready to take control
kingbudo101
the number they watch over will steadily increase as the programming gets better and accident rates decrease
Neywiny
Considering software leaks and other ways programs fail over time, 41 hours doing an intensive task is pretty impressive even for a computer
IHaveABridgeToSell
That’s why they schedule hourly shutdowns for Google, live tv broadcasting and console games. Software just isn’t meant to run continuously.
Neywiny
So how did the truck do it? Cycling through redundant systems?
IHaveABridgeToSell
Sorry, forgot the sarcasm indicator. Quite a lot of software run constantly. However, I do suspect there was a lot of redundancy.
Neywiny
A lab on my campus switch to cpp from python because over time it would crash. It's a real issue for data acquisition
Mrgetdown
Aye the bus yang was talking about. Sucks to see him drop out.
JoSTL15
Who? Out of what?
MCEscherWasADouchebag
Presidential candidate in the US
JoSTL15
Oh, thanks.
TapToRetry
I know right. The only guy pushing our thinking ahead inspite of the politics
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
I'm happy someone was out there getting traction on UBI as a topic but the way he wanted to do the "Freedom Dividend" was regressive 1
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
because you had to choose between it and any federal benefits you may already be receiving. So a poor person loses their food stamps or 2
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
whatever but gets $1,000/month but a middle class or wealthy person just gets the 1,000 bucks. 3/3
BoooBerry
Not really. He wanted to take everyone's money then give it back to them and call it a basic income. LOL! Silly shit.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
LOL at conservatives trying to call "socialism" on something that clearly isn't socialism.
Hydravelsen
It is socialism but it will eventually be needed. There just wont be enough jobs for low skill people.
papalongshlong
That’s arguably just social security, which dropped senior poverty rates from 50% to 10% so clearly there’s something there like it or not
Saustino
Um no he wanted to tax tech companies for stealing our information and selling it without our permission and give the money they’re making
Saustino
Off us, to us.
Hydravelsen
I'm a hardcore capitalist and business owner, and UBI is NOT a bad idea.
Hydravelsen
Democrats dont want him because his warnings about the automated future run in opposition to their need for more immigrant voters.
Hydravelsen
Best candidate for 2020. Period. And predictably they got rid of him. Excessive competence is not allowed.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Why do you assume warning about automation would alienate immigrants? They're most likely to be affected by it & he's trying 2 help them no?
Hydravelsen
Democrats just want numbers regardless of the economy's ability to support them and the future will not have as many jobs for unskilled
Hydravelsen
I am running under the assumption that UBI would only be available to American citizens, mind you. Reality maybe diffetent.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Well sure, both parties want as many voters as possible. I'm asking for evidence that talking about automation leads to fewer voters.
prodmerc
Is it just me or Yang was not featured in the online media much? I read and heard more about Sanders, Trump and even Warren -_-
ComcastLover
-_-
IronyEnoughForTheIronClub
He was arguably over-covered relative to his polling numbers.
MuffinProof
Uh, I thought this was about RWBY
inkhonclusive
:]
CityYeti
I heard good things about the guy, but he didn't seem like he did well with the debates, like his voice wasn't loud enough
papalongshlong
I feel like he had good ideas, but most left leaning anti-establishment voters ended up going for Bernie. I feel like if he pops up 1/2
papalongshlong
2/2 again in 2024 or 2028, he’ll have a huge impact as a “no BS reformer” candidate when Bernie isn’t running
Youhavinagiraffe
He was side-lined a bit in debates. The moderators main aim seems to be to whip up fights and he never attacked or got attacked by others.
Youhavinagiraffe
It's a shame really. I wouldn't have voted for him as nominee but he had a lot of good things to say anyway.
DavidCowie
Yeah that $1000 a month for my vote would have been nice.
Leodivinci
He wasnt really good at it. The media has been keeping the non traditional dems out, but Yang wasnt doing enough to even keep relevant.
HyenDry
Not sure, seeing as how I followed him I only ever got ads and shit for him, I knew he wouldn’t win but he had my support anyway
wadeissupercool
Usually when I saw him it was someone tearing him down.
WorthEveryPenny
It's a wide field and he never polled that high. He got some debates and online presence was good. He brought ubi to the mainstage. Good.
wadatahmydamie
This. The “media blackout” was because outside of his rabid fanbase, he was kind of a milquetoast candidate. I liked him though.
GirthBrookss
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone use milquetoast in the wild before
failedtodelete
Yang seems to understand the problems extremely well. I don't believe in his solution, given that UBI to me feels like a kind of
failedtodelete
replacement for trickle down, in that we don't really have to care about where the money goes, as long as taxes get paid
MusterTheRohirrim
"and even Warren"... Well yeah, she consistently polled higher and is a well-known senator, what's your point?
mardukkur
And even then Warren got far less coverage than, say, Biden, despite beating him in both states so far.
