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FPEdit: hopefully the front page will make this go even further. I am glad most agree.
krapmyself
Wow. I actually felt a little moved by that speech.
JobyJob
"I served in the military in the Vietnam war, and my foot hurt too, but I served anyway." Fucking savage.
ProperPlanningPreventsPissPoorPerformance
Phenomenal.
lindatwoboobsbelcher
muhvitus
Very concise and apt argument.
HippDeutschMan
Wow, just wow. He just brings it to the point.
lychgate
How the hell did America get to the point where a sportscaster sounds more like a president than the president.
mrmartini
I've had farts sound more presidential than Donald Trump at his most eloquent.
AtlasFutureOverthrowsAmerica
Education, religion, closed-mindedness, firmness in ones beliefs, polarity, two party system, simplification of complexity, ignorance...
N0disintegrations
nightster07
Maybe we're living in chapter one of the Idiocracy universe?
NewBandNameICalledIt
this is at least chapter 3, we've crested the peak of the roller coaster and its all downhill
BossCar9
We have a president?
AllTheBestNamesWereTaken
"My best friend in H.S. was killed in Vietnam and Carol Meyer will 18 years old forever and he did not die so you could decide who's a...
AllTheBestNamesWereTaken
...and Patriot and who loves America more"-Speaking of his best friend... I can only hope such eloquence is mine if I ever need to speak so.
moose9377
"Who's a and Patriot"?
AllTheBestNamesWereTaken
I divided the comment wrong and didn't notice.... My bad
gettodachopper69
That was powerful.
ItsUncleSam
He’ll yeah. The only person who gets to decide who is and isn’t a Patriot is Bill Belichick.
Orsigno
Nice
Thekindofkindlyman
Robert Kraft has final say as the owner
ManiaGamine
Holy crap... that guy is awesome.
erbiumyttriumytterbium
He got it right. Lots of vets do.
WhatisaYute
Is this the same guy who gave the speech about having a gay or trans son?
Leithreas
Shannon Sharpe spoke eloquently about it too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofjRpa0Kmo
rather0od
That is some powerful stuff.
ChancesAreIHateYou
I preferred his because he called out everyone being a douche, not just trump.
BlackPengu
Trump is an idiot. He can't help himself. The real douches are the people addressed in this statement
Satanslittlechariotsoffailedpotential
That was fucking beautiful. Powerful and concise.
attackofthequokka
holy shit there were no survivors
Leithreas
Yeah he took everyone to task, which is good because people are being dumb all over the place about this.
ErinFromTheOffice
"I served in the military during the Vietnam War. And my foot hurt too, but I served anyway." AWESOME
Trashedpanda
I fucking loved that
whitey211
Cracked up pretty good at that one.
BoxOfHellos
"Our forefathers made freedom of speech the 1st amendment. They listed 10, and not 1 of them says you have to stand during the anthem."
djohn84
Not to mention there was no anthem when the constitution was drafted. America is the Constitution and the people, not a flag and song
TheGhostofElizabethShue
JahNoodles
That quote made me think. +1 for reasons
ComeSweetDeathComeBlessedRest
I for one would gladly trade places with Chris Rock.
Toderdj
I don't get the reference
Aussie84D
It’s ok not many people know about this.
armedandfriendly
Trump's draft deferment was a foot issue.
strongbadia7
Trump got deferments partially based on having bone spurs in his foot.
Xalaqia
Left or right, he was asked? He said, "Both!"
Patternsofculture
"It's a dog whistle to the racist among us"
Helveticus
Calling it here: Trump will be telling us that nobody knows the constitution better than him!
stevetehpirate
I'd bet on it.
Sumpte
Actually the first thing he'll say is that this guy has poor ratings.
Bizarkly
"We have the *best* Constitution! And I don't have to read it to know that!"
maxlt1
We have a very good constitution, the best! And nobody knows it better than me. I am the best at our very good constitution.
GreatTeacherMichael
As a teacher, I really wish I could give Trump and my students tests on global & American issues, and then see who scores higher.
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
I'm assuming you teach 5th grade, and in that case the kids would still win.
RoseSheepy69
Hope he can get pass question 1.
Nalianna
Name:
Tunaccat
You can argue the specifics of what Kaepernick is protesting, but you can't argue his right to protest.
