Gets worse, they are still not acting on the things in those files. Which shows really how little they care about women and children. That even with the paper trail and victims and witnesses testifying, it's still not enough.
IDR exactly where I heard it from, but I was recently introduced to the concept of rape culture. These fuckers don't just defend the rapists, they want to be the rapists. That's why they don't care to take the women seriously. That's why they support the billionaires, too, because they want to rape labor, rape communities, rape entire countries, all so they can have more than someone else, and it never occurs to 99.9999% of these losers they're the ones supporting their own rapists.
This is not just the US, this filth is in the UK too but I don't see anyone really 'doing anything about it'. In fact the 'lord' that gave govenment files to Epstein is till a fucking lord! Although I'd like to think that Charles would strip him of that if we asked.
You called everyone who said this shit a conspiracy theorist...maybe start listening and researching if you didn't know this shit existed 20+ years ago
I dont remember calling anyone a conspiracy theorist about this shit, and frankly if you're angry about it...taking it out on random people seems like the least productive way to deal with it.
There’s what you know, and what you can prove in court. Mere allegations- even credible ones- need support. In most jurisdictions, you can’t convict someone of a crime based on the testimony of a proven co-conspirator.
SO, I believe the women: the incidence of false accusations of sexual assault of ANY kind is about 10%. But the law won’t convict on mere accusations. Real LEGAL consequences require further evidence.
And the Epstein files look like real support for those allegations.
I know misogyny is a real issue, but I'm not convinced this is a case of it. Trusting people because there are a lot of them is a potential ad populum fallacy. Files can be manipulated, but they're still *generally* more reliable.
Similarly, 1000 1-star reviews is pretty convincing evidence. However, actually watching the Melania movie would still be better proof that it's a bad movie.
There are probably that many in the files but most are not willing to come forward anymore after being threatened or hearing how someone else they knew it happened to was murdered or died suspiciously. These are powerful people who have definitely silenced others so I don’t blame these victims. Even looking at society now, it’s clear nobody who makes change cares about them or the truth
To be fair, a lot of these cultists still don’t believe it. And they never will even if their kids are being raped by that orange tub of lard right in front of them.
I'll play devil's advocate here: Objective evidence and records like emails, pictures, and videos will always hold more weight than any witness regardless of their gender.
It's not about who or what to believe, it's about what you can prove.
They believe already believe. That’s why they want to see the files, to know who is in them. If they didn’t believe Epstein was a pedo then who cares about his emails? I mean, he died in jail.
I still have Americans tell me as a Vietnamese guy that I should feel lucky coming to the US. They are definitely not ready because it will always be "Ho Chi Minh was an evil guy".
I am impressed this is getting upvotes. I ve been saying this since I started using social media. USA people are so indoctrinated that they think they are the good guys, that their country fights for liberty, love and everything is nice in the world. Reality is that there has not been more imperialistic nation in history, and the atrocities they commited around the world disguissed (and manipulated) as fighting the evil, are beyond justification.
If I had the ability to jump ahead in time, I wish I could read the history books once America is dead. Not the public school books, but the real ones.
This Chris Hedges clip is helpful on this. Referencing Aimé Césaire’s concept of the imperial boomerang effect. A flailing empire’s violence, which was largely used on the edges of the empire, circles back to be used on its own citizens.
Actually a lot of former soldiers have criticized ICE because the level of restraint they were expected to use in an actual war zone with actual armed militias was much stricter than what ICE is expected to use when dealing with US citizens. Like a soldier witnessing a soldier doing some of the shit ICE agents have done and not reporting it would get court-martialed, let alone actually doing it themselves.
What? lol. The restraint showed by soldiers in Afghanistan when they raped and killed a 12 years old girl? Don't come with that bullshit. People were clutching their pearls when this was exposed and tried to save face condemning those acts, and now that is happening in USA soil, peoole lack morals and braveness to put a stop to it. This crimes done by USA are not new, happen consistenly where USA soldiers are stationed, even in allies countries, like Japan or South Korea.
it still shocks me that people don't realize that the military pays the NFL and other sports leagues to have those "family turns around and sees their husband/father waiting behind them for a teary eyed reunion" and that it's all just propaganda and marketing. I loved that the Army's twitch channel got taken down a few years ago cause they couldn't keep up with people asking about all the war crimes etc the that usa has committed.
I think it’s important to underscore that they were indeed tricked by their government. A lifetime of brainwashing.
I had a friend who was raised very religious and believed in his heart thst the USA was a force for good. Became an ranger, participated in the night raids, totally shattered the illusion for him
Unfortunately he served under Obama and blames him for that. While not entirely wrong he did manage to miss the larger point.
