Not to be that guy but can we at least takeaway that a 4day work week and wfh can totally achieve similar if not better results? Why does it take a crisis to prove basic shit? Oh right, because the system is operating as intended 🙃
Be that guy. Scream it from the rooftops. The world can exist and function with a 4 day work week. It's the corporate elites who try and break employees and workers down by overworking and underpaying them. Exploitation is the point. Before covid, no one could work from home. As soon as covid hit, suddenly every company quickly figured a way to do so, and we managed to survive through it.
Everyone is well aware, top to bottom, which is why America wars over it. But there's no easy button to get out from under that dependance. Oil provides a stunning bang-for-the-buck in energy production and use, nothing comes close. We've got to chip away where we can, and start 40-years ago.
After a very long search (getting outbidded many times) this week we finally managed to buy a house. But even global mortgage interest rates are determined by the orange idiot's actions, so this joke will cost me for decades to come.
I wonder if he timed the pillage of Venezuela correctly. I bet he planned his gang would have the stolen oil flowing by now, but since those lazy bastards have power by money and not competence, anything that requires some effort gets delayed.
They thought they'd take the Venezuelan oil fields as Hitler failed to do in the Caucuses. Strike fast, secure your oil supply, sane take. Except, uh, did no one tell them those oil fields weren't pumping out refined 89 octane?!
I doubt Trump has any idea how long it takes to get decrepit oil infrastructure to produce again. No doubt he thinks it's like turning a big steel wheel and away it goes because he saw it on TV once.
Nah it took the combined efforts of several countries and the deaths of about eighty million until someone finally put a bullet in his head. But hey, here's looking towards the mid-terms!
To be clear, grudgingly because I'm not a fan of new pipeline and fossil fuel projects. I think my country (and all others too) should be moving our economy away from fossil fuels, not increasing dependence on them. But yeah, right now, if it can help keep people alive, then I'll say it's a good thing, at least temporarily.
Unfortunately with that sort of project, I think it’s a case of "it would have been good to have built it years ago so we’d have it now to respond to the crisis", but launching new pipelines and such now would probably achieve little in the short term - and if we’re thinking long term anyway, green energy still makes more sense to me.
Sorry, I should've been clearer, we actually do have it now, it started exporting LNG last year, and they're ramping up now to try to meet the increased demand. I agree with you, I prefer renewable energy investment always, but in this particular moment, I'll say it's not a bad thing we have this terminal.
The increase only hurts the poorest among us. The middle class may bitch about spending an extra $20-$30 per tank, but that's change if you have a good job. It's a life-changing difference to those scraping by. I have to rethink going out to our camp to chill or setting up at the flea market. That is now $20 in gas for my old truck.
Most of the poor voted for a Trump. Even the poor blacks either didn't vote or voted for Trump, especially the men who thought a black woman as President would be a problem. Hispanics also voted for Trump, as did a lot of the Arab population in Michigan, or they didn't vote for Kamala. I have no sympathy. I pay a lot in taxes and would pay more if we had health care, education, and infrastructure and alt energy projects. Instead dumb poor Americans support MAGA
I'm Australia, truckers are having to spend hundreds more per tank. This is going to have an immense effect on groceries and and other goods and services (like we needed them to be more expensive now). The goods trains are diesel... They will be spending a hell of a lot more or just not operating. This is way bigger than individual usage and a hell of a lot of people need to wake the fuck up and acknowledge this
That was my take! Every coworker I've spoken with over 40 years, and many sorts of jobs, favor 4-days with longer hours. Not as easy to flip one's business to that schedule, there are more considerations than people think about, but it's doable with planning and time.
I once worked for a company that had great plans to shift a major manufacturing location from 5 day workweek to 4 day workweek. It all came from above and they really hadn’t taken into account that, with a five day week, people often had to come in on the weekend. The 4 day workweek lasted all of 2 days. Schadenfreude all around.
I've worked as a mechanic under a union here in Canadaland. 4 days a week, 36h. I quit before putting my car in the side of an overpass, but I'll sure miss the 4 days and the pay once I find a new job that is not auto mechanic.
Yeah my mother said to my sister (im no contact) that cheeto will "fix all this because hes just that good". I was like oh, so shes fucking retarted? Must be nice to live in that bubble. She can fuck right off.
personally, with all the tech bros that were propping him up I believe we will discover in time a lot of his votes were scams. we saw a large % increase in single bullet votes and just enough new voters per district to not trigger a hand count but still swing it for him across the board. it would be interesting to deep dive those votes and determine if a lot of those voters exist or were just programmed in a rush.
No we wont because every single vote is hand-compared to a vote register and confirmed by hand. Every one is witnessed by multiple people who have been doing it for decades plus partisan watchers from both parties and often independent journalists. There have been recounts and audits to confirm all of these numbers. It would take literally hundreds of thousands of people planted decades ago all coordinated by Trump and his cabal of idiots to pull off. And that fucker cant even organize a party
I agree with how the checksum should work. not cherry picking, really not trying to pick a fight at all but just dialing in one of your statements. "It would take 100,00 people planted decades ago" if I am not mistaken that is a data check on mail in and drop-off ballots, not a physical record check. if we can spin up a completely fabricated history in seconds the only issue would be inserting that fake record into the databases backdated X years.
I live only a couple of hours from oil fields, and while we won't likely see a shortage, our prices will be high too. All because another country's leader stupidly invaded another country at the demand of ANOTHER shitty country...all to avoid child rape charges.
Somebody on here said I was a moron for saying one of the ulterior motives was to get US companies interested in developing Venezuela. Told me it would NEVER happen.
Shell, who previously called Venezuela unprofitable, just said they’re exploring Venezuela as an option for production.
Those same companies LOVE their investments in Alberta. Far more than Venezuela...Exxon was VERY CLEAR about that. Just gives Canada even more financial influence over the US.
The US is currently, on average, the 3rd cheapest country in the world for fuel... It's anywhere from 2-5x cheaper than most countries while having a higher average income than many of those countries
Not saying Americans can't complain about the price, but calling it high in a conversation about global fuel prices caused by an American President?
Even if the war ended tonight, it would take decades to rebuild production with the damage done to many of the refineries. We are in it for the long haul. I've gone from looking to replace my old truck with a fun performance car to a hybrid with double the gas mileage.
Come on man, it’s not JUST about child rape! He wants oil to pad that Qatar bank account where he’s hoarding his Venezuela oil pirating money and about having an excuse to cancel elections and about fraud on predictive markets and about manipulating the stock market too
Dear Iran, please make a non-negotiable term of re-opening Hormuz that this prick be impeached and convicted. Give them a whole week to make it happen. EXTRA PRESSURE.
Your leaders are fundamentalist shitbags, and i hope they all die as soon as this is over...but they are still capable of doing the right thing.
They're fundamentalist shitheads holding a gun to the entire planets head, but they have the chance to do something that would objectively make the entire planet a slightly better place.
I hope they actually do it, but i'm betting on the resource wars starting first.
Good, now everyone point and who caused this shit.
Also, shutting down billboards and government buildings after a certain time sounds like a good idea anyway. Can't stand seeing entire buildings lit up like a Christmas tree with no one in em.
