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nfseskimo
am.. am i relevant?
DianNaoChong
Thats why evangelists say "yeah you would, because you totally actually know already in your heart"
Trekker47
Doesn't this ignore the point that virtue is good for its own sake, not just as a means of reaching heaven?
MemeConsumer993
That's deep.
edwardelricsnipples
"Because I was told about it when I was a kid so now I want everyone to be as miserable as me."
Genotex
"told about"? I think you misspelled "brainwashed" there.
SwedishBalls
TIL that priests are evil for sharing hell with billions of people
olegh
Missionaries is(are?) one of few things that aggravates me with religion. Keep your faith to yourself. If I'm interested I'll seek you out.
SomeoneFuckedUp
"You may have ended up somewhere worse instead." - Priest, probably
boxmax
"I like scaring the crap out of people." -Priest
BluRedd
"I like putting the fear of God in 'em."
MyFavoritesAreNice
+1 was recently looking for this!
MasterThief
Of all the things that 1) did not happen, and 2) get theology completely wrong, this is one of them.
alabaster
Because I'm sure the Inuit were speaking fluent English prior to being told the first thing about Heaven and Hell....
QuantumEntangler
Even the fucking Eskimos know it's bullshit ha ha ha ha ha ha
GRMurph
I don't need to go to church. I'll just read this every week as it's reposted to the front page.
eihposnostam
This is very theologically unsound.
MillnotMills
Thank you. Your answer is short, accurate and doesn't try to qualify certain beliefs like people above. +1
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
But still funny.
eihposnostam
True. Unfortunately, most people take it too literally.
MisterAnyone41
because
tits4breakfast
Oh the accuracy of this GIF.
zsevern
The priest I've meet say yes, he would go regardless. To justify the push to convert (money n power aside) Yet another reason its all crap
muscletank
using "eskimo" needs to stop, for more than one reason
muscletank
why did this get a down vote?
AaronStack
That's why it is so important to shoot missionaries on sight.
globaltyler
Unfortunately, this is nothing more than a joke. Scripture clearly points out that ignorance doesn't gift immunity.
TheCrankyCow
The Law brings about wrath, but where there is no Law, there also is no violation. — Romans 4:15 I call it Schrodinger guilt.
globaltyler
Context. Paul is speaking of the OT Law, which is obsolete because of the grace we receive through Christ. I was referencing Rom 1:18-25.
TheCrankyCow
it's both OS, or just OT depending on the sect. and then there'res sects that don't uses Pauls stuff and it just gets messy
LisaJoy
I asked my dad this question. He said people who don't know Jesus are unhappy. Even as a kid I knew this was a bullshit answer.
RaddRadda
It's like Rosko's Basilisk. Also, sorry for telling you about Rosko's Basilisk.
BANANAFLAKE
It's all a huge mess that we tend not to discuss. I don't mind leaving it at that.
toxcrusadr
As a Catholic, I agree. Fortunately I am OK with mysteries. I don't have to know everything.
BANANAFLAKE
That's what makes us different. But that's okay. Because diversity is key to survival.
Revelumin
Becoming a martyr is like a direct ticket to heaven for priests, right? So if I kill one, isn't that a virtue I'm doing him a favour?
Revelumin
Because it's difficult to the detect in text form and this is the internet, I'm just joking and in no way advocating the killing of priests.
RoymanHenryburg
Wouldn't he technically go to purgatory if he didn't know?
Psych0onaut
No, not technically.
TheCrankyCow
Catholic addition because converting Pegans were worried about there loved ones. So depends on who you talk to
ri59
There's no such thing as purgatory listed anywhere in the bible.
RoymanHenryburg
Maybe not but it is addressed in the catechism of the Catholic Church and he is talking to a priest.
truthsmiles
Good point.
truthsmiles
Did some research: Apparently the Christian response is "It's impossible not to know about God - the evidence (his creation) is all around!"
RepostStctistics
Cop-out response "How did you not discover the laws of physics? The evidence is all around!"
truthsmiles
So basically, a cop-out. It doesn't answer the question at all.
