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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/29/trump-pardons-stephanie-mohr-prince-georges
Was short, posted whole article for reference
feliscorvus
“Flagged as a potential problem officer” but still kept on. They got some kind of quota to fill for ‘problem officers’ or something?
Fenwaywookie
I was in the civil rights department at the time. We saw lots of bad shit. This was at the top, because there was no remorse at all
ConstipatedVirgin
Release the Hounds
GoodChange
How many police are needed to handle 2 people sleeping on a roof? Helicopters, surrounded by police, dogs, several levels of command #defund
AeonQuasars
Why do you even have presidential pardons if they don't have to be approved by others? Seems like the ultimate corrupt system.
DeathLemons
70 million people think this is just fine. Fuck each and every one of those people.
theguywiththevoice
Trump saw a sociopathic bully who spewed ridiculous lies about their crimes.Then he stopped looking in the mirror and pardoned this shithead
2too
lwoshea
Can anyone cite even one example of an active service police officer condemning her actions? No? Yeah, that's why people say ACAB.
ChocoladeMelkSnor
So she was imprisoned for 10 years then released. And now a few years later she gets pardoned? What are the consequences of that?
eyebrowns
I dunno. Maybe she's sending off some job applications to police departments now?
mobileimgurlags
Ive been saying it since I first heard N.W.A. say it F.T.P.
EorlundGreymane
Conservatives wonder why everyone hates cops and republican politicians and here we go with more evidence that the hate is justified
TheLastSpaceman
"Hey Sarge, we got a new dog, mind if he takes a bite?" FUCK COPS! FUCKING PIGS! ALL COPS
TheLastSpaceman
Wanna defend with "not all"? FUCK YOU TOO
polarbearbaby
If only she were to have a paralyzing stroke and her dog were to eat her...
Mithi
poor dog
cuttysark
Disgusting presidents pardon disgusting people. Seems to me that a civil case might work for the many victums.
Mercenarity
"But WTimes says it was just one bite!" https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/20/police-stephanie-mohr-deserves-presidential-pardon/
Mercenarity
(/s, just in case)
ApearImaginationMaker
He pardoned someone with a mullet, hes gone too far
HootieLaRue
That mullet. I can smell the Aqua-Net. And she matches it to the most unflattering 90's shirt I've ever seen which is saying something.
IxakaFordPrefect
Couldn’t read past the second image... it makes me sick thinking how people choose to treat others
ILovedUnicornsFirst
I know. How does human life mean so little to these people? I hurt when my kid stubs a toe, for crying out loud. They have zero empathy.
IxakaFordPrefect
Humans are doomed. Empathy and apathy are completely lost in some.
ILovedUnicornsFirst
That’s just a completely foreign concept to me. I don’t understand why. And how there are so many who don’t care at all.
muhvitus
I actually read about this case before and i wondered if he would pardon her because on the title level it sounded good...
muhvitus
... But when you read the specifics, it was clear she was guilty as hell and it was pattern of behavior. I think it's simply that Trump...
muhvitus
... Doesn't actually do anything else but read the titles, he doesn't go into specifics when making decision -> that happens.
eggmuffin
I don't believe Donald Trump can read. Not beyond the level of a first-grader.
PatrickDiomedes
even if he did read all the evidence, he probably would've pardoned her
noctynight
The president shouldn't have the power to pardon. Maybe lessen sentences, but this get out of jail free card is ridiculous.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Either that or presidential candidates need to be very closely vetted for conflicting financial interests,past criminal cases (even if they…
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weren't convicted), ethically objectionable past behavior, anti-constitutional political views, and of course mental illness & personality …
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
disorders. Ideally both. After all, Trump was given the nuclear codes too, which is even more disconcerting for the rest of the world.
todayok
There've been many many rock solid pardons and commutations righting wrongs but we're dealing with Trump here so don't expect any of those.
Madmooch
Its Monopoly in the US
cuddlesdotgif
I’m just so exhausted by the state of the world. I don’t know how much more I can take tbrh.
DontYouHateWhenAllUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken
Fuck. The. Police. This is the shit that makes people want to make it safe FROM these cunts
ChrisHemsworthsBulge
Bet the victim had to pay out of his own pocket for those 10 stitches
MickeyCallahan
I don't think he had any money IN his pockets.
Mentok
Using dogs for police work like the should be made illegal.
eggmuffin
This ain't police work. It's abuse of a skewed power dynamic.