All these people that complain about screens in cars seem to conveniently forget that it's the neon billboards that cause more distractions when driving than anything else (excepting phones, obviously).
I know this is horrible news because the loss of power to these places will mean deaths, but my first curiosity is how the straight being closed has effected global CO2 levels. I mean fix the issue and get power back, but use this moment to teach the world that if we switched off petroleum we could solve other problems than energy security.
Is clean energy use as a share going up as a result? I don't think that's a safe assumption. We could make up for oil shortages with other fossils (natural gas, coal) or other CO2 heavy power generation methods like waste burning. It might be making CO2 generation worse.
I would hazard a guess, likely quite wrong, that reduced oil consumption over a period of weeks or months does indeed have a positive impact, but extremely small in the bucket of rampant, uncontrolled use for decades. Also, the massive fires at energy facilities that were attacked are releasing gases of their own that weren't in the mix before. I would say basically a wash in terms of actual impact - BUT perhaps some gain if this instability drives people to seek alternatives for the future
I'm as ignorant as you, but your take seems a solid, educated guess. The impact may come from rethinking oil consumption in areas that are low-hanging fruit. The US has been bought and paid for by oil interests, but perhaps other countries are now thinking how to hedge against future disruptions. Wife says the Philippines (back home) is indeed in a state of, uh, radical conservation.
Totally. The problem may be that the countries willing to buck the trend and try new things are likely the ones with the least resources, the ones being hit hardest by all this, the ones without any funds to sink into new alternative infrastructure etc. They may already have been wanting to do it, and just not solvent enough to do it. I imagine there are people whose entire job is to analyze this and they probably know wayyyy more. But we can hope and dream that something good emerges.
In any case, the 21st century belongs to China. They are full steam ahead on solar and battery tech, among other renewable technologies. They win: Less dependance, good jobs, tech to export, clean domestic energy, no oil wars, all that and a bag of chips. If American conservatives had any brains, energy independence could have been sold to them as pulling the teeth on the Islamic countries, among all the other benefits.
I've also found it weird that no one has been able to find an argument for this all that works on conservatives. independence, not relying on others, etc - something could have landed with the right-wing "I'm a rugged individualist" mindset. but the propaganda machine was too heavy, I suppose, and the oil companies wallets never run out of the propaganda budget.
allow me to spell it out for folks wondering why these countries are doing this. in many of these cases the "gas" is LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) and this stuff powers most of the power plants in these nations. and lots of folk use it for cooking and heating. Many of these nations do not have their own supply of the stuff and none of them can operate a functional power gird without the fuel to keep the turbines spinning.
This needs to be said more, it's single supply and the suppliers are no longer mining or transporting it anywhere - all country contracts are suspended for at least 5 years. This is going to be devastating to world markets and economies
What gets me is how lucky Europe is coming into spring/summer now, they had a taste of this a few years back when the war severely reduced the amount of gas coming from Russia, and nordstream2 getting bombed, but this makes that seem minor and this one is going to kick everyone's asses for a long time
And even the European countries with lots of renewable or nuclear energy for their grids are going to feel this in time given how most of them rely heavily on gas heating.
Like, the UK gas grid provides more energy than the electricity grid and only 30% of it is domestic with maybe 40-50% being from the rest of Europe.
Oil also doesn't work when you don't have a massive taxpayer-subsidized industry to drill, refine, and physically distribute it across the world... Petroleum is actually pretty expensive to produce and if major corporations weren't being propped up by entire governments, people would *laugh* at the idea of paying the absurd amounts of cash that you'd be seeing at gas pumps in lieu of things like hydro or nuclear.
The solar arguement astounds me. I was playing with Radio Shack solar cells as a child in the 70s-80s. Do these morons think it just shuts the fuck off on a cloudy day?! No personal experience with wind, but if the tower is tall enough, in the right region, it'll catch wind. Optimal? Maybe not, but those sources don't simply cut to 0 in non-optimal conditions.
Solar panels can even still collect power on a cloudy day. Not a LOT, not as much as on a sunny day, but they don't stop working completely just because it's a little grey.
Solar, wind, water, and nuclear are all good choices that cover for each other's weaknesses. There's literally no reason for oil or coal power. If you want to use combustibles then there is perfectly good biofuel as well (though this makes more sense if you want to produce thermal energy, say for district heating, first and foremost and power is the byproduct. Pure combustion power is really inefficient).
Wind speeds at 80+ feet are nearly double or more that at ground level. Laminar winds means the wind is much smoother as well. Very few days will generate no power for a wind turbine, commercial or residential, below 10,000 feet above sea level. The largest threat to wind turbines is severe weather and mechanical failure, and often it takes both occurring at the same time to take one offline. (brake failure during adverse weather)
Both of these arguments are massively stupid. Low wind and sun exposure are localized, temporary problems. We can cover those with energy from other areas or batteries. We have a power grid, it's not like we're suggesting you install a turbine in your backyard and disconnect from the grid. That's the only way it would matter that the wind sometimes doesn't blow.
Battery storage at the scale we'd need is laughable. The technology isn't there, or even close to *getting* there unless we make scifi-level advances in superconductor research. Serious proposals for storing energy at the necessary scale are all more creative, like using solar to create liquid nitrogen and then letting it boil in a steam turbine, or hollowing or mountains to make hydro reservoirs (pump water up the mountain with solar, then let it fall back down through hydro turbines.
As for the localized nature of renewables: even if that were a negligible issue from an engineering pov, it's a HUGE political obstacle when it comes to inter-state agreements. Imagine Oklahoma laying down contingency-infrastructure to supply blue-states with electricity in the event that the wind isn't blowing in those other states.
I have solar panels on my roof. I have had people try to tell me that they don't work when there's clouds. I have pointed to my solar panels actively producing power (less, but not a lot less) when it's cloudy. I have been told I'm delusional for believing my power meter instead of the tv voice that tells them what to think. These people don't live in reality :(
You handled it nicely. I'd be all "Is it pitch fucking black outside? No? Where the fuck you think that light is coming from? The fuckin sun, dipshit!"
I'm french. When Trump got elected in 2016 my friends didn't understand why I was worried "It's the US, how does it matter for other countries?". Now the whole fucking planet is in turmoil because of this fucking imbecile.
I went through the same thing with friends and family who kept saying it's funny content. Fast forward to the last 12 months now I'm facing homelessness with a relatively high paying job that I can't afford to drive to and have limited access to fuel as the pumps are closing with no government plan in sight(Australia).
Almost all oil Canada uses comes from the tar sands in Alberta. It's dirty oil so it's hard to refine and make into Gas blah blah blah.
Brian Mulroney got rid of our refineries in Canada and got Texas to refine it for us, they send it back at a far higher rate. 90% of our natural gas comes from Alberta... Yet... Yet... Everyone here is increasing prices...
Why? Because they can.
Our fed government and a lot of our MPs are invested in oil products. Heck we still give billions in tax subsides.
Canada should raise revenue on profits on over border energy transfers and some local. Division because of need is what the intent is of these facist b×stards.. Your government functions and you know it is semi-responsible. This is a world problem now.
