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Evolution of the Confederate States, December 20, 1860 – July 15, 1870 [1000 x 677]
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Maxb61
Upvote for making it a speed we can read, usually this is way too fast when something similar is posted.
aggresivesnuggler
faster you prude
Xdeddc
General Sherman should have marched all across the South.
sprbwlshuffler
And it wouldn't be until 143 years after its readmission that Mississippi finally ratified the 13th amendment; The one that ended slavery.
Gerrery
From Sherman's march to being the last one let back in the Union, the north was really angry at Georgia.
BrezzaSexy22
hoorrrayyy for dixie!
CaptainGrowler
Ya know, We just got tired of your yankee shit.
obfuscatednitemare
gg Georgia
darkclaw89
Map from 1834 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Indian_Country-Territory_1834.jpg
fuck123456789
the confederate flag is not a rebel flag, you know what is a true rebel flag? the US flag
DPHENS
Ironically, they don't believe in evolution.
herbert5
And at the end everything just goes 'pop' and disappears.
datfandomdoe
Oh man this is so wrong. Key West declared independence dude, they didnt secede with Florida
PinbotWizard
Waiting for Texas to secede again....
Cela84
That's how we got West Virginia?
delpharseven
Yep. "Screw you guys, if you're seceding, we're seceding your seceding."
fuck123456789
if you think the confederate states werent all about slavery look up the cornerstone speech
NSFWFolderAccount
Well this definitely won't trigger anyone in the comments at all.
fuck123456789
if you think the confederate states werent all about slavery look up the cornerstone speech
delpharseven
I'll help you all out: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/ Cringe starts in paragraph nine.
Caremono
Tod dot
SendMeOxygen
Virginia you whore
JBoonski
Now do one with the 500 Indian nations stolen by the U.S. government
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
Their fault for not putting more points into research
delpharseven
I like the part where West Virginia secedes from Virginia. On that topic, do you really still need two Virginias, Carolinas, and Dakotas?
AbstractBettaFish
Northern Alabama also declared succession from Alabama but that one didn't last
josefabdon
In recent history, southern Florida has petitioned for statehood. I could see that, north and south FL are very different.
delpharseven
Would that mean two Florida Mans, or would N. Florida Man and S. Florida Man duke it out once a year to decide who would be the one?
WallpaperProblems
Really interesting the topic of W. Virginia really cool, and there was a high chance of two Tennessees instead of N. S. it would be E. W.
slimstebow
Really demonstrates the difference between hillbillies and rednecks
RandywithanI
...and they lost the war but wanted to keep their stupid battle flag.
Kickback
NC was bullied into, doing SC was full of loud mouths then and still are.
AbstractBettaFish
NC always kind of struck me as that southern state that's in the south, has the culture and everything, but somewhat reluctantly
Plaaant
As a North Carolinian, can confirm.
AbstractBettaFish
Then again I was once listening to the radio on the TN border and they were laughing at Bernie supports for believing "we come from monkeys"
harharcharizard
All the more reason that HB2 pissed off so many in NC. But I'm Southern, and proud. Don't call us Mid-Atlantic (even tho we're similar)
doucher
Meanwhile, Oregon and California just chilling, smoking bud with the Natives. Not much has changed. Source: from Portland.
AbstractBettaFish
Didn't go quite that smoothly, there were pro secession outbreaks in SF and SoCal and Oregon was particularly violent towards the natives
doucher
Pshht. Non sense
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
I'm a living breathing southerner with an actual brain used for things other than football and monster trucks, so if anyone wants to ask 1/?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Any questions about why some people are so fucking ignorant down here about the Confederacy I would be happy to answer them. 1/2
delpharseven
Not sure if you can answer this, but throw out whatever thoughts you have. Is it fixable? Is it possible to take someone who thinks the 1/
delpharseven
Confederacy was about anything other than preserving slavery and get them to accept the truth? How would you go about doing that? 2/2
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
I would say it both is and isn't. If you are talking about a younger person, say 25 and younger, that has just been raised that way. 1/?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
I would say it is completely possible. If you are talking about the ignorant uneducated old folk. Not at all. That being said even the 2/3
darkclaw89
US Territories? I think "Unceded Indigenous Land" is the term you are looking for.
harharcharizard
Same can be said of Europe
Armistice023
Not a history major, but I'm sure they're territories... like Louisiana Purchase type stuff
darkclaw89
Since you're not a history major, why don't you look up the Royal Proclamation of 1763 and the Nonintercourse Act (Indian Intercourse Act).
darkclaw89
It's also amazing to me that people can so often say, "hey I'm no expert, but (insert uninformed conclusion)."
darkclaw89
I guess so. In the same way that I could walk into someone's house while they're at work and claim it as mine, then sell it to someone else.
AbstractBettaFish
Well I WAS a history major and when speaking specifically civically territory is the proper term
KeKosaMoco
Aren't those the guys who are pro slavery, and sour losers of a war?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
I've grown up in southern Mississippi and I am a proud southerner, but I am not sour about the war at all.
