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"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
And people seem okay with this. "It's okay if we have slaves as long as they're prisoners." In fact let's look at prison population rates per capita.
...oh dear.
MYBR549
America is under the delusion that they eliminated Slavery. It makes them feel better. When it's the slaves fault then it's not our problem.
mastodonj
Roses are red
Doritos are savoury
The US prison system
Is legalised slavery
Samja192
I'm starting to think the difference between a 'good country' and a 'bad country' is how good it's PR is
lysergia
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film). It's on Netflix and YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfcq5pF8u8).
DYLinky
"No slavery except" translates into "slavery". Really brings the for profit(Aka not incentivized to rehabilitate) prisons into perspective.
xAnActualWizardx
We have more prisoners per capita than Russa. FUCKING RUSSIA.
crateo
You know, fucking Russia has public healthcare and free college education too.
spedlee4
The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy.
nicky512
Well, that only affects a small number of the country.. *sees map* oh.. well, it’s only hardened criminals.. *checks laws* oh.. well, fuck.
nicky512
We started with slavery, and it never ended. They changed the name. Prison is a work around, too much profits to pass up.
ThomasTheWankEnglne
"correctional facility" "rehabilitation center"
afambelafonte
Chain gang
wheelerws2718
Worse than Russia
venomlash
The problem with our prison system is NOT with the 13A, but rather a. felon disenfranchisement creating a political incentive to send people
venomlash
away as part of voter suppression b. for-profit private prisons and minimum wage law exemptions for prisoners creating an economic incentive
venomlash
for business interests to lobby for more incarceration c. treating addiction as a crime rather than a disease for political gain
Pevinsghost
For profit prisons house only 8% of prisoners. State ran prisons also do slave labor. It's despicable no matter who's doing it.
OneBabyOneHamburgerBun
Deliberate loopholes left in the 13'th amendments allows the continued creation of a 2'nd class citizen (as property) as is US tradition -.-
Blimymyhat
And read anything about bonded labor of how the sheriffs would arrest black men for loitering or vagrancy just when the crops needed picking
OneBabyOneHamburgerBun
Yep. Certain states require a % of all of their equipment to be produced by prison labor. System never changed, just the name did -___-
sevenfingerman
Yeah, the amendment needs to be updated.
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LurkerOfDarkness
Start working on a whole new constitution.
cheesepoof9900
its almost as if the entirety of the US is a prison state. OH WAIT. Poor and blacks are most likely to end up in prison.
CaptainKalus
Wish my school went over Amendment XIII more, but nooooo, learning exact wording of the constitution is unamerican apparently
PrimeDirector
Yeah this a pretty fucked up and overlooked part of that amendment. Almost never mentioned when discussing it
moistrobotbrain
Genuine question - can the amendments be changed at any point due to some of them being outdated and other dam right idiotic?
SomeYounguySmiley
Yup. “For-Profit” prisons are a huge problem.
AFistfulOfDollHairs
Surprisingly few from Australia.
SnappySnippy
Sort of surprised China is as light as it is.
TheDairyPope
They don't count most of their prisoners as people.
Eyelesstoby2021
I mean, community service is technically slavery, I feel that's what the amendment meant and how it is used today.
PballQhead
The amendment meant prison work, at the time it was ratified sentences of hard labor were common worldwide. Didn't stop till the 1950s.
robindawilliams
I'd argue it's an optional labour to your community to defer/avoid imprisonment. Slavery is forced labour, enforced and not optional.
robindawilliams
So paying a debt to society in labour instead of through imprisonment, society gets something to offset damages.
robindawilliams
You can always refuse to do community service and just serve time tho, at least you can where I live.
PballQhead
Having done my fair share of court-ordered service, I was never offered the choice. Not that I'd have picked time, but it wasn't an option.
MyCatSleepingOnMe
This is why minorities, especially Blacks, are desperately scrambling to get decent educations and jobs. Blacks were accused of bs "crimes"
MyCatSleepingOnMe
And sentenced by all white juries, then forced to work on plantations they were freed from. Watch "13th" on Netflix. 2/3
MyCatSleepingOnMe
Americans couldn't even free slaves correctly... 3/3
ChalkCoatedDonut
No wonder their cops are trained for that and the war on drugs focused on black people, make them criminals turns them into "legal" slaves.
sneakyraptor360
You say it as if color is an excuse for being a smuggler or dealer or even consumer...
ShowMeBunnies
You're describing capitalism.
sneakyraptor360
Oh so many down votes. Looks like some potheads are offended
Ilovetomakestuffup
In germany it's not really slavery. They get the opportunity to find and get skilled for a job so when they finished their sentence that
godskook
So they're being paid in experience?