Mon Ami, when he was elected the first time (and second) Americans didn't feel like the president affected their lives on a daily basis. We saw the writing on the wall and now we're neighbors, amigo 🇪🇦.
Yeah I got made fun of as well - I'm not French but live in France - because it generally was seen as the "far from my bed" show. And now, well... the only good thing about it is that I got to go "see, told you so" to a bunch of people. I thought that'd be fun but it isn't.
We have our own FOX here. And even for those who don't watch it, it's not that obvious that what happens in a remote part of the world can have strong effects for your own life.
same in Finland. They didnt understand why I told them that this is horrible for us. Now they see it(or saw it after few months him being pedopresident) but now even more. USA always does this. We need as Europeans stand together against them and tell them to go fuck themselves.
Please send help. Our police are too militarized, our elected officials bought, and our armed forces won't stop him. We will need our allies to overthrow this regime. The American people won't revolt without help...a sign... something.
"How do US politics matter for other countries?" Because the US has that ugly habit of involving themselves in other countries, whether those countries want it or it's a good idea or not.
Because the US spent everyday for 80 years making sure the US was dead center in the entire global economy. We made it important to everyone to invest in the US and the dollar was THE currency of international Trade. And in less than two years Trump's actions have completely destroyed that. And the world is going to fuck us over it. And we deserve it.
Morgan Freeman's voice: "they did, in fact, forget..." Like, dude, we got fascists in power in Italy, we got a growing nazi party in Germany, and we're living in the '20s, we're literally repeating the last century!
As someone from Georgia, USA, I AM SO FUCKING SORRY. Anyone with ANY fascist leadership should be apologizing to the rest of the world. I tried. I literally took my disabled husband to vote. I BEGGED anyone I knew to vote. I promise
As a fellow Georgian... yeah... i didn't vote for him but there are sooooo many pro trump imbeciles here in SWGA... we are a drop of blue in a sea of red but do what you can when you can and hope to see it thru to the other side.... gonna be a wild ride... /sigh
Yepp, another Georgian. My county went like 70% for trump. Literally lost friends who said I was being hysterical and that it didn't really matter anyways. We're fucked. I've never despised my country this much before.
Thank you. I don't want personal credit, I just want people to know there are non-insane peeps on the inside trying. Thank you for your acknowledgement and peace to you my friend 💜
It would be awesome if Europe became less dependent on middle-eastern oil, it kinda happened with Russian gas, so it could turn out to be a good thing in the long run, indeed
Yeah it led to a complete change in the car industry. Killed the huge american cars, pushed for european and japanese economy cars. It could help electric cars get a boost... but it will be beneficial if renewables and more nuclear energy is used... not a thing with this US admin.
That's a nice thought coming from a citizenry that is well taken care of by their government, the average citizen of the US has to work two jobs if they want to eat and have a place to live, the government gives us nothing. No free health care, no two or three months a year paid leave. If we stop working even for one week we will starve for the rest of the month. That is how it is here.
Building a guillotine is not thaty complicated. (built a fake one for halloween a fes years ago, but solid... (could have been a working one). I think US politicians are having it too easy.
Well, not really. People dying en mass was more a RESULT of the revolutions than a cause. Famine, social inequality and a national economic crisis were what actually caused the revolutions. Important to note though, all three FAILED and harmed more innocents than they ever did the noble class, and all three ended with France simply reinstating the nobility and royalty, or someone else just taking the title of king for themselves (Napoleon) and his successors BECOMING kings by birthright.
As a US citizen: you know that scene in The Dark Knight Rises where Bane gives his speech about giving the power back to the people but really he’s just unleashing a violent mob onto Gotham knowing full well he has no intentions of saving the city and just letting it eat itself?
Sure, let me just make a phone call and we'll get right on that. While the idea is fine, statements like this are just stupid. It will take generations to move away from fossil fuel dependence, and that's in wealthy countries. Many poor or developing countries (like most of those mentioned above) won't be able to do that.
Even the poorest countries can afford some level of renewable energy these days. Solar is unbelievably cheap thanks to China, and wind is also less expensive than gas already.
Honestly there's a part of me hoping this will be a massive wakeup call to transition away from petroleum fuel and invest in renewable resources. I don't think the world will suddenly and immediately transition overnight, but this is definitely shaking the tree.
So it been a bit windy the last days here in Denmark so the base electricity price*(the part that oil and gas can effect) has been almost free about 2$cent/kwh. * there are transmission cost and money going to building out the grid so the which add about 5-14cents depeding on the time of day.
We keep talking about how reform isn't enough and systems need to be dismantled before something better can be installed. Seeing these countries bombing each other's oil fields feels like the first step. It's going to suck but I have some hope that this will lead to something better
Bro, just one more oil pump will fix it! Bro, come on, gas prices will come down with one more refinery, we can stop anytime we want but just one more decade while it's going so well! /s
And the likelihood of us getting to where a group of billionaires start some Simpson's "Mr. Burns" shit of blocking the sun to make people pay for it really is no longer as unbelievable as it was 10, 20 or 30 years ago.
How about one that you can own, sitting in your own yard (setting aside renters; landlords can buy this stuff too), that runs without their involvement?
The ignorance in some of these comments astounds me. Seems like most don't see "oil consumption" as anything beyond their personal fuel tank. This planet runs on oil, in 1,000 ways outside of burning it in ICE engines. Oil for the custom lamps I make and sell? UP. Fertilizer for my garden and food. UP. And that's only 2 non-critical examples from 1 household, never mind industry and government.
And you have just told us all that you don't grok what all oil is used for. Sure, we might get loose in the next 100-200 years, we can get away from (most) private and public transportation costs (not planes!), but oil is used is SO many applications and again, I don't think you're thinking beyond your personal tank of gas.
Like Musk promoting an unscalable "hyperloop" to avoid people switching to trains, fossil fuel money has convinced a lot of people that solar and wind is the way to go.
It's an answer, although I was more keen on it 10 years ago. The way reactors take decades to build, with massive over-runs on budget, has cooled my enthusiasm. I think solar and wind have overtaken it in cost-effectiveness by this point, and if not, they certainly will by the time we can build any meaningful capacity. Fusion might have potential, though, I don't know.
We _should_ have been using more nuclear to replace fossil fuel systems, but since we haven't, by this point I'm not sure they're the better investment. Just be smart with the money -- which means fossil fuels are disqualified for sure -- and invest in whichever delivers more efficacy and reliability for the cost, or in both if it's a toss-up.
Well yes, but that's not an overnight thing right? You can't just snap your fingers and make every car electric, power generation green, houses not require gas or oil for heating. It takes time, and while this might incentivize some people, it'll hit the poorest hardest.
No, it's not an overnight thing. We've had decades to do it. Now let's think about which political factions have wanted us to keep our entire energy and transportation infrastructure dependent upon this stuff. We'll have decades more to do it... but it requires making the right voting choices.
Ive heard experts say 10 years to just get the infostructure up to get the power from where its produced (windy and sunny areas in country) to where its needed (where people live). This is the getting the easements or buying the land, the forestry for the lines, and then running the lines. This doesn't include the making the actually electrical lines.