ZachPutland
I can also argue that Kaepernick is a greedy, disrespectful asshole who doesn't deserve to be picked up by an NFL team.
ashertaz
You could just listen to what K had to say about why he protests and stop arguing the "specifics". How bout you trust he knows why he prot?
Sekai
No one's arguing his right to protest though. Trump might want to, but he hasn't and can't.
IRatetits
A lot of people are arguing against their right to protest. Nobody really important, mind you, but a lot have decided to boycott the NFL.
Sekai
Who? Boycotting the NFL isn't arguing their right to protest. Violating their right to protest would require legal punishment.
IRatetits
I've seen a lot of posts on facebook. There isn't anything wrong with boycotting, it was the first thing that I remembered seeing.
IRatetits
There have been talks of jailing them, taking their money away, drafting them, deporting them etc etc
Tunaccat
A gov official telling a private company to fire it's employees for protesting him should scare the shit out of you.
Sekai
Inappropriate yes, unconstitutional no. There's also a big difference between saying he hopes they get fired, and trying to force
Sekai
The NFL to fire them. If he does the latter, THEN he will have violated the Constitution.
Tunaccat
"They should be fired" =/= "I hope they're fired" Why are you insanely charitable about the U.S. President condemning Americans protesting?
Sekai
That's not what I said. Why don't you reread my message and respond to that instead of a strawman.
GoodEveningThisIsWhatAButtDoesPBBPPBBTT
I'm a vet and I could care less if you stand or not, but their reasoning behind why they're not is what's confusing to me.
Xalaqia
"Hey, Police! Stop killing black people!"
GoodEveningThisIsWhatAButtDoesPBBPPBBTT
Even though evidence has shown time and time again that more whites have been killed than blacks?
charlie2979
Hahaha. Jesus.
enderite
Maboroshi1994
isn't he the guy that supported a trans kid's right to play even if he admits he doesn't get trans identities? if so he's got the right idea
SadCannibalNoises
^This^ Tolerance doesn't mean you have to like something, want to partake in something, or celebrate something.Just don't get in the way.
ShaunDreclin
I wish we'd go back to the 90s and tolerance. I dont get you, I dont really like your ideas, but you do you and I'll do me.
danishjuggler21
I feel like people are forgetting that protests are SUPPOSED to upset people.
Chereazi
That was an amazing speech. How long until Trump wants him to be fired?
ThatTransformersDude
.18 militweets
kempper
He allows white people to express their first amendment right, not blacks
FBKatB3TAdotcom
Not fired, but Trump will send the marines in and occupy him until a new government can be forced into him so marines can leave
Cheomesh
HAH
CatchyUsername123
This person is white so Trump will not call for him to be fired
shmekie
He's not black so he won't say anything
qaaaaa
Nah he's white
FF290
He's been pissing people off for 20 years, including Mark Cuban and Jerry Jones. I doubt he is losing sleep over the thoughts of Trump.
Gustie13
As soon as he thinks it'll get him applause. He'll say anything for applause
Wombatish
Watch his UN speech when he doesn't get it. Craziness.
NeverDunNuffin
He gets the best applause.
uthminsta
I read that as "As soon as he thinks, it'll get him applause." Can't wait to see him start ACTUALLY thinking. Will start a genuine slowclap.
imooforyou
I can't wrap my head around how the right is screaming about their free speech. While their guy is literally trying to squash dissent/press.
Cheomesh
That's the right for you.
thisappisajoke
It's only free speech when they want it to be.
channelranger
"Talking shit about minorities? That's free speech! Talking shit about the republicans? Oppression! Un-american!"
kempper
THIS
KennyRogersChickens
Definitely a good speech, but as a white man, I would totally switch places with Chris rock
IJustLikeToArgue
Likewise.
MizuNoMark
I WISH I was that funny I would totally switch but then find out how much it must still suck
baltyswollocks
You haven't seen the last time Chris Rock was stopped over the past year for driving while black and has to record the incident.
CatchyUsername123
You should watch his standup about him being the one of the only black men in his neighborhood
eion85
Same guy who had the awesome editorial in support of the trans male high school wrestler, if I recall.
softballguy
Male white military vet who's also an outspoke liberal. There's a huge segment of Texas that hates that guy, and see him as a traitor.
thisguy79
I don't know what circles you are spending time in but I've never heard anyone around here call him a traitor. I think you are /
thisguy79
Overestimating the number of people dislike him. People around me may not always agree with him but for the most part like the guy.
