You people and your soft ground... that's so sweet. Now do that in caliche. Friggin' bends over the point on your post-hole digger. I usually hit the hole with a hammer drill and a ling bit 1st.
A quality steering wheel lock is a better go to tbh. Not many people want to try using an angle grinder in the cabin of a car..the noise and smoke is one thing, but super likely they'll trigger the airbag too if they try it - plus you can use it when you park in places that aren't your house
Oh, look at Mr. Fancy Paver Outer Taker thingie. Real men use screwdrivers, a hammer, a bent metal thingamajig they had in the shed and several broken off fingernails to get the job done.
As a structural engineer, I do not approve of the method of mixing concrete. It should be mixed correctly before putting into the hole. Otherwise you will have voids and seams that moisture and thermal contraction and expansion will exploit over the next few years. In other words it will be crumbling shite in about 4-5 years.
It's a good thing this is not "structural" cement. It's Quikcrete or some similar product made just for this purpose. And I have about 15 fence posts in my yard, about 20 years old, that disproves your "crumbling shite" comment.
I do that method of using concrete for temporary wood posts. Its good for a couple of years then the post could sway right or left. Again I do it so its easy to remove later.
As a structural engineer you haven’t been instructed on quickrete or other products like it that are specifically formulated to be used in this way. And you haven’t seen the need to continuously educate yourself beyond your college degree when you see something like this to investigate whether this actually does work and is an accepted and feasible way to set a non-structural post.
Not sure how youre a structural engineer and dont know about postcrete, given structural engineers spend a whole lot of time on concrete formulations. Do you expect someone putting up a fence to run a slump test?
So just like the United States? 4-5 years is optimistic lol
But no, jokes aside I’ve seen this method used successfully on many job sites. Just nothing structural. And ya odds are someone is going to bump into it before it’s foundation is a problem.
The gravel on top, in a clay base, will act as a drain, ensuring plenty of moisture gets in to harden the concrete... And rust the equipment. As the low spot, surrounded by paving sand, it will soak up all the moisture
Builder here. I actually pour cement, do the actual work, and what I do must pass inspection. That being said, you don't know what you're talking about. A chemical engineer came up with this cement made for posts that require no mixing at all. You can mix it if you like, but it's not necessary, per the directions. Here are the manufacturers' directions. Unless you recommend not following the directions made by the engineers? https://www.quikrete.com/athome/video-setting-posts.asp
I just follow the directions as the manufacturer has established for the product. Because I don't clam to know more about the product than the chemical engineers who made the product.
Ignorant comment by an educated person indicating the gap between educated and uneducated (who are educated, just specialized and not recognized) today.
Not all concrete is the same and this is being "mixed properly" for the purpose it's being used.
Technically, they should have filled the whole with water first, then pour in the Postcrete, for it to be mixed properly to the manufacturer instructions
"Ignorant comment by an educated person indicating the gap between educated and uneducated (who are educated, just specialized and not recognized) today."
I want to make a comment of my own but I mean, what can you add to it? It's a masterpiece of stupid in a single sentence.
I've reread this to see if I made a typo which would change the meaning. Not seeing anything that doesn't make sense to my brain (and apparently a significant amount of others based on the votes). However your comment also has a decent number of votes as well.
So, what part of my comment screams "stupid" to you? Clearly there is a gap here since we have opposing views but both popular.
My point is that there is a massive divide right now where neither side of the education gap /1
Recognizes the value of the other side's knowledge. In this case, the educated person is demonstrating a massive lack of worldly knowledge while still technically correct.
You really don't even need to add water. The quickrete will absorb ground moisture on its own. Around western PA anyway, a lot of ground water here. In Arizona, I wouldn't risk it. Lol
It's called a dry pour. It works but is not nearly as strong as mixing cement the proper way. It's suitable for fence posts and non-structural things. I personally wouldn't use it anywhere I wanted something to last for a very long time, or if it had structural requirements.
