I saw a video where someone shouted to a black ICE officer, "Hey, man, slavery is over. You don't have to do massa's bidding anymore. Didn't anyone tell you?" The guy looked pissed... or at least his eyebrows did.
Fourth Amendment: “Under the Fourth Amendment, you cannot enter without a judicial warrant signed by a judge. An ICE administrative warrant is not sufficient.”
28 Code of Federal Regulations § 287.8(c)(2): “Under 28 C.F.R. Section 287.8(c)(2), ICE officers are required to identify themselves when making an arrest.”
18 U.S. Code § 912: “Under 18 U.S.C. Section 912, it is a federal crime to impersonate an officer. Please show me your badge and credentials.”
The front walkway, porch and doorway are typically exempt from the definition of curtilage. The rest of the land around the house, nope, protected by the 4th. But, unless they have a warrant, once you've confronted them and told them to leave, they must leave. Unless they are actively pursuing a suspect, like in a foot chase, and they see them enter your property, then they can enter without a warrant, but for that purpose only. I think this is how they're trying to get away with it.
There are many other exigent circumstances that allow warrantless entry, though. Protective sweeps (if they hear someone screaming and “believe a crime is being committed), if they smell weed at the door, etc. Like so many other fundamental rights, the far right has whittled away at the 4th amendment over time to where it’s nearly worthless.
With all the hate that black people have endured over the years it's simply disgusting that they would willingly join a terrorist group to do the same shit that's happened to them. Fucking delusional hypocrites. Probably think that if they join the Nazis, they'll be left alone. Hahahahahaha.
"Police ERO". Cute how the vests identify them as Police first in large white letters, and use a smaller less legible font for ERO. And ERO seems like an innocuous acronym because we haven't seen it much, but it stands for "Enforcement and Removal Operations" - literally the people who's job it is to go out and grab people.
I know it's easy to say on the internet, but we as citizens need to start shooting these fuckers on site FULL FUCKING STOP Report me to the mods, you cowardly fucking MAGATs!
The way ICE has been implemented, the opportunity to just walk around in similar gear and pretending like you're an official is VERY EASY to do.
But what's worse is... there are people who've been conscripted by ICE (now that it has a billion dollar budget) with NO QUALIFICATIONS, and "chartered" with doing tasks like this -- roaming the streets "looking for someone" and terrorizing people.
This is fascism. It's a form of domestic terrorism.
But what if we started cosplaying like them? Rolled up and said "we got this, there a bunch of brown people down the road at 7-11." And then got them out of there.
It's an amusing idea, but frankly I really don't want to tangle with these people. The power they've been given... they can just nab you, haul you off to a detention center, and you've got NO RIGHTS at all.
there should be a rapid response team on the ready for incidents like this. You could even show up in the same too small faux military gear with 'ice' on it. I'm ice what are you doing, no I'm ice. The psychiatry sketch from Monty Python come to life. You can't underestimate comedy's effects to lessen the hold of fear on people.
#1 You see how the one thug took his picture and the other said, " Go ahead," and he replied," I got it". They are being told to get facial recognition of people for whatever list is coming next.
yes, them taking pictures of protestors warrants a 'so what'? what is going to happen, what is your fear?...btw, this is NOTHING NEW, You know how many traffic cams in nYC have views of every single protest, and that's not including the cams outside banks, businesses, etc. If you're afraid of showing your face in public, it's decades too late.
Being afraid and understanding the coming consequences of fascism are two totally different things. It’s good for everyone to understand and connect said dots.
you're disasterizing. I heard this 'we're all be carted off to the camps' talk before every protest so far....and what's the difference between being photographed at a protest and being digitally 'photographed' by each comment you write, and matched to your driver's license photo. maybe you should stop commenting too. Or speaking. Or thinking. I connect the dots between what happens when people are afraid to resist.
Just an FYI most ICE "warrants" are administrative warrants that do not allow them access to private homes. Refuse entry, demand to see the warrant, if they force entry call 911.
