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There are two main types of soldier, a Legionary is a Roman citizen, an Auxiliary is not. Each of them must supply their own equipment and swear an oath of loyalty to the Emperor.
Legionaries join an Infantry unit as part of a group of eight men, known as a Contubernium, who all share sleeping quarters. New soldiers are stuck with "Fatigues" (Dirty Jobs) until they can secure a specialists post.
10 Contubernia form a Century, with it's own standard bearer (Signifer), Commander of the watch (Tesserarius), Second in Command (Optio), and a Centurion, to lead them all. Six Centuries together make up a Cohort.
10 Cohorts, plus a small cavalry unit, the Equites Legionis (120 Riders) make up the biggest Roman Army unit of them all, The Legion. The Legion's Symbol is the Roman Eagle, born aloft by the Aquilifer. Cohorts in a Legion are numbered 1-10.
Cohort 1 is extra large with five double Centuries. It's Centurions are the senior ranking Primi Ordines, with the most senior of them all being Primus Pilus, or "First File".
The Primus Pilus can be promoted to the Praefectus Castrorum (Camp Prefect) who is in charge of the daily running of the Legion. Outranking the Camp Prefect are seven men, 6 Staff Officers (the Tribuni Angusticlavii and Tribuni Laticlavius).
The seventh is the Commander of the entire Legion, the Legatus. Back in Rome he is a member of the Senate, the Empire's 600 person ruling elite.
All together a single Legion was made up of around 6,000 troops, all of whom Roman citizens.
While the Roman Legionaries are the backbone of the Roman Army, the Auxiliaries, or non-citizens, are the Specialists. In the Auxiliary Cohorts, men recruited across the empires us their talents and abilities in the service of Rome.
One particular area of expertise was Horsemanship. there were Cavalry only regiments (The Alae), a few double strength cavalry units, including the one in Britannia (The Alae Petriana) along with some partially mounted Cohorts.
Some Auxiliary Cohorts served as regular Infantry, organized like the Legionary Cohorts, however the similarities stopped at the Cohort level, Auxiliaries are part of no bigger unit, there is no Auxiliary Legion, nor a Legate to command them.
Instead, each Auxiliary Cohort has it's own high ranking commander, the Prefectus Cohortis, who leads these more compact and maneuverable units.
When an Auxiliary soldier has served the Roman Army for 25 years, a great reward awaits. He is granted a plot of land, a pension, and all of the rights of a Roman citizen, shared by his family, and all the generations of his name to follow.
A side of sauce for y'all.
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PeckishSoul
My question is: how often did butt stuff happen?
TchallaVII
Rome - We're not great at a lot of shit, but we can manage shit real well.
shoopthewhoop
My guild on wow is the horde preatorian guards been together 10 years, I am centurio rank! Hpg or hard-core porn guild!
waspy17
No mention of the Artillery?
Stuey1221
"My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions..." All makes sense now :)
Bardiccus
Thank you sir
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gunsight1
Cool stuff!
drpainmd
illbeyourfuckleberry
I love the fact that Trajan opted to build a big fucking wall just to keep those crazy Scottish fuckers out of the empire.
GwenDog
The final slide being, what happened when they met the Scots ?
RAGESTARVED
They built a wall, and they made the Britons pay for it!
MrBlackWhite
If you like this stuff check out the podcast The History of Rome.
WhyAmINotASaiyan
After the Marian reforms men didn't have to supply their own equipment anymore. He is renowned for the loyalty of the Primigenia legion 1/2
WhyAmINotASaiyan
Because of this, most men in his legion couldn't afford to join the army until his reforms were introduced
yamatto
Extra for experts : This applies a bit to the Republic post-Marius but mostly to the Principate, Dominate changes things dramatically.
flavivsaetivs
Yep. Dominate army was more centralized, units became smaller, and the army became more versatile.
ImRandyMarsh
What's a Roman's favorite way to travel? Legion Air
Novirtue
Damn it dad, get off imgur.
soupsnakes22
If you're interested, this is Dr Rufus Fears and he is the best story teller of the Greek and Roman empires https://youtu.be/fqgQ1B2Jjz0
furbl
Obligatory "I didn't know I needed this".????