It's a special concrete mix type, with no need to pre-mix. It sets in about 10 minutes. The result is a brittle lump of concrete that doesn't have much adhesion, but for posts that's usually all you really need, as the lump has nowhere to go inside of the hole you dug. PS: This method doesn't work well with normal concrete.
Seconded, great for posts/fenceposts since you really are just looking for a heavy lump that adheres to the post. And the lump is supported on all sides anyway. Anything that needs to hold more of its structure on its own would fail horribly with this method.
I've learnt online that this is pretty popular in some countries, and while it isn't as strong as pre-mixing it can work well enough in some applications. But I still don't really get it most of the time. For small batches like this, e.g., you can just mix it in a wheelbarrow.
Why settle for an inferior product if it's not really saving you all that much work?
Mixing and cleaning are two steps that both individually take longer than dumping a bag into a hole. That's quite a bit of a time and labor savings over the course of a work day. If you're only ever digging one hole in your life, by all means, be as extra as you like.
It works surprisingly well. Just don't use it for important things like foundation. Water has a knack of getting into every nook and cranny and so long as quikrete gets hydrated, it'll solidify
Depending on the location I feel like “anchoring a security barricade” might also be important, although this one doesn’t look like a particularly strong/secure model to begin with.
It's mostly about direction of force applied. Since a car isn't going to hit the top and fly away, it means that whatever direction it hits it has to lever out more than 2 cubic feet of ground. It'll do just fine.
Those are not designed to keep a dedicated assault out. They are a deterrent. And with most normal cars it will pretty costly for someone who tries to dive through it, even if they are not that securely planted in the ground.
See if this helps. Concrete is water permeable, even to some extent when dry. So the water will wick and pull through all of it, as long as you add enough water. You can YouTube dry pour concrete as well and people are even using it for slabs.
“QUIKRETE® Fast-Setting Concrete Mix (No. 1004) is a special blend of fast-setting cements, sand and gravel designed to set hard in approx. 20 to 40 minutes. Sets posts without mixing. Pour dry mix into hole and soak with water.”
Yeah, like I’m gonna make a giant mess mixing up a bunch of fucking concrete just to set a mailbox. Pour it in the hole. Done. Not super worried about the structural integrity of my mailbox.
Unfortunately some people actually enjoy driving and want something sporty, fun, and attractive to thieves (me). But you can also theft-proof your car simply by buying one with a manual transmission. But just to be safe, I also bought a $30 Samsung smart tag and hid it in the car.
It's a security barrier. We've had a few cars stolen in my area recently (keyless entry types, usually Range Rovers). A few people have installed them in their drives, and I was considering it myself.
Wouldn't it be more convenient to buy a lock for your steering wheel ? So you have a way to prevent your car from being stolen even if it's not parked at the safe spot ?
I do have that, again it's probably more a visual deterrent. I was going for belt and braces. Can also keep my horse trailer safe too. The buggers will get your car if they really want it, just want to make it harder so they move on.
Thankfully not got one, our Kuga pulls the horse trailer just fine. I've seen that some are uninsurable, even from Range Rover's own insurance company.
I was looking at the ones you padlock in place as well as having integral lock. It's more a deterrent as they will just go to the next house along. I don't and wouldn't have a Range Rover, but being semi rural and lots of people moving from London, they all think they need a big 4x4.
It's just such a weird comment and even weirder that you're having a fit about it. It looks similar to countless other things that it clearly is not. Do you walk around all day pointing things out to people telling them that this thing looks similar to ______?
Proximity keys are a gift to car thieves. So now people install telescoping steel posts in their driveways, which they have to operate every time they go out, rather than suffer the inconvenience of turning a key in the ignition.
The inconvenience is taking the key out of your pocket... and with the advent of phone key, even carrying it in your pocket. The real easy solution is pin-to-drive. No key needed, and still nothing in your pocket and can just leave home with your phone and nothing else. Plus if someone wants to move or borrow your car, you can just tell them the pin.