YES. This is the way. People keep saying to exercise 2A rights, but that will get you arrested or killed. However it is perfectly safe, legal, and valid to call 911 and say people are impersonating cops and have no ID to prove otherwise and are threatening the community. Cops will have to show up and either these guys are fake and will get arrested or at the very least you gum up the works
Cops get REALLY mad when you call the cops on them. Because dispatch calls are automatically recorded with time stamps and everything. If they try to get the call thrown out as hearsay, then everything the cops say becomes hearsay and inadmissable. It's a nightmare for them. Do it every time. If they don't show their face, badge, warrant, or refuse to identify call 911 immediately.
At the very least... PAPERWORK. Make cops hate MAGA, because everytime ICE shows up in their city, they have 8 weeks of 911 calls about masked gang members.
If they're too selfish to support our humanity, let's have our humanity benefit from how selfish they are.
Consider how the majority of the people on ICE raids do not seem to be actual ICE staff, but auxiliary officers cosplaying as ICE with very random equipment and training, as seen in multiple videos.
Pretty sure they're 3rd party contractors AT BEST. I think some of these 'raids' are really just fakes abducting people, or at least trying to. In either case, if they can't or won't identify themselves (and I've never seen real sworn officers of ANY agency refuse to do so), do call 911. You can't assume there aren't racist MAGA types itching to impersonate ICE for the sake of committing modern forms of lynching.
Valid, but honestly I would never be able to tell the difference. They could show me a piece of paper with their taxes on it. But they don't have it. For me it's an immediate, "Warrantless masked men are kidnapping people! Help!" And then the police have to tell me they won't help prevent citizens from being kidnapped.
Civil rights groups are desperately trying to get guides out for people for this exact reason. They will also present documents in english to non-english speakers/readers. Ice maintains the thinnest layer of official appearance to intentionally trick people. If they were a business they would all be in prison for fraud jsut based on their practices let along using that fraud to kidnap. https://immigrantjustice.org/for-immigrants/know-your-rights/ice-encounter/
Many police departments have rules on how they identify themselves to the public. If they don't or refuse, then I would consider they are not licensed officers. Anyone in a public position should have to identify themselves. It's how the public can monitor government employees.
The pliers are faster. Just grab and pull. Also, removing the valve core is a prank that can be fixed on the side of the road, ripping the entire stem out needs more effort to fix l.
A small bit of wood with a sharpened nail sticking out one end is perfect. The nail only needs to be 1cm long. It's cheap, easily disposable, doesn't make a lot of noise and works well. Puncture 2 holes in the sidewalls and keep walking.
Even if it takes seconds to do and is easy to replace, the more they get delayed, the more the get sabotaged, the better. Make them miserable, make them waste time, make them paranoid.
That would be a terrible idea. Especially if people followed the instructions on YouTube for removing the piezoelectric speaker in the AirTags, making it even more difficult for them to be found when they ping the occupants’ phones. That would be very irresponsible of people to do that.
Terrible idea. It would also be terrible to follow the tags home, photograph and dox them. Or even to the parking lot where they store these vehicles. Be safe.
I don't think these guys are fans of public transport. They look like they'd be truck nuts. Do you they consider themselves Uber men? Hm, maybe they do.
Did you hear his accent? Either he or his family is going to get grabbed soon, and then there will be the usual, how did this happen to me, I didn't vote for this bullshit.
I noticed he has 2 different cell phones, he gets one out, then puts it away and brings out a different one. Anyone have any ideas why he would have 2 phones? Usually someone having 2 phones is for some sketchy or illegal purpose, but I can't really figure out what that might be.
The list is simple: everyone, including themselves. They're a deathcult, a community of people too cowardly to off themselves and too stupid to think. They are the worst kind of person and the world is worse with them in it.
Fuck ICE and these "cops" are shady af. But for reference, it is extremely uncommon for regular officers to have an ARREST warrant. Those are stored at jails and or police records divisions, depending on the size of the agency. Search warrants on the other hand, different than an arrest warrant, are required to be present at the time of search.
Also, ICE doesn't (technically) arrest people so they don't have warrants. What ICE does is - legally speaking - detain suspected illegal immigrants so they can be presented to a judge. Fuck what they're doing and how they're doing it, but they don't have or need warrants so asking to see one is a waste of time and gives you away as someone who doesn't know what you're talking about. They only need a warrant to enter a private space
The electronic arrest warrant displayed on a computer screen is confirmed to exist when in the hand of a dispatcher/records employee, which is then relayed back to an officer, typically via radio.