NPR's On Point podcast had a really good series about the different materials needed for this whole thing.
I'm the Netherlands we are at the point where new buildings are struggling get connected to the power grid due to lack of capacity. The other year they actually started charging some people to feed their excess solar into the system as they had more power than they could handle... Getting it sorted is going to take time sadly. Where my mother lives in the UK there is no gas supply, for years their only heat source was either an oil-fired furnace or the fire, and they aren't unusual in that.
I've always believed that the main reason things keep getting worse is decent people doing everything they can to protect the world from the consequences of evil sociopaths trying to destroy everything.
That means the overwhelming majority don't notice or care. Until this shit affects them, things won't get better, because the majority are self-centered, ignorant, and lacking in empathy.
I just wish the closure was hitting us here in the US as hard as it is everywhere else.
I mean probably in a Ghengis Khan type way. Probably takes the top spot for "Humans directly responsible for most land repaired" Turns out when you kill every human being within 100s of square kilometers, and then kill anyone who tries to get near the deadlands, you've made a solid place for nature to take root again.
What if the world in fact uses this as an opportunity to put in use better energy sources, all due to the orange shitstain.... We live in some sort of unbelievable universe....
We know he enjoys shiny gifts like a toddler. Why not just bribe his ass to fuck off by giving him some fake but necessarily bombastic award about climate change. Give him a legacy, albeit a fake one, that he can cling to and finally fucking die.
FoxPesdassi
Well, at least this little oil thingy was FINALLY enough to make people forget all about those pesky Epstein files. Whew, sure am glad THAT'S over.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Meanwhile in an actual civilised first world nation:
UncleRat
Seems like the only thing stopping the free trade of world oil is Donald Trump.
BenderRodriguz1010
MotoCanuck
Good, now more people will take him seriously as a global threat and Israel by proxy.
AdroitCudgel
duktayp
The beatings will continue until the Epstein files are forgotten
CorvidPrime
How long until we start offering to sell them the American oil reserves at triple the price?
swedeonamoose
Even some on the right have started talking about the need to electrify more stuff in Europe, never thought i would see the day.
lightfoot2
Happiness is a warm nuke.
cactusjuiceitsthequenchiest
Not to be that guy but can we at least takeaway that a 4day work week and wfh can totally achieve similar if not better results? Why does it take a crisis to prove basic shit? Oh right, because the system is operating as intended 🙃
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Be that guy. Scream it from the rooftops. The world can exist and function with a 4 day work week. It's the corporate elites who try and break employees and workers down by overworking and underpaying them. Exploitation is the point. Before covid, no one could work from home. As soon as covid hit, suddenly every company quickly figured a way to do so, and we managed to survive through it.
Hexidimentional
and now we see just how dependant we are on a finite resource
shalafi71
Everyone is well aware, top to bottom, which is why America wars over it. But there's no easy button to get out from under that dependance. Oil provides a stunning bang-for-the-buck in energy production and use, nothing comes close. We've got to chip away where we can, and start 40-years ago.
Thesomanyethcrazycatlady
After a very long search (getting outbidded many times) this week we finally managed to buy a house. But even global mortgage interest rates are determined by the orange idiot's actions, so this joke will cost me for decades to come.
Fifofu
I wonder if he timed the pillage of Venezuela correctly. I bet he planned his gang would have the stolen oil flowing by now, but since those lazy bastards have power by money and not competence, anything that requires some effort gets delayed.
shalafi71
They thought they'd take the Venezuelan oil fields as Hitler failed to do in the Caucuses. Strike fast, secure your oil supply, sane take. Except, uh, did no one tell them those oil fields weren't pumping out refined 89 octane?!
cgt9803
I doubt Trump has any idea how long it takes to get decrepit oil infrastructure to produce again. No doubt he thinks it's like turning a big steel wheel and away it goes because he saw it on TV once.
Niagaran
All because the US elected a pedophile and won't do anything real to stop him.
Cranbananarama
Hey, they're peacefully holding signs to stop him! Oh, you said real. Yeah, no, nothing going on.
hfctom
We just don't have the votes.
Niagaran
Fascism isn't removed with votes. Once Hitler was in power, did they vote him out?
hfctom
Nah it took the combined efforts of several countries and the deaths of about eighty million until someone finally put a bullet in his head. But hey, here's looking towards the mid-terms!
Erumun
reading this makes me realize that WFM is gonna come back again in full force.
FinancialRavioli
WFM?
Erumun
typo, WFH - work from home.
Fendeezy
Work for Money, duh.
TheFullLength
You guys are working for money?
Neednoggle
I'll grudgingly admit here that right now does seem to be a good time for Canada to have an LNG terminal.
Neednoggle
To be clear, grudgingly because I'm not a fan of new pipeline and fossil fuel projects. I think my country (and all others too) should be moving our economy away from fossil fuels, not increasing dependence on them. But yeah, right now, if it can help keep people alive, then I'll say it's a good thing, at least temporarily.
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
Unfortunately with that sort of project, I think it’s a case of "it would have been good to have built it years ago so we’d have it now to respond to the crisis", but launching new pipelines and such now would probably achieve little in the short term - and if we’re thinking long term anyway, green energy still makes more sense to me.
Neednoggle
Sorry, I should've been clearer, we actually do have it now, it started exporting LNG last year, and they're ramping up now to try to meet the increased demand.
I agree with you, I prefer renewable energy investment always, but in this particular moment, I'll say it's not a bad thing we have this terminal.
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
Oh yeah, I’m with you then. It’s never so simple.
nowinsituation
Meanwhile here in the U.S. gasoline is a little bit more expensive and no one is really that concerned about it.
shalafi71
The increase only hurts the poorest among us. The middle class may bitch about spending an extra $20-$30 per tank, but that's change if you have a good job. It's a life-changing difference to those scraping by. I have to rethink going out to our camp to chill or setting up at the flea market. That is now $20 in gas for my old truck.
nowinsituation
Most of the poor voted for a Trump. Even the poor blacks either didn't vote or voted for Trump, especially the men who thought a black woman as President would be a problem. Hispanics also voted for Trump, as did a lot of the Arab population in Michigan, or they didn't vote for Kamala. I have no sympathy. I pay a lot in taxes and would pay more if we had health care, education, and infrastructure and alt energy projects. Instead dumb poor Americans support MAGA
Nakiepanda
I'm Australia, truckers are having to spend hundreds more per tank. This is going to have an immense effect on groceries and and other goods and services (like we needed them to be more expensive now). The goods trains are diesel... They will be spending a hell of a lot more or just not operating.
This is way bigger than individual usage and a hell of a lot of people need to wake the fuck up and acknowledge this
nowinsituation
Just curious, what is the Commonwealth's stance on supporting Israel in their genocide?
Nakiepanda
PM has not come out in support of it. But has sent "defence" resources over.
Most of us are against it.
RyvaTheRenamon
Business as usual.
Fanner50
So, this is one way for people to finally get a 4 day work week we were told of 50 years ago.
shalafi71
That was my take! Every coworker I've spoken with over 40 years, and many sorts of jobs, favor 4-days with longer hours. Not as easy to flip one's business to that schedule, there are more considerations than people think about, but it's doable with planning and time.