Meanwhile, I have to remove 2 locks on my motorbike and 5 locks on two gates to get my bike out, then put all my protective gear on, and my car has a battery drain problem at the moment, so I have to connect/disconnect the battery when I come to use it. Basically I've made it as inconvenient as possible lol.
Why not put the keys in an anti proximity box or on an anti proximity wall like the rfid blocker in my wallet surely something akin should exist if you live in a card board house that has this not built in tbw
Still have keys inside the fob as a fallback on the doors though. Fob in proximity acts like a starter together with the brake pedal, so really no need for a start button either. Depends on the brand i guess, but think that's the direction things are going.
CaptSchmidtGaming
Solid Post
Clayman8
For a lot less, you can just set down a claymore and an amazon box over it.
TheIronPenguin
Shouldn't the top plate rest on top of the pavers?
dcostanza1
Yes. And you can't mix cement in place. This won't last.
Timmysteve
what is going on with that title?
stouffer
Titling the the title with a new title to title.
SkyHighInc
That's a great hole.
KnaveOfSwords
Thank you for putting those last two pieces. I could feel myself starting to be disturbed by those little empty spots around it.
Tarmaccian
Just don’t think about the fact that the metal post has a flange on top, so there’s a big void all around where the bricks aren’t.
A better installation would be to slide the bricks in from the side, then drop a ring of bricks around it.
WammoJammo
Nice where there is no snow and ice.
RedLemonSlice
Wow... must be really nice living somewhere not in the mountain away from rivers where are zero rocks and boulders in the ground...
Akseptance
Instructions unclear. Dug a new poop hole.
TheOhioGuy
Nice work!
nightripper
Nah.
Zan11
Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!
oldguyexlurker
You people and your soft ground... that's so sweet. Now do that in caliche. Friggin' bends over the point on your post-hole digger. I usually hit the hole with a hammer drill and a ling bit 1st.
TeddyMoment
Nice post
AbeFromanSausageKingOfChicago
MarcoPoloOnPollo
amp99
supervillin
Oh thank god I thought that was going to go very differently.
TurboCartoonSmuggler
A quality steering wheel lock is a better go to tbh. Not many people want to try using an angle grinder in the cabin of a car..the noise and smoke is one thing, but super likely they'll trigger the airbag too if they try it - plus you can use it when you park in places that aren't your house
Philme
I couldnt dig 6inches without hitting massive rocks.
dghughes
Or roots.
erinaceus
that looks like something i could push over with my cobalt
pak0chu
Give it a week before someone reverses in that post
dripstone
wow. Not a single rock while digging that hole. Must be nice...
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
I'm guessing this is for a car? How easy is it for the thief to just lower it again?
Hexidimentional
it locks in place, there's a keyhole if you pause the video when its extended
Bigragu63
I refuse to believe that the ground was that free
IdRatherBeOnThePlaystation
Honest question, could you plant a tree the same way?
joepineapplesindrag
Yes but you'd need concrete with a much higher mpa
Huttulungaronk
But why in 45° ? It would have been so much better following the rectangle.
PPlank
I started to chuckle when I saw how easy it was to dig that hole. You'd need a drill on my property.
Nemacol
I am only bothered that this thing had a flange to cover cracks and was installed first and bricks put around it.
CgnCalling
Oh, look at Mr. Fancy Paver Outer Taker thingie. Real men use screwdrivers, a hammer, a bent metal thingamajig they had in the shed and several broken off fingernails to get the job done.
DiarmuidRyan
As a structural engineer, I do not approve of the method of mixing concrete. It should be mixed correctly before putting into the hole. Otherwise you will have voids and seams that moisture and thermal contraction and expansion will exploit over the next few years. In other words it will be crumbling shite in about 4-5 years.
BARP
https://housepractical.com/how-use-postcrete-what-for/
beetlenoodlepoodlebottlespaddledmuddledduddledfuddledfoxinsocks
I am not a structural engineer, but it bothered me too. Good to know that my Spidey Sense isn't completely off.