I haven't seen ICE using cellphones to record people before. Who knows if these are real ICE agents. Or... maybe they're recording as a new tactic of terrorism. Make people afraid and back off if they're being recorded by ICE. I can imagine them going back to the "office", downloading videos into a database, and then AI used to capture faces. Now you're in their "person of interest" database... for no good reason.
They are starting to track us. Remember that dissidents and political activists were near the top of the list of who went to the CC first. It would be horrible if people started wearing trump masks.
Fuck that good all out. Camo, ballistic vest, combat boots, AR-15 with extra mags and a side arm (check local laws but legal in most places). Let these fucks know that while they may think they have a monopoly on violence that is not the case.
Yes, & LPR, probably TPMS, IMSI catchers, MAC interrogation. Palantr's software can easily ingest the entire country's cell tower log records, back to the start of the cellular era: E911 accurate continuous location data of every single phone in the country so every address you've ever visited, every car ride ever and with whom, Every website, every comment, every person you've ever communicated with and contents. If you run Win, your files, use cloud? all the data you gifted the cloud service.
It will all be used to compute your Trump Loyalty Rank. High rank = good jobs, low interest loans, easy house financing, good seats everywhere, fast transit through checkpoints, skip cavity searches, VIP service. Low Rank means you (and, by association, all your friends who don't disavow you) are a likely traitor: no credit, no internet, no travel, pulled aside for the cavity search at every checkpoint: roads, stores, forget travel. Your PNG in the US, might as well self-immigrate or end it.
They aren’t doing dick with it. “Facial recognition to identify us later” yeah right, these idiots aren’t organized. The myth that the state is all-powerful is fascist propaganda. They don’t have any plans beyond surviving the next couple of months and crossing their fingers that this doesn’t bite them in the ass when they are eventually ousted from power. Resist every time. Film them. Don’t be scared.
That program was made to disrupt and discredit centralised political movements. The idea that my neighbours shouldn’t be taken in the night doesn’t have a centre of operations that can be targeted and discredited that would make the issue go away like it would have for the political organisations they were targeting back then.
"discredit centralized political movements". After COINTELPRO was shut down, do you really think the feds stopped tracking and suppressing liberal and leftist activists, even ones that aren't centralized? Think a little bit, for God's sake.
How do you quash a decentralised movement? It’s a hydra. Fighting the movement with violence only proves us right and breeds more dissenters. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure literally everyone on this site is on a list of people who are against the current regime. Why else do you think venture capital would buy this site only to kill it. They can see the way this site leans and don’t want the ideas to spread. Why go thru that effort you may ask? They’re scared is why.
notsurethistime6
Put down your phone and pick up a bat
Eyeetsass
That fat fuck doesn’t have a badge. He’s wearing Vans. He’s a bounty hunter.
NovaStarone
ice is a bunch of fat gravy seal pussies. I said it.
RhinocerosLipGloss
Oddly, the license plate doesn't show up at https://newyorklicenseplate.com/result?plate=HWB9823. Also,
Kemi337
If you search it like you were going to order a custom plate it does say its unavailable https://transact3.dmv.ny.gov/PlatesPersonalized/
thisuserisafk
Ice taking pictures now to get back at the people. Protect yourselfs.
MatureDendriticCell
wear your own gaiter while protesting
RestlessVagabond
If there's only two of them... they aren't ICE. Most likely shitheel bounty hunters.
DrasticBastard
“I’m the landlord, show me a signed warrant and I’ll let you in.”
A. “Oh you don’t have a signed valid warrant.”
B. “I don’t have the keys on me, I’ll go get them.”
Just an easy way to make it more difficult for the fascist.
CPTBRUMBL3Z
Probably safest not to misrepresent who you are or your own authority, bet there are better and safer ways that are just if not more effective.
AnnieGoolahee
I saw a video where someone shouted to a black ICE officer, "Hey, man, slavery is over. You don't have to do massa's bidding anymore. Didn't anyone tell you?"
The guy looked pissed... or at least his eyebrows did.
thetonestarr
Things to say to "ICE":
Fourth Amendment: “Under the Fourth Amendment, you cannot enter without a judicial warrant signed by a judge. An ICE administrative warrant is not sufficient.”