Cheomesh
Treason? Sticking up for a man who is down? Jesus.
softballguy
I know, right? But there are some people who think anyone not on the hard right is an enemy of the nation.
JimJamesJimothyHalpert
There’s also a huge portion that loves him and backs him up. He’s the greatest thing out of dallas
softballguy
Chereazi
Can you get that guy to be president? Pretty sure it'd be a huge improvement... At least his speeches are actually good xD
krapmyself
Good people don't run for office. Never forget that.
eion85
I'd certainly vote for him for city council. No more Presidents without prior experience, please.
bittybubba
If only. Dale is too good of a guy to run for pres though. People that inherently good don't tend to seek power.
daguq
And therein is the essence of the problem. Only those that want power get power.
The701
Though at this point in time, "a huge improvement" is an embarrassingly low standard to reach.
bayardthebloodhound
I mean I would trade places with Chris Rock. He's rich. Just he have to be cool with a gender swap as well.
Xsiah
You could do the helicopter thing
bayardthebloodhound
That be neat. Not going to lie if I some how gender swap I would do it. Then freak out a little cause how do guys sit with it.
Cheomesh
We, uh, "manspread".
bayardthebloodhound
Lol. That made me chuckle.
googlediid
We use it 2 sell mattresses and beer. V wear it as swim suit, wrapped r heads in bandana n stick it in r pants. we disrespect flag everyday.
lawngnomecollector
As a Brazilian naturalized American, I still cant believe people wear the flag as bikinis and speedos. I find it disrespectful
Cheomesh
As a Native-born American, me too. But...it's their thing, they may do with it as they please.
DrMichaelMcQueeferton
I'm a patriot from a long line some military family members, several who've died in combat. And even I agree completely with the protest,
Cheomesh
If a man is discontent, he must act.
DrMichaelMcQueeferton
and despise the fact that the Cowboys were booed by psuedopatriotic dip sticks who like to call it a 'protest against the flag'
DrMichaelMcQueeferton
as a sports fan, I hate it when politics is injected into sports, but some legitimate issues have been raised and dismissing it all as ..
DrMichaelMcQueeferton
anti-american demonstrations, ignores the realities and genuinely good cause for the protests in the first place.
Heratickle
It was brilliant propaganda to pair a good cause with anti-US actions.Famous athletes can B more effective with constructive protest methods
danishjuggler21
Lieutenant Dan? Is that you?
Heratickle
That is what is so subversive about pairing anti-US actions with a good cause. It is confusing, divisive & difficult to clarify.
OverpricedCrayon
I think it has something to do with this false sense of patriotism and anything having to do with the military giving them a massive boner.
OverpricedCrayon
You can be a patriot and still think there's a lot a country gets wrong
Heratickle
Pairing a good cause with divisive anti-US actions was powerful anti-US propaganda that detracted fr purported cause. R better alternatives
Nalianna
such as? list 3 successful alternatives.
usedpatiofurniture
Nationalism. Those people confuse patriotism with nationalism.
Cheomesh
And Jingoism.
TheVermonster
The problem is that explaining the difference to them is virtually impossible.
OverpricedCrayon
I get the feeling most of them dont see anything wrong with Nationalism either. They think its just as good as Patriotism
usedpatiofurniture
This is true. Mostly because they're deaf to facts that don't match their preconceived worldviews and narratives.
SailingSteak975
dghammer
Shit is the word for it.
Braindaed
"Ohhhh china"
n1ff
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DarkUranium
Question though, from a non-American ... what exactly *are* the NFL protests about?
ElbowDeepInAPig
The supposed cop brutality against blacks.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
You misspelled “well documented”
HiddenSanity
Racism and police violence, and specifically the sizable crossover between the two.
TheBlackWindHowls
Uneven police treatment of black people. Many seemingly unjustified shootings of black men that result in no punishment for white officers.
georgecostanzalatexsalesman
Has anyone come out with an idea of how to solve those issues?
popejubal
One thing that could help would be to require police to stop disproportionately targeting people of color.
scorpiontea
We tried. When we actually succeed in putting one away for racial profiling, the POTUS pardoned him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
AnnieBahde
http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/25/why-are-nfl-players-kneeling-what-the-protest-means-6953185/ Good overview from non-American perspective.
badbiscuit
Agreed
Gayforbae
As an American I needed this
mrkite89
Racial injustice. Specifically the high profile shootings of black men by the police.