Fanner50
I once worked for a company that had great plans to shift a major manufacturing location from 5 day workweek to 4 day workweek.
It all came from above and they really hadn’t taken into account that, with a five day week, people often had to come in on the weekend.
The 4 day workweek lasted all of 2 days.
Schadenfreude all around.
MapleSyrupMafia
I've worked as a mechanic under a union here in Canadaland. 4 days a week, 36h. I quit before putting my car in the side of an overpass, but I'll sure miss the 4 days and the pay once I find a new job that is not auto mechanic.
onushka
To make it complete
ReverseSyzygy
well, that's a different problem because the US is enforcing a blockade.
It was happening before this war with Iran.
It's a problem on purpose, planned, and just inhumane and evil
5omeWhiteGuy
It's sad that most people that refused to effectively vote against rump don't care enough to acknowledge how terrible things are
marquettegoldeneagles
Yeah my mother said to my sister (im no contact) that cheeto will "fix all this because hes just that good". I was like oh, so shes fucking retarted? Must be nice to live in that bubble. She can fuck right off.
cgt9803
They'll carp about higher prices but never criticize Bigot Orange Jesus or admit they were wrong
Neednoggle
They lack the capacity to see connection to begin with.
itsjustplaid
It's a lot cooler beneath the ground where all their heads currently are.
HeHeHebieJeebies
personally, with all the tech bros that were propping him up I believe we will discover in time a lot of his votes were scams. we saw a large % increase in single bullet votes and just enough new voters per district to not trigger a hand count but still swing it for him across the board. it would be interesting to deep dive those votes and determine if a lot of those voters exist or were just programmed in a rush.
SomeDetroitGuy
No we wont because every single vote is hand-compared to a vote register and confirmed by hand. Every one is witnessed by multiple people who have been doing it for decades plus partisan watchers from both parties and often independent journalists. There have been recounts and audits to confirm all of these numbers. It would take literally hundreds of thousands of people planted decades ago all coordinated by Trump and his cabal of idiots to pull off. And that fucker cant even organize a party
HeHeHebieJeebies
I agree with how the checksum should work. not cherry picking, really not trying to pick a fight at all but just dialing in one of your statements. "It would take 100,00 people planted decades ago" if I am not mistaken that is a data check on mail in and drop-off ballots, not a physical record check. if we can spin up a completely fabricated history in seconds the only issue would be inserting that fake record into the databases backdated X years.
lifeisadadjoke
I live only a couple of hours from oil fields, and while we won't likely see a shortage, our prices will be high too. All because another country's leader stupidly invaded another country at the demand of ANOTHER shitty country...all to avoid child rape charges.
dohcohv
We might see a shortage when countries get desperate and buy oil at twice the price the US wants to.
alloutofmondays
Somebody on here said I was a moron for saying one of the ulterior motives was to get US companies interested in developing Venezuela. Told me it would NEVER happen.
Shell, who previously called Venezuela unprofitable, just said they’re exploring Venezuela as an option for production.
It’s a small club, and we ain’t in it.
lifeisadadjoke
Those same companies LOVE their investments in Alberta. Far more than Venezuela...Exxon was VERY CLEAR about that. Just gives Canada even more financial influence over the US.
Thunderbox666
The US is currently, on average, the 3rd cheapest country in the world for fuel... It's anywhere from 2-5x cheaper than most countries while having a higher average income than many of those countries
Not saying Americans can't complain about the price, but calling it high in a conversation about global fuel prices caused by an American President?
xj4low
Even if the war ended tonight, it would take decades to rebuild production with the damage done to many of the refineries. We are in it for the long haul. I've gone from looking to replace my old truck with a fun performance car to a hybrid with double the gas mileage.
thinkybrainpains
Come on man, it’s not JUST about child rape! He wants oil to pad that Qatar bank account where he’s hoarding his Venezuela oil pirating money and about having an excuse to cancel elections and about fraud on predictive markets and about manipulating the stock market too
CaptainQuarkk
Hey now, don't forget he's also trying to get Cuba to caputilate
thinkybrainpains
“Yoù cant have Cuba. You’ve barely touched your Puerto Rico.”
StatisticallyInsignificantCanadian
Hey now, don't disrespect the board of peace slush fund countries by forgetting they funnelled billions there as well.
spangolio
Dear Iran, please make a non-negotiable term of re-opening Hormuz that this prick be impeached and convicted. Give them a whole week to make it happen. EXTRA PRESSURE.
Your leaders are fundamentalist shitbags, and i hope they all die as soon as this is over...but they are still capable of doing the right thing.
RyvaTheRenamon
They're fundamentalist shitheads holding a gun to the entire planets head, but they have the chance to do something that would objectively make the entire planet a slightly better place.
I hope they actually do it, but i'm betting on the resource wars starting first.
IgnisInvictus
Seconded.
Daliena06
The Republicans would sooner carpet-nuke Iran than accept terms that would see their power wane, I fear.
Nathanyel
they'd sonner carpet-nuke the USA
spangolio
and the Dems would clutch their pearls but cling to power instead of doing what it takes to stop them
Daliena06
Also sadly true
ElbowDeepInYou
Good, now everyone point and who caused this shit.
Also, shutting down billboards and government buildings after a certain time sounds like a good idea anyway. Can't stand seeing entire buildings lit up like a Christmas tree with no one in em.
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
But, but, imagine the inconvenience of having to flick a switch before you clock out of work every day!
HappyTimeHollis
All these people that complain about screens in cars seem to conveniently forget that it's the neon billboards that cause more distractions when driving than anything else (excepting phones, obviously).
newsguycraigevans
SebastianCrab
I know this is horrible news because the loss of power to these places will mean deaths, but my first curiosity is how the straight being closed has effected global CO2 levels. I mean fix the issue and get power back, but use this moment to teach the world that if we switched off petroleum we could solve other problems than energy security.
Something1Said
Is clean energy use as a share going up as a result? I don't think that's a safe assumption. We could make up for oil shortages with other fossils (natural gas, coal) or other CO2 heavy power generation methods like waste burning. It might be making CO2 generation worse.
GasolineRain
I would hazard a guess, likely quite wrong, that reduced oil consumption over a period of weeks or months does indeed have a positive impact, but extremely small in the bucket of rampant, uncontrolled use for decades. Also, the massive fires at energy facilities that were attacked are releasing gases of their own that weren't in the mix before. I would say basically a wash in terms of actual impact - BUT perhaps some gain if this instability drives people to seek alternatives for the future
shalafi71
I'm as ignorant as you, but your take seems a solid, educated guess. The impact may come from rethinking oil consumption in areas that are low-hanging fruit. The US has been bought and paid for by oil interests, but perhaps other countries are now thinking how to hedge against future disruptions. Wife says the Philippines (back home) is indeed in a state of, uh, radical conservation.