Logeon
Most religious doctrine resorts to cop-outs in the face of logical critique.
rectalprolapse
Sort of. Hard to explain in 140 characters, so I'll try a multi-part response and anyone can DM me for more information. 1/?
rectalprolapse
Typically, the response hinges on a shared sense of morality. Most cultures, throughout history and around the world, have had a moral 2/?
rectalprolapse
code that doesn't differ too far from one another. We all understand that evil exists, and tend to have similar definitions of evil, and 3/?
rectalprolapse
that "good" is preferable, and tend to have similar definitions of good. Christians believe this points to God "imprinting His law on (4/?)
PhilipWilson1993
Romans 1:20 http://biblehub.com/romans/1-20.htm
Psych0onaut
I guess if it's said in a book, it must be true!
TheCrankyCow
The Law brings about wrath, but where there is no Law, there also is no violation.-Romans 4:15 Dammit now im all confuzzled.
PhilipWilson1993
it says it in the book that the priest is supposed to have read... whether or not you believe it to be true thats just reading comprehension
SouthernGuyblaze
Funny, but the priest lies.
warick
Yup: For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being
warick
understood from what has been made,so that people are without excuse.
truthsmiles
So, an otherwise virtuous person who has never heard of God goes to hell? Seems fair? No, in fact the answer is that it doesn't serve...
truthsmiles
..religion to admit the logical flaw. If those who haven't heard of God went to heaven, there would be no reason to expand the business.
CHUBMARINES
Not according to the Bible
Dekacube
http://biblehub.com/romans/1-20.htm
SouthernGuyblaze
What bible are you reading.
SouthernGuyblaze
?*
Forge4life
I always wondered if hell applied to all sapiens. Or pre-cavemen stages in our evolution. Like when did hell begin? According to religion it
Forge4life
Has always been around, and heaven, so then all stages of human evolution are just walking around up there? It's one of my major issues with
Forge4life
Religion. It's doesn't match with reality, and lack of parameters makes things just messy if you think about it for too long.
RepostStctistics
They deny evolution. Problem solved.
toxcrusadr
Not all of us.
Trekker47
Hell is for if you refuse to be with God, so I guess any being with a rational soul capable of rejecting God could go to hell.
Forge4life
But what if you didn't know about God? Or the Christian God? Or you followed an ancient religion that does out long before Christianity?
Trekker47
Did you ever read Narnia? There's that bit at the end where the good Calormen dude winds up in heaven, even though he never believed in 1/
Trekker47
all have a conscience that helps us to be good people, if we're willing to try. Apologies for the length. 3/3
Trekker47
the Narnian God, so something like that. Rejecting God is usually something we do by our actions and the sort of person we are, and we 2/
createdforupvoting
Isn't what Xians actually believe, though. Doctrine says that yes, they go to hell *even if they were never told about God*. Seems fair.
LychFinderGeneral
I believe the Bible says that those who never heard the Gospel will be judged according to their conscience.
Neurisko
This is one of my favorite arguments against organized religion
CandidGamera
But that doesn't result in a setup for a "witty" anecdote with a Magical Noble Savage telling Whitey off...!
kayakninjas
I'm pretty sure that's only the Evangelicals.
aluskn
Depends if the denomination believes in 'Original Sin' or not. Most do (Roman Catholic and most Protestant sects) some don't.
createdforupvoting
I was unaware of any remotely mainstream sects that didn't believe in OS. Kinda hard to reconcile anything else with "died for your sins"
aluskn
Yeah only the Mormons spring to mind. Maybe also the Quakers? Not sure; not an expert, just an atheist with a catholic education.
brassmonkey77
Cathos believe they will stay in limbo.
MillnotMills
Maybe 900 years ago we did. We don't believe in limbo anymore.
brassmonkey77
My mother was thought that.
MillnotMills
Makes sense. For generations it's been mostly a cultural concept, but Benedict XVI formally refuted the concept.
MillnotMills
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1549439/The-Pope-ends-state-of-limbo-after-800-years.html
Suravik
If you live a virtuous life yet have not had the opportunity to build a relationship with Christ, it's just as if you were a child I believe
createdforupvoting
Yes, but "virtuous" by what code? Any spouse-sharing society is automatically out, for instance. Or any with a deity not obviously = God.
magisch
Polygamy is accepted in the bible.