Ilovetomakestuffup
they can start working and making money immediately. This is completely voluntary too and as far as I know they make money for themself
sneakyraptor360
There you have it. Slavery is forced work. Not an opportunity to finally get some education in any sorts of craftsmanship
Ilovetomakestuffup
even while beeing in prison too.
PballQhead
Do they receive the same wages, benefits and protections as non-incarcerated workers?
Ilovetomakestuffup
I have to Google that but I think yes, except the wages. Things like shops in prison exists where they can buy some things.
derJake
Maybe of interest: There was a debate over here recently because handicapped people basically get paid like US prisoners here in Germany.
PballQhead
That's a big issue in America. Only 3 states allow actual slavery, the others all have laws that mandate prison pay - but literal ¢ per hour
Ilovetomakestuffup
Just some basics like, sweets, tea, ect...
Thelrishlnquistion
Very telling that the constitutional amendment outlawing slavery is the only one with an exception written into it…
SomeDetroitGuy
3rd Amendment is automatically suspended during wartime. 5th Amendment doesn't apply to the military. 7th Amendment doesn't apply if the
hammersquirrel
The Fourth Amendment doesn’t apply if a cop claims to smell marijuana
lazerhosen
Search my car all they want, I already smoked that shit and now I don't have to deal with the stresses of driving.
SomeDetroitGuy
You're not wrong but that isn't explicitly written into the Constitution.
SomeDetroitGuy
value of the lawsuit is less than $20. 14th Amendment doesn't apply to anyone who engaged in rebellion against the US. 22nd Amendment doesnt
SomeDetroitGuy
apply to anyone in office when it was ratified.
Norepresentationwithouttaxation
You misses the 2nd and convicted felons.
PrimeDirector
Or how about basic voting rights
AndreaAllheart
Anyone paying attention knows US prisons are modern day slavery.
Ghost0fDawn
Slavery prime
Bmxtucker
New slavery+
motoalchemist
dont forget enriching, very profitable, just ask wall street
Cycocidal
"Its not slavery, they get paid"
DanielRadcliffesDeliciousAsshole1
BuT ThEy PaY ThEm…
Ninjaman69
With zero exit strategy so they go back to prison
AnotherReplyToIgnore
Jobs are modern day slavery. People love making other people do shit for them.
parkway
The jail system is part of American identity. Hence why whenever it's questioned, people's minds explode, and will think you crazy.
Wileydj
And almost all unskilled labor is wage slavery over here. Minimum wage is a joke.
thelonepig
I want to pay more attention. Can anyone recommend a book on this stuff? (I don't learn well with videos.) Maybe a coursera class?
Anuglierlucyliu
There's a good documentary on Netflix right now that talks about this
IlCastradore
For profit prisons.
DemonFluffer1000
Slavery with extra steps.
Barkinsons
One doc I saw was a real eye-opener, they were farming and even had an annual event for the prisoners to perform in an arena catching cattle
allysuzumiya
And if the US Prison population were its own country, it'd be the 146th biggest country on Earth population-wise, ahead of a hundred others.
ThereAreManyOthersLikeItButThisOneIsMine
I went to jail for a month once because of some bullshit (it is a long story, I didn't do anything worth jailing someone for). Not only...
ThereAreManyOthersLikeItButThisOneIsMine
...did getting out mean committing to a few weeks of unpleasant manual labor cleaning a local police precinct every day as a janitor, I...
ThereAreManyOthersLikeItButThisOneIsMine
...in fact had to pay hundreds of dollars for the privilege. My other option was to stay in jail longer and do work there for a few bucks...
ThereAreManyOthersLikeItButThisOneIsMine
...a day worth of commissary credit. It was a horrible experience that it has taken me about seven years to mostly recover from financially.
YuhMuda
Did you leave the soap on the floor?
Surisuule
May I ask what it was you did? (Or at least the name of the crime you were charged with?)
Event416
https://youtu.be/6lIqNjC1RKU
EchoWhiskyBravo
I’m paying attention. And I think that is a ridiculous statement.
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hannahbutnotreally
Then you're paying attention to the wrong things, champ.
PlentyofCupcakeMagic
Why is Greenland darker than Denmark? Denmark is the government for Greenland
LurkerOfDarkness
It's a separate statistical area because it's an autonomous country, just like the faroes, within the kingdom.
bikeguyirl0
I'm assuming Geographically per capita
nonCanadianGoose
Per capita? Population ratio
Aefinn
It says per 100k
noneurs
Shhhhhhh, dont ask. Its not polite. /s
noneurs
Next you be asking how China is so light....Shhhhhhhh. /s
sunyudai
Too many people mostly.
imgurj17
They are education camps not prisons /s
caledric
China doesn’t have prisons they have re-education camps
thatbloodybastard
They are an autonomous territory so they have at least some self governance. And they have such a small population the color shows they have
thatbloodybastard
Something like 10-15 prisoners?
