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Sep 15, 2022 12:16 AM
KevinKeene
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eronth
Look, the other elements are important, but graphics can really change the appeal of a game. It's also very important.
billyjonas
Graphics? Ppffftt who needs it?
MisterLemons
"Why not everything?" - Crysis
PhillPW
I'm surprised music is that high on the ladder
fiddlewheelx
Graphics isn't what's important visually, it's a good art direction which is important.
morelikeconsham
This 100%. I don't give a shit if a game is photorealistic. But a quirky/unique/charming art style? That stays with me for years.
Edutittam
This is so old and tired. We get it. We got it decades ago.
skipsh2
UI should be higher also
LokJok
Control by Remedy Games is one of the best games I've ever played. I can't recommend it enough.
Username62611
Great game, though funnily enough the gameplay is my least favourite thing about it.
StormBurnX
accessibility for real. Half the monster hunter games are unplayable for me, despite looking gorgeous.
rshini
god damn, some of my friends love it but I feel like there's way too many moving parts to keep track
Yachtzee
RDR2 has them all.
MisterLemons
I don't slaughter mojave legionnaires for the graphics, I do it because I genuinely believe they're a step below humanity. THAT'S immersion.
myboyscipio
Does anyone even think this way anymore? This meme feels very 2010
ijustmadeanaccounttoargue
Unfortunately. Every time new consoles come out people compare and the fanboys say the other one looks like trash. I'm squinting like... ok?
rollercostarican
I love graphics. There's a reason I'm not still playing my super Nintendo. I'm not saying it's the only thing that matters, of course. But
rollercostarican
It's generally one of the few things you can actually rate from a still image. It also enhances the experience IMO. Being able to
rollercostarican
Distinguish a bush from an enemy, seeing real time reflections, actual hair, dynamic effects and cloth. It's like adding seasoning to food
ZeeTeeEl
Weird order of things here. Gameplay and controls go hand-in-hand, as does story and characters and art style and graphics.
CandidGamera
Not really. You can have great gameplay mechanics but cumbersome controls. You can have a trite, run-of-the-mill hero's journey story that->
CandidGamera
<- functions as a vehicle for amazing and endearing characters. You can have a simplistic artstyle generated by technically highly ->
CandidGamera
<- sophisticated graphics engines. I'd agree ranking them is moot but distinguishing them is legitimate.
Saismirk
Everything matters
allysuzumiya
Graphics I don't necessarily care about but art style is something I absolutely do care about. Some games physically nauseated me 1/2
allysuzumiya
Like the Conduit on the original Wii. I used to get really bad headaches and nausea while playing it, but it was my only FPS at the time 2/2
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Gameplay is #1 but everything else is wrong and virtue-signaling is annoying.
MeticulouslyCareless
Gameplay/Controls > Replay Value > Story/Characters > Music > Art Style/Graphics... I don't know where to put Accessibility.
MDAlchemist
I'd go gameplay/controls=story/characters > art style/graphics > music. Accessibility is great, but it doesn't effect my experience much.
MDAlchemist
Oh I forgot replay value so. Gameplay/controls = story/characters > replay value > art style/graphics > music.
DrDadJokes
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
GandalfTheGhey
I'm going to tell my kids this was Mark Zuckerberg
Varenvel
they spend more money then RDR2 had , and about 50-100+ times more then SecondLife had. crazy to think about it.
Varenvel
yes Second Life initial cost of development till first release was slightly under 5 million.
FTUG
jherazob
This also lacks everything else from the list
4vie
I've not heard a whole lot of Zuck outside Meta/VR stuffs. He might be an approximate of a human being, but he seems to be
4vie
"keeping to himself", or is that just my poor choice of new venue?
hazelismycatdog
Zuckerberg? ?
Rexsplode
a valid counter argument.
rshini
honestly that's as much a shitty artstyle as it is poor graphics, going for a more cartoony style wouldn't make it so jarring
Vergenbuurg
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
https://i.imgur.com/96gq9FD.null
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Adventure is the game that makes you think, "holy shit it's a miracle anyone ever thought video games were a good idea."
JasonForge
To me, The Lion King (2019) is a great example of why graphics isn't all that matters.
