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BigJaseNZ
Actually, there is a huge amount of evidence of corruption in military expenditure in Afghanistan.
NeedNotApply
Or maybe he was saying many of the claims were total bull shit and we just handed out the money anyway.
RickonStarkKinginTheNorth
US troops have literally been proven to have stolen millions of dollars. That is a proven fact. This guy's bitching doesn't change that.
hedgewizard
There have been US military personnel convicted of stealing over $50 million in Iraq and Afghanistan.
BatmanIsTheNameBattingIsTheGame
Just because someone's in the military doesn't mean they're automatically more honorable. I've met some rude, lazy, fuckos since I joined1/2
BatmanIsTheNameBattingIsTheGame
2/2 three years ago, and I'm sick of those types of people demanding respect from civilians.
BealzAfuzz
Are you aware of the 12-14 billion that stands unaccounted for that Bremer airlifted in in cash? The 2 billion de
BealzAfuzz
discrepancy is a crime in itself. Some one in control of the money lost rack of the money. Who had control of the money and where did it go?
MyRegularAcctIsntAnonymousEnough
not the soldiers, the ones who took the money, and who has the missing 6 BILLION!
ohmygodimonfirewhyarentyouhelping
I like to think my grandpa (we're Canadian) who served in Korea would be happy with the society we have today, but I think the truth was 1/?
ohmygodimonfirewhyarentyouhelping
Even back in the mid 60s when he left the army he came back to a population that would 10-15 years later simultaneously condemn them 2/?
ohmygodimonfirewhyarentyouhelping
And support them in certain cases, just like trump, condemn them for "taking our money" but then saying we love them! 3/?
ohmygodimonfirewhyarentyouhelping
People condemn what they don't understand, and the war you were in is young and opinions are still hot, but that doesn't change you're a vet
ohmygodimonfirewhyarentyouhelping
And unfortunately you got the real view of what went on, we got the the Fox News view or the made for tv version in other cases
mwh1974
As a citizen of the UK with great respect for the USA.Im scared for America
rebel1996
Take your tea tax and f' off.
NoPatrickAttackHelicopterIsNotAnInstrument
Rolling Stone did an excellent article on how contractors lost millions and shipped literal pallets on money over to pay.
zma123456
Trump fraudulently used his buildings to collect 9/11 relief fund. So how does this man cares for this country and the citizens?
CitizenDickbag
Ah yes, a con man billionaire who made a career out of bilking people complaining that some soldiers are living very well...
VSGH
Given his shady business dealings, him accusing anybody of "living well" is laughable
Dutcher
That story aside, the idea that it's odd that a vet living well is used as an insult is appalling.
LiterallyYourMom
Trump grew up in a time when everyone pissed on homeless and broken Vietnam vets.
staplesthegreat
Anyone in this country who lives well is insulted in similar fashions tbh. Southerners will call those who start living better as uppity for
staplesthegreat
Example. Hell, people from the ghetto insult those who get out and live in nicer areas. It's not, imo, so much a "soldiers shouldn't live
staplesthegreat
Well" thing. Moreso I think it's a "how dare people live better than me" thing.
Dutcher
Huh, interesting. I thought for years that the cultural approach or American Dream was to live like the 1% (high consumerism and all).
Dutcher
It's quite contradicting to what I've heard about the U.S. Especially considering how often I hear stories of people willing to help others
Dutcher
reach their dreams.
staplesthegreat
The American Dream is defined by owning a house, having a good job, and raising a family, (loosely defined as reaching goals). It's not
staplesthegreat
It's almost like a culture is multi-faceted, with various sub-groupings within the larger grouping
DanZ51
This makes no fucking sense, that job was given to officers not enlisted. An area that size wouldn't be given to a fucking E-5 1/2
DanZ51
I mean fuck my roommate a Captain of Marines did this shit and State never let him touch the money and thorough? GTFO I smell BS. 2/2
OurDreadFather
That and with the army they almost never compensate with money but with some sort of trade good.
iNeverWearPants
I'm surprised you weren't downvoted into oblivion.
DanZ51
Me too, but I mean FFS if they were giving control of the $ to an E5 I wouldn't be surprised if shit went missing. That's why they didn't.
Hattersin
Guy tweets frustrated anecdote in response to general statement by Donald Trump. Imgur nods head in agreement and upvotes.
Tychodin
trumpeters say he's the only one who supports the troops. when pressed, they explain that they mean he's the one who will start another war.
CrumblyTater
As a trumpet player, I hope that the term "Trumpeters" is not widely used to describe Trump supporters. Such sad, much mad, very shame.
TheSuperJay
Because all our friends and family members serving in the military want nothing more than another war, right?
westvideo
Rumsfeld. Donald...
Skyhighatrist2
As a non American, fuck Trump in particular. My president is in many ways worse than him but also very much alike.
mycatToastwasafatasshole
Where are you living? I'm curious to the comparison.
