The left is tired of seeing Democrats on ballots that twenty years ago would have been Republicans. We want the government out of people's personal lives, we want truly free speech, reasonable immigration and naturalization laws, no more military interventions, laws regulating industries, the end to Citizens United and similar laws that give corporations and big donors more power than the voters, and for the prosecution of the Epstein files. They don't deserve a vote if they don't want the same.
TBH, you don't really have leftist people. True left idealogy would be universal basic healthcare, free education , tax the rich, free entry to all immigrants, maybe even universal basic income.. You are still struggling with issues we take for granted in Europe. These trans issues are just basic human rights and you are going backwards towards oppression.
Reaching across the aisle only works if the other side is arguing in good faith and wants what's best for everyone. Until the Republicans turn away from a fascist, authoritarian takeover of our country, any Dem who sides with them should be considered one of them.
There was a time not long ago that I was willing to buy the excuse that Dems needed to appeal to the center to win. Recent years have demonstrated that such a notion is, to use an academic term, complete bullshit.
It's true. The problem is that the Overton Window is so far to the right that actual centrist views like, "Tax people who've exploited the system to make more money than the pharaoh god-kings of old and maybe make sure everyone can take time off to raise a newborn," have been replaced by relative centrist views like, "Maybe we should exile the homeless instead of letting the rich hunt them from helicopters for sport."
Dems always trying to appeal to the center is a big reason we're in this mess in the first place. They've allowed the GOPedophiles to pull the country so far right by just rolling over and letting them set the narrative.
I don't know. I think the last few years have taught me the opposite lesson; that Americans are a deeply disappointing people and that you might actually have to sometimes choose between enshrining things like trans rights and stopping actual Nazis from building a network of concentration camps and that there might not always be a third choice.
The further left they go though the more roadblocks and shit is going to be flung at them from corporations who run the media and own venues making it exponentially harder for a progressive to get in front of enough eyeballs to matter and they have to have a squeaky clean record as the slander campaigns of modern politics are super effective unfortunately.
Even if it isn't bullshit I'm past the point of caring. I will not vote for people who will actively vote against the betterment of others. If you think any one person in this country is not equal to everyone else then pack your shit and gtfo.
It’s also so mind numbingly stupid to be “center” when there’s two opposing ideologies like… hmm, I hate minorities but I’m also pro choice! I can’t decide!
That is literally what my parents still sound like except they keep voting for Trump bc they were “raised conservative.” Im done talking to them, they sound like fucking idiots but they did a decent job raising me at least- so I’m not a total fool. Fuck.
I think that idea is still completely valid. It's just that the true center is currently pretty far left of our current position. What the powers-that-be are calling "center" is actually somewhere between moderate-right and far-right.
Eh, the center is always going to be right leaning even in a fully represented political compass. The reason for that is that there is no middleground between the two core principles of "everyone is equal" and "some people are inherently better". No matter who that group of betters is, be it white people, the rich, a king, it will always lead to inequality and slowly exacerbate them. And the centrists always think they're part of the betters and try to improve their own lot at the cost of others
That is likely true, but I still believe that heading towards the 'ever-so-slightly-right" is FAR more preferable to what we have now. A "Stop the bleeding now; deal with the chronic infection later" sort of thing.
SomeDetroitGuy
Good. Fuck them.
Sunshine12345
The left is tired of seeing Democrats on ballots that twenty years ago would have been Republicans. We want the government out of people's personal lives, we want truly free speech, reasonable immigration and naturalization laws, no more military interventions, laws regulating industries, the end to Citizens United and similar laws that give corporations and big donors more power than the voters, and for the prosecution of the Epstein files. They don't deserve a vote if they don't want the same.
ChosenChaos
This is a good start but now you have to vote for the progressive candidates in the general election so that the party gets the message loud and clear
cheeriossuckbecause7
They got what they deserved. Liberals in this country are now no more than fascists that are afraid of the title.
djangojazz
General election will most likely be fixed. But primaries like this are showing that people are sick of the bigotry of the right.
Rascael
insist that the party must shift to the right on topics like trans athletes in order to chase moderate and conservative voters. FUCK THAT..
liquidriddle
Take note, Gavin Newsom
ButtBot9900
Good
maas2908
yay!
SJBSavageInk
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ironiclast
hsalonen3000
TBH, you don't really have leftist people. True left idealogy would be universal basic healthcare, free education , tax the rich, free entry to all immigrants, maybe even universal basic income.. You are still struggling with issues we take for granted in Europe. These trans issues are just basic human rights and you are going backwards towards oppression.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Good.