PatrickDiomedes
My blood boils every time I see a "cute" picture of a police dog. Those dogs are mistreated and trained to brutalize people.
Yupurineutah
I was surprised to hear that the mayor of Salt Lake City of all places suspended the the entire K9 Force over a very similar case.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
If like this you mean attacking people who aren't a threat - it is. However, dogs can be tremendously useful and enjoy the work thoroughly.
Yupurineutah
And so can some of them who work forces.
OddPota2
Tracking missing persons & sniffing out drugs is reasonable. Training them to attack humans makes me think of slave catchers tbh.
Yupurineutah
Some say that's exactly what the American police forces evolved from.
JustAnotherFurry
Using K9s can save peoples lifes. A suspect may be injured by the dog, but if it can end a situation that would be too dangerous for human 1
JustAnotherFurry
operatives, it provides a less than lethal aproach. Also K9s are important tools for crowd control and can deescalate situtions. I am not 2
JustAnotherFurry
saying that the police is not abusing K9s, but that the problem is not the tool. Well trained K9 officers make everyone safer. 3/3
eggmuffin
US police have proven that they cannot be trusted with any common tools of law enforcement. Let them go unarmed. On foot.
jrabbitmusic
ShittyMcFartPoop
You need a de-Trumpification - seriously https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
mrkirksnightmare
TBF they also need a denazification
ButterfaceTaintClown
CitrusStrongman
? Don't worry guys. The new old man they voted in will sew that stripe right up.
betteegirl
STFU
CitrusStrongman
Very articulate. So cool.
teratrain
this is why i don't want people to get complacent just because they put the blue man in the big office. make him cut those tumors out.
CitrusStrongman
He won't. A real change is impossible in a system run to benefit several billionaire vampires.
lightfoot2
Isn't Trump great?
Apeofdeath
No
PervertedTango
His idea of making America great again by releasing crooks and cons is ... "fill in appreciate adjective here"
Goatjr12
75 million Americans think he's wonderful....
ijustwantacoolusernamethatisavailabletoo
Wtf these people don't deserve pardons or the right to be free.
Icantgoogle
Why did he pardon her? She doesn't look like the kind that would have tons of dirt on Donny as leverage
imonmyownside
The worst thing about Trump imo, is the amount of attention imgur gives him. I can't go 2 consecutive posts without seeing his fugly face.
TrueNorthernLights
Well you see, when a jaguar is eating your face, you tend to talk a lot about the jaguar eating your face.
kmikl
TBH, I'm okay with that. You fuckers need it drilled into you that this is ABSOLUTELY NOT NORMAL OR OKAY, that's the shit you get to /1
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TrueNorthernLights
Then stay our of current Events and browse Funny, Comics and Dogs are Great. Solved.
kmikl
/2 deal with even if you didn't vote for that stack of human shit a badly tailored suit.
Imgurian121314
Perhaps Trump's greatest accomplishment as President will be the future legislation outlawing behavior like his.
mrmeeseekslookatmee
He & his supporters are the reason we have unnecessary/specific warning labels. We assumed “don’t abuse power” didn’t need to be spelled out
HonestCommentFarmer
Then push for it. Make sure legislators can't get away with "moving on." Nuremburg wasn't a slam dunk, it took effort to make it happen.
GrandMastaCrap
I’m guessing he’ll say that was what he was doing, highlighting how easily the position can be abused and paint himself as a hero
MilesATron
Nice... there’s always a positive
JohnnyLawlessEsq
Any such statutory legislation is unlikely to stick without constitutional amendment, unfortunately.
sieg443130
WTF, get petitions going, get it done.
johnmburt1960
We URGENTLY need a Constitutional Amendment radically curtailing the powers and privileges which a President can exert without limit.
frischcode
Not saying she deserves a pardon. But she did ten years. I think the pardons without serving any time are worse miscarriages of justice.
thanatos777
She deserved so much more than ten years.
Fenwaywookie
I was in the CIVIL rights division at the time. You have no idea how there was no remorse. She was a psychopath.
frischcode
No. I got that from the article. She doesn't get the decade behind bars back. Which is something. Not enough perhaps. But something.
bayesiancuttlefish
Indeed. By pardoning her conviction. Is she eligible to be hired as a police officer again?
