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Jul 17, 2020 8:08 AM
somewhatvaguelywitty
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callumgee
Looks a bit like Martin Lawrence in the latest Bad boys movie
highwind7
It's pupils wouldn't have been horizontal like that if it mainly viewed forward. Likely rounded pupils. I'm freaking myself out.
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
ElPerroDeLosCinco
Goats are not normal animals.
mormacil
Weird reconstruction, never saw it's neck like that. All skeletons I've seen look like regular goats neck wise albeit a bit lower.
Imnotafuckingrobotimgur
Probably went and found the picture that best suited the 'this thing was weird!' Probably an example of it being able to squeeze small gaps.
Eiladar
Also, not mentioned, it's from the same place that had giant, non-hopping rabbits. Those islands are _weird_.
bohemezarathustra
I dunno. Don't wanna kill it. Want to smoke a bowl and play Super Mario Kart with it.
urakunt
Do you want to also wine, dine and sixty nine with it?
mzamurman
He stoned.
musicwithrocksin
The skeleton makes me think of a wyrm / dragon more than a goat...
musicwithrocksin
Although I guess a dragon would probably have a longer tail?
Noroelle
Could be a cold blooded goat ... could be a dragon or wyrm
Minatex
I'm 99% positive that is a Charizard
britishkid
Wait, so in a place without sunlight and thus, cold...why would cold bloodedness be an adaptation? Food scarcity?
Panzerkeks85
It didn't really live in caves. Its bones were found there because cave-dwelling early balearic settlers hunted them for food.
LordLumpy
This is taken out of context. Still warm blooded, but a first in that it seems to have had far more control of its metabolism to slow down /
LordLumpy
When resources were scarce, and grew immensely slowly to concerve energy. Also, small eyes, small brain, low energy needs. It was dumb.
Ialwaysanswerwiththis
Herbivorous Charizard
thebadsectors
Satan puppy.
Richter12x2
It's a cold blooded goat, look into its eyes, oh, uh oh, he's been telling lies?
SnarlyTangles
First ever dragon skeleton and scientists cover it with goat skin.
TheWorstWizard
What in the ever loving fucking fuck.
DucklingFullOfTarantulas
Patiently waiting here for a art recreation worthy of scaring the pants from the comments section.
idonthavetimeforthiseither
His name was discovered to be Kevin
frahnseeskoh
Thats horrible, I'm glad that goat is extinct
AdmiralButtStuff
Can confirm. That one is already dead and I wanna kill it.
reallynotalex
Idk man. I think he just wants to make a deal of some sort
ChazzK
He looks more judgemental than anything to me.
AFistfulOfDollHairs
Okay, in exchange for it’s life, kill it.
ShanghaisFamousLittleDublinDistrict
Def kinda looks like Wayne Brady with a weird smile.
goflyblind
Poppthe1th
What is sauce please
TheLegend2711
Gravity Falls i believe
Poppthe1th
Much appreciated
BallerMoves
I would gladly give my soul to Gompers.
RedKitsunePower
That is Exactly what he wants from you
InsensitiveComments
that goat was the chupacabra
lexifornow
Isn't forward facing eyes a predatory trait?
Imnotafuckingrobotimgur
Evolution isn't a fine art, the evolutionary pressures of the cave likely made stereoscopic vision more useful than a wide field of view.
lexifornow
That makes sense. Not that a cave dwelling goat is much less scary than a predatory one. What did it eat!!!
LanceCorporalCarrotIronfoundersson
Black phillip?
Olystubbies
This was the first movie that actually scared me in a long time.
whateverphil
Sign the book
evildarksithlord
I will guide thy hand...
MustardDuck
Bambalam!
ChardeeMacDennis2ElectricBoogaloo
Black Phillip, Black Phillip
King of sky and land,
Black Phillip, Black Phillip
King of sea and sand.
We are ye servants,
We are ye men.
evildarksithlord
Wouldst thou like the taste of butter? A pretty dress? Wouldst thou like to live deliciously?
Keyosu
Decent movie.
TIREDGANG
Word. Check out Ken Russell's, The Devils (1971) for another good demonic hysteria film with heavy religious themes!
MantisTobagganMD
Hell, watch it just for Ralph Ineson's voice. That thing is captivating as fuck.
Irarelypostbutwhenidoitsucks
So recognizable anywhere!
goudist
*sheep
FallingStar7669
For anyone downvoting this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1325260/
wkearney99
The article mentions nothing about being cold-blooded. Still, fascinating drawing DNA from bones that old.
SausageCowboy
So it had fur, but was cold blooded. And had front vision, but was an herbivore. This is like when God tries to do a transformer without 1/2
DatPudding
Were sure it was a herbivore??
SternoTesticularLigament
Can DNA confirm it had fur? What if it was a bald, not b-ball related, thick skin goat?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Platypus 0.9
RevenantBacon
version 0.9.12.3B
Grimmrog
how any skeletons did they even found? sometimes I think, what if a very defomed specimen is found and everyone things its an own kind of
gtmiller
Quite possibly heavy inbreeding was involved.