CommieShillPaidBySoros
If one soldier in the Waffen-SS did his job properly, did all of them?
every1dies
At E-5 he's not going to be put in charge of shit. Nice try POG.
jiggityjakeysnakey
ikr
SemiAverageMike
I thought it was a bit farfetched too
TheCureForBeingACunt
I was looking for the POG call out xD it'd be some colonel or some other top in charge of whatever he claimed he ran at 21 as an E-5
StooperDave
to be fair. a lot of money went unaccounted for in Iraq. just because you did you're job properly doesnt mean someone isnt rotten somewhere
WowWhatAWhore
So he is preaching the choir then? That's exactly what the vet said.
AwesomeName
Generally, (besides the funds that are accounted for now), money got lost after it was handed over to the Iraqi government.
Trollingstoned
I'd be more inclined to look at the owners of contracted companies (Dick Cheney) instead of foot soldiers working under thorough inspections
jsktrogdor
1/2 Because who needs to self-analyze a culture of war mongering and a military industrial complex starting unjust wars when you can just
jsktrogdor
2/2 shit talk the veterans who served in them and blame them unfairly because money went missing.
BattloidKouji
IIRC, most of that was money given to subcontractors like haliburton.
zetada
your*
Colenelshitpostermcgee
Maybe the money wouldn't have gone amiss if the US had used it to improve the lives of their own people instead of killing other people
TheDeadWillWalkInMyMemes
Afghan vet here, I personally saw hundreds of thousands knowingly be given to the talib by our pos lt. col.
JohnnyJaKatate
Found the reply threat with trump supporters
ResoluteDuck
Read Ghost Wars about the CIA in Afghanistan. A lot of money did go missing but it wasn't soldiers losing it (usually).
StooperDave
didnt say it was soldiers. the CIA can steal money as effectively as any soldier... or more so.
mininimi
But trump did
biolologist
You directly implied that, jackass.
Chakra5
yeah but to flat accuse the rank and file, without any facts in hand (as usual), is despicable 1/3
Chakra5
and on it's face disqualifies him for the office yet again. The whole operation was set up to fail on so many levels, 2/3
Chakra5
including ass-hates at the top at the time, and money driven contractors galore because we did not have the forces to do the job. 3/3
OnePunnyGuy
As the OP said, it would be a lot harder to pocket money on the side than you'd think.
onassi2
But who are we to say that? It could have been easy at that time and that situation, for all we know.
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
Nah. There's audits. It could've happened, but forensic accounting is rather thorough
jamandtoast
I watched half a documentary about that. They caught the A-Team responsible and sent them to prison. I wonder how the second half ended...
leavinit
Who hasn't Trump disrespected at this point. Women, Muslims, Mexicans, Soldiers...the list goes on. All around asshat.
StarrrryNight
You forgot about CHYNAH
PhysicsnStuff
Christians, by claiming to be one and proving to be the total moron. No surprise that he showed misunderstanding of the most basic theology
PhysicsnStuff
"I don't recall ever asking God for forgiveness. I like to just make it right myself and move on from there"
MikeKeyser
He's also insulted the sane, rational, and dignified as well. Anyone who favors truth and facts.
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
The Chinese, the disabled. He's a bully. Pure and simple.
RatalieArcadia
But he loves China. He said it approx. 134,082 times.
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
And they loved it when he mocked their accent! They didn't write a bunch of articles in newspapers, expressing their outrage.
RatalieArcadia
But Chinese people love being made fun of. Chinese people specifically. Gotta make it clear that I'm definitely not not being not unracist.
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
They really aren't a proud people, who could never place embargoes or tariffs on us, destroying our economy.
Pangs
White, male conservatives.
CaptainQuarkk
As a white male who is largely conservative, I have to agree. I want a better candidate : /
TheSuperJay
I'm way liberal. I wish you had a better candidate too - for all our sakes. We ought to be able to respect each other even when we disagree.
AGroupOfPugsIsCalledAGrumble
Add it to the lists of reasons not to vote for the man. Doesn't matter, somehow he has captured a demographic that buy into his BS
AllHighAustin
I really hate to say it but I'd rather have Trump than Hilary.
megandives
Upvoting because I agree, but also username.
BurnsDream
thats called the murrrcuh demographic
LemonFanta
There's a gaggle of those idiots floating around here somewhere... give it a few more minutes. They'll pop up.
EvLPxL
Hello.
LemonFanta
Yaaay!
PrettyLittlePlatypusPony
I feel Trump supporters are the ones that caused us to have so many warning labels on things that should just be common sense.
IAmDrBanner
The ignorant, whiny, "everyone but me is reponsible for my problems" crowd is larger than you'd think, sadly.
IAmDrBanner
I guess it is just easy to push the blame onto other people and relieve yourself from it. It becames even more easy when someone "important"
IAmDrBanner
like someone running for President tells you that. Gives it "validity", somehow.
NihonJinLover
I've been trying to think of the proper words to describe it but I think you did a fine job.
akmarksman
Then you have the other sides candidate and her contributions: Benghazi and Clinton Cash..
tamlandbrick
Exactly. Trump is ignorant and insulting, but Hillary lost American lives and didn't even give a crap. One of these is not like the other.