Joblessgymshorts
Systematic oppression of black minorities using the judicial system. Once blacks got the right to vote in the late 19th century 1/?
Joblessgymshorts
They used laws to put taxes and literacy tests to make sure they couldn't vote. These weren't abolished till 1965 with the voters rights 2/?
Joblessgymshorts
Act. Then late 70s they started using drug laws as a way to put minorities in prison. These laws were mostly enforced in black towns 3/?
Joblessgymshorts
By the late 80s the prison population doubled and 60% were black. These laws got stricter and stricter to now. With us holding 25% of 4/?
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
"Why would what I think matter? It's their right, I serve for it, end of discussion." -My Husband. Let vets speak for themselves, assholes.
intashu
It triggers me hard when people try to use VETS as an excuse. Fight and die for freedom just to watch freedom in action called disrespect.
Tempcore
I always hate when people bring military and vets into an argument as a leverage for their own feelings
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Because we're so fiercely patriotic, they think that will end the discussion. A vet served, so his opinion cannot be argued with.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
He's not a fan of being thanked either. He says both are feel good gestures for the one who does it, not the one who gets thanked/defended.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Your husband sounds amazing. Tell him some random guy says than- wait
MatrimBloodyCauthon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPwA6hAXVpQ This says it all. From a horse.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
That's the part that got him hooked on the show.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Wait who what now?
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
Bojack's rant on the military got my husband hooked on the show. He's active duty, loves it.
IndividualWhoLurks
I only regret that I have but one upvote to give for this post.
BionicToad
My only regret is that I have but one upvote for this comment
RogueEngineer
My wife is a fox news homer. I think this is awesome, she thinks it awful.
Aussie84D
Well of course she does. Fox News leans so much to the right it may topple over at any second.
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dbs84mn
Wow. I don't like it when people don't stand, but is a right to do so. And, I can't disagree with anything this man says. Thanks for sharing
ashertaz
Can you disagree with him saying that only black athletes participate in the protest which makes Trump a racist for attacking them?
softballguy
Same. I always stand. I'm glad more and more players are not.
yogurtandstuff
You know whats not a right? The president suggesting a private entity fire an employee for their political opinion. In fact, its illegal.
dbs84mn
I agree it is wrong. Not sure it is illegal, but is VERY wrong and in this case hypocritical.
CidEquinox
It's illegal. That's a clear violation of your 1st amendment rights
FancyGiraffes
It may be a right, but it's also the right of fans to boycott their games. Their bosses have every right to fire them if they want.
Trollingstoned
Of course. But it could affect their team's performance, and all that for a peaceful, quiet protest against an important problem.
FancyGiraffes
Listen, I'm not saying their bosses should or have to fire them. Just that they certainly could or might have to if this keeps up.
Genini
It's not a right. I'm fine with them doing it, but they aren't legally protected from protesting at work.
Genini
For the people down voting this here is a CNN article explaining the legality. (1/2)
Genini
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/opinions/first-amendment-football-protest-callan-opinion/index.html (2/2)
Trollingstoned
Would be hard to argue for the boss. If a player does not stand up for a specific song but otherwise does everything right, what can he do ?
Genini
Fire them. If you refuse to act according to the employers wishes they can legal fire you if it's not for a protected reason.
Trollingstoned
For not having a hardon for the anthem ? Doesn't seem possible. It's merely a non-committed gesture, not even antagonistic.
BreadyStinellis
They're also not legally obligated to stand for the anthem.
Genini
Yes, but they can be asked to perform in a certain way by their employer including standing for the anthem if they wanted to.
BreadyStinellis
Yes. But if their employer has no issue with it, then nothing wrong is happening.
Genini
Correct. If the NFL says it's okay then it's okay. I'm saying that their is no legal right to protest at work.
Trollingstoned
Wouldn't that be protected ? An employer cannot regulate every gesture or lack thereof, especially where politics or religion is concerned.
Genini
Religion no, but politics yes. http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/opinions/first-amendment-football-protest-callan-opinion/index.html
BreadyStinellis
I would think if it were illegal to protest at work we wouldn't have unions at all. NFL players are union workers. So I'm pretty sure this