V0rch4
This is a post about video games?!
rshini
they look good - until they move, it showed a lack of care to make animals feel like they have weight and impact, and they don't emote
japh
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
Ah, the game that finally broke me and made me never pre-order a game again.
DerpMeister
I bought it 2 years after release and it was...okayish. Had nothing on the original Mass Effect triology but didn't make me puke.
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
It had its pros, good combat, Vetra is 2nd best waifu, neat worlds. But the story and lack of renegade options were total trash imo.
frozencloud
dumidiot
Controls are way more important. Good games with bad controls are so depressing
ScrooblyDoobles
100 comments incoming with people jerking themselves off over how smart they are for “not caring about graphics”.
CandidGamera
If OP were true, text adventures should be thriving. Spoilers: they're not.
Onsvaltti
Graphics mean a lot to me. So much that if the game looks like poo, I don't have patience to get to know it. ? No matter how great it is.
Onsvaltti
And right before that is the camera thing/ is it turn-based game, etc. Camera following the protagonist, and kicking ass freely? Nice.
TheDrunkenWrench
Result of growing up with 80s/90s games. https://medium.com/message/playing-with-my-son-e5226ff0a7c3
NotCthulhu
Graphics are all games are now, time to heal that chip on your shoulder and help us get good games.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Plus realism takes a fuckton of work, it's incredibly hard in many ways. It deserves more respect than it gets.
Kalthramis
For a good 8 years it was the only thing people talked about. People would buy games entirely based off graphics. It was a real thing.
DangerTrain
Graphics can really enhance the experience. Give action more punch. Give locations more depth. It's not just "pretty".
Nykidemus
that's true, but actual graphical fidelity is not nearly as important as clarity, good signage, and art direction.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
They go hand in hand together
Nykidemus
they're definitely connected, but it's important to be aware that they're not the same thing.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
It's friggen obnoxious, these arguments always come up when some new game is critiqued for its butt ugly visuals
Cataleast
The problem with the concept of "graphics" is that for many, it's 200GB of 4K textures, shaders out the wazoo, etc. "Realism" in short ->
Cataleast
-> when it's such a bigger concept. There are brilliant games that lean into a stylised look, but for many that's not "good graphics".
SenfinaZeit
Borderlands being the most famous example.
DarkBusterBaron
I would argue Okami is more famous for it's graphics than Borderlands.
SenfinaZeit
I mean borderlands has a whole franchise I think its the more recognizable IP. Either works as an example though.
TheFishFace
"good graphics" means mostly "graphics that I like". It's subjective and that's fine
LordLobster
I'm all about graphics. Look at all the simulator games. Before we had flight sim, now we got every job out there as a game.
Wallerwilly
Nothing wrong with that, i think in certain genre it's what makes the game and i find them enjoyable for that. But Stardew Valley just sayin
sevenfingers
I love simulators, but 99% of them dont have incredible graphics, they have amazing gameplay.
ArkenX
Show me the "Anal fisting porn legend" simulator game. I'll wait.
Cyrilion
Look up porn on your own time friendo
CasualBoulder
Might not have to wait long with steams policy changes.
Ionico
As a lifelong gamer, I strongly disagree with that order rank. Gameplay is correct. Controls should be 2nd.
vanderzee
the comment i was looking for, bad controls will ruin even the best games
SebastianCrab
As a gameplay programmer, thank you.
Unclescam
I've had the art style vs graphics argument several times....yea graphics are great but not everything should try and be photo real.
Nykidemus
photorealism is really only good for some things. It's fantastic in The Last of Us. It would not be beneficial in Tetris.
imoutofnames
Ngl, most people say they don't care about graphics but man every time a game comes out that isn't top tier graphics people throw a shit fit
DanSapSan
People are throwing shit at graphics where i literally can't see what they are crying about.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
I get what you're saying, but it's largely not the same people
44no44
Games trying to be "realistic" have to measure up to modern standards. That's why art style is so important. MC and Ultrakill are gorgeous.
BleedingQuasar
Vocal minority
camtin
literally Minecraft bro
numbonvalium
Almost like those are completely different people.