JustADumbRename
No. No she didn't. Jesus fucking christ I am tired of that line of fucking bullshit.
tamlandbrick
Wow the Hillary shills are real.
JustADumbRename
Have you read anything? I'm not posting imaginary links to imaginary shit. Dislike her all you want - Benghazi was not on her.
IJustLikeToArgue
How can you say she was not responsible? She knew in real time what was happening and did nothing to send assistance? She was Sec of State.
JustADumbRename
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/benghazi.asp
JustADumbRename
http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/benghazi-attack-timeline-facts-and-myths
JustADumbRename
That's actually false. Like, demonstrably false.
JustADumbRename
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/may/16/fact-checking-benghazi-our-most-recent-round-/
JustADumbRename
http://www.snopes.com/trey-gowdy-admitted-benghazi/
JustADumbRename
http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/cia-benghazi-13-hours-michael-bay-as-distortion-of-benghazi-1201681295/
JustADumbRename
(2) TL;DR: No, you're wrong, the movie is wrong, she is not like on a radio telling people to not save them and all this BS.
DanMoshpit69
Looks like you got crushed by facts...
njullpointer
the people pocketing the millions were the blackwaters and oil interests. Not the vets, not the canon fodder.
Sebastan
So in other words, businessmen?
njullpointer
kind of, the businessmen (and women) who like to have a side-job in congress, who just happen to have shares in security/materiel companies.
PigsCanJump
Some did try to take Saddam's hoarded cash, and got away with it for a bit, but they all get caught. But not taxpayer money.
njullpointer
nobody got away with billions of tax payer dollars? of course they did. they skimmed off the top by contracting out at local prices
PsychopompGecko
Just FYI, Blackwater renamed itself a couple times over by now. Currently they go by Academi. Just so we know what they go by now.
Pencillin
In-between they are XE Services or something like that
JohnnyricoMC
Looks like they change names more often than F1 teams replace tyres.
PsychopompGecko
Corporations: Have a major fuck-up? Just change your name and no one will know it was you.
YamatoIouko
It's almost never the average men. It's almost always the rich and powerful that do the worst things.
TheClayKnight
It's almost like trump is the current embodiment of both those things....
YamatoIouko
*absolutely is. Sorry, had to correct that for you.
IWasHereFirst
There's actually been studies done on this. The richer/more successful you are the more mean and self entitled you become.
YourBuddyBill
GEE I WONDER WHY
hottpunkchick
Is it possible that the meaner and more selfish you are the more likely you are to become rich and successful?
alfindel
I think it works in the two directions. Making a lot of money makes you crazy.
AmiAthena
I think that's part of it. Some rich people are charitable and feel compelled to give away millions or billions. But there are others who 1/
AmiAthena
are maybe only rich because they're greedy, and it seems like there are plenty of them.
YamatoIouko
Look at who it is that give away, though. It's typically the ones that came up from little or nothing.
GoudaMuenster
So, you didn't get a basket of money? I thought everyone received small loans of a million dollars.
rickeyspanish
a million dollars is a pretty small loan especially considering what he turned it into.
IHateApostrophes
You mean how if he had just put it into a basic stock index he'd be worth more today? He's a god awful businessman.
BubbleMcBubbles
ZING
DongSayaDae
I understand the loan, but calling it small, and saying how he had it rough/not an easy life as well.........ye sorry i aint getting that...
Dorkypanda
Beat me to it!
beastmodejada
Brush... Savage
venushiva
Only from their dads
DankMeansDampAndDark
SergeantOldSchool
Of Sadam's cash from the tractor trailers? Oh yeah, we, wait, I mean, no, wait, what were we talking about? LOOK! A MONKEY! -=disappears=-
hoefty
Of all the things trump has said the "small" loan bit is moderately understandable. The man made his name in NYC real estate where ... 1/2
hoefty
a million dollars might get you 2 properties if you're lucky. Real estate is a different world than personal finance.
CIarkKent
hahah 'small loan' gets me every time
dell1862
Well, in the business he went into it is a very small loan. Doesn't excuse him for being a dick though.
Wellfuckthis
Not at the time....we're talking about 1968 here.... http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/politics/donald-trump-small-loan-town-hall/
MagikLight
and this
MagikLight
It just goes to show how disconnected he is from the average citizen. A silver spoon blinds him
HockeyStatMiner
To be clear, this guy is not me. I saw it on twitter and posted it. Sorry for any confusion.
IcedMyself
Honestly I find it hard to believe an E5 had so much responsibility. I do believe it, but I'd figure at least an E7 would have that position
IcedMyself
Honestly I find it hard to believe an E5 had so much responsibility. I do believe it, but I'd figure at least an E7 would have that position
EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind
I'm an E4 and fly on multi-million dollar aircraft, responsible for its safety and flyability. We don't all just carry guns and take orders.
IcedMyself
I have a friend who's in charge of everything behind the WO's in their helis. He's an E4. I'm military btw
IcedMyself
So what are you a 15T?
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Maybe in the past when personnel was greater, but since the 2011 sequester all branches have been downsizing asking lower ranks to do more.