Strangedays2024
Doubt they expect more than 1-1.5 years, until some idiot runs into it.
ChrisCorona
It's a good thing this is not "structural" cement. It's Quikcrete or some similar product made just for this purpose. And I have about 15 fence posts in my yard, about 20 years old, that disproves your "crumbling shite" comment.
Velorex
I do that method of using concrete for temporary wood posts. Its good for a couple of years then the post could sway right or left. Again I do it so its easy to remove later.
GoldTeef4ErrBody
In UK we have this post cement which is used exactly like this - as a normie not an engineer
Sesquey
As a shitposter, I can’t speak to this concrete quality.
Cutwail
That's post mix, it's supposed to be used like that, i'm pretty sure the industry know better than one structural engineer on imgur.
shorey66
It's postcrete and is being used exactly as it should be
migratingotter
As a structural engineer you haven’t been instructed on quickrete or other products like it that are specifically formulated to be used in this way. And you haven’t seen the need to continuously educate yourself beyond your college degree when you see something like this to investigate whether this actually does work and is an accepted and feasible way to set a non-structural post.
chansuke
Not sure how youre a structural engineer and dont know about postcrete, given structural engineers spend a whole lot of time on concrete formulations. Do you expect someone putting up a fence to run a slump test?
WillemHellfire
They're using postrete or quikrete for the job just to annoy you, ese. ;)
PupShadowDMcTaggart
So just like the United States? 4-5 years is optimistic lol
But no, jokes aside I’ve seen this method used successfully on many job sites. Just nothing structural. And ya odds are someone is going to bump into it before it’s foundation is a problem.
wizzlewuzzle
As a structural engineer, I’m sure it will be strong enough for its intended purpose.
kurvarVillain
The gravel on top, in a clay base, will act as a drain, ensuring plenty of moisture gets in to harden the concrete... And rust the equipment. As the low spot, surrounded by paving sand, it will soak up all the moisture
ThoroughBurrow
As a dentist, I concur
senseicombs
Builder here. I actually pour cement, do the actual work, and what I do must pass inspection. That being said, you don't know what you're talking about. A chemical engineer came up with this cement made for posts that require no mixing at all. You can mix it if you like, but it's not necessary, per the directions. Here are the manufacturers' directions. Unless you recommend not following the directions made by the engineers?
https://www.quikrete.com/athome/video-setting-posts.asp
thePyromanic
I'll go by a professional who has on the job experience, that's really interesting for me.
senseicombs
I just follow the directions as the manufacturer has established for the product. Because I don't clam to know more about the product than the chemical engineers who made the product.
thePyromanic
That's more than a lot of other commenters know.
Frederf
Engineers make things cheap and good enough (tm), not good
FinancialRavioli
Bean counters make things cheap and on the edge of good enough.
Frederf
No, bean counters direct engineers to do their job which is to (above)
FinancialRavioli
Nah, bean counters decide what the engineer's job is to do. Engineers don't like designing cheap things.
Nsturge
Engineers make everything
Frederf
Engineers make designs, a distinct subset of everything
kinarism
Ignorant comment by an educated person indicating the gap between educated and uneducated (who are educated, just specialized and not recognized) today.
Not all concrete is the same and this is being "mixed properly" for the purpose it's being used.
AlHarrington
Technically, they should have filled the whole with water first, then pour in the Postcrete, for it to be mixed properly to the manufacturer instructions
bamblebimble
Watch the video again after reading the instructions. They did exactly what was required
shardix
"Ignorant comment by an educated person indicating the gap between educated and uneducated (who are educated, just specialized and not recognized) today."
I want to make a comment of my own but I mean, what can you add to it? It's a masterpiece of stupid in a single sentence.
terifrastus
youre an asshole and not the fun kind
kinarism
I've reread this to see if I made a typo which would change the meaning. Not seeing anything that doesn't make sense to my brain (and apparently a significant amount of others based on the votes). However your comment also has a decent number of votes as well.