Flagrum
The whole concept is flawed. It's like flicking the middle finger to the legal system as whole.
johnmburt1960
I've been assuming that was the primary purpose of these pardons.
realOnYx
This racist piece of #&?!@? Should have been dropped into a wood chipper.. publicly as a warning to others. My tolerance for people ½
realOnYx
2/2 is all used up.
gandraw
what the fuck is wrong with you
chaft
The danger of mob mentality is because of people like that...
jmuije
Marginally less than is wrong with the pardonee.
realOnYx
Dude it is called sarcasm, just look it up. But hey if you are cool with having racist cops sending a trained k9 to attack unarmed ½
realOnYx
2/2 and compliant people or innocent kids in their own backyard, that does say a hell of a lot about you!
stevethegr8t
She was probably only convicted in the first place because she is a female cop. My bet is a male officer wouldn’t have been convicted.
Fenwaywookie
Bbbzzzzzzz. Wrong. Pg country got rung up a lot. She was tbe only female among them
MickeyCallahan
Her male sergeant was convicted in the same incident.
tpanyS
Guessing you're not from the US? Women tend to generally be vastly less punished in our legal system.
SmugandFurry
Yeah, let's keep the MRA whining out of this, okay? Go read up on females in male-dominated workplaces.
tpanyS
There's no "whining". It's literal statistical fact. You pretending otherwise makes you kinda look the one whining against reality.
stevethegr8t
I am from the US. And that may be true for citizens being tried. But the boys club of the police force protects the men not the women
The22ndDoctor
Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Fire up the civil lawsuits against them.
Ktraveller
I dont think one can be punished for the same thing twice
epicureanquest
criminally for the same offense you can be sued
TerriblePokemon
Hence the 2 OJ Simpson trials
SteveD31415
I'm all for bankrupting people like that, but the admission of guilt part is just plain stupid.
Svartsinn
These are people already found guilty. Do you understand that they were already tried and found guilty.
ChefCarlCasper
Being found guilty in court and admitting you are guilty are two entirely different things.
ThePixelPirate
As far as I am aware, Double Jeopardy does not apply to civil suits.
AvielMenter
A pardon is not an admission of guilt in a legal sense. See, e.g., United States v. Klein, 80 U.S. 128 (1872).
iCurse
Almost nothing is at this point. Which is good.
abion47
I don't understand why people downvote factual statements. And properly cited, no less.
pancakesplz
Except it is, United States v. Burdick, 211 F. 492 (S.D.N.Y. 1914)
Dragon10449
I thought there was a case later on in the early 1900s, after ur example happened, that changed it to mean an admission of guilt?
Dragon10449
Found it, United States v. Burdick, 211 F. 492 (S.D.N.Y. 1914). "The Supreme Court ruled in Burdick that a pardon carries 'an imputation of
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guilt, acceptance a confession of it'". Now idk if that means on the federal level or if that means a legal admission but thats the 1 I saw
pancakesplz
it is, it means you can't plead the 5th on anything related to what you were pardoned of.
Anonypuss
Isn't it when they accept the pardon? "a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt, acceptance a confession of it"
Anonypuss
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States#:~:text=until%20he%20complied.-,Decision,text%2F236%2F79%3E.
AvielMenter
See my response to Starwarsmike's comment. That's taken out of context from a case about a different issue.
Anonypuss
Follow-up: so in legalese it's not automatically a confession of guilt(?) But the conviction still stands and the pardon only removes the
Anonypuss
Jailterm/consequences?
AvielMenter
Not quite. A pardon can remove the conviction entirely. A commutation removes or reduces only the sentence.
Starwarsmike1
"This brings us to the differences between legislative immunity and a pardon. They are substantial. The latter carries an imputation of-"
AvielMenter
In other words, it's explaining that people might _assume_ factual guilt from a pardon, not that the pardon legally admits it.
Starwarsmike1
"guilt; acceptance a confession of it." Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915).
colonial31
This is a common misconception. The Burdick quote is dicta, referencing that people may be unwilling to accept a pardon because it (1/x)
colonial31
Creates the appearance of guilt. Accepting a pardon has no formal legal affect. After all, presidents often issue pardons or (2x)
AvielMenter
This is dicta explaining why a person might not want to accept a pardon, not explaining it's legal effect.
ButteredNoodleDriver
Ok now I am totally lost. I've heard it both ways with seemingly dense legalese explanations to boot
AvielMenter
1) Burdick v. United States is about whether a person has to bring up a pardon in court for it to have effect. SCOTUS said "yes".