Eidusloemus
It is important to mention that much of this changed at various point in the republic/empire. The time served increases from 20-25 years 1/2
Eidusloemus
Also at certain times many were not released even after they served there time.
BenSwol0
Question is, how many survived to 25 years?
flavivsaetivs
Most of them actually, casualty rates for the Roman army were low and the average soldier lived to about 55. Farmers to 35, miners to 25.
Paintmeblue
Which one is Rory?
DrBuckarooBanzai
Oh, hello, "contubernium". Welcome to the list of big words I'll start using way too much in order to sound smarter
Nikolai5
You sound very photosynthesis.
Namtraz4002
Haha "recruited"
Lenthas
You'd be surprised, but as long as you weren't a slave, many would CHOOSE to join the army for the mentioned above rewards.
ElBivo
Army was a very important tool for social mobility by the 1st century BCE. Finding volunteersoldiers was not a problem until much later on.
Selerox
See the world, kill exotic people and potentially take a metric fuckton of loot. Also, some Legions were in mind-numbingly dull areas>>
Selerox
>>with almost no action (Spain for example) and they ended up living an easy life and sat their making money>>
Selerox
>>on the other hand you could end up on Hadrian's Wall in rain dealing with Picts, or stuck dealing with race riots in Alexandria.
DontFeedTheBears
And now I want to play Rome Total War
CrazyCatLad
Ever play the Hegemony series?
Nicolei123
This is very interesting! However, the roman soldiers only paid for their own gear before the military reforms of general Gaius Marius 1/
Nicolei123
Who standardised the gear of the roman soldier to correspond with the inconsisive quality of roman soldiers arms and armor, while also 2/
Nicolei123
Who standardised the gear of the roman soldier to correspond with the inconsisive quality of roman soldiers arms and armor, while also 2/
Nicolei123
Making it possible for the lowest level of roman society to become a part of the roman legions and also ensurering payment which was not 3/
Nicolei123
Given beforehand as miltitary service was seen as a civic duty 4/4
argonnaut
Why is a century of soldiers only 80 men? Couldn't make it 100 so it makes sense?
FriskyDing0
Upvoting because there can't have only been 3 people who wondered this.
Look4jesper
Each contubernium has eight soldiers and two "helpers", making the century 80 combatants and 20 non-combatatants. 100 men :)
MrMcCookieMuffin
oohh shhhiittt
ElPoloDiablo
Imperial* Roman Army. Roman Kingdom most likely used a phalanx system and for most of Roman Republic there was the Principe, Hastati and 1/2
ElBivo
Arranged into maniples rather than cohorts. This system was still a marked improvement over the Macedonian phalanx. More flexible.
ElPoloDiablo
Triarii system. I believe such was also the case for a good part of Roman Empire. Not sure which reform introduced legion system.
MrBlakeMeister
It was Gaius Marius in roughly 107 BC, he reformed training, tactics, and means of supply, creating a professional army.
MrBlakeMeister
The early Roman army consisted of three lines, the Hastati (youngest/least experienced) were the front line, and were the least supplied 1/?
MrBlakeMeister
In terms of equipment, as each soldier was required to purchase their own gear. Principes were positioned behind them, and were the well 2/?
MrBlakeMeister
Equipped veterans. Like the Hastati, they carried a gladii and pila (throwing spear). Lastly, was the triarii. They were behind the 3/?
MrBlakeMeister
Principes, and were the oldest veterans, able to afford the best equipment. They were a last line of defense. They carried a hasta 4/?
fyndir
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_reforms ?
ElPoloDiablo
Yes, that would be it.
HighFivesYourFace
Well, off to watch Rome again.
Selerox
"Juno's cunt man!"
GasBandit
THIRTEEN! THIRTEEN!
CrazyCatLad
Well, off to play Hegemony Rome again.
27yoUGLYvirgin
I feel like that show was 99% fucking, 0.25% history and 0.75% extra dirty fucking.
CrazyCatLad
That's why I watched it as a teenager. Would like to watch it for that .25% now as an adult.
abeardedblacksmith
Well now I need to watch it. It's an hbo series, right?