Username62611
Doubtful, I'm pretty sure this "people" guy is just a hypocrite.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Just western games, Japanese games get away with anything.
imoutofnames
Pokemon would like a word with you. There was a major shit storm for legends arceus.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Lmfao that game proves me right. It has fucking 83 on metacritic. Pokemon fanboys ate up that garbage with a shovel.
yzark01
Was gonna say this. These days any game that isnt pushing the limits of graphics gets shit on, even if it has amazing looking gameplay.
yzark01
Inversely games that are pushing boundries of graphics generally have dull gameplay wise and feel like the same shit we've played before.
imoutofnames
Ty. I love people bringing up random / indie games as if any major release doesn't cause a shit storm.
Avenkal19
Dwarf Fortress would like a word with you.
Rapsarony
Sad that mermaid farming got nerved.
AlwaysUpvoteBunnies
Blood for the Blood God!
AllSystemsNominal
I do often feel that games with mid tier graphics tend to have shitty physics and animations. I sorta use graphics as a measuring stick.
yzark01
Similarly I feel that 90% games with top tier graphics are lacking in terms of gameplay. They always feel like shit we've played before.
yzark01
Like i dont really give a shit anymore about good graphics if its the same old ubisoft style open world or linear set piece shooter.
yzark01
We need less people pushing graphics and more people pushing the boundaries of physics, interactivity, and AI.
AllSystemsNominal
Yes. Art style and lighting can do a lot as well. I wouldn't mind less graphics if the physics, animations, AI, etc. are top tier.
rollercostarican
Obviously game play is number 1, but If I'm going to be looking at the screen for hours then it helps if I enjoy what I'm looking at.
rollercostarican
And the designs of some games either pain my eyes or bore me to death. There should definitely be a balance. I don't wanna play NES pixels
Sauroctonus
That's why "art style" is there. I think when people talk about "graphics", they're usually talking about making it look as "realistic" >
Sauroctonus
< as possible.
rollercostarican
Perhaps but it's hard to completely separate because realism is still a style. And render quality can affect the appeal of a style. Also
rollercostarican
There are tangible benefits to graphics like ray tracing... Real time shadows and reflections, being able to distinguish a person from a
rollercostarican
A bush in the distance, being able to still see enemies in dark places, and overall just quality improvements because lack of render quality
Absent
I dislike the modern "realistic" graphics, looks waaay too fake. I much prefer a cartoonish style.
Cataleast
Uncanny valley hits pretty hard these days. Realistic works pretty great as long as you hide the faces of the ppl in your game, esp. eyes :)
allysuzumiya
I hate that one stint in the late 2000s to early 2010s where every game had a palette of beige, brown and gray
ProgeriaProstitutes
Made in Unity probably
Cataleast
I remember hearing ppl say that it was an Unreal Engine thing, but that doesn't make sense, as many such titles didn't run on UE (eg. GTA4)
JonnyMal
That’s one of the reasons Windwaker is so timeless
Absent
Exactly
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
How are cartoony graphics less fake? I love how the effort to make something more realistic just gets you more shit.
MegaTroidVaniaBros
They didn't say that it looked less fake. More like, "I prefer increased fakeness to failed realism."
BlueDsc
Something trying to look real but not quite being there looks more fake than something that isn't trying to look real.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
That is objectively false. It can feel more unpleasant bc of uncanny valley, but it is undoubtedly not less realistic than cartoon graphics.
BlueDsc
1) When they say it looks more fake, they're not saying they think cartoony graphics look more realistic. It's the fact that those cartoony
BlueDsc
2) graphics don't look realistic that makes them more appealing than realistic graphics that end up looking fake.
SpaceHaggis
Gameplay all day over graphics. Played MGS1 again and was like wow holy polygons but after 10 minutes doesn't matter, gameplay pulls you in.
carlsagansghost
But MGS5 looks better and plays better. So why not play the best looking and playing one?
CitizenPrime
Gameplay aka mechanics?
IsolatedAsshole
For real. Plus, after I'm done, I always remember them looking better than they are if I was having a good time.
andrewrankin1087360
Is MSG1 the one that had liquid snake?
cheesedogs
Minecraft is one of the best selling video games of all time and those graphics are goofy
LasseReinbong
I was shocked how sh*t it looked when i played MGS4 and got a flashback with PS1 graphics on Shadow Moses. MGS1 was still one of the best >
LasseReinbong
games i ever played.
shibbytothelibby
Dwarf Fortress is the greatest game ever made.