28 Code of Federal Regulations § 287.8(c)(2): “Under 28 C.F.R. Section 287.8(c)(2), ICE officers are required to identify themselves when making an arrest.”
18 U.S. Code § 912: “Under 18 U.S.C. Section 912, it is a federal crime to impersonate an officer. Please show me your badge and credentials.”
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
"you are trespassing on private property. show me your warrant or you will be lawfully removed, by reasonable force if necessary."
Groovechild
The front walkway, porch and doorway are typically exempt from the definition of curtilage. The rest of the land around the house, nope, protected by the 4th. But, unless they have a warrant, once you've confronted them and told them to leave, they must leave. Unless they are actively pursuing a suspect, like in a foot chase, and they see them enter your property, then they can enter without a warrant, but for that purpose only. I think this is how they're trying to get away with it.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
There are many other exigent circumstances that allow warrantless entry, though. Protective sweeps (if they hear someone screaming and “believe a crime is being committed), if they smell weed at the door, etc. Like so many other fundamental rights, the far right has whittled away at the 4th amendment over time to where it’s nearly worthless.
Oatmealman1
With all the hate that black people have endured over the years it's simply disgusting that they would willingly join a terrorist group to do the same shit that's happened to them. Fucking delusional hypocrites. Probably think that if they join the Nazis, they'll be left alone. Hahahahahaha.
RexT109
Uncle Tom wants a paycheck.
BarnegatLight
"Police ERO". Cute how the vests identify them as Police first in large white letters, and use a smaller less legible font for ERO. And ERO seems like an innocuous acronym because we haven't seen it much, but it stands for "Enforcement and Removal Operations" - literally the people who's job it is to go out and grab people.
Leedpt
Why do they not have badge cams to record rather than recording on their own phones? This group of guys is so slimy.
rbudrick
Only 2 of em, huh? Be a shame if a neighborhood surrounded them and stomped their faces into the ground. Shame.
IslaNublar
"How do you like your ICE?", "Crushed."
voltekker
Dude cannot even dye his beard well.
CorgiInALilBlackDress
There have been videos of beardy guy before and yup - he had grey in it then - he is hiding his identity. Not well, but trying.
ziralien
Wow, one without a mask.
Chromentor
That beard looks painted on though.
aluminumonkey
They always have the worst beards. They ruin it for everyone who wants to grow one
nachosyndicate
Just for Fascists face dye.
Lucallia
Maybe they're born with it maybe it's Make-Believe.
LokiShade
I know it's easy to say on the internet, but we as citizens need to start shooting these fuckers on site FULL FUCKING STOP Report me to the mods, you cowardly fucking MAGATs!
cytherians
The way ICE has been implemented, the opportunity to just walk around in similar gear and pretending like you're an official is VERY EASY to do.
But what's worse is... there are people who've been conscripted by ICE (now that it has a billion dollar budget) with NO QUALIFICATIONS, and "chartered" with doing tasks like this -- roaming the streets "looking for someone" and terrorizing people.
This is fascism. It's a form of domestic terrorism.
katejo2000
But what if we started cosplaying like them? Rolled up and said "we got this, there a bunch of brown people down the road at 7-11." And then got them out of there.
cytherians
It's an amusing idea, but frankly I really don't want to tangle with these people. The power they've been given... they can just nab you, haul you off to a detention center, and you've got NO RIGHTS at all.
fsharpminor3s
This is what the 2nd Amendment was written for.
MatureDendriticCell
there should be a rapid response team on the ready for incidents like this. You could even show up in the same too small faux military gear with 'ice' on it. I'm ice what are you doing, no I'm ice. The psychiatry sketch from Monty Python come to life. You can't underestimate comedy's effects to lessen the hold of fear on people.
nachosyndicate
#1 You see how the one thug took his picture and the other said, " Go ahead," and he replied," I got it". They are being told to get facial recognition of people for whatever list is coming next.
MatureDendriticCell
so? take pictures of everyone. we outnumber them.
nachosyndicate
I’m afraid nothing right now warrants “so?”.
