But smoking is awesome. I don't smoke much (maybe 2-3 a day) and always away from others/downwind. But goddamn I love it. I get why others hate it, I do. But I'd argue my pack a week habit is doing much less damage than others' 18hr a day phone/social media addiction. And SM is far more dangerous to all of us than my few cigs are - so stfu and let me have my thing
The power of a good presentation is that even dumb people can understand it. His presentation failed in that the dumb people understood the wrong message and the smart people are mostly like "meh, that's it?"
It's a public speaking club and he's doing a contest. So he's not trying to convince people of anything, just trying to win a contest on style. Content is not graded, or at least it wasn't when I was a part of it.
Devil is in the details, as with anything. More people die of diabetes, yes, your DNA can determine you to be more likely to develop cancer yes. But we also have drastically lowered the amount of people smoking. Less people die from smoking, because less people are smoking. Can't die from smoking, if you don't smoke.
No one is allowed to smoke in public anymore, at least in my state. Furthermore, every cigarette increases the risk by a small amount, sure, But that amount is so small that 1 or 2 cigarettes in a year pales in comparison to the effects of air pollution.
As soon as he mentioned the DNA bit, I knew something had to be up, because in a research methods class I took, that exact argument was brought up as a confound that was constantly used by tobacco execs against research on the health effects of smoking. Those nightmare machines where hundreds of mice are forced to huff cigarettes were developed because it was the only way to prove that smoking increased the risk of lung cancer above and beyond what would be expected from genetic factors alone.
Basically for years it was this: "Smoking causes cancer!" "Okay, but what if those people were just genetically predisposed and would've gotten cancer no matter what?" Eventually, scientists did more research and shot back with "Well we made hundreds of mice smoke cigarettes, controlling for genetic factors, and cancer rates were much higher there compared to the hundreds of non-smoking mice with comparable genetics." After that, it became much harder to sweep away.
I was about to start writing a huge reply that all of those points he was making were bullshit, but then he said it at the end. Smoking kills. All forms of tobacco are bad for you. Sugar is not great for you in large amounts either.
Mistakes happen. My sincerest condolences. It s hard to lose people important in our lives. Especially if there is too much room for what ifs and their going seems untimely. May you find peace and rest in your journey through this loss.
certainlynotaserialkiller
here is also a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY55MXoKqlA
OrangeFlavours
Spoiler alert for those who are about to comment or skip the post: He says he made it up at the end of the video.
Dannoboyo
12h ago via Web
Spoiler alert for those who are about to comment or skip the post: He says he made it up at the end of the video.
nitemayr
Toastmasters..... just Scientology without the religion.
LebistusReticulatis
Don’t smoke. Lost half my family that way. Cancer is not a fun way to die
Wiamond
Sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwbI8VOsDTo
SpiderTrike2000
Y'all didn't watch the whole thing did you..
Fn0rd
The whole speech is brilliant. Worth a watch. Unfortunately I don’t have the link, but googling „English speeches“ and his name should do the trick.
9z2nf02h
When you forgot to grow out of debate club.
ThailandExpress
Ih8thisSoMuch
But smoking is awesome. I don't smoke much (maybe 2-3 a day) and always away from others/downwind. But goddamn I love it. I get why others hate it, I do. But I'd argue my pack a week habit is doing much less damage than others' 18hr a day phone/social media addiction. And SM is far more dangerous to all of us than my few cigs are - so stfu and let me have my thing
tooomanystevesgotbanned
FAIL. Didn't specify if he was referring to Type 1 (genetic) or Type 2 (lifestyle) diabetes.
WildKitty
The power of a good presentation is that even dumb people can understand it. His presentation failed in that the dumb people understood the wrong message and the smart people are mostly like "meh, that's it?"
DianNaoChong
Yeah as soon as he attributed diabetes to eating candy I went oh no eject eject
nagesagi
It's a public speaking club and he's doing a contest. So he's not trying to convince people of anything, just trying to win a contest on style. Content is not graded, or at least it wasn't when I was a part of it.