IcedMyself
I understand that's a tremendous responsibility and a very honorable one. However I think an E5 being in charge of 5m people is more eerie
EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind
USAF 1A2X1
IcedMyself
Pardon my ignorance but I'm Army and have no idea what that means
IcedMyself
Honestly I find it hard to believe an E5 had so much responsibility. I do believe it, but I'd figure at least an E7 would have that position
blackych4n
He's a good dude. Went to HS with him.
KittyArcher
1 You'd think that, but you got scumbag ncos. I got stuck running a dfac in the morning for 5 months before the commander of post asked my
KittyArcher
2 Command why the fuck is an e1 the only person he sees in the mornings and why I was the one always calling when people didnt show up for
KittyArcher
3 for duty. The nco in charge of me, once he started showing up for breakfast chow, told me i wasnt allowed to talk to anyone higher ranking
IcedMyself
That's actually not surprising at all. Once had our E7 push a made up SHARP case so she could get the E8 slot. She failed
OtterAvalanche
E5? E7? Excuse my ignorance... what does that mean?
tankmemes
He's talking about the Messerschmitt bf 109 fighter plane. The bf 109E-5 wasn't as good as the Bf 109-E7 /s
MissShadyJ
It's the enlisted rank structure. The E stands for enlisted and the number corresponds with your rank E1 being the lowest and E9 the highest
OtterAvalanche
Neat. Thanks!
McKavian
http://www.militaryfactory.com/ranks/army_ranks.asp - here is a graphical list of Army ranks for you.
Visser3
different ranks, higher the number higher the rank e=enlisted if you see something like o4 the o= officer
OtterAvalanche
Neat. Thanks!
szepasszony
Is it like G5 in government work?
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Technically speaking it's more "pay grade" than "rank".
waitwhatidontgetitexplainitslowly
To be clear, Trump is most certainly referring to this: https://i.gyazo.com/f200e7e4b41d174c272fa59c007a28db.png
stealthgunner385
Title is misleading as fuck.
TheForceRestrained
Oh.
takemewithyoupretty
Thank you.
novaldemar
Its funny that both Trump and this guy are sensationalizing their positions and both miss the point. Corruption happened despite there being
novaldemar
many many honorable hardworking service men and women working with US funds during the wars.
EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind
But...but...you're not supposed to use logic and reason! You're supposed to make radical assumptions followed by aimless rants!
ItsRealTalk
This isn't an aimless rant though. He made a sweeping statement, and people who did good work got reasonably upset.
Bladeroller
Don't give him slack like that,destroy him by any means necessary,logical or otherwise. We're watching from north of the border like wtf...
EyesLikeTheSky
Both are so bad I don't even think it matters anymore
samsonguy920
So what do you suggest? The other front-runner is just as shitty and more than happy to rip people off.
Crough
Gary Johnson.
Bladeroller
I speak for all Canadians when I say we want nothing more than to see the strength and reach of your people restored. Dream again. 2/2
slaptyback
She just lies to you about it instead of saying it to your face.
Ynigmatik
Both of them lie, it comes with the position. The difference is who they lie to and what they lie about. #AllLiesMatter
Bladeroller
I suggest the American people do what the founding fathers said should be done in such a case. Toss your government and form a new one. 1/2
samsonguy920
That will probably happen. After one of these dingdongs has been sitting in the White House and more people realize what they did. >
sp3ctr4l
Not from the US but this Trump thing is beyond a joke now. Seriously how did it come to this America?
StarrrryNight
They thought "if you ignore him he'll go away" approach would work. Just like Chamberlain did when he declared peace in our time.
Voggix
Because sadly many Americans lack any sense of perspective outside their own narrow experience. If it's different it must be bad.
buckeyes995
Well he's starting to do realllllly bad in the polls now, he probably hit his peak of support
TylersSenseOfEnnui
Aaaaaaaaaaand he won the presidency. Way to go guys.
WilliamKeith
The GOP has fed racists sly nods for years. Donald is just not so sly, so they love it, enough that he survived proportional primaries.
WilliamKeith
*non-proportional
THEREAINTNOWEEPININTHISHOME
Short version: The GOP's habit of 80-man primaries screwed them over voter pool-wise. Trump won states with 40% While Bernie lost with same.
CAPSYELLMUCHLOUDER
I apologize in advance for anything he does when he is president
Dudeofallteenages
Did you see the other candidates for GOP nominee? I dare say Trump was probably the lesser evil this year.
NomDeImguerre
Because Trump says what he thinks. It's entirely inconsistent, but that doesn't matter, because it's not about truth, it's about sincerity.
flippywizgig
I mean, he's pretty awful, but it isn't as though other countries haven't made bad political choices.
sp3ctr4l
Oh we aren't perfect but his guy jebus
Alexagon
Indeed, we Europeans made that mistake in the 30s and it seems to be coming back into vogue.
LemonFanta
A truck load of in-viable candidates for the Rs and a fringe group of hateful people.
onassi2
"Fringe"? He has huge support. You think nearly half the voting population in the US is hateful? Hmm.