GasolineRain
Totally. The problem may be that the countries willing to buck the trend and try new things are likely the ones with the least resources, the ones being hit hardest by all this, the ones without any funds to sink into new alternative infrastructure etc. They may already have been wanting to do it, and just not solvent enough to do it. I imagine there are people whose entire job is to analyze this and they probably know wayyyy more. But we can hope and dream that something good emerges.
shalafi71
In any case, the 21st century belongs to China. They are full steam ahead on solar and battery tech, among other renewable technologies. They win: Less dependance, good jobs, tech to export, clean domestic energy, no oil wars, all that and a bag of chips. If American conservatives had any brains, energy independence could have been sold to them as pulling the teeth on the Islamic countries, among all the other benefits.
GasolineRain
I've also found it weird that no one has been able to find an argument for this all that works on conservatives. independence, not relying on others, etc - something could have landed with the right-wing "I'm a rugged individualist" mindset. but the propaganda machine was too heavy, I suppose, and the oil companies wallets never run out of the propaganda budget.
KilroyLichking
allow me to spell it out for folks wondering why these countries are doing this. in many of these cases the "gas" is LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) and this stuff powers most of the power plants in these nations. and lots of folk use it for cooking and heating. Many of these nations do not have their own supply of the stuff and none of them can operate a functional power gird without the fuel to keep the turbines spinning.
unluckyandbored
Not just cooking and power generation. Some even use it for motor fuel.
tallyhoho
This needs to be said more, it's single supply and the suppliers are no longer mining or transporting it anywhere - all country contracts are suspended for at least 5 years. This is going to be devastating to world markets and economies
aducksayswhat
What gets me is how lucky Europe is coming into spring/summer now, they had a taste of this a few years back when the war severely reduced the amount of gas coming from Russia, and nordstream2 getting bombed, but this makes that seem minor and this one is going to kick everyone's asses for a long time
androidshard
And even the European countries with lots of renewable or nuclear energy for their grids are going to feel this in time given how most of them rely heavily on gas heating.
Like, the UK gas grid provides more energy than the electricity grid and only 30% of it is domestic with maybe 40-50% being from the rest of Europe.
MarkRavingMad
Also LPG but yeah same difference in this case.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
GlutenFreeCocaineWaffles
Oil also doesn't work when you don't have a massive taxpayer-subsidized industry to drill, refine, and physically distribute it across the world... Petroleum is actually pretty expensive to produce and if major corporations weren't being propped up by entire governments, people would *laugh* at the idea of paying the absurd amounts of cash that you'd be seeing at gas pumps in lieu of things like hydro or nuclear.
shalafi71
The solar arguement astounds me. I was playing with Radio Shack solar cells as a child in the 70s-80s. Do these morons think it just shuts the fuck off on a cloudy day?! No personal experience with wind, but if the tower is tall enough, in the right region, it'll catch wind. Optimal? Maybe not, but those sources don't simply cut to 0 in non-optimal conditions.
Shpadoinkleman
Solar panels can even still collect power on a cloudy day. Not a LOT, not as much as on a sunny day, but they don't stop working completely just because it's a little grey.
SandpaperCock
Solar, wind, water, and nuclear are all good choices that cover for each other's weaknesses. There's literally no reason for oil or coal power. If you want to use combustibles then there is perfectly good biofuel as well (though this makes more sense if you want to produce thermal energy, say for district heating, first and foremost and power is the byproduct. Pure combustion power is really inefficient).
TunnelRat13
Wind speeds at 80+ feet are nearly double or more that at ground level. Laminar winds means the wind is much smoother as well. Very few days will generate no power for a wind turbine, commercial or residential, below 10,000 feet above sea level. The largest threat to wind turbines is severe weather and mechanical failure, and often it takes both occurring at the same time to take one offline. (brake failure during adverse weather)
Something1Said
Both of these arguments are massively stupid. Low wind and sun exposure are localized, temporary problems. We can cover those with energy from other areas or batteries. We have a power grid, it's not like we're suggesting you install a turbine in your backyard and disconnect from the grid. That's the only way it would matter that the wind sometimes doesn't blow.
Scorpio3002
Battery storage at the scale we'd need is laughable. The technology isn't there, or even close to *getting* there unless we make scifi-level advances in superconductor research. Serious proposals for storing energy at the necessary scale are all more creative, like using solar to create liquid nitrogen and then letting it boil in a steam turbine, or hollowing or mountains to make hydro reservoirs (pump water up the mountain with solar, then let it fall back down through hydro turbines.
Scorpio3002
*hollowing OUT mountains.
As for the localized nature of renewables: even if that were a negligible issue from an engineering pov, it's a HUGE political obstacle when it comes to inter-state agreements. Imagine Oklahoma laying down contingency-infrastructure to supply blue-states with electricity in the event that the wind isn't blowing in those other states.
Jarjarthejedi
I have solar panels on my roof. I have had people try to tell me that they don't work when there's clouds. I have pointed to my solar panels actively producing power (less, but not a lot less) when it's cloudy. I have been told I'm delusional for believing my power meter instead of the tv voice that tells them what to think. These people don't live in reality :(
75townecoupe
Yeah, mine still make power covered in snow.
Zanzetuken
You handled it nicely. I'd be all "Is it pitch fucking black outside? No? Where the fuck you think that light is coming from? The fuckin sun, dipshit!"
YouAreTheInsultMaster
Also they mostly capture light outside the visible spectrum
CacklingOctopus
Solar power during clouds must be woke or something.
Sebastopol140
I'm french. When Trump got elected in 2016 my friends didn't understand why I was worried "It's the US, how does it matter for other countries?". Now the whole fucking planet is in turmoil because of this fucking imbecile.
somebackup
I'm in Canada and people still think like that to this day! Some people will never learn, others need to swallow a bullet.
seventytwospokes
I went through the same thing with friends and family who kept saying it's funny content. Fast forward to the last 12 months now I'm facing homelessness with a relatively high paying job that I can't afford to drive to and have limited access to fuel as the pumps are closing with no government plan in sight(Australia).
mrsdowneyjr
I'm sorry. Many of us fought against his election but, alas
Kodan00
That sort of mindset was moronic even before Trump got into office the first time.
Toqom
No, Israel, he's blackmailed by Israel who forced him to this conflict
Sulanis
Almost all oil Canada uses comes from the tar sands in Alberta. It's dirty oil so it's hard to refine and make into Gas blah blah blah.
Brian Mulroney got rid of our refineries in Canada and got Texas to refine it for us, they send it back at a far higher rate. 90% of our natural gas comes from Alberta... Yet... Yet... Everyone here is increasing prices...
Why? Because they can.
Our fed government and a lot of our MPs are invested in oil products. Heck we still give billions in tax subsides.
softsuit
Canada should raise revenue on profits on over border energy transfers and some local. Division because of need is what the intent is of these facist b×stards.. Your government functions and you know it is semi-responsible. This is a world problem now.
2015Chefj
Mon Ami, when he was elected the first time (and second) Americans didn't feel like the president affected their lives on a daily basis. We saw the writing on the wall and now we're neighbors, amigo 🇪🇦.
perlninja
Yeah I got made fun of as well - I'm not French but live in France - because it generally was seen as the "far from my bed" show. And now, well... the only good thing about it is that I got to go "see, told you so" to a bunch of people. I thought that'd be fun but it isn't.