SaltyEsq
Gameplay + replayability should be to two spots
2Ghoul4School
It depends on the game. Disco Elysium barely had any gameplay at all - it was the story and art that made it special. Same with VtMB.
flyinghamstick
Same with good looking games. I stop noticing after 10 minutes.
FurtiveGlancer
MyNameIsBlood
I would instantly buy a true remake of MGS 1 with only modern QoL changes. Nothing else.
MarcelMichelsen
Until someone pulls out 2b's polygon filled ass
PastaLaPizzaBaby
My favourite game. I would love to see a iphone version
camtin
same with Doom
NotSomoneElse68
I'm paying Doom 64 on my switch. I love it. Of course I played original Doom when it came out so I'm old.
Dante94k
or ultrakill
WonderfunkJones
COLONEL. ITS GRAY FOX. IT'S GRAY FOX, COLONEL.
RideTheStimutacs
It's no good! I can't do it! No! I can't do it!
RoaringTourist
Paramedic!
brandsilven
I honestly loved how MGS5 played, and would have liked a MGS1 remake with the 5 engine. But again, that's also gameplay (with graphics, too)
SpaceHaggis
Mgs5 has great controls but it needs a corridor to keep you in it. Too much fokin about
thekreat
Indoor maps! None to be found. Made me sad.
carlsagansghost
MGS5 is the best playing game I’ve ever played.
iwenttousersubandalligotwasthislousyusername
This is why I'm actually a huge fan of remastering old games. Take the ones that work and give them a cosmetic upgrade after a decade or two
SpaceHaggis
Would love a red faction remake
LSKG
also the better the screen you use the more blocky it looks
vcgetdown
It's more than that. No integer scaling and poor SD processesing in general makes games look worse on 'better' than they ever did on crt
kahooki
monkeydwolfwood
Yep some older games used crt resolution to actually smooth out their graphics
brandonblk
someone post that sonic? waterfall gif
vcgetdown
Just the way the phosphurs work and how it has a natural anti aliasing. Watching SD content on old tvs never liked pixelated for that reaso
IAmTheBadW01f
I wonder how much of that could be imitated with software on existing hardware
KommSusserTod
So you're telling me CRT is making a comeback?
Finrau
Never left. And you can find Crt monitors and tvs for free on facebook marketplace every so often.
FreemansRedHotRebar
It does have and almost unlimited refresh rate
SpaceHaggis
Old tvs are worth a fortune now
We11thatwasC00L
Maybe downtown, but they're still ending up in the trash out here in the rural Midwest
VanessaWhips
i live downtown & there is a crt tv in the dumpster right now, no one knows where it came from
Mikehippop
ThankYouForYourTime
Bless us these oh holy polygons
SpaceHaggis
Lara croft
ThankYouForYourTime
Ah, so I invoked boobs then.
SpaceHaggis
The point
Sage042000
Snake staring at Meryl's pixelated ass was always hilarious to me
thekreat
Looked just like real life back in 98
RideTheStimutacs
The part where she's possessed right before the Psycho Mantis fight, my friends & I spent hours blowing her up. It reloads at the same spot.
RideTheStimutacs
You can punch her out, then set a claymore and hide under a desk. She'll come running to smack you and then blow up. Nikita works great too.
TrumpRapesChildren
I love FF7, but ho boy does it's graphics look like wrinkly butthole now. Good thing there's mods for that lol
ElSephiroth
Or remaster. FF7's is very good on multiple accounts, including gameplay
SaltyEsq
Its not a fun replay though because of all the fluff. One time through most those places were enough, thanks.
famicus
https://youtu.be/4v37L1krqDk
ElSephiroth
You seem very salty.... Badum tsss, honestly though, I would have killed my parents to have a game like that when I was 10. So hard disagree
GaetanBamphous
Hard disagree
kahlzun
Wait, there's mods for ff7 graphics?
TrumpRapesChildren
Yep. And a 60fps mod to go with them!!
kahlzun
Is this through like Nexus or what? I've been wanting to replay ff7 but the graphics were holding me back
TrumpRapesChildren
Tbh I'm not entirely sure. Fuzzfinger on YT posted a video iirc. Try 7th Heaven? I haven't looked for the mod in a while actually.
TrumpRapesChildren
Now keep in mind the 60fps doesn't affect "everything". But it sure helps out. Also sprite updates to boot.