LemonFanta
Rs are less than 45% of the voting population. At best, he got 40% of that. That isn't half.
onassi2
There are a lot of differing polls out there, so nobody's sure yet. But it's still a lot of Americans.
LemonFanta
Being generous, he got 20% of the vote. And many of them were holding their noses. That isn't a lot.
LemonFanta
I'm not quoting polls. I'm giving you the numbers from the elections that have already happened.
LizardEnterprises
1/? The in-depth analysis is that he appealed to a minority of racist Republican and Independent voters, who never actually went away
LizardEnterprises
3/? with Jebs campaign imploding early on, and Rubio and Kasich splitting the moderate vote. Perhaps more importantly, Cruz stayed in long
LizardEnterprises
7/? stayed home instead, and it became a race between two differently extreme wings of the party (and Kasich, who didn't actually do
LizardEnterprises
6/? dropped out, in the hopes that everyone else would line up behind Cruz, as the lesser of two evils. That didn't work. Moderates just
LizardEnterprises
11/? Republican system is a byzantine patchwork of dozens of individual state rules and hair-brained methods of dividing up delegates that
LizardEnterprises
13/? instead proved to be easily hijackable by a deranged billionaire with tiny hands and delusions of grandeur.
LizardEnterprises
5/? candidate. Realizing that he was going to be a douchebag and sabotage the election, Rubio and most other Republicans (except for Kasich)
LizardEnterprises
4/? after any candidate in his position would ordinarily have dropped out, so that he could attempt to set himself up as the not-Trump
LizardEnterprises
10/? representation, and a small number of super-delegates to act as an emergency brake in the event of crazy people, but instead the
LizardEnterprises
2/? after the civil rights era. That ordinarily wouldn't be enough to get him the nomination itself, but there was no strong frontrunner
LizardEnterprises
8/? anything, and imo just wanted to stay in long enough to be the last not-Trump in the race, so he could position himself for a 2020 run)
LizardEnterprises
9/? All of this could have been avoided if the Republicans had a sane system of primaries, like the Democrats do, with proportional
LizardEnterprises
12/? was *designed* to end the primary process early (to avoid what the Democrats are going through now with Bernie's zombie campaign) but
LizardEnterprises
14/14 tl;dr - There was a perfect storm of candidates with no appeal, selfish pricks, and terrible rules that Trump could abuse.
NeinLives
Well said
RatalieArcadia
I wish I could upvote you more than once. ...Oh wait, I can. +14
WittyNerdReference
He's been hurling insults at vets for a while now. I'm annoyed that veterans are automatically assumed to be right-aligned.
MagmaFalcon55
Well most of the generals are, and who else do the politicians actually care about?
kittensaremetalaf
Neither Clinton nor Trump care for Vets. What are we to do?
bisclavrt
Vote for someone else. Someone you like.
kittensaremetalaf
Johnson. But he cannot win. The vast majority of Americans seem to insist on voting in a tyrant.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
Well the alternative major party candidate has said "it's time the United States started thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity" so...
CitizenDickbag
Yeah, in 2011, 8 years after the invasion. The idea being investment from US businesses will help rebuild the country. Why is that bad?
tomyironmane
I'm insulted that you automatically assume Trump to be right aligned.
danceyoucandanceeverybodylookatyourpants
I'm annoyed that right-aligned people are automatically assumed to be Trump-aligned.
birdmanbuck
I'm right-aligned and I could never in good conscience vote for Trump. I'm very conservative, this fact does not make me stupid
MaxximumB
America has taken up arms before to free themselves from a brutish tyrant. Good luck with the elections in November.
TorSverre
Who has he NOT been insulting?
ImAnOrava
globalism is anti nation, thus anti army (it prefers defense contractors). there is nothing appealing for the soldiers/veterans there.
ScreamedStableBoy
They are both idiots, don't really have a choice
waitwhatidontgetitexplainitslowly
/www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/05/u_s_troops_have_stolen_tens_of_millions_in_iraq_and_afghanistan_center_for.html
AceBandito
Dude spent the last decade crusading to have vets removed from the street in front of Trump Tower cuz the "image" was "deplorable" for NYC
Goku2012
Has he seen New York city? They put their uncanned trash by the fucking sidewalk for pickup. It hasn't been clean since it was New Amsterdam
Hairyballsack
Then you don't live in NYC.
itsthevoiceman
Most vets I've met realized the mistake of joining the military after the fact.
Thethingfromtheshadows
Is there anyone he hasn't insulted yet?
KingDookies
Most vets are Libertarians. Most of the left interpret us as being "right-aligned" because of this.
LowSpeedHighDrag
Travel and exp. tends to push people to center. I'm not liberal enough to be perceived as left, and so I must be right aligned.
Kichini
I want to know how any vet can take him seriously. I'd ask my father but he's essentially disowned his anti-trump children.
jaminjimmyjames
That's rough, man.