EnergyFiend
This species lived for over 5 million years, I think there might be a few bones rattling around.
Grimmrog
anial, while in fact it was jsut some non vital birthdefect.
HopOnTheMagicSchoolBus
Wikipedia's references multiple skulls found, as well as skulls from both sexes. Also has had it's genes analyzed.
Grimmrog
thx for telling me.
Felderburg
I thought it was more a predator/prey thing that determined eye placement... implying that this goat was a predator.
bluejolt
"Cave" goat, perhaps stereoscopic vision and depth perception is more adaptively important than peripheral in confined space?
definitelynotawolf
I looked it up, you are correct; also they’re from the balearic islands and had no natural predators. There were other unique species too
SausageCowboy
reading the instructions. Just like, "yeah, that looks like how he looks on the box".
Butane9000
So, a platypus that didn't work out?
Rkfinecake
It's like the platypus. A parts bin project.
ciaran13
*drunkenly* Just throw all that shit together... And eggs! And milk....... and venom....
GrosseChung
It’s even crazier from an evolutionary standpoint, like what are the chances a mammal could turn into that goat before going extinct?
poscduke
100% apparently
reclusivegiraffe
maybe that’s why it’s extincg
Sunnus
2/2 remembering that evolution drives gradual changes over time to allow creatures to adapt to their environments.
Grimmrog
"tries" its just random and either works or doesn't or works worse
Rip42
I feel like this should be pointed out, because the difference is significant: Adapt for fitness, not environment. If it doesn't affect 1/2
Rip42
fitness, it drifts chaotically, and you get some really weird stuff. 2/2
Sunnus
Thanks. How do you define fitness in this context?
Rip42
Ability to pass on genes as opposed to surviving an environment. There are a lot of adaptations that lower survivability and raise fitness.1
byohzzrd
EveryGOPAccusationIsActuallyAnAdmission
Its a platypus. They don't do much.
dorkside10411
A platypus?
EveryGOPAccusationIsActuallyAnAdmission
Perrrry, perrry the platypus!
byohzzrd
TheHaloFollower
You are trapped by social convention!
mooseablethenok
Forward facing eyes implies that it is a predator...
AFistfulOfDollHairs
They did live in caves, possibly narrow ones.
CerisCinderwolf
Has it been considered that it had deformations and/or genetic abnormalities?
mooseablethenok
A genetic abnormality that allows the goat to attack prey more successfully would be beneficial...
uglybugstephsteph
Like a Furby
millertimes
I have forward facing eyes and I'm not a predator. Despite what the court said.
mooseablethenok
Humans are so much a predator that animals instinctively react differently to bipedal animals than quadrupeds...
Epinephilim
Notable vegetarian alligator mississippiensis:
mooseablethenok
So we can establish that this goat didn’t wait for prey hidden underwater as an ambush predator. Good point!
Epinephilim
At least I think that's it. It might be a croc, I'm bad at these.
mooseablethenok
It’s an alligator. Crocs have narrow snoots and pointier teeth.
RuthlessRuben
But other things about that skeleton, starting with the teeth, imply it wasn't. Binocular vision is just one factor.
LordLumpy
From a quick read, seems it had no predators so no need of wide field of view, vs stereoscopic vision benefits. Makes sense.
im25ok
No predators is also why it was able to become cold-blooded and live that sedentary life
LordLumpy
Just like me.
im25ok
It’s all cause of those forward facing eyes you got
MinorityOpinion
Caves are not favoured by plants.
RuthlessRuben
When an animal name contains the word "cave" this often only means "we found all the bones we have in caves".
Ulthirm
Or in the case of sloths, we knew they sheltered in caves. It doesn't mean they roamed some massive maze work of caves. Just that they were
Ulthirm
In caves when they did things like sleep or mate.
Bystandr
While not conclusive, it is possible it was an opportunistic carnivore. Many herbivores are in fact omnivorous (IE: horses) and are
Bystandr
relegated to plants due to not being able to catch most animals they would otherwise eat. If the goats were given access to some population
Bystandr
they could easily catch, it may well have been that they began to dine on them and thus evolved some predatory traits.
MrE158
I've seen footage of a hippo chowing down on a dead waterbuffalo. As if hippos weren't scary enough already.
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mooseablethenok
https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2017/05/deer-eating-human-forensics-decomposition
mormacil
True herbivores are rare. Horses, chickens, cows, etc all eat meat.
Kingaby
That's.... that's not right at all, is it?
PookyButt
KeyMasher
Istherenothingleft
Checkmate
Akaihasu
ILikeSmellingMyOwnFarts
Why does it look like Putin?
Akaihasu
Dunno mate. Maybe uses his face to merge?
KitchenClean
Wow, I stand corrected. Anytime I’ve fed deer they’ve looked straight at me. I’ll delete my original comment. Thanks bud.
phobos535
Not necessarily. Only that it needs depth perception. Might be needed to climb, etc. Orang Utans eyes face forward, and they eat fruit
Akaihasu
Primates need the eyes on the front for hunt and climbing.
mooseablethenok
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150926-veggie-orangutans-turn-carnivore
mormacil
Weirdly enough this could didn't jump and the cold bloodedness implies it moved slowly, crawling around caves.
elucca
A lot of cold blooded animals move very fast, just not constantly.
mormacil
Yes but not with these types of brains and eyes
mooseablethenok
Hypothesis: this goat waited in caves for hapless prey to gore and devour.