HellzJanitor
Biden was the top polling candidate. I don't see your point. The news will cover what will get them more people watching. If that 1/2
HellzJanitor
2/2 doesn't include you, watch/listen a different news source.
skelitor120
"online media"? Yang was oversaturated, depending on what you mean by "media". I saw him on every youtube ad, sidebar ad, etc.
TheGlow
I dont use social media or watch tv, adblock YouTube so I only heard his name 2 or 3 times. And I know nothing of his positions.
skelitor120
I mean, you can't argue that he was under-represented in the media if you block out most forms of media.. lol
TheGlow
Bernie or bust is all I see.
PussyMonster
I was about to say the same. The only media refusing to air him was CNN and MSNBC. And whenever they did, it was always the wrong name
skelitor120
I think a lot of Democratic candidates, from the onset, were being snubbed, almost like they all wanted to just meddle with whatever--
PussyMonster
Like John yang with a picture of a totally different dude. Plus whenever they aired a poll, the outlets would show everyone except for yang.
skelitor120
-- reputation they could. False news about certain people, misrepresenting polls. Now that we're ramping up to the election, shit is serious
TerryCrews
I dont think he ever really had a chance. He is affluent, had good talking points, but we're not ready for UBI yet. That and a gen-xer has 1
TerryCrews
Never been president. Cant break a streak while the boomers are still around.
EchoWhiskyBravo
Obama was Gen X.
NeedMoreMullins
No, he wasn't.
wadatahmydamie
Born 1961. Dude was Gen-X. 1960-1980.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Close, but born in 61. Gen X starts in 64. He is a young Boomer.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
By the time enough Boomers are gone so that a Gen X has a chance, there will be enough Millenials to vote a Millenial in. Gen X will /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
largely be skipped, most likely. /2
PrisonMichaelScott
Who's the person for us then?
KingMagenta
Millienials are already old enough to be elected president. It’s hilarious.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I know, but like half of them don't vote so they're not gonna get one in while the Boomers are voting.
Counterfit
Yup. I turned 35 yesterday
IAmACyberneticOrganismLivingTissueOverEndoskeleton
This will end up like in Death Stranding, people wont be able to deal with everything being automated and many wil develop mental illnesses.
69BeerGuy
Or idiocracy
laacis2
Developers around the world develop software updates and mental illnesses.
iDrinkDrano
Wanna make an app?
jesseldow12
Everything being automated sounds like a dream. I'd rather enjoy life instead of trying to compete in the rat race. :)
Kymlaar
That's a false narrative idea fed to us in order to keep us working. Money is not a natural reward, and a factory is not natural work.
huntderp178225
That sounds more like wal-e
Zigor22
Everyone will be mentally and physically handicapped like in The Machine Stops and Wall-E
charonthehand
The Machine Stops is a scarily good model of our current society. Amazing how long ago it was written.
Zigor22
We had read it in Brit Lit class. That, Dante’s Inferno, and The Mask of The Red Death were my favs.
instanoodles
Maybe instead of working for others we will learn to take care of each other when there is less need for work.
swatz
That is part of the discussion for UBI (universal basic income). Many people need to feel accomplishment or useful. Some can find hobbies &<
swatz
>kind of self fill this need, but some breakdown after a while. Not counting people that can't relax. My mom seemed to be more functional<
swatz
>while stressed. On vacations she seemed to worry because she couldn't' turn off, so to speak.
8hourgamer
automated trucks cant fight off road pirates... just saying
sepherath55
So we are going to slow dismantle these automatons chasing the thrill of the delivery
Threadnomancer
I'm down, shockey sticks look fun
m00nWatcher
Hey buddy, it seems like a lot of people are already developing many mental illnesses.. :(
idontenglishsorry
Thats also what the govt in brave new world tries to avoid, in that society a lot of things could be done automatically but their society1/2
idontenglishsorry
Depends on people not having that much free time otherwise they could become ill so they just make people work and don’t use the technology
iceynyo
Yeah but he means they'll have more free time to devote to developing those illnesses.
MisterOates
My job as an Audio technician sucks because I work at a smaller company. This is happening to me now so I'm looking to join the (1)
MisterOates
Army so hopefully if I make it, I can get a sign up bonus and pay of my debt I have now and start with a clean slate at 30 years old. (2)
MisterOates
It sucks but I think I need more structure in my life as I do much better following orders to complete a task. Hopefully it works (3)
Threadnomancer
Was about to say, death stranding isnt that far off. Many of us already have oxytocin deficiencies that they talk about
Greevar
Automation only benefits those who own the automation. The working class needs to own it or we will be cast into destitution.
Khornight
really? no benefit for the working class of dish washers, vacuums, cars or the thinks they buy that are cheaper because of automation?