Ethansmug
If you have amazon prime you can watch it on there, in the U.S. anyway. Not sure about the rest of the non-free world =P
Selerox
They take some liberties with the timeline and historical plot, but in terms of the accuracy of the "world", it's *outstanding*.
ohnoofcourseyourright
It's a great series. First episode was boring but it picks up. Shame it ended so early
FriskyDing0
That's what she said.
GasBandit
At least it got closure to its story, unlike Deadwood.
ivoryashes
Had a prof who consulted with the director on Rome. He said he would never do it again because the didn't listen to anything he had to say.
27yoUGLYvirgin
Oh dear. Yeah that doesn't surprise me. The show was basically a soap themed around Rome. Sex sells.
CPolofVancouver
This is wrong; neither legionaries nor auxiliaries had to supply their own equipment. The Marian Reforms of 107 BCE opened the army up (1)
CPolofVancouver
Man this is filled with typos.
CPolofVancouver
to the unlanded poor: prior to that it was restricted to property owners above a certain tax & property grade. Since this new soldiers (2)
CPolofVancouver
were poor couldn't afford to supply their own equipment, so the state supplied it. They also were payed, where previously is had been (3)
CPolofVancouver
seen as a duty of citizenship. Auxiliaries were non-Roman subjects who filled supplementary roles; after their service this got citizenship.
MrBlakeMeister
Well said, it's important to make the distinction that although they state supplied it, they still had to pay for it with their salary.
CPolofVancouver
Thanks for the addition; however it should be noted that the state-supplied equipment was much cheaper than individually purchased (1)
GoCorral
I forgot about that! Thanks! Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_reforms
CPolofVancouver
Thanks for adding the source; I completely forgot
ThePowerOf42
Ave. True to Caesar ..
madgodrhinoprime
Ade victoriam! Legion dog!
SingularWit
After the first 2 images I decided I'd need to scour the comments for this. Thanks for not letting me down.
GreedyJungle
The Legion awaits at the gates of hell and the NCR send 'em in!
CrimsonFuckr
First Recon: the last thing you never see.
SingularWit
Wish I had a First Recon guy looking out for me.
CrimsonFuckr
Funny enough, I'm building a 1st recon cosplay.
SingularWit
Lieutenant Betsy?
isaydefy
I was actually impressed that the legion in FNV spoke Latin with proper Roman pronunciation. It was rad
tommywiseauisfedupwiththisworld
I think you mean rads. (Looks around nervously for pun police)
CatSnakePlissken
Caesar was a linguist, historian, and anthropologist born and raised in the NCR. [Mormon, to boot.] He knew his shit.
CatSnakePlissken
Update: Looking at the wiki, Caesar may not have been mormon himself. I thought he and Graham had both been.
Attacker732
Obsidian didn't have time to COMPLETE the Legion, but they had time to flesh it out and give it part of an identity...
robotbob123
I remember reading somewhere that they planned to show what it is like for non-combatant legion citizens.
Attacker732
Basically, the Legion as it is in-game is just a shell of the faction they were supposed to be. Bethesda just didn't give them the time.
Mizuha112
Sorry, in what? I want to watch/play that
CatSnakePlissken
Fallout: New Vegas
Mizuha112
Cool thanks
CPolofVancouver
Too bad Caesar completely misunderstood Roman society & thus created an utter bastardization of it. Goddamn self-righteous prick dictator.
CatSnakePlissken
Caesar understood it perfectly, he wasn't attempting to recreate it. He felt the synthesis of his legion with NCR would be closer, but 1/
CatSnakePlissken
he understood that he was just a brutal warlord with a theme until that hegelian triad was realized.
Quilboar
Looks like somebody needs a ballistic fisting.
VampriruM
Please assume the position.
doyourworkidiot
Rome was a military dictatorship for a long time, profligate.
CPolofVancouver
Yeah but their women weren't slaves, they fought in formation & the strength of Rome was its bureaucracy; a strong military was a by-product
MagicalScientist
I'm sure he understood the society, but straight up decided he wasn't going to do that.
GadenKerensky
Say what you will about the bad parts of the Roman empire, they knew how to make a fucking army.
ErrareHumanumEww
Yet a lot of it were lost. The superiority of autonomous units was almost forgotten until the Golden horde showed up..
bawsinmahmouth
They had fucking retirement plans....