ElsaofArendelle94
Yes. General revelation of creation shows enough evidence of a creator that they have no excuse. It is Christians' responsibility to share
ElsaofArendelle94
The special revelation of Jesus Christ.
PhiIIipJFry
So no evidence is enough evidence to have no excuse? That's a bit harsh.
dassemultor
"General revelation of creation shows enough evidence of a creator that they have no excuse." N'awww
samahiel
Depends on the denomination. Catholic Doctrine allows for virtuous pagans.
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
Mormons believe you can't go to their version of hell unless you have an absolute knowledge of god and then still deny him.
createdforupvoting
And there's been, like, 3 in history. But unbaptized babies, nope.
toxcrusadr
Although they don't go to Hell either.
Skyjogger
While its disputed whether or not they go to Heaven, it's Catholic Doctrine that they definitely do not go to Hell.
GodEmperorOfImgur
According to catholic doctrin, Jesus died for ALL men, so unless you reject Jesus or his views, you are saved. As long as the person 1/2
GodEmperorOfImgur
in question would have desired baptism had he known about it, and God. 2/2
kickbut622
But how can one desire what he can not know? and if he would if he knew, is there no harm in telling him?
GodEmperorOfImgur
Well, I am NOT a theologian, but I assume that God would know when the person dies whether he/she would have taken the baptism, IF they 1/2
GodEmperorOfImgur
had known about it, and god during their life. It's a rather a question of IF they would have desired it, if it had been possible. 2/2
SgtCookie111
I don't know what living in the galactic age is going to be like, but god damn do I desire to.
BritishBatman
would they go to hell even if they didn't sin?
jojacob
"all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god"
BritishBatman
that means nothing to me.
jojacob
It means that it is impossible to lead a sinless life and whether it be original sin or our inability to do right none of us can be with...
BritishBatman
HA, well that's bullshit, it's perfectly possible to live a sinless life.
jojacob
...God except through Christ
MasterThief
For Catholics, a non-believer is still capable of sin (murder, theft, etc.) Natural law (laws which can be known by reason unaided by God)..
MasterThief
... still applies to all humans as humans, even those in a state of invincible ignorance of God. They can't sin by, say, blasphemy...
MasterThief
because that knowledge of God. But they can still sin against each other, and if Christianity helps them not do that it's a net + for them.
cwwfranktank
The bible tells us that none have an excuse because God is evident throughout creation, and that His law is given to all not a few.
MisterWiggler37
The world is an amazing place, on that we can agree. But saying that must mean there is a god is a bit of a jump.
applesforjuice
I'd argue that a very, very large percentage of people, past and present, believe in some kind of creator. Not a big jump for all of them
userschmoozer
Yes, because the number of people who believe something clearly has a direct impact on how true it is....
applesforjuice
That's clearly not what I said. He said that just seeing the earth wouldn't make people believe in a creator. Which it does...
iLynux
By that logic, many indigenous Americans are saved because they believe in a spiritual hierarchy, headed up by one omnipotent spirit.
cwwfranktank
As a Christian who is not the judge, who is to say that they are not?
iLynux
Certainly not me. But I'm atheist.
cwwfranktank
There's certainly nothing wrong with having different beliefs! Thanks for your input!
Trekker47
I like CS Lewis' explanation, that Christianity is like a roadmap to heaven. You can get there without it, but it'll be a lot easier with it
RepostStctistics
...so those without the map and failed to reach the destination are punished for eternity? Doesn't seem too fair imo
Trekker47
If they had no way to get the map then we believe thats taken into account. Regardless, everyone has their conscience to give some direction
RepostStctistics
Reckon guidelines should be crystal clear when the end result is either eternal bliss or eternal damnation don't you think?
Trekker47
They're already crystal clear; the main teaching of Christianity 'love each other as yourselves' is nothing new at all. You don't need to 1/
Trekker47
have faith to know that cruelty, lying etc is wrong. Faith and prayer strengthen us to be the sort of people we already know we should be 2/