Greevar
Automation makes human labor less relevant. The people who control the automation will no longer need us. They will toss us out like trash.
Khornight
I mean i'm a left wing, free education, and health care, big corporations are bad socialist... but you are mental.
ENCHANTMEN
We'll find new things to do. Even if robots take over literally every job, even stuff like writing and psycology, we can still find hobbies.
CrashInfinite
after a brutal period of mass-unemployment and poverty, because why pay for poor people to live when the rich can just have robots?
ENCHANTMEN
If an AI decided to act as caretaker for humanity and just baby them, (like in WALL-E) it's gonna pay attention to mental health too.
Threadnomancer
Here are you
Xyzair
that would be the fastest route
TheAlviss
Creating art, innovations, and improving sciences will be our purpose. Star Trek utopia isn't a pipedream if we work hard enough.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
As long as the greedy superwealthy control the world, it is.
flashmaven
Hobbies are great and all, but how will we afford to live if we don’t have jobs? Something to consider...
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flashmaven
Remember: the average IQ of Americans is 100. There are a significant number under that, who will never be retrained to program.
LollipopLich
Star Trek-style, economy doesn't fun off money anymore.
iDrinkDrano
That's literally the platform Yang was running on and responding to?
VidiVeniThenSheLeft
Socialism is the end game of capitalism.
swatz
UBI is what you're looking for, there's a lot of discussions about it since the idea that many lower end jobs will disappear quickly .
UnoriginalPoster2000
Ubi
SirShmoopyofAwesomtown
I dont get it. There are a lot of people praising potential automation of peoples jobs.
goldensky
Leisure economy.
Sunmonster
It's a good thing. We just need to take care of our people because it's going to hurt us if we dont.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Historically, automation has been a really good thing for humanity by and large. It's put people out of work but we've been able to adapt 1
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
and find different work for those people. We are likely about to see an unprecedented wave of it, though. It's not a given that the 2
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
outcome will be good or bad. BUT it is entirely possible to make it a good thing, we just need to find a way to avoid starvation. 3/3
philoseraptor
I think the ideal is for no human to *have* to work to survive anymore, letting us pursue more meaningful things with our time and energy
prodmerc
It's gonna hit everyone... like a truck
Eiladar
The hope is that by cutting overhead prices will drop. People seem to forget every other time that production costs drop, retail prices fail
Eiladar
to follow suit (Gas prices, pretty much everything else); it just means higher profits for the companies involved.
prodmerc
"Nice, this thing is now half of what it was last year!" followed by "Oh, right, I don't have a job" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
iamthecanadian
Automation isn’t inherently bad. Along with it comes higher skilled, higher paying jobs.
skelitor120
Which, at least atm, seems like it means more unemployment and less educated/skilled jobs, at least in America.
skelitor120
If we can replace all retail, food and transportation jobs with robots, I can't imagine how much of our population would be out of a job.
Selerox
No, it doesn't. Along with it comes 60% of the workforce who are suddenly unemployable.
Radix865
But you generally need only a fraction of people for those, compared to low income ones that will be replaced. ->
Radix865
-> Not to mention that advanced AI could replace even those specialized, high paying jobs.
Miller16of16
Fewer, that is the important distinction "fewer". If it made for more jobs it wouldn't be progress. Global productivity has already crushed>
Miller16of16
demand - we are entering post industrial economy - most of us won't be needed anymore than we were at the onset of industrial revolution >
Miller16of16
when most folks were subsistence farmers/cottage industry largely self sufficient. Except now there are no commons or open space capable >
Miller16of16
of supporting so many people in that manner without massive land redistribution. To say nothing of tax reform - can't subsist if U have to >
Hairyoldfart
Not sure i want a 40 ton vehicle driving down the road without a driver.
smmfh
40 ton?
Hairyoldfart
80,000 LBS, max weight of the average truck&trailer.
Paythetolltogetintotheboyssoul
If it makes delivery faster I support it.
prodmerc
Yeah, well, you're not getting a choice :/
G4rr0
AI doesn't get tired, sick and doesn't drive beyond its abilities for the road conditions, it scans the road in every direction constantly
evilcarp
Never seen an AI do meth for 5 days strait.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
I'm almost certain there had to be a human in the cab as a backup. They just didn't mention it in the headline.
G4rr0
Sounds likely, if they make a self driving tesla have someone with at least one hand on the wheel then a 40 ton truck is probably the same
delecti
Long haul highway driving is by far the best place to start though.
PleaseLeave
Too bad its not your decision, it already made the trip
Hairyoldfart
I just love smart asses like you, you know there were 2 people in the truck to make sure it didn't fuck up.
Mithi
First cars only drove walking pace and had a runner up front to warn pedestrians and horse carriages. Your point being? Obviously the [1]
Mithi
system is tested with a safety net. But in a few years the training wheels will come off permanently. [2]
KinetoPlay
Because this was a test. It would be recklessly stupid to test something without a backup plan.