Kichini
Not as rough as my pro-trump birth giver saying trump has NEVER flip flopped his speeches. Like.... what?
jaminjimmyjames
It's the Trump way. Say things that sound nice to your confirmation bias, automatically take it as truth, then refuse to hear the contrary.
eveninthefuturenothingworks
My mom works as a civilian teacher at a joint forces base here in So Cal. The vast majority of the military there are disgusted by Trump
JohnnyTitelips
Even if they are, Trump is a special case. No sane person would vote for him.
thekevinshow
Opposing Trump isn't a left-wing or right-wing thing. It's a right thing.
mikeatike
But I thought you said it wasn't left or right? :)
Hairyballsack
A wing WING thing. How did you miss that?
mikeatike
Mmm, hot wings.
Rasdwatrium
Gee, it's almost like a loud minority gives you guys a bad rep..
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
While wrong in many cases, there is an "army guy" stereotype. just like there is an "IT guy" and "Barista" stereotype.
FlorbFnarb
I'm very right-aligned, but I can't abide the Witless Ape. His list of sins is long, but his BS about hunting families of terrorists...
FlorbFnarb
...really takes the cake.
amoeba15
Stepdad is a Vietnam vet, retired after 20 years. Believes everything Trump says. It's frustrating.
urinalcakeslooktastyforsomereason
I am active duty USN and not right aligned at all. Middle left. But truthfully most military service members are conservative.
randomthug
Remind your shipmates that he thinks POW's are losers. Make them understand that he thinks being caught makes you a loser. Fuck him.
urinalcakeslooktastyforsomereason
I also think Trump is a fuck face.
OnePunnyGuy
The majority are right aligned for some reason, much to my dismay.
amayawolf
Republican presidents tend to pay the military more so a lot of military members vote for republicans.
NotMyScienceAccount
Lol WHAT? Go sit in a corner and think about your stupidity.
LowSpeedHighDrag
A lot of us travel, exp. other cultures, and become more center. Generally there's an anti-welfare sentiment too, an "earn it" mentality.
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
The right supports strengthening the military, keeping guns, and reducing govt control. I can see why soldiers would support that.
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
When I say government control, I mean on a social level. Not a militaristic level.
BeardicPerformance
I think it's mainly because Republicans are seen as the "guns" party while Democrats are the "butter" party (Poli Sci terms). Basically 1/2
BeardicPerformance
Republicans are seen as more pro-military and strong FoPo while Democrats are seen as more pro-education and domestic spending.
ImAnOrava
the majority is rooted in the country (literally). there is nothing appealing in a globalist agenda for those people.
EddieDeanofNewYork
Most people in the armed forces are southerners, it might be a cultural thing
jaminjimmyjames
You've gotten some down votes, but your are right. The South has voted consistently red since the 60's (Civil Rights Act was signed).
AftertheRenComestheRenbow
I think a lot of that has to do with the southern strategy
jaminjimmyjames
2 sides of the same coin.
ICanSeeForever
Republicans talk a big game about "supporting our troops". Then they slash their benefits and issue substandard equipment.
SwaghettiYologneseWithMemeballs
Yeah, support the troops, but only until they are no longer that way
itsakidsbooksantiago
And people on both sides are making insane money S war profiteers. To blame the soldiers for missing money makes me puke blood.
Hairyballsack
Don't forget behind every working NCO is an Officer redesigning their office.
diss
"Don't forget, your weapon was made by the lowest bidder." And goddamn did it show when I was in.
comingbacktowhereivealwaysbeen
Literally everything is made by the lowest bidder
RelativeVelocity
I shit you not, my M16 has an original A1 lower receiver (not the wooden one). Lowest bidder is right.
Grimtastic
When were you in? Branch? Specialty?
RelativeVelocity
I'm still in. USArmy
nycterelis
Marine?
TheRickestRick
Literally almost every Soldier in my unit, and most that I meet on post, have said they want to vote for Trump. I just keep my mouth shut.
IJUSTWANTAcleverUSERNAME
But maybe you shouldn't. Obviously I don't know your situation and, you know, you live your own life. But, if these people believe Trump is
IJUSTWANTAcleverUSERNAME
The best bet for president. Then, hopefully at least, they don't actually know what he stands for. I'm not saying attack them, but bring up
IJUSTWANTAcleverUSERNAME
If you can, the things that he says and stands for that maybe the media isn't reporting on and they just don't know.
IJUSTWANTAcleverUSERNAME
Also I love your user name
Kerryblue
Trump disgusts me on such a viral level, I have a very difficult time listening to his lies. You need to express your views with your mates
TheRickestRick
I've tried multiple times, but as I said in one of my other comments, they tend to think circularly, or irrationally. I have even heard them
TheRickestRick
make offhanded comments to other people we work with who happen to be of Mexican descent, as a "joke." Everyone just laughs, and I feel
TheRickestRick
like they are missing the irony of it all. It's not that I am offended by any of it, because I'm white and honestly have very little to
WittyNerdReference
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm busy waiting for my VA appointment. Just 6 more months to go. Maybe. That's constant bipartison fuckery.
thatoneguywhoyouthoughtwasryanrenaldssexclamation
Congrats on turning 100.