KeKosaMoco
I know many people are not. Just pushing buttons
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Now you find any real old folk and they could be.
lS7rikel
It's almost like it happened 150 years ago.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Exactly
wherethehorriblethingsare
It's funny how the seceding states' Declarations of Secession almost all mention slavery as the reason but books today say "states' rights".
GoCorral
Every book I've read has said it was about slavery.
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delpharseven
How right you are. https://weeklysift.com/2014/08/11/not-a-tea-party-a-confederate-party/
TheDeanofLean
I hate when people try to deny it
LarfleezePlz
The north won the war but the south won the peace
HatersGonnaHateLurkersGonnaLurk
'Apostles of Disunion' by Charles B. Dew helps to further your position.
fadingtheory
Well, it was about State's Rights. Specifically the State's right to allow slavery.
wherethehorriblethingsare
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
delpharseven
There is another very intesting angle to it. Because of things like the Dred Scott Decision, federal law was that even in free states 1/
delpharseven
local authorities were *required* to assist in the capture of anyone accused of being an escaped slave. The free states responded by 2/
delpharseven
passing state laws overriding that bullshit. When Texas seceded they actually listed this as a complaint about the Union: that the 3/
delpharseven
northern states were exercising their states' rights to *not* have slavery! 4/4
AgainstMethod
Not "haha" funny, but
WhoYouGonnaCallGhostNappa
It's more complicated then that
GuylnTheBack
than
WhoYouGonnaCallGhostNappa
thank you
delpharseven
It's really not. The very words of those who were advocating secession, preserved in their letters and speeches, consistently have at 1/
delpharseven
their core one message: that the institution of slavery is natural, just, and must be preserved. 2/2
WhoYouGonnaCallGhostNappa
That is part of the rhetoric but not all, it is more about political control, or the lack there of. The southern states felt powerless
fuck123456789
Look up the cornerstone speech
Polarbeats
Only 3 states mention slavery in their ordinances for secession. Georgia, and South Carolina mention thst in the advancment to eradicate 1/2
ArcaneConjecture
@Polarbeats, MS, and VA also mentioned it. And the Confederate Constitution made slavery impossible to repeal unless all states did so.
Polarbeats
Slavery the government would abuse the constitution. Georgia says it in more detail. Texas flat out says the preservation of negro slavery.
Polarbeats
Bonus fact #3 some states don't even have proper ordinances
delpharseven
Except we know from books such as 'Apostles of Disunion', a collection of the letters and speeches of secession "apostles" that travelled 1/
delpharseven
throughout the south that the preservation of slavery was the central goal. We also have the Cornerstone Speech which emphasizes that the 2/
delpharseven
preservation of slavery (and it being the natural state of black people) was the primary concern of the Confederacy. 3/3
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
There is a lot more to it than slavery... the south had been making threats to succeed each time the federal government overruled state laws
delpharseven
Funny how they didn't mention any of that at the time. They sure spent a lot of time going on about preserving slavery as the natural 1/
delpharseven
state of black people though. Their letters and speeches all keep repeating the same central point: slavery, slavery, slavery. 2/2
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
2/ slavery was the final tipping point. There had been economic laws passed in favor of the north before the civil war, and aimed at hurting
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
3/ the souths economy. Namely taxes on goods found primarily in the south(Tobacco and cotton). In while decreasing taxes on industrial
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
4/ companies. This lead to a unhappy south, since they were given unfair tax burdens. These events had the south wanting to succeed before
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
5/ the republican party started dominating the house/Senate, and when the republican party had majority control of both, and president
wherethehorriblethingsare
But there's been a whitewashing of the fact that the South was forced to give up its slaves at gunpoint, which is my issue.
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
I mean, technically they were, since it did end up as a civil war, and the emancipation proclamation was passed w/o the south's consent
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
2/ but generally people are polarised on of it was slavery or state rights It was both, but state rights was a bigger factor for most states
fadingtheory
ElRadis
Looks like the bum living down the road
Conejito
So many southern Jimmies rustled
WhiteOthello
*burning of Atlanta intensifies*
delpharseven
The first modern general and one of the greatest military strategists in history.
Jigsaw68
Nobody gives a shit
BilboTeabagginsOfTheShire
Rape and pillage is not modern, nor is it "great". It's been employed to defeat and subdue enemy states since the dawn of man
AbstractBettaFish
I'd say it was more due to his knowing that the key to victory was not destroying an enemies army but their infrastructure.
delpharseven
"Rape and pillage" is hardly an accurate description. Injury to civilians, be it rape or otherwise, was minimal at best. Sherman's 1/
delpharseven
Savannah and Carolinas campaigns were carefully calculated to maximize the health of his armies and inflict maximum psychological damage 2/
delpharseven
on the Confederacy. In addition it had the secondary goal of eventually flanking Lee's army, or at the very least preventing it from 3/
4doc
He said something along the lines of, " War is cruelty, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over".
DeusExSpockina
Well, he's not wrong.
delpharseven
"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." That was in response to a critic. 1/
delpharseven
He elaborated in his letter to the mayor of Atlanta ordering the city to be evacuated: "You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I 2/
delpharseven
will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a 3/
delpharseven
people can pour out." 4/4