MarkOfTheCovenant
He not wrong though. The movement is happening wether you like it or not. Yeah they were there, but soon they won't be.
Hairyoldfart
Yea, the way that they are planning to take care of this is having remote control drivers. Like 1 guy in a cubicle responsible for 5 (1/2)
Hairyoldfart
trucks, looking to take over if a problem arises. It's still going to be monitored and have a fail safe, they just wont be in the truck.
Exyr
You trust a human more?
amop
Do you know who’s been driving them all this time?
skelitor120
Yes.
ButtchugSomeGatorade
As someone who works in software, yes currently
EricPisch
Than current self driving software? 100% I do
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
But current software will never get better w/o real world trials & it has the potential to be astronomically better than humans eventually.
CactusFantastic0
You talk about percentage margins for error across average drivers and if computers replaced all human drivers, accidents would go WAY down
EricPisch
Problem is current self driving software can only deal with simple things like highways and very simple road designs
TalostheGreat
Surely you don't drive everyday, I trust a bugged software more than most people...
Hairyoldfart
Being as i drove those things for a long time, yes yes i do.
iceynyo
You may be a good driver, but many aren't. As long as the robots are better than they are I'm all for being replaced as a driver.
DropThatShieldAndPraiseTheSun
Is it legal to drive humans?
AVaultDwellerNamedNONE
Yes, but only up the goddamn wall
justyourfriendlyneighborhoodimgurian
Hairyoldfart
In the trucking industry, yes. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the drivers out of the seats, cause it's not really a job that (1/2)
Hairyoldfart
anyone should have to do. (2/2)
tReasonoustRump
I drove one last night
Johnsky
How many humans can you fit in these anyways?
PunPoliceNAdivision1
At least 5 humans
Hairyoldfart
Only way i could see this being safely used is if a real person picked the load up, scaled it, distributed the weight properly, then (1/2)
Hairyoldfart
drove it to a "yard" that was connected to a freeway on/off ramp and the truck drove itself to a corresponding yard near the delivery (2/?)
Hairyoldfart
location and a real person took over from there. They'd have to relocate fuel stations to the yards too so someone could fuel the truck.
Hairyoldfart
Plus with the way companies maintain the trucks, man so much chance for equipment failure to be a problem.
idonthaveanaccount
That sounds like a railroad with extra steps
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
But cheaper because the road maintenance is subsidized by the rest of us, whereas if they use rail they have to pay their full share of /1
CheapBeerAndBadDecisions
extra steps, more fuel usage and higher maintenance needs. Yep sounds like something to get behind
Hairyoldfart
Yea they actually use something similar to what i am talking about in New York to run double 53 ft trailers down the the turnpike.
Cornflakes91
because automatic vehicles couldnt possibly handle streets other than "drive straight for 20 hours"? /s
Hairyoldfart
Yea, you've never driven them before, you wouldn't know. With the way people in cars drive around trucks. Not to mention streets that(1/?)
iceynyo
It would make more sense for the start/end driver to just be on the truck already. They get to rest while the truck does the boring part.
Hairyoldfart
Yea that's how they want to start it out.
iceynyo
That way they'll be at their best for the actual challenging parts.
purgethefilthyheretics
In the end it will put a lot of people out of their jobs as well.
ThePotatoBandit
Idk I'd say theyd be trained into an copilot/ on board mechanic role.
JCBalance
And open up a lot of service technician and other miscellaneous jobs. We shouldn't slow progress to keep outdated jobs
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Agreed. But at some point with populations growing and automation speeding up we'll hit a point where we'll have WAY more people than jobs.
nero4ty2
may put some out of a job, but a human will be needed for a lot of driver responsibilities, may just be less skilled
Hairyoldfart
In this instance, over all i say it's a good thing. I could go on and on about why. Drivers would have a better life doing other things
purgethefilthyheretics
It’s literally the best paying job anyone could get without a college degree. Don’t expect them to be happy over getting laid off.
Hairyoldfart
I'll have to write up an article about this soon, trucking companies lie and beef up the numbers, what they do is very misleading.
Ayoitsyeaboihmikey
Huh? My dads been driving for 30 years and loves his job, makes good money, goes on vacations whenever he wants. Hes got a pretty good life
Hairyoldfart
There are some drivers that have this turn out, you will find that this is the exception and not the rule. These are the drivers that(1/?)
Hairyoldfart
were built for the lifestyle, as trucking is a lifestyle not a job. Most can't handle it, i personally got tired of it after 2 mill miles.
Hairyoldfart
This industry has one a 94% turnover rate. As in 94% of their drivers quit to go to another company or quit completely. (1/2)
Hairyoldfart
Your dad is that other 6% (2/2)