OldIronsides
Here's what you do: stick up a convenient store, once you're in jail, get healthcare much more quickly... may be certain drawbacks though...
region12sec
I'm very sorry that you happen to fall through the cracks of a system that is only interested in you as long as you serve their purpose.
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
As a veteran 3 months away from separation, this scares me.
atechnicnate
This is the norm. Not the exception.
MechaNinja
The cracks are a great deal wider than the thing you fall off of. Have been at least since 'Nam. Probably worse now.
Reemy420
Just a reminder, you go go online and view the voting record of all Congressmen. Guess which side tends to shhot down benefits for vets.
DMGuy
Gotta' love it, first side to send troops to war, last one to actually give a shit about them.
AftertheRenComestheRenbow
*cough*republicans*coughcough*
ddgman
Yeah, there's plenty of blame on both sides but at the end of the day it's the Republicans consistently voting to underfund the VA.
gamblingpoet
My gf had to pay a medical bill before it went to collections. She paid it to protect her credit, then the VA said "lol you paid already (1)
topherrobin
Medical bill to a 3rd party or to the VA hospital?
gamblingpoet
sucks to be you bye". She's out several hundred dollars now because she got tired of fighting them to pay.
mistatorso
I applied to get aid for losing hearing and i gotta wait 5 months. I feel you
OldIronsides
WHAT DID YOU SAY? I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET MY HEARING AIDS YET!
mistatorso
That's literally my life, at 29. haha
Fairdinkums
Forgive me for being an ignorant Englishman, how is he doing so well when he keeps talking shit about very large groups of people? I.e vets?
Grungeking
It's a goddamn mystery to me. I don't think it makes any logical sense.
imcurrentlyatabar
This is the single best piece I've seen Re: Trumps popularity. http://www.vox.com/2016/5/20/11720276/donald-trump-authoritarianism
neorek
He's mastered psychology. Which works the less someone understands it. Attacks on education lead to someone like him.
The1FluffyPanda
So many Americans are ignorant and don't research unbiased sources on their preferred candidate. It's actually kind of infuriating
CitizenDickbag
He's not doing so well now. His poll numbers are tanking. Clinton leads him by 9-12 pts in the most recent national polling.
bluedeanie
Republican policy is notoriously awful for the military and vets' benefits but they've successfully crafted a narrative as the pro-vet party
duskerz
Not many listen to the bs speeches and get summarised rehash from media of all forms. Also there's far too many unverified statistics 1/2
duskerz
He'll supposedly Bernie drags in more people and crowds, yet the other candidates win out over him...
HannibalMontanibal
The military has a strong anti-PC culture, which is the only thing Trump has going for him. Those too lazy or stupid to care about (1/2)
ShamnusMcfee
A large number of angry, stupid people that like the idea of blaming other people and having an easy way out.
laurafrancesca
He backs out of what he said and says something in the insulted groups favor. He has no actual position that he sticks to Anything for votes
EddieFitzgerald
Agreed. But unfortunately that description applies to a pretty vast majority of US politicians in my opinion...
aGrumpyPotato
One of the writers over at cracked.com did a series on Trump. You should read it. More insight into his support than the media bashing 1/2
aGrumpyPotato
Them as racist hillbillies. 2/2
ratfaceddog
To be fair, he does have the racist hillbilly vote locked up.
aGrumpyPotato
Mhmm he does, but not ALL of his supporters are that. A lot of them are simply frustrated with the norm, yet misguided into believing 1/2
veronicamarsdestroyerofworlds
There is a very large population of uneducated white people in the U.S. He has supporters that don't fit that mold, but that's his base.
HannibalMontanibal
anything else are the only ones who support him. Source: I'm a veteran (2/2)
ObiWanValJean
Thank you for your service, thank you even more for the user name.
Goku2012
Awesome "Hanna Montana, human flesh eater" usernames > Freedom... yeah, I can get on bored with this ideal.
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FelixTheCAT5e
You know, Minus the actual things he has said in negativity.
chickenliverssquishedtogether
If you mean the shit that spews from his mouth with no regard for the people he is insulting.
AliBarber
So... are you a supporter? Cos you kinda come across as one
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AliBarber
Yet you deleted your comment from embarrassment @indybuzz? Yeah I'm not letting you get away with it you fiend
ThePickle
People hear what they want to hear, and ignore the rest. Personally, I don't like trump but I fucking hate clinton. Gary Johnson 2016!
Ienjoysneezing
Because he only won 40% of the republican party which is 20% of america and their base has been feed red meat -Pres. Obama is the devil- 1/3
Ienjoysneezing
Spit up for the past 8 years not to mention since 2005 our government has become so polarized that both sides don't trust each other 2/4
Ienjoysneezing
and because of that when ever the media covers him saying these things and shows it to average people who dont pay much attention 3/4
Ienjoysneezing
The right-winged side of america thinks its liberal agenda bullshit and assume they took his words and spinned its actual meaning.