AvielMenter
4) They're not saying that the pardon in some way amounts to a legal admission of guilt. And in fact, they've kind of said the opposite.
AvielMenter
3) In other words, all SCOTUS is doing here is explaining that a person might not accept a pardon because it makes them look guilty.
AvielMenter
5) In United States v. Klein, SCOTUS said that Congress couldn't mandate certain civil consequences for accepting a pardon.
AvielMenter
6) The reasoning was complicated, but part of the opinion suggests that you _can't_ infer guilt automatically from acceptance of a pardon.
AvielMenter
2) This mattered because Burdick didn't accept the pardon at issue. In this quote, SCOTUS was explaining why you might not want to do that.
TrumpSuxIvankastoeslikechillidogs
I thought police (and former police by extension) were immune to personal civil suits based on on-duty happenings, is that not what
FlamingDeathGoat
Qualified immunity is (meant to be) for incidental damage. Like if while chasing a murder suspect, damage your car. Not deliberate action.
AvielMenter
Honestly if the facts are as described, I'd guess that qualified immunity doesn't apply. But if there was a suit, it'd be done by now.
Liquidbullets
Only if they werent breaking the law and acting within the scope of their duty. QI doesn't protect someone who breaks the law.
nikkinikorasu
QI protects someone from breaking the law if it can be demonstrated that the officer had reasonable belief that they were acting lawfully >>
nikkinikorasu
<< There's no reason to believe sicking a K9 officer on a non-dangerous, compliant suspect was a lawful action, so definitely no QI here.
TrumpSuxIvankastoeslikechillidogs
Qualified immunity is (which needs to be removed tbh)
Dragon10449
Not removed but heavily revised/regulated. It genuinely does good when police/investigators are going after someone with serious money or
Dragon10449
Legal ties who can afford or have the means to tie up the department/investigator in frivolous legal battles or SLAPP suites. But in its
Dragon10449
Current form i 100% agree it does more harm than good. So much so that if it was an all or nothing vote I'd say it'd have to go. But it is a
Sathzur
Seeing that she went to jail for setting her police dog on people multiple times, qualified immunity doesn't apply for these cases
PastaJesus
Qualified immunity grants government officials acting in their official capacity immunity from civil action only if they don't 1/
PastaJesus
2/ clearly violate statutes or constitutional rights a reasonable person would be aware of
DreadPierateRoberts
That's what it should do. But see the current status of almost all officers that do bs
angelfixer
Ramen! Thanks Pasta Jesus
RubyPorto
The problem is that courts have interpreted that to mean "unless SCOTUS has ruled on the exact fact pattern."
PTFCMcGee
This one and the Blackwater operatives are pretty fucking awful.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
It is almost like he thinks it is ok to hurt minorities.
MaliceofTheHighestDegree
Dude I thought that was Trump with a mullet for a split second mid trip.
xSquireRamza9
Blackwater is literally a terrorist organization under US payroll. They do things the gvnmt want done but know Soldiers will refuse to do
GrumpyOldMillennial
I, for one, fully support handing them over to is is. Let Allah decide their fate. Its the Christian thing to do after all.
tirohtar
Orange Mussolini pardoning brownshirts and SS-troops. In Nuremberg he would have been sentenced to death.
HonestCommentFarmer
Not his first war criminal he pardoned either!
Dragon10449
The blackwater one is a definite war criminal but I read up on some of the others that are claimed to be & it was a lot more grey especially
Dragon10449
If u know how much the military loves a scapegoat to try and save face for higher ranking officials or to cover up something else. Look up
Dragon10449
The court martial of Captain McVay from WW2 if u want to know what I mean by scapegoat. Not a war criminal story but a tragic scapegoat one
EyeSpyABreathtakingPerson
I was gonna come say those guys deserve a mention of we're debating the worst of the worst.
D1RTYPENGU1N
Murders. Murders got pardons.
rbudrick
I still cant see how Trump benefits from some of these pardons.
McMeowmers
Child murderers
MaadMaanMaatt
Releasing literal terrorists ffs
Haidere1988
Literal war criminals*
chaft
People need to stop using labels incorrectly it devalues them and the argument
schlummi
War criminals is correct here. They are comparable to SS units which did the same with civilians.
chaft
That’s what I was saying, he corrected the guy calling them terrorists