MatureDendriticCell
yes, them taking pictures of protestors warrants a 'so what'? what is going to happen, what is your fear?...btw, this is NOTHING NEW, You know how many traffic cams in nYC have views of every single protest, and that's not including the cams outside banks, businesses, etc. If you're afraid of showing your face in public, it's decades too late.
nachosyndicate
Being afraid and understanding the coming consequences of fascism are two totally different things. It’s good for everyone to understand and connect said dots.
MatureDendriticCell
you're disasterizing. I heard this 'we're all be carted off to the camps' talk before every protest so far....and what's the difference between being photographed at a protest and being digitally 'photographed' by each comment you write, and matched to your driver's license photo. maybe you should stop commenting too. Or speaking. Or thinking. I connect the dots between what happens when people are afraid to resist.
eion85
#1 this man should not have to buy a drink for himself for the rest of the month.
Much respect.
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scottcanoni
Stop trying to identify the hero here and identify the ICE agent cowards hiding their faces behind masks.
SkyGuyTheGuy
Just an FYI most ICE "warrants" are administrative warrants that do not allow them access to private homes. Refuse entry, demand to see the warrant, if they force entry call 911.
eion85
And if it's actually a judicial warrant it has to name the specific person.
thegarts
I am definitely not as brave as that guy.Thank god somebody is
Lucallia
Hard to be as brave as him when you're not a white Caucasian male. Even if you are you still have to have a lot of courage and selflessness.
philmoregraves
If i could identify him, no i couldn't. But he ain't buying a drink around me
CorgiInALilBlackDress
Anyone who films ice and uploads is a hero - we need to be able to identify these villains for the new Nuremberg
darkslyde
id get this man drunk on my dime for this. mad respect
CrisprCAS
Call the cops, says some people impersonating law enforcement are trying to break into a house.
CoqRoq
"Heavily armed black gang members are attempting to break in to my rich white neighbor's house".
Attritshun
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cGpyNG9tZm44ZmdjbXJvMGo3cnFxenRha2lkOWprOHZzaGthbzE0ciZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/RYjnzPS8u0jAs/200w.webp
SpamYarBlockers
YES. This is the way. People keep saying to exercise 2A rights, but that will get you arrested or killed. However it is perfectly safe, legal, and valid to call 911 and say people are impersonating cops and have no ID to prove otherwise and are threatening the community. Cops will have to show up and either these guys are fake and will get arrested or at the very least you gum up the works
SaintSleepyWeasel
Cops get REALLY mad when you call the cops on them. Because dispatch calls are automatically recorded with time stamps and everything. If they try to get the call thrown out as hearsay, then everything the cops say becomes hearsay and inadmissable. It's a nightmare for them. Do it every time. If they don't show their face, badge, warrant, or refuse to identify call 911 immediately.
leechdemon
At the very least... PAPERWORK. Make cops hate MAGA, because everytime ICE shows up in their city, they have 8 weeks of 911 calls about masked gang members.
If they're too selfish to support our humanity, let's have our humanity benefit from how selfish they are.
cobrien77
Is there a correct way to slash tires?
rlrobles5
Glue a small pebble inside the valve cap
bahamutepyon
Cut the valve cap
krielovas
Slash 3 of them
ExTechOp
Consider how the majority of the people on ICE raids do not seem to be actual ICE staff, but auxiliary officers cosplaying as ICE with very random equipment and training, as seen in multiple videos.
Euchre
Pretty sure they're 3rd party contractors AT BEST. I think some of these 'raids' are really just fakes abducting people, or at least trying to. In either case, if they can't or won't identify themselves (and I've never seen real sworn officers of ANY agency refuse to do so), do call 911. You can't assume there aren't racist MAGA types itching to impersonate ICE for the sake of committing modern forms of lynching.
LokilairTTV
Is this signed warrant in the room with us right now?
YesButMaybe
haha
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
I wonder what happens to the people they take hostage..
SaintSleepyWeasel
Produce the warrant or call the cops.
Asadsadsadclown
Judicial* warrant. Ice will produce executive warrants that hold no power. The courts are a vital middleman in law enforcement action and are not part of how ICE operates. https://www.nilc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Warrants-and-Subpoenas-101.pdf
SaintSleepyWeasel
Valid, but honestly I would never be able to tell the difference. They could show me a piece of paper with their taxes on it. But they don't have it. For me it's an immediate, "Warrantless masked men are kidnapping people! Help!" And then the police have to tell me they won't help prevent citizens from being kidnapped.