BayazTheBenevolent
Most empires do.
sangatiche
I was listening to the Rome HBO series soundtrack while reading your post :)
GadenKerensky
Awesome.
RandomlyAppointedNSAAgent
They also knew how to build shit. Impressive shit. Very well.
GadenKerensky
Engineering was something they took pride in.
bignicewolf
A fucking army you say? Did it make love not war? :)
KlatnYelox
it made lovely war
WarpPig
Then Hannibal has to come and fuck shit up
GadenKerensky
With his bloody elephants.
Averycleverpun
Imagine how different the world would be if members of Congress had to travel and fight with the military?
GadenKerensky
Could be worse... they could spin that power for destructive gains.
mindstorm8191
So basically take over the whole world. And after that, they'd be competing for power with other politicians (because why not?)
RoyFuckingMustang
That's what got Rome an emperor. I'd prefer not.
GadenKerensky
Kinda like what's happening now, really, just most don't have private military units behind them.
ThaneofGlamis
Yeah except they royally fucked it up a few times. I'm looking at you, Cannae.
mujibul
That was before the formation of legionaries. From my memory of Rome Total War, Cannae was fought with Hastati and Principes.
Vybors
Without cannae there would be no legions as described here. The wars against Carthage led to reforms of the army that conquered the world.
Secular
To be fair that was before the reformation of their military into a really professional force. Better example would be Teutoburg forest.
ThaneofGlamis
Fair point.
Wolfos
Even before the Marian reforms they kicked ass. They conquered Italy first, held it against Pyrrhus and defeated Carthage's superior navy.
DoubleOhKevin
Shit, the only reason they beat Carthage was because they laid siege to the city of Carthage, forcing Hannibal to abandon his conquest.
MunsterZero
Dodecaphonist
Roman water system, now with 50% more lead poisoning.
zackofspades
The Romans command Flint now?
GadenKerensky
Also, Rome was apparently somewhat generous to the lands it conquered, until near the end of its reign.
nerdyvet
Why waste time better spent rolling in riches when people will govern themselves more happily AND pay you taxes?!
GadenKerensky
And give you economy by way of slaves, which probably went both ways.
GoodbyeItWasntMeYoureLookingFor
And they didn't force their religion on the people they conquered
BronzeLeaguePro
Considering that they won wars by applying the Zapp Brannighan Gambit repeatedly, yes. Yes they did.
DerFoxeh
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
GadenKerensky
Well, it's not like they had the tools available for advanced tactics.
TopherTots
Just because they didn't have modern tools, doesn't mean they didn't have tools or tactics. They were no more or less smart than us.
GadenKerensky
Some would argue that they may have, in ways, have less overall intelligence.
TopherTots
I'd say less knowledge, but intelligence would likely be the same.
BronzeLeaguePro
The Carthaginians did. But the Romans learned. And that's a good thing.
GadenKerensky
Their tactics were often better than any in the medieval period.
MrtheOffender
And the people that did beat them in the field tended to use tactics Specifically designed against standard legion tactics, which they >
ItsUncleSam
Whenever they came across a tactic or fighting style that was better, they would adopt it. Or that may be wrong, I read it on the internet.
BronzeLeaguePro
Well the Franks/French did beat the shit out of the "Byzantine" empire (or The Roman Empire as it should be known) in the medieval period.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
And they apparently knew how to take care of their veterans...
override367
err uh, not really, and the problems that led to the downfall should be obvious with giving every man + future generations a plot of land
SpruceCaboose
Of course, the veteran problem combined with the Gracchus brothers and Gaius Marius probably helped kill the republic. 1/2
SpruceCaboose
which then transitioned into an empire that lasted a good long while, so take the fall as you will. 2/2
tr3buchet
25 years was near the life expectancy of someone poor not fighting in wars back then.. good luck making it to "veteran"
ChrisLucas1
You were well fed, and fit serving in the Legion though. So they had a higher life expectancy without disease or injury.
tr3buchet
It's that injury part I'm calling bullshit on. Chances of 25 years melee combat without dying is slim chances indeed regardless of your food
ChrisLucas1
Depends where you ended up. If you got put in a comfy, stable province, you may never see live combat.
mirria
Most people still lived to ~60 years old. It's all that infant death dragging the average down.
tr3buchet
Good point! I assumed they didn't count those :(
insongwhang
I don't know if there were that many of them. And I'm sure they suffered from PTSD without any help.
vorkje2
There's an interesting video on battle fatigue in the ancient times https://youtu.be/FDNyU1TQUXg
FailFish
Dot for roman/ancient war stuff
rboyyy
That is interesting
Noroelle
Dot
IsYaBoyDaBeanster
Man, now I have to dot this. .