Mack1986
Your friends have no excuse. They weren't educated in the US. They should have known better (self burn here)
Sebastopol140
We have our own FOX here. And even for those who don't watch it, it's not that obvious that what happens in a remote part of the world can have strong effects for your own life.
CharlesTooke
The Butterfly Effect gone mad.
Vempire
Imbeciles, Sebastopol140. Imbeciles.
Hippopotamuswhale
same in Finland. They didnt understand why I told them that this is horrible for us. Now they see it(or saw it after few months him being pedopresident) but now even more. USA always does this. We need as Europeans stand together against them and tell them to go fuck themselves.
whyisthisusernamealwaystaken
Please send help. Our police are too militarized, our elected officials bought, and our armed forces won't stop him.
We will need our allies to overthrow this regime. The American people won't revolt without help...a sign... something.
GeorgeCostabaplaps
I'm Canadian. Please send Croissants and the FFL
Rockafella83
You mean « oink oink titty croissant » right !?
Guttfunk
Can't, because of the oil crisis
Kurchak
Imagine releasing the Legion with a precise mission... Rofl...
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Lol yea imagine how us canadians feel living in the condo above this crazy train.
MapleSyrupMafia
We live above a meth lab.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Lmfao. I mean didnt south Dakota have like... so many. So youre not wrong.
Bystandr
Yep. Have acquaintances from Germany, Cz, Hungary, France, SE Asia, Australia and all of them were just "Why should we care?The USA deserves
Bystandr
him -* " Bla bla bla. Now all are cursing him. Sometimes what happens in other countries really can affect you from a distance.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"How do US politics matter for other countries?" Because the US has that ugly habit of involving themselves in other countries, whether those countries want it or it's a good idea or not.
DSREX
Because the US spent everyday for 80 years making sure the US was dead center in the entire global economy. We made it important to everyone to invest in the US and the dollar was THE currency of international Trade.
And in less than two years Trump's actions have completely destroyed that. And the world is going to fuck us over it. And we deserve it.
RyvaTheRenamon
And you left out the best part. They're never going to forget it.
RemtonDulyak
Morgan Freeman's voice: "they did, in fact, forget..."
Like, dude, we got fascists in power in Italy, we got a growing nazi party in Germany, and we're living in the '20s, we're literally repeating the last century!
lightfoot2
Jesus, you guys were smart and kept your nukes. You're fine.
L1ttl3J1m
Cool. All they have to do now is figure out how to fit them in the petrol tank. Before winter.
lightfoot2
electric. car.
DarksteelPenguin
Building electric cars requires expensive minerals that cannot be found there. And those require oil for extraction and transport.
shitheadtookmyname
I didn't understand what you think EVs are a solution to here. Can your EV run houses?
lightfoot2
Yes
Phosphatidylethanolamine
I thought France was like, 70% nuclear power?
IIikethecutofyourjib
As someone from Georgia, USA, I AM SO FUCKING SORRY. Anyone with ANY fascist leadership should be apologizing to the rest of the world. I tried. I literally took my disabled husband to vote. I BEGGED anyone I knew to vote. I promise
ALpBeck
I feel the same. Here in nyc they looked at me as if I was Chicken Little. Well, guess what? The sky is now falling.
xFlenserx
As a fellow Georgian... yeah... i didn't vote for him but there are sooooo many pro trump imbeciles here in SWGA... we are a drop of blue in a sea of red but do what you can when you can and hope to see it thru to the other side.... gonna be a wild ride... /sigh
Irbricksceo
Yepp, another Georgian. My county went like 70% for trump. Literally lost friends who said I was being hysterical and that it didn't really matter anyways. We're fucked. I've never despised my country this much before.
Sebastopol140
You're trying, you're doing what's good and that's what matters.
IIikethecutofyourjib
Thank you. I don't want personal credit, I just want people to know there are non-insane peeps on the inside trying. Thank you for your acknowledgement and peace to you my friend 💜
Sebastopol140
Every little thing helps. Peace to you.
Margrave9000
It could result in so many countries withdrawing from fossils though.
Like the 1970s crises were bad but led to efficient engines, smaller cars, started the development of renewables etc.
SnoiD
It would be awesome if Europe became less dependent on middle-eastern oil, it kinda happened with Russian gas, so it could turn out to be a good thing in the long run, indeed
Margrave9000
Imagine the awesome benefits of eg. India pushing towards renewabled within the year.
Sebastopol140
Yeah it led to a complete change in the car industry. Killed the huge american cars, pushed for european and japanese economy cars.
It could help electric cars get a boost... but it will be beneficial if renewables and more nuclear energy is used... not a thing with this US admin.
Margrave9000
So the US will be left behind then. The wider SE Asia region will become the new global hub of innovation, industry and progress.
It was an interesting century of American domination... next!
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HerbPicotte
That's a nice thought coming from a citizenry that is well taken care of by their government, the average citizen of the US has to work two jobs if they want to eat and have a place to live, the government gives us nothing. No free health care, no two or three months a year paid leave. If we stop working even for one week we will starve for the rest of the month. That is how it is here.
Sebastopol140
In France we would already have turned Paris into ashes.
bethcutshair
Are french police armed with tanks? Bc in some places of the US police have tanks... and lots of guns
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Sebastopol140
Building a guillotine is not thaty complicated. (built a fake one for halloween a fes years ago, but solid... (could have been a working one). I think US politicians are having it too easy.
TheMilliner
Well, not really. People dying en mass was more a RESULT of the revolutions than a cause. Famine, social inequality and a national economic crisis were what actually caused the revolutions. Important to note though, all three FAILED and harmed more innocents than they ever did the noble class, and all three ended with France simply reinstating the nobility and royalty, or someone else just taking the title of king for themselves (Napoleon) and his successors BECOMING kings by birthright.
hungoveratworkguy
As a US citizen: you know that scene in The Dark Knight Rises where Bane gives his speech about giving the power back to the people but really he’s just unleashing a violent mob onto Gotham knowing full well he has no intentions of saving the city and just letting it eat itself?
philmoregraves
I hate that its a good viable comparison
Sebastopol140
Heh, yeah.
hungoveratworkguy
Sebastopol140
Can't tell you it's going to be ok... the midterms will be a bloodbath.
CharlesTooke
We can all only hope so.
TheCryptid
Maaaaybe its time to finally let go of our dependency on oil? Just a thought
Turkleturts
Sure, let me just make a phone call and we'll get right on that. While the idea is fine, statements like this are just stupid. It will take generations to move away from fossil fuel dependence, and that's in wealthy countries. Many poor or developing countries (like most of those mentioned above) won't be able to do that.
androidshard
Even the poorest countries can afford some level of renewable energy these days. Solar is unbelievably cheap thanks to China, and wind is also less expensive than gas already.
Tesaphine
Honestly there's a part of me hoping this will be a massive wakeup call to transition away from petroleum fuel and invest in renewable resources. I don't think the world will suddenly and immediately transition overnight, but this is definitely shaking the tree.