QueenCousland
You know how Imgur hates PC culture and thinks people are too sensitive these days? We're the mild version.
laboon
he is an asshole and makes people who agree with the shitty things he says feel better and more correct in their shitty beliefs.
MundaneFinality
You underestimate the number of angry, ignorant people who live here.
Flyndaran
Shit tons of racism and partisanship. Or worse, "at least he's 'honest'."
Veit
All the republican nominees were extremely repellent, and Trump cultivated the image of the brutally honest outsider.
EddieFitzgerald
I think this sums it up quite nicely, as sad as it makes me to type those words...
TheRealCaveJohnson
As a Repub and a staunch #NeverTrump, that's not true. We had some fantastic candidates, but hysteria and abject idiocy won the day.
Veit
Who wasn't repellent? I've heard that a lot of people didn't hate Kasich, but he's about as openly misogynist as Trump, and we knew it.
Melanisia
Basically "You know all the hateful, racist, sexist shit you wish you could say? Well I say it!"
Veit
I'd go a step further--"you know all the hateful, racist, sexist shit THE OTHER CANDIDATES wish they could say?" Made them seem dishonest.
zenthulu
CNN, which is like the BBC if they decided that the readership #s of The Sun meant they had the right idea, says Trump is 70% unfavorable.
zenthulu
So if he gets elected, at least we'll hate it more than the rest of the world. Unless he does start a nuclear winter, which he might. Sorry.
Melanisia
You know how stupid the average person is? And half of 'em are even more stupid than that.
NameNotFoundException
Despite what the quote is, it should be median if you want to be correct, not average.
bakedfrostedflakes
-George Carlin
YouThoughtThisWasAUsernameButItWasMeDio
nope, chuck testa
BlackZao
Did you have to shake the dust off of that one before using it?
KittyArcher
No fucking clue, but all the vets i know want to vote for him. Blows my mind.
shavtetri
My husband is a homeschooled vet. With the exception of his mom and uncle, no one in his military or conservative christian circles is.
ChakkaMofo
Commenting as a vet, that man scares the hell out of me. I see him walking us into a world war.
KittyArcher
Thank you! It blows my mind to see men who served with my dad who fought in serious shit wanting president
OceaniaAE1
Fuck Trump.
Sneckz
Drumpf*
bloodpuncher
Not even with someone else's penis, my friend.
Onepocket1973
And Hillary. It's turd sandwich vs. douchebag. They both suck balls.
Voggix
One is an average politician. The other is a dangerous megalomaniac
gmoney88
I get people don't like Hillary. I don't either. In the end, at least she is an adult and not a whiny baby
JustADumbRename
What has she done that levels with this kind of disrespect?
Piewhore
She hates the military unless she can use them for her own gain
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
She's the stronger candidate for forgien affairs. And the situation with Russia & China leads me to believe we need her, not him.
IronDyno
As one who has been somewhat distant from the political situation, I too would like to know.
buckeyes995
Don't ask people on imgur, it's v biased.
RatalieArcadia
This. The only way to form a truly unbiased opinion is to do your own research.
SamArt53
Let me count the ways... I can't even begin to list Hillary's evils in 140 SMS...
Xirema
She got in the way of Bernie Sanders, aka "The Chosen One" and is therefore literally Satan.
thegreatninjaman
her complete inability to be trusted.
JustADumbRename
What has she done which is untrustworthy? What do you think she would do as president which is different from what you would expect?
thegreatninjaman
flip flopping over different subjects to gain peoples votes, the whole Email server thing, ect
thatoneguywiththebeard
Some people call it Benghazi but all traces of that have disappeared.
thatoneguywiththebeard
Downvote if you want. And cute with your Internet facts. They can't put anything on the Internet that's not true. But I'll stand by my 1/2
thatoneguywiththebeard
2/2 military brethren on this one. I'm not defending anyone but she's clearly an incredibly shady person and can be bought. Not cool.
JustADumbRename
What do you actually know about it? What did she actually do? Do you know how soon after she was notified those that died were killed?
JustADumbRename
(4) order didn't actually happen? And the incident it references happened WELL after all 4 people were dead? AND it was the correct choice
JustADumbRename
(5)the special forces were diverted to where they were moving everyone-had they not been redirected, they'd just have gone where no one was.
JustADumbRename
(2) Do you know she does not get directly e-mailed every security request? Did you know the "100+ security requests" they made were over the
JustADumbRename
(3) span of over a year, and many of them were approved, and she was directly involved in like, none of it? Do you know that the "stand down
Blount
Mistrust of the Clinton political machine, her tenure as SoS being awful any number of scandals, lack of conviction to her policies.
JustADumbRename
What was wrong with her as SoS? And these are pretty goddamn softball when compared to "narcissistic brat who advocates war crimes."
Blount
Her foreign policy during Arab Spring left land fertile for ISIS to exist, and the current migrant crisis. Also worsened global relations
Blount
I loathe Trump, but I trust his incompetence more: he can't do half of what he blusters, and what he could do invites impeachment.
Blount
I'll gladly discuss more later when I'm not busy and on a phone, and hear your side of things. I'm not happy with either candidate though.