So, what part of my comment screams "stupid" to you? Clearly there is a gap here since we have opposing views but both popular.
My point is that there is a massive divide right now where neither side of the education gap /1
kinarism
Recognizes the value of the other side's knowledge. In this case, the educated person is demonstrating a massive lack of worldly knowledge while still technically correct.
Lowland
I have never seen anybody mixen water and cement that way
theskirrid
#justpostcretethings
michBeast
People do that dry pour... Not compareable to properly mixed concrete, but for stuff like fences, its ok enough.
BurnieCinders
I normally fill the hole with water then pour quickset in, but only for fence posts.
themobileappisbroken
It's rapid set.
Just add water.
Brittanicus1
You really don't even need to add water. The quickrete will absorb ground moisture on its own. Around western PA anyway, a lot of ground water here. In Arizona, I wouldn't risk it. Lol
Pokegeologist
Become one with the caliche. Might as well be concrete on its own.
CgnCalling
Quick-Crete
mammoth1
it's a special type of cement made for fence posts. in the UK it's called postcrete, and you do use it just like that. it sets in around 5 minutes.
SlickWithaLimerick
That's how most signposts are installed. It's just not a trick you would want to use for anything structural.
mjperk
It's called a dry pour. It works but is not nearly as strong as mixing cement the proper way. It's suitable for fence posts and non-structural things. I personally wouldn't use it anywhere I wanted something to last for a very long time, or if it had structural requirements.
AngelBunny8888
There's a product in the UK called poatcrete and the instructions are to pour in dry, add water, hardens really fast to.
WrongUn
*postcrete
stouffer
*aftercrete
highisophotography
I’ve done way too much flatwork to feel confident this will work! But I know the fence guys swear by it 🤣
ioscius
with good reason!
Rumandpuppies
Postcrete. Good stuff
Watchoutwherethehuskiesgo
For that type of work you can even use no water at all. It will absorb moisture from ground and set.
NarratesTheDarkerStory
Nuh uh... No way.... Shut up..... You're lying ...... ope, it's true. Crazy!
capecoder
This is how I did it when installing a mailbox post. It dries quick. Just make sure to stir it a bit like they do.
subparsubpoena
It's a special concrete mix type, with no need to pre-mix. It sets in about 10 minutes. The result is a brittle lump of concrete that doesn't have much adhesion, but for posts that's usually all you really need, as the lump has nowhere to go inside of the hole you dug.
PS: This method doesn't work well with normal concrete.
Richter12x2
A lot of dry pour concrete enthusiasts would disagree.
ManByTechnicality
Seconded, great for posts/fenceposts since you really are just looking for a heavy lump that adheres to the post. And the lump is supported on all sides anyway. Anything that needs to hold more of its structure on its own would fail horribly with this method.
Bovisstercus
I've learnt online that this is pretty popular in some countries, and while it isn't as strong as pre-mixing it can work well enough in some applications. But I still don't really get it most of the time. For small batches like this, e.g., you can just mix it in a wheelbarrow.
Why settle for an inferior product if it's not really saving you all that much work?
dopaminelever
Because good enough is enough
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Mixing and cleaning are two steps that both individually take longer than dumping a bag into a hole. That's quite a bit of a time and labor savings over the course of a work day. If you're only ever digging one hole in your life, by all means, be as extra as you like.
DontTellMeWhatToDoBawbags
It's not inferior, it's designed for this application. Postcrete: https://tarmac-bluecircle.co.uk/products/concrete/postcrete/
OldBikerDude
Works very well for posts
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
I noticed! 1275 upvotes so far.
thispleasesimhotep
i did about 20 posts this summer this way
OldBikerDude
That is primarily what I have used it for, fencing
Imustupvotealltacos
It works surprisingly well. Just don't use it for important things like foundation. Water has a knack of getting into every nook and cranny and so long as quikrete gets hydrated, it'll solidify
Juni0220
"Dont use for important things" doesnt sound like it works quite as well as you say
abtei
can't hear you over the sound of the heavy machinery here building a skyscraper
jqubed
Depending on the location I feel like “anchoring a security barricade” might also be important, although this one doesn’t look like a particularly strong/secure model to begin with.