Asadsadsadclown
Civil rights groups are desperately trying to get guides out for people for this exact reason. They will also present documents in english to non-english speakers/readers. Ice maintains the thinnest layer of official appearance to intentionally trick people. If they were a business they would all be in prison for fraud jsut based on their practices let along using that fraud to kidnap. https://immigrantjustice.org/for-immigrants/know-your-rights/ice-encounter/
notsurethistime6
Screw the cops, grab a bat
TsubakiTragic
it is that time
knivesthebrutal
you misspelled "second-amendment protected dictator repellent"
Khanamana324
*Gun
CrisprCAS
Your way probably results in you getting shot. My way might result in ICE and the cops shooting each other.
notsurethistime6
I revoke my comment, I also choose this guy’s response.
rossimus
These guys, like most ICE, are just deputized amateur bounty hunters. They aren't armed and they aren't trained.
Do with that information what you will.
CrisprCAS
They are absolutely armed.
rossimus
Then bring more than a bat
They're just dudes. You can make them spill their inside juices many pretty straightforward ways. They don't have a monopoly on the means to violence.
TakeAChillPill16
Man, can you imagine if that actually happened? I could watch that all day
EchoPMIM
I like the way you think.
HannibalHoseth
…do I really have to explain why that’s a bad idea?
ThM1ck
Yes, because you sound like you're full of shit right now. Explain away.
Frostedjakes
Seems like you do need to explain.
xj4low
Many police departments have rules on how they identify themselves to the public. If they don't or refuse, then I would consider they are not licensed officers. Anyone in a public position should have to identify themselves. It's how the public can monitor government employees.
dcostanza1
Why? Waste both their resources.
Lovelyidoit
How? They refuse to identify. Any reasonable person could assume that they are impersonating law enforcement.
HannibalHoseth
…exactly…
khaoselement
It's time to start carrying a gun.
wienerdogsftw
if you carry a gun, expect you might to shoot it
Chromentor
"You" have done that some time now, it is time to start using them. And not in schools.
Madchant
Fun Fact: Using a pair of pliers, a valve stem can be pulled out of a rim with nominal effort, causing the tire to flatten in seconds.
Darkrftr
Valve stem too is only $7
IdiotSavantTinker
The pliers are faster. Just grab and pull. Also, removing the valve core is a prank that can be fixed on the side of the road, ripping the entire stem out needs more effort to fix l.
nachosyndicate
scissors?
Madchant
scissors won't cut it
itsokimaussie
A small bit of wood with a sharpened nail sticking out one end is perfect. The nail only needs to be 1cm long. It's cheap, easily disposable, doesn't make a lot of noise and works well. Puncture 2 holes in the sidewalls and keep walking.
CPTBRUMBL3Z
Even if it takes seconds to do and is easy to replace, the more they get delayed, the more the get sabotaged, the better. Make them miserable, make them waste time, make them paranoid.
Madchant
Valve stem cores are easier to replace but more difficult to remove. Pulling the entire Stem requires more equipment and time to replace.
nachosyndicate
Thats right. Slow them down & gum them up. Any little act helps the resistance.
janeQdoe
What if people put airtags on these cars? Just asking questions
StevenAlleyn
That would be a terrible idea. Especially if people followed the instructions on YouTube for removing the piezoelectric speaker in the AirTags, making it even more difficult for them to be found when they ping the occupants’ phones. That would be very irresponsible of people to do that.
CorgiInALilBlackDress
Terrible idea. It would also be terrible to follow the tags home, photograph and dox them. Or even to the parking lot where they store these vehicles. Be safe.
JeremyGabbard
I have an Android phone but it will tell me if an Airtag is following me - when my friend's dog is riding in the car with me. Surely iPhones also do?
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Yes
RestlessVagabond
What if people put molotov cocktails on them?
Neuronyx
janeQdoe
Hypothetically? It might cause the car to burn. Then they'd have to take a bus or something
robingal1
What bus? If you're not in the most metropolitan of areas, no bus for you. Uber exists. But they would likely deny the ride.
pixelsnader
I don't think these guys are fans of public transport. They look like they'd be truck nuts. Do you they consider themselves Uber men? Hm, maybe they do.