WhatzitTooya
0.3% of 56400 inhabitants... so about 170 in prison.
thatbloodybastard
It is entirely possible I dropped a zero in the quick head math.
ArcaneAlchemist
yeah, doesnt sound like that huge of an issue when you put it in perspective. less than 200 people, they have what, one prison?
AviArts
Isn't Greenland high with homicides as well?
LurkerOfDarkness
Relatively yes, but remember they compare to rest of the kingdom first and Europe 2nd, not really with the US.
IwishIwasJamesBond
England no data?
bikeguyirl0
Seems concerning
MossLiner
They're all in Australia so it doesn't count, hence no data
notrealfairie
Lichelf
People couldn't agree whether all those that live there should be considered prisoners or not after the UK cut its ties to Europe.
burtweasel
173 per 100k in England and Wales
graft
Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate#United_Kingdom The data source (World Prison Brief) 1/2
graft
does not list an incarceration rate for the United Kingdom as a whole. 2/2
graft
The weird thing is the article does list the England incarceration rate at: 130/100k
LyraTheLycan
Simple, if England started giving out this data people would figure out how many people the royal family had taken out of the picture.
Jonataurus
Didn't they leave earth a year ago?
pazooPositivityPlayer
That is not just England.
JustTryingToLiveLife
North Korea ?
CheeseNoodleKing
? %
hexis642
Somalia and Western Sahara also.
DocWats
Pffft you believe in England
CheeseNoodleKing
It’s just to the west of the Netherlands, where Peter Pan and Tinkerbell play ?
kruttlapp
No data for UK, Somalia, Eritrea, North Korea or Western Sahara.
randomdragon
Somalia presumably didn't submit or possess incarceration data since the federal government was re-established within the past decade (1/3)
randomdragon
and it'd be even more recent relative to the 2018 date listed in the image. North Korea presumably wouldn't be cooperative with any (2/3)
spiffylookingnerfherder
There are no prisoners in NK. No crime either. It is a perfect worker's utopia. (/s)
randomdragon
initiative of this sort, no idea whether reeducation would count on that list. Not sure which situation applies with Eritrea and WS (3/3)
kruttlapp
Valid points and good input. But, a country like South Sudan, which was established in 2011, is on the list. So are other curtained regimes.
DestinyPrevails
WS is a people/government-in-exile and most of the territory is under Moroccan military occupation, so that's their reason for no data.
ButtBot9900
Possibly because the UK has 3 different legal systems: one for England, one for Scotland, and one for Northern Ireland.
CheeseNoodleKing
Aren’t there subtle differences between states in the US, in a similar fashion?
UpvoteFairyCakes
My SIL is a prison officer in england. We don’t really have heavy prison sentences or big populations. But we have issues with *who* is 1/
UpvoteFairyCakes
in prisons (disproportionately black and/or poor because of wealth inequality, systematic inequality & infrastructure) 2/2
DynamaxAgumon
In the criminal justice system, Scottish based offenses are considered especially heinous.
IsolatedAsshole
These are their stories...
noneurs
DUN!DUN!
Welshboy100
*DUNDEE!
MyBigMouth
AUCH AUCH.
Compound515
Considered especially *haggis
SerenePrincess013
... I hate you... Take your +1, & go.
MarxAvenger
*BAGPIPE SOUNDS*
Daft113
That sounds unnecessarily complex.
Ozimbah
Same thought entered my head first, followed shortly by the expounded example - there are 195 countries in the world, each with their own
Ozimbah
legal system. Seems unnecessarily complex. It's just how we do things round here.
The3dMan96
It keeps the Scots happy and keeps the peace in Northern Ireland, I’d call that a fair compromise for something that confuses yanks
The3dMan96
Also the Scottish legal system is fascinating, it’s an incredible mix of legal systems and even has a third verdict (not proven)
ICantThinkOfAU
Not really, our legal systems are not the same, ours laws are not all the same, there are devolved governments, you couldn’t have one system
LurkerOfDarkness
And no justice in Wales...
Account3577
If there was any justice you wouldn't be in Wales in the first place.
ThisUsernameIsTaken123
Alozar
What about Wales?
dehny87
Is part of England’s legal system. Vast oversimplification but Wales was basically conquered by England
Asadsadsadclown
Their legal system ground to a halt generations ago surrounding a jurisdiction dispute over a fugitive that went on a crime spree crossing
Asadsadsadclown
country lines between Llanfairpwll-gwyngyllgogerychwyrndrob-wllllantysiliogogogoch and it's neighboring cities. Seems every attempt to
Asadsadsadclown
actually sort out where the man was and what he was doing causes the average lawer's head to explode in a puff of legal constipation.