CoolFrost
So it been a bit windy the last days here in Denmark so the base electricity price*(the part that oil and gas can effect) has been almost free about 2$cent/kwh. * there are transmission cost and money going to building out the grid so the which add about 5-14cents depeding on the time of day.
super3dcow
Would be well on our way thanks to Obama if dickshit cheeto didnt undo so much
P0werSurg3
We keep talking about how reform isn't enough and systems need to be dismantled before something better can be installed. Seeing these countries bombing each other's oil fields feels like the first step. It's going to suck but I have some hope that this will lead to something better
michiyl
Bro, just one more oil pump will fix it! Bro, come on, gas prices will come down with one more refinery, we can stop anytime we want but just one more decade while it's going so well! /s
wheredoisign
Yes, there is free energy literally falling from the sky every day...
rgraz65
And the likelihood of us getting to where a group of billionaires start some Simpson's "Mr. Burns" shit of blocking the sun to make people pay for it really is no longer as unbelievable as it was 10, 20 or 30 years ago.
Hrafna55
Therein lies the silver lining. Another kick up the backside to move faster towards renewables.
TheDreadPirateMontoya
Watching the news in Australia, I was hoping there would at least be some mention of a push towards electric vehicles. More the fool am I.
detectivepopcornmmmmm
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ODYwN2R0aG51dDNsZGJyMjlqcGppdHh3aGR0d2E3Z3dzeXEycHJleSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/dtGIRL0FDp6nnOPGb5/200w.webp
doctorId
Right and switch to another source of power that's also controlled by the 1%. Great solution.
Corrodias
How about one that you can own, sitting in your own yard (setting aside renters; landlords can buy this stuff too), that runs without their involvement?
ElbowDeepInYou
What the fuck are you going to replace 100 million barrels per day with? Fairy farts?
Renewables are great, but thinking you can let go of that dependency is so uninformed I can't even think of where to begin about it.
Type17
The best time to *start* quitting oil was , but the second-best time is now.
shalafi71
The ignorance in some of these comments astounds me. Seems like most don't see "oil consumption" as anything beyond their personal fuel tank. This planet runs on oil, in 1,000 ways outside of burning it in ICE engines. Oil for the custom lamps I make and sell? UP. Fertilizer for my garden and food. UP. And that's only 2 non-critical examples from 1 household, never mind industry and government.
4etherling
Society can exist without oil dependency. It would be a very hard transition, but one that is possible.
shalafi71
And you have just told us all that you don't grok what all oil is used for. Sure, we might get loose in the next 100-200 years, we can get away from (most) private and public transportation costs (not planes!), but oil is used is SO many applications and again, I don't think you're thinking beyond your personal tank of gas.
GangOfNahr19
NUCLEAR IS THE ANSWER
zombiejedediah
Like Musk promoting an unscalable "hyperloop" to avoid people switching to trains, fossil fuel money has convinced a lot of people that solar and wind is the way to go.
Corrodias
It's an answer, although I was more keen on it 10 years ago. The way reactors take decades to build, with massive over-runs on budget, has cooled my enthusiasm. I think solar and wind have overtaken it in cost-effectiveness by this point, and if not, they certainly will by the time we can build any meaningful capacity. Fusion might have potential, though, I don't know.
Corrodias
We _should_ have been using more nuclear to replace fossil fuel systems, but since we haven't, by this point I'm not sure they're the better investment. Just be smart with the money -- which means fossil fuels are disqualified for sure -- and invest in whichever delivers more efficacy and reliability for the cost, or in both if it's a toss-up.
zombiejedediah
The very few reactor builds that go over time & budget are covered disproportionately by the media.
Corrodias
Oh, that's good to hear.
BlootLoper
Well yes, but that's not an overnight thing right? You can't just snap your fingers and make every car electric, power generation green, houses not require gas or oil for heating. It takes time, and while this might incentivize some people, it'll hit the poorest hardest.
Corrodias
No, it's not an overnight thing. We've had decades to do it. Now let's think about which political factions have wanted us to keep our entire energy and transportation infrastructure dependent upon this stuff. We'll have decades more to do it... but it requires making the right voting choices.
mafiacarstarter
Almost as if the system is intentionally designed that way.
lightfoot2
It has been 50 years since the 1973 embargos. What have we don?
newsguycraigevans
The best time to start was 50 years ago. The next best time is today.
CommentProvider
We’re going about it the same way Leto II did with spice
TheCryptid
Ah yep that wont be overnight
100zombies
Ive heard experts say 10 years to just get the infostructure up to get the power from where its produced (windy and sunny areas in country) to where its needed (where people live). This is the getting the easements or buying the land, the forestry for the lines, and then running the lines. This doesn't include the making the actually electrical lines.
NPR's On Point podcast had a really good series about the different materials needed for this whole thing.
BlootLoper
I'm the Netherlands we are at the point where new buildings are struggling get connected to the power grid due to lack of capacity. The other year they actually started charging some people to feed their excess solar into the system as they had more power than they could handle... Getting it sorted is going to take time sadly.
Where my mother lives in the UK there is no gas supply, for years their only heat source was either an oil-fired furnace or the fire, and they aren't unusual in that.
100zombies
heres the link to the series
https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/03/07/elements-of-energy-mining-for-a-green-future
lightfoot2
Trump may wind up being the most environmentally friendly President of all time. (/sigh)
LicensedAdHominem
A small scale nuclear war could even halt the climate crisis.
jasondeslin
I've always believed that the main reason things keep getting worse is decent people doing everything they can to protect the world from the consequences of evil sociopaths trying to destroy everything.
That means the overwhelming majority don't notice or care. Until this shit affects them, things won't get better, because the majority are self-centered, ignorant, and lacking in empathy.
I just wish the closure was hitting us here in the US as hard as it is everywhere else.
Chodaboy50
........ yeah. No.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/03/trumps-latest-anti-wind-effort-pay-companies-to-abandon-offshore-leases/
Tesaphine
When you're so wrong you do a complete 180 and end up doing something right
TheCryptid
haha can you imagine
AlmightyElephant
I mean probably in a Ghengis Khan type way. Probably takes the top spot for "Humans directly responsible for most land repaired"
Turns out when you kill every human being within 100s of square kilometers, and then kill anyone who tries to get near the deadlands, you've made a solid place for nature to take root again.
Similar principle.
lightfoot2
I swear to fucking God in 100 years they will have a statue of him with a child on his lap and hand outstretched to a clear blue sky. Fuck me.......
TheCryptid
I wouldnt even be surprised if they do that in a year after he ate his last burger
UmmonPrime
earth cooled last time he was president too, but that was covid. Just a coincidence on that one.
Kehy
You know, all those meteors/comets we've been having lately, after the plague didn't work do seem a bit... divine message-y
ionicseraph
If the space rocks were from God, He'd have had the mercy to hit a homer by now. I doubt the almighty would strike out that much
lightfoot2
Good point.
Heisanevilgenius
I'm waiting for him to take credit for saving the world from climate change after denying it for a decade
Appollon
What if the world in fact uses this as an opportunity to put in use better energy sources, all due to the orange shitstain.... We live in some sort of unbelievable universe....
ionicseraph
We know he enjoys shiny gifts like a toddler. Why not just bribe his ass to fuck off by giving him some fake but necessarily bombastic award about climate change. Give him a legacy, albeit a fake one, that he can cling to and finally fucking die.