IsYaBoyDaBeanster
Man, now I have to dot this .
runningman1756
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AdhesiveJo
Random .
ivoryashes
Super unlikely for them to live through 25 years in service. If they did, life expectancy was optimistically 40-50.
Dimako98
Not exactly true. Life expectancy at birth was around 40-50 but once you reached 18 or so your life expectancy was around 65.
Cartoones
Yea but they mostly did it so that their children and family can have a bright future and so on
HEXADECIMAL
The bad stuff came from the politicians the same as the US. If they had a french revolution and cut out the rotten core theyd still be here
Opskii
Its that fact they got so large, created 2 senates to rule east and west then went to war with each other.
GadenKerensky
The US could do with an overhaul.
GoCorral
There were a number of reasons. Being too big to govern for that time period contributed. The hundred years of civil war too ~200-300CE
SaintMaceToTheFace
Literally did that like six times
kiruwa
Arguably, the main problem for Rome was exactly the opposite. The military was actually in charge as it rotted.
BALKatalo
Something as simple as water poisoning, lead in their pipes, is often blamed for the fall of their most prominent cities.
thunder2132
Uh oh, hold onto your toots Flint, MI.
K4LJ
Main reasons for their fall: barbarians from Gaul and other areas, spreading the empire too thin, and political infighting.
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
Goddamn gallic barbarians, with their magic potions, little dogs, and menhirs.
Sawsomebullshit
Actually it was politicians/soldiers fighting for control while rich men horded wealth. Add in disease decreasing the population. 1/2
Sawsomebullshit
2/2 bad news all around.
ISellUsernames
Literally america
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
Not really. The Roman Empire fell very slowly, piece by piece, over centuries. Vestiges of it still remain, in the form of Catholicism.
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
Nothing lasts forever. Empires and mountains both are withered by time.
Vybors
Roman law underpins much of Western law too. And the last emperor died in 1453.
HEXADECIMAL
Yeah I've read a lot about that and how through the church they may actually be more powerful now than they were during their peak.
haniblenotacannible
Um not sure if the French Revolution should be used as a good idea
HEXADECIMAL
Any History or Philosophy teacher will tell you without the French Revolution there would be no US. They bankrolled the US Revolution.
ivoryashes
Yeah, that actually happened a few times during the roman empire, then someone who seemed better but was actually worse took their place.
HEXADECIMAL
So every revolution ends with even worse leaders. That could be true, then again without a Chinese Revolution they'd be part of the UK.
fyaycr
Well, France is still there
Lockerd
Mostly in name, it was modern enough and surrounded by equals, so the land stayed, but most of its origins are gone.
PenguinLordAmahtani
The origins of France are gone? I'm curious about it :D
zackofspades
Careful, talk like that around the wrong revolutionaries will get your head cut off rather quickly.
JohnFloorwalker
Yeah, I was about to say this. People who say the French Revolution was successful don't know what happened.
kurotenshi13
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khora
We got the metric system.
RocketRodster
They defeated the combined armies of Europe twice, before Napoleon even showed up.
PenguinLordAmahtani
Hmm?
BambinoBambino
Enlighten us
JohnFloorwalker
1) Basically, it started to feed the poor & get rid of the monarchy, or put in place a Constitutional Monarchy. After years of fighting
khora
Pun is punny.
JohnFloorwalker
4) Not to mention the skyrocketing debt, the fact that the leaders in France decided it was a good idea to start two wars at a time when
JohnFloorwalker
5) France literally couldn't be poorer. The French Revolution was just a cluster fuck.
JohnFloorwalker
3) They simply replace King Louis with God Emperor Napoleon.
JohnFloorwalker
2) there arose multiple revolutionary groups that ended up fighting one another, all the while France's people still starved & @ the end