MostAwesomeDan
I hope that black dude in gear knows this shit is eventually going to be used against him, and he's helping enable that future with his actions.
GeraldsNinjaStar
Tokens get spent
fartser
Did you hear his accent? Either he or his family is going to get grabbed soon, and then there will be the usual, how did this happen to me, I didn't vote for this bullshit.
Rhythmaster
I noticed he has 2 different cell phones, he gets one out, then puts it away and brings out a different one. Anyone have any ideas why he would have 2 phones? Usually someone having 2 phones is for some sketchy or illegal purpose, but I can't really figure out what that might be.
lx469
he is not hiding for no reason, he knows well and that is what makes him a rat
RagtimeBetty
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cGNyaWV6eDV2dmQ5eTBqaXcwbW15MWxwNGRicWFheTY0eWRqanc4eiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/V37PUCKIf73csyb58a/200w.webp
DrasticBastard
That’s Uncle Tom
TakeAChillPill16
Yup, their list goes:
Immigrants
LGBT
Other minorities
Non-Christians
Liberals
Women
We can argue about the order, but the list of people that fascists hate is pretty obvious
Heavenissize17socks
Protestants
Methodists
Baptists
Left handers
Redheads
Blue eyes
Flodos
The list is simple: everyone, including themselves. They're a deathcult, a community of people too cowardly to off themselves and too stupid to think. They are the worst kind of person and the world is worse with them in it.
SmellingMistake
"Why would I show my warrant?" Isn't that the whole point of having an arrest warrant? To show as proof of your authority to arrest someone?
oreosandonions
Fuck ICE and these "cops" are shady af. But for reference, it is extremely uncommon for regular officers to have an ARREST warrant. Those are stored at jails and or police records divisions, depending on the size of the agency. Search warrants on the other hand, different than an arrest warrant, are required to be present at the time of search.
SewerRanger
Also, ICE doesn't (technically) arrest people so they don't have warrants. What ICE does is - legally speaking - detain suspected illegal immigrants so they can be presented to a judge. Fuck what they're doing and how they're doing it, but they don't have or need warrants so asking to see one is a waste of time and gives you away as someone who doesn't know what you're talking about. They only need a warrant to enter a private space
oreosandonions
The electronic arrest warrant displayed on a computer screen is confirmed to exist when in the hand of a dispatcher/records employee, which is then relayed back to an officer, typically via radio.
Lucallia
Yea but not if it's not real.
SmellingMistake
Obviously. I was just pointing out how nonsensical that response was.
mrsdowneyjr
I don't imagine legitimate police have to show strangers their warrant
phindex
I love that you're downvoted for basic reasoning. Everything that sucks about reddit is 10-times worse here.
mrsdowneyjr
🙏 thanks
bingotown
Yeah, cops with a real warrant aren’t going to bother showing it to every rando they engage with on the street.
mrsdowneyjr
People seem to think I mean these guys are legitimate police- I don't. I'm saying none of them are going to show you a warrant
ChosenChaos
Those vests look sus as hell, too. They look more like people cosplaying as cops than actual cops
azimir
They're most likely bounty hunters. No warrants, no badges, no legal authority. Just abducting people for cash.
nachosyndicate
You don't go to work in law enforcement with boat shoes/ sneakers on.
ChosenChaos
I was thinking more that if they were with ICE then their vests would say so
nachosyndicate
That and all the accessories don't make sense. They are not trained professionals.
ChosenChaos
You could probably say that about a fairly significant portion of official ICE agents, too...
Szwejkowski
The fact that ICE are filming people back is worrisome. What are they planning to do with the faces they capture?
SpamYarBlockers
Partly it is a “No U!” Uno reverse card tactic
lpooptoomuch
documenting for facial recognition to round up dissenters when they move on from immigrants.
xboson
Facial recognition app
https://www.404media.co/ice-is-using-a-new-facial-recognition-app-to-identify-people-leaked-emails-show/
Frankasti
1) intimidation, and 2) dissident identification data gathering.
cytherians
I haven't seen ICE using cellphones to record people before. Who knows if these are real ICE agents. Or... maybe they're recording as a new tactic of terrorism. Make people afraid and back off if they're being recorded by ICE. I can imagine them going back to the "office", downloading videos into a database, and then AI used to capture faces. Now you're in their "person of interest" database... for no good reason.