ShinoXIII
hessians4hire
It's a primary. I wouldn't read into it too much.
RevolutionOnHerLips
jesus you must be fun at parties
FelonyRaptor
GOOD. Now do more.
Zorklunn
If only 1 out of 4 people who haven't voted, actually voted, not a single republican would be elected. Don't believe me? Do the math yourself.
instead of getting more people to vote, establishment democrats put all their effort into attracting conservative voters.
Isn't there something about doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting different results?
cousteau
GOOD. Fuck the DINOs.
magus200342
Good. Now they just need a literal boot as well as the metaphorical one.
PapaJoeNH
Fuck yeah
fearTheAnimal
Reaching across the aisle only works if the other side is arguing in good faith and wants what's best for everyone. Until the Republicans turn away from a fascist, authoritarian takeover of our country, any Dem who sides with them should be considered one of them.
TorrentialUpPour
There's really no turning back for the Republicans at this point. Once a party of fascists, always a party of fascists. You can't wash out that stain
ImAWeirdMom
Colleageus. How hard is spell checking this many words?
RuricOrhlandis
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TheEvenPrez
To anyone that says the left needs to appeal to moderates kindly fuck off.
Every report you can find says the layman is tired of half measure bullshit
BubblesTheFish
We are going to close the border and have the most lethal fighting force in the world! -Woman who lost to an orange clown
ShearingBlizzard
We'll have to drag them into a brighter future kicking and screaming.
BenjyX55
There was a time not long ago that I was willing to buy the excuse that Dems needed to appeal to the center to win. Recent years have demonstrated that such a notion is, to use an academic term, complete bullshit.
Sensiblyinteresting
When you tolerate the right it only makes them worse.
VikingsAreNinjaPirates
It's true. The problem is that the Overton Window is so far to the right that actual centrist views like, "Tax people who've exploited the system to make more money than the pharaoh god-kings of old and maybe make sure everyone can take time off to raise a newborn," have been replaced by relative centrist views like, "Maybe we should exile the homeless instead of letting the rich hunt them from helicopters for sport."
PresldentClef
Now lets see if america can bring itself to vote for a woman of color, and see if the center is needed or not. :<
medimr
Dems always trying to appeal to the center is a big reason we're in this mess in the first place. They've allowed the GOPedophiles to pull the country so far right by just rolling over and letting them set the narrative.
HitandRyan
It failed 2 out of 3 elections against Trump. Biden won in 2020 because Trump botched COVID.
rossimus
I don't know. I think the last few years have taught me the opposite lesson; that Americans are a deeply disappointing people and that you might actually have to sometimes choose between enshrining things like trans rights and stopping actual Nazis from building a network of concentration camps and that there might not always be a third choice.
I hate this place.
StellarJay77
The further left they go though the more roadblocks and shit is going to be flung at them from corporations who run the media and own venues making it exponentially harder for a progressive to get in front of enough eyeballs to matter and they have to have a squeaky clean record as the slander campaigns of modern politics are super effective unfortunately.
martineb72
I don't mind if Dems have slightly different opinions of politics, but a person's life and their rights aren't a matter of politics.
Erumun
"meet me in the center" *takes two steps back*
Dracology
I have no idea how it applies to the general election. but within the dem party appealing to the center is how you get your ass rocked.
Jewdakris
Even if it isn't bullshit I'm past the point of caring. I will not vote for people who will actively vote against the betterment of others. If you think any one person in this country is not equal to everyone else then pack your shit and gtfo.
Animorphs
It’s also so mind numbingly stupid to be “center” when there’s two opposing ideologies like… hmm, I hate minorities but I’m also pro choice! I can’t decide!
Me1iss0
That is literally what my parents still sound like except they keep voting for Trump bc they were “raised conservative.” Im done talking to them, they sound like fucking idiots but they did a decent job raising me at least- so I’m not a total fool. Fuck.
Vortexhelios320
I think that idea is still completely valid. It's just that the true center is currently pretty far left of our current position. What the powers-that-be are calling "center" is actually somewhere between moderate-right and far-right.
neithermenoryou
Eh, the center is always going to be right leaning even in a fully represented political compass. The reason for that is that there is no middleground between the two core principles of "everyone is equal" and "some people are inherently better". No matter who that group of betters is, be it white people, the rich, a king, it will always lead to inequality and slowly exacerbate them. And the centrists always think they're part of the betters and try to improve their own lot at the cost of others
Vortexhelios320
That is likely true, but I still believe that heading towards the 'ever-so-slightly-right" is FAR more preferable to what we have now. A "Stop the bleeding now; deal with the chronic infection later" sort of thing.