Havengrad
Devil is in the details, as with anything. More people die of diabetes, yes, your DNA can determine you to be more likely to develop cancer yes. But we also have drastically lowered the amount of people smoking. Less people die from smoking, because less people are smoking. Can't die from smoking, if you don't smoke.
SonnyVabitch
Fewer people die of second hand smoking as well.
theskepticinme
What were the stats 30 years ago?
ThisUserNameIsReallyLoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Citation needed
sambaah05
Watch the full video.
MyBigMouth
Here you go
Throwawayheyya
To be fair, he did cite his sources.
Crowlands
Same one used by a famed US navy veteran and American senator.
pistacher
It's because smoking stinks
Kbantar
No such thing as second hand diabetes/
MapleSyrupMafia
I beg to disagree... what if you keep feeding me cakes?
TeeweeAndSmashboy
Exactly, he starts with a disingenuous proposition.
ConsumerOfStories
RhymingEverything
Sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwbI8VOsDTo
grumpabeme
Had me for more than the first half, not gonna lie
ArthurT
Litaerlly obligatory.
Lurch1911
lonelyrangerofthedreams
You eat a cake, you can get diabete. You smoke a sigarette, WE can have cancer. It’s not the same.
fastjeff
You share the cake, you can get friends. You share a cigarette, you can get mono.
Einstein9073
No one is allowed to smoke in public anymore, at least in my state. Furthermore, every cigarette increases the risk by a small amount, sure, But that amount is so small that 1 or 2 cigarettes in a year pales in comparison to the effects of air pollution.
memedrift2410
Also, you must eat. You don't need to smoke.
VodkaReindeer
Didn't your mother ever tell you to finish your cigarette before leaving the table?
alwaysthecheesegrater
But if you smoke, you feel like eating less.
Kbantar
Most people can have some cake some times without increased risk of diabetes. Any smoking increases risk of cancer.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
I think their point was that me eating cake doesn't put YOU at risk of diabetes.
alwaysthecheesegrater
Then get off my lawn you weirdo, I don't know you.
Saxytimes
He made up the arguments. I think we're missing an important second part of the speech
GiantSquanchy
VinchVolt
As soon as he mentioned the DNA bit, I knew something had to be up, because in a research methods class I took, that exact argument was brought up as a confound that was constantly used by tobacco execs against research on the health effects of smoking. Those nightmare machines where hundreds of mice are forced to huff cigarettes were developed because it was the only way to prove that smoking increased the risk of lung cancer above and beyond what would be expected from genetic factors alone.
VinchVolt
Basically for years it was this: "Smoking causes cancer!" "Okay, but what if those people were just genetically predisposed and would've gotten cancer no matter what?" Eventually, scientists did more research and shot back with "Well we made hundreds of mice smoke cigarettes, controlling for genetic factors, and cancer rates were much higher there compared to the hundreds of non-smoking mice with comparable genetics." After that, it became much harder to sweep away.
jimmythehat1
I was about to start writing a huge reply that all of those points he was making were bullshit, but then he said it at the end. Smoking kills. All forms of tobacco are bad for you. Sugar is not great for you in large amounts either.
Tommyknockerman
woozle
yeah well, my mom died last week from cancer induced by smoking. so, get fucked
Iamcornjulio
You just proved his point on the dangers of misinformation. You heard only what you wanted to hear.
woozle
I commented that my gut reaction because of my own pain caused me to not make it through. That's my mistake.
Crowlands
That is one of the most mature responses I've seen on the internet in a Very long time.
Hemelsblauw
We all do that. The fact that you recognise that is the important part. I'm sorry for your loss.
woozle
thanks for understanding.
Escapist83
At the end he says he made it all up
woozle
oh, good. My emotions are all screwed. My bad for not getting all of it. :/
monkeybasketball
I’m so sorry about your mom.
KafkasKarma
Mistakes happen. My sincerest condolences. It s hard to lose people important in our lives. Especially if there is too much room for what ifs and their going seems untimely.
May you find peace and rest in your journey through this loss.
Vallete
woozle
thanks. it's needed.