MstrES
And dick according to a sketch of Dave Chappelle
Topnotchcrotch
Orange Utahns!
mmaheshwary
Its an oxymoron. Trump will never become a Mormon.
unaligned1
Don't they also stick sticks in ant hills to get ants & eat them? (I vaguely remember reading about them when studying animals using tools.)
mooseablethenok
General frugivores, opportunistic carnivores.
ittybittyfunk
So it’s a fruit predator...? got it.
Mrbrown512
A fruit ninja if you will
goflyblind
ook.
graehall
Haha, now I'm picturing The Predator sneaking around an orange grove looking for the perfect piece of fruit to gut & make a trophy, & eat.
dalaiyoda
A peardator. I'll get my coat.
FuzzyKev
You're a fruit predator
PolarbearsToenails
Got you good fucker!
kennerly
Mountain goats climb just fine with side facing eyes. Forward facing eyes indicate predator. Primates need stereotopic vision to hunt
definitelynotawolf
These were cave goats and needed forward facing eyes for depth perception; also they had no predators so no need for side facing eyes
Akaihasu
And climbing. Just to make your comment complete. :)
SithElephant
But might they climb better with front-facing eyes is the question.
MaxieMooo
Arent gorillas vegetarians? And orangutans?
kennerly
Orangutans have been observed eating lorises when fruit was scarce.
kennerly
Gorillas can and will hunt and kill monkeys for food when given the chance.
MaxieMooo
Damn i didnt think theyd bother what with monkeys being expert climbers and gorillas spending their time on the ground
insanitycontinuum
Stop spreading this myth, being a predator is just one of the reasons why those can be adaptive
Epinephilim
It's a strong correlation, but stereoscopic vision vs a wide field of view is a matter of practicality.
mooseablethenok
Alexa, define “imply”
mooseablethenok
It’s not a myth. Predators have forward facing eyes. As evidenced by, damn, just look at your cat, or dog, or in the mirror...
bluejolt
Cause that's a large enough sample set to scale up to a global ecosystem.
Akaihasu
It's not a myth, it's a common accepted fact in science. Every animal which hunts has his eyes in the front of their head.
Bukoden
And every square is a rectangle. They were saying that the inverse being stated as fact is the "myth." Being predator is ONE of the reasons.
mooseablethenok
Yeah, your “facts” and “reasonable inferences” won’t convince me that this goat didn’t fucking hunt.
Bukoden
No one is saying it didn't. What has been said is that forward facing eyes don't guarantee that it did.
maybeamonster
Regardless of downvoters, @mooseablethenok pointed out I was wrong. This this has /more/ stereo vision that usual rather than lacking it
Akaihasu
Yeah. That's how ppl should react instead of trying to contradict my claims. Read a bit about animals and basic evolution. It's easy.
maybeamonster
No reason to either expect people to believe you at face value, nor to be condescending. I'm glad you were right. I learned a neat thing.
ArithmeticFascist
You know sharks hunt and don't have forward facing eyes right?
Akaihasu
Okay. To be clear. Mammals. If you guys are all better in science then the scientist who declare such things, do their jobs.
paneele
Whales and dolphins generally don't.
mooseablethenok
You know sharks aren’t always apex predators, and have more than vision to detect prey?
bluejolt
Wait, so now it's just APEX predators? How many times are you gonna move the target to defend this false dichotomy?
Epinephilim
Akaihasu
Yeah. Should have know better with all the "scientists" here that I should've said mammals instead of animals.
bluejolt
Sure. Those mammals like orangutans and koalas that hunt (/s). At least TRY to think critically before spouting nonsense as "facts"
Epinephilim
Or you could have said something that was relevant to the original statement. But you do you.
bluejolt
Yup, those orangutan and koala predators are fearsome, aren't they?
Akaihasu
Read every comment and you would know for what they still need their forward facing eyes.
bluejolt
In all likelihood, the trait is not adaptive but more that there was no selective pressure from predation. Island evolution is weird.
mooseablethenok
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150926-veggie-orangutans-turn-carnivore
mooseablethenok
So the goat might have been arboreal?
bluejolt
Akaihasu's assertion was that all mammals with forward facing eyes are predators. I'm merely pointing out 2 of many cases where it's false.
maybeamonster
mooseablethenok
So you give an example of extreme stereoscopic vision as you example that predators aren’t stereoscopic?
maybeamonster
Neat https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2009/11/27/widely-set-eyes-give-hammerhead-sharks-exceptional-binocular-vision/
Akaihasu
Yeah. Should have know better with all the "scientists" here that I should've said mammals instead of animals.
MokiYoki
Orangutans, gorillas, fruit bats, koalas and pandas all have forward facing eyes. All cetaceans have their eyes on the sides but eat meat.
maybeamonster
"every" is a big claim, man. use it with care.