SarcasticComment
probably more of a "no unofficial cars in the park" situation than trying to "protect a crowded space from terrorism".
Richter12x2
It's mostly about direction of force applied. Since a car isn't going to hit the top and fly away, it means that whatever direction it hits it has to lever out more than 2 cubic feet of ground. It'll do just fine.
Quixus
Those are not designed to keep a dedicated assault out. They are a deterrent. And with most normal cars it will pretty costly for someone who tries to dive through it, even if they are not that securely planted in the ground.
JanCicvarek
It is doable with vibrator
JoeMangoJello
Lowland
Lots of things are doable with vibrators
LeftRightThere
Does the post have hysteria?
turdswindler9000
👈 +1
TorrentialUpPour
Not anymore
ahorseelbowdeepinme
Your mom
imsam77
I’ve seen it online, but I don’t get it. The bags say you can too I think, but again it doesn’t quite make sense…
Richter12x2
See if this helps. Concrete is water permeable, even to some extent when dry. So the water will wick and pull through all of it, as long as you add enough water. You can YouTube dry pour concrete as well and people are even using it for slabs.
imsam77
“QUIKRETE® Fast-Setting Concrete Mix (No. 1004) is a special blend of fast-setting cements, sand and gravel designed to set hard in approx. 20 to 40 minutes. Sets posts without mixing. Pour dry mix into hole and soak with water.”
Tuskaruho
Soak with wood
jollyca
Mind blow, I'll see if it's available around here (Europe)
YouMayFindThisMildlyInteresting
The above video is Europe
GoddamnitClown
It is. In English it will be called something like "post mix" (as in fence post), and probably say things like "fast setting", or "no mixing".
RadiDaddy
Even an idiot like me can use it to install a mailbox post. Great stuff.
Quixus
you mean fill a hollow mailbox post with it?
RadiDaddy
The post is a solid 4x4. The Quikrete goes in the hole around it.
InoffensivePablum
Yeah, like I’m gonna make a giant mess mixing up a bunch of fucking concrete just to set a mailbox. Pour it in the hole. Done. Not super worried about the structural integrity of my mailbox.
drduffer
What? No rebar?
pr3viso
Drive an old car nobody wants
CoolButAnyway
or asshole neighbors park their shitbucket on your driveway.
Fait
my dads old car got stolen for a robbery 🤷 he wanted it
anonymous
Unfortunately some people actually enjoy driving and want something sporty, fun, and attractive to thieves (me). But you can also theft-proof your car simply by buying one with a manual transmission. But just to be safe, I also bought a $30 Samsung smart tag and hid it in the car.
MapleSyrupMafia
The key (modified stock key into a screwdriver handle) was always in my '95 Corolla, no one ever stole it. Not exactly sure why!
pr3viso
See? No problem.
ronnyhugo
lol a norwegian rap group got a song about that car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INvE0P-pHYA
pr3viso
It is tragic indeed when an old Toyota dies
Trastion
But why?
corylusavellana
There is a surprising amount of vehicle theft in the UK, for motorcycles it is just silly.
corylusavellana
Though some people are incredibly petty and just don't want people turning around on their driveways.
Hexidimentional
might be theft, could just be assholes parking in his driveway
Omegasaurus
Can't you read? Securing the driveway with a new security to install!
Kikijoe67
He lives in a place where they will steal your vehicle from your driveway. Raise these up to prevent that from happening.
KipperFillets
It's a security barrier. We've had a few cars stolen in my area recently (keyless entry types, usually Range Rovers). A few people have installed them in their drives, and I was considering it myself.