IslaNublar
They're not. They're cosplayers.
cytherians
Confuse the hell out of ICE?
nachosyndicate
They are starting to track us. Remember that dissidents and political activists were near the top of the list of who went to the CC first. It would be horrible if people started wearing trump masks.
xj4low
Seems like that is a personal cell phone and should be able to be subpoenaed in court.
DanielAsparagus
Those aren’t ice. Cosplayers.
xj4low
They are cowards. That's why they cover their face then run away when other people start to show up.
4Astaroth
Exactly. And should be treated that way. No warrant, no idea who they want to steal from and covering the face.
DanielAsparagus
Look at the shoes. Look at the kit. Look at the body language.
jojoyojimbi
they're bounty hunters being paid to round up "brown" people
walnutbreath
"Homegrowns are next."
DukePhelan
MatureDendriticCell
they are filming to intimidate. wear your own masks then , just like theirs. hell ,wear some camo too.
DukePhelan
Fuck that good all out. Camo, ballistic vest, combat boots, AR-15 with extra mags and a side arm (check local laws but legal in most places). Let these fucks know that while they may think they have a monopoly on violence that is not the case.
VictusVonGuyver
Yeah. No body cams, just their own cellphone.
Rule #1 of Fascism, control the narrative.
veronicablood
if everyone's filming, it makes it harder to lie about what happened, let ol' fatty contribute to the knowledge pool.
VictusVonGuyver
Yes, eventually. But the idea is to drag the person into prison and not allow any representation. You know? Typical ice?
veronicablood
yes, i understand that, and it's probably coming soon that we have to do something other than film each other, and it'll rhyme with "boot"
VictusVonGuyver
Even regular cops. I am going to have to do a follow up story in this post soon. "How a police bodycam can hide a lie" /gallery/z9lUQcf
robingal1
I've been told they're using face recognition to track protesters. I don't know if true. But i don't have any expectations any longer.
highnatized
It's true
gesel
Yes, & LPR, probably TPMS, IMSI catchers, MAC interrogation. Palantr's software can easily ingest the entire country's cell tower log records, back to the start of the cellular era: E911 accurate continuous location data of every single phone in the country so every address you've ever visited, every car ride ever and with whom, Every website, every comment, every person you've ever communicated with and contents. If you run Win, your files, use cloud? all the data you gifted the cloud service.
gesel
It will all be used to compute your Trump Loyalty Rank. High rank = good jobs, low interest loans, easy house financing, good seats everywhere, fast transit through checkpoints, skip cavity searches, VIP service. Low Rank means you (and, by association, all your friends who don't disavow you) are a likely traitor: no credit, no internet, no travel, pulled aside for the cavity search at every checkpoint: roads, stores, forget travel. Your PNG in the US, might as well self-immigrate or end it.
bajeezus
They aren’t doing dick with it. “Facial recognition to identify us later” yeah right, these idiots aren’t organized. The myth that the state is all-powerful is fascist propaganda. They don’t have any plans beyond surviving the next couple of months and crossing their fingers that this doesn’t bite them in the ass when they are eventually ousted from power. Resist every time. Film them. Don’t be scared.
NKato
Ah, the smell of naivete...
No, dude. Look up COINTELPRO, you dumb fuck.
IAlwaysEatGlue
That program was made to disrupt and discredit centralised political movements. The idea that my neighbours shouldn’t be taken in the night doesn’t have a centre of operations that can be targeted and discredited that would make the issue go away like it would have for the political organisations they were targeting back then.
NKato
"discredit centralized political movements". After COINTELPRO was shut down, do you really think the feds stopped tracking and suppressing liberal and leftist activists, even ones that aren't centralized? Think a little bit, for God's sake.
IAlwaysEatGlue
How do you quash a decentralised movement? It’s a hydra. Fighting the movement with violence only proves us right and breeds more dissenters. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure literally everyone on this site is on a list of people who are against the current regime. Why else do you think venture capital would buy this site only to kill it. They can see the way this site leans and don’t want the ideas to spread. Why go thru that effort you may ask? They’re scared is why.