GordonFreeman59
Wouldn't it be more convenient to buy a lock for your steering wheel ? So you have a way to prevent your car from being stolen even if it's not parked at the safe spot ?
KipperFillets
I do have that, again it's probably more a visual deterrent. I was going for belt and braces. Can also keep my horse trailer safe too. The buggers will get your car if they really want it, just want to make it harder so they move on.
VodkaReindeer
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-14/thefts-of-jlr-range-rovers-cause-insurance-to-soar-values-to-plummet
KipperFillets
Thankfully not got one, our Kuga pulls the horse trailer just fine.
I've seen that some are uninsurable, even from Range Rover's own insurance company.
booneht
If they all come with those tubular locks as the only thing keeping it from retracting, save your money.
KipperFillets
I was looking at the ones you padlock in place as well as having integral lock. It's more a deterrent as they will just go to the next house along.
I don't and wouldn't have a Range Rover, but being semi rural and lots of people moving from London, they all think they need a big 4x4.
TheJackKetch
Chelsea tractors.
Carl99
This unfortunately. Those locks are a complete joke to bypass.
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
It almost looks like an EV charger.
downvoteifyouhatekittens
I never get why some things get downvoted
fitgirl1
Because an electric charger needs electricity line run to it to be able to provide power. Did you see an electric line?
downvoteifyouhatekittens
But they didn't say it was they just said it looked similar. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
myeyesthegogglesdonothing
It's just such a weird comment and even weirder that you're having a fit about it. It looks similar to countless other things that it clearly is not. Do you walk around all day pointing things out to people telling them that this thing looks similar to ______?
myeyesthegogglesdonothing
They're not trenching electric to it
downvoteifyouhatekittens
They never said they were
RevRagnarok
They said "almost."
myeyesthegogglesdonothing
So? It almost looks like a million things that it isn't.
YouMayFindThisMildlyInteresting
Proximity keys are a gift to car thieves. So now people install telescoping steel posts in their driveways, which they have to operate every time they go out, rather than suffer the inconvenience of turning a key in the ignition.
iceynyo
The inconvenience is taking the key out of your pocket... and with the advent of phone key, even carrying it in your pocket. The real easy solution is pin-to-drive. No key needed, and still nothing in your pocket and can just leave home with your phone and nothing else. Plus if someone wants to move or borrow your car, you can just tell them the pin.
Nikolai5
Meanwhile, I have to remove 2 locks on my motorbike and 5 locks on two gates to get my bike out, then put all my protective gear on, and my car has a battery drain problem at the moment, so I have to connect/disconnect the battery when I come to use it. Basically I've made it as inconvenient as possible lol.
WeekendWarriorMark
Why not put the keys in an anti proximity box or on an anti proximity wall like the rfid blocker in my wallet surely something akin should exist if you live in a card board house that has this not built in tbw
Freemasonry
Do key ignitions really exist much anymore? Pretty much every car i see has a button to start now
Sigge1981
My last car was a '21 Nissan Qashqai and that one had a normal key ignition. My current Renault Clio has a button.
RuffyRuffHausen
Still have keys inside the fob as a fallback on the doors though. Fob in proximity acts like a starter together with the brake pedal, so really no need for a start button either. Depends on the brand i guess, but think that's the direction things are going.
ATLandNerdy
My 2022 Tacoma still has a real key. It's a transponder key, but I have to put it in and turn.
idownvoteplottwist
right - that's the problem.
terreMoonWatcher
Easy to steal as well. They just scan your vin and create the key. Gone.
It sucks.
Car theft in Washington and Oregon are ridiculously high.
Deggies
"They just scan your vin and create the key"
I'm sorry, WHAT?
IgnisInvictus
There's a reason I love older vehicles. At least if someone steals my car I know they did it the good old fashion way.
Santorrr
Are you American or something? Those are still an accessory in Europe.
Freemasonry
Canada, our car markets are pretty well shared