Hey my brother literally sata round doing nothing for years in Iraq and barely saw any civilians, it was only later after becoming Maga that his military stories became captain america solos the Jihad, before that it was "they didnt even trust me to keep the m60 loaded"
Or they attempt to change what's morally right to make child rape "not a big deal". Like those MAGAts and Fox News bitches arguing that it's not even so bad if the child is in her teens as opposed to actual babies.. JFC
He's a Democrat, so obviously anything bad about *him* must be true. (Either that, or they think it's a "gotcha"; failing to grasp that most Dems want *any* rapists/kiddie-fiddlers from the files gelded - even the ones from "their side".)
Yeah, the combination of the US government to not adequately deal with the insurrection, the support for Israel’s genocide, pretending the pandemic was over, and the reelection of the insurrectionist even though he staged a coup, has made me reexamine everything I was taught. I have been radicalized. This country does not deserve to survive as is and I am in favor of building a new one with a new Constitution like so many other failed states. America’s core is too rotten.
As systemically racist as the country has always been, it's always been even more systemically misogynist: the constitution granted colored men the right to vote (15th amendment in 1870) 50 years before women (19th amendment in 1920).
No, it's almost like the "Epstein files" are FBI documents investigating Epstein, including but not limited to his personal files and email. It's almost like this screenshotted Twitter comment is dishonest, manipulative ragebait.
Obviously the FBI and DoJ failed, but this tweet is an absolutely braindead interpretation of events by someone who apparently has no idea what is going on.
Its like.. a country founded on thievery, genocide and slavery is.. some how.. bad? Who would have thought? Also just about every country has a huge population of racists.. its human nature to hate things that are different then you.
And they didn’t stop the behavior after trump had Epstein murdered. Someone took over the pedophilia ring. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was the orange shit stain himself.
Musk doesn’t have the tact or charisma to run something like that - you actually need to be something of a salesperson to get shit like that going (not a real good one mind you cuz these monsters will seek that shit out) cuz you need to be able to sell the lie. That’s why Epstein was successful - he was able to sell the lie that covered that cess pool.
You're not wrong, but Elon does have the capital to find the right guy to really run it. Like his other successful enterprises, it needs other people to be the adults in the room
Ya, but do you think he’s self aware enough to know that? Cuz I don’t. Maybe when he was a bit younger / less “famous” - but now? He’s drank his own kool-aid and believes the hype. He’s Trump w more money.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
The people who are going to believe them already do, the people that don't will never.
Targe0
Gets worse, they are still not acting on the things in those files.
Which shows really how little they care about women and children.
That even with the paper trail and victims and witnesses testifying, it's still not enough.
CPTBRUMBL3Z
IDR exactly where I heard it from, but I was recently introduced to the concept of rape culture. These fuckers don't just defend the rapists, they want to be the rapists. That's why they don't care to take the women seriously. That's why they support the billionaires, too, because they want to rape labor, rape communities, rape entire countries, all so they can have more than someone else, and it never occurs to 99.9999% of these losers they're the ones supporting their own rapists.
Freeasabird2015
This is not just the US, this filth is in the UK too but I don't see anyone really 'doing anything about it'. In fact the 'lord' that gave govenment files to Epstein is till a fucking lord! Although I'd like to think that Charles would strip him of that if we asked.
bigpoopy1212
You called everyone who said this shit a conspiracy theorist...maybe start listening and researching if you didn't know this shit existed 20+ years ago
Subsound
You people or the royal you?
I dont remember calling anyone a conspiracy theorist about this shit, and frankly if you're angry about it...taking it out on random people seems like the least productive way to deal with it.
DownUpUpDown
who's voices they don't...........what
vwzzjxv6f9101
Our cities are built on the graves of millions of black and brown peoples. Our nation is cursed.
Proverbs 3:33 “The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked:
taez555
Everyone talks about the files as if Trump only did it in the past and stopped.
Targe0
Yep, more likely he took him out in his first term, and then took over his network.
Righteousdew
Reality truth?
Dannyalcatraz
There’s what you know, and what you can prove in court. Mere allegations- even credible ones- need support. In most jurisdictions, you can’t convict someone of a crime based on the testimony of a proven co-conspirator.
SO, I believe the women: the incidence of false accusations of sexual assault of ANY kind is about 10%. But the law won’t convict on mere accusations. Real LEGAL consequences require further evidence.
And the Epstein files look like real support for those allegations.
Fluffy314
I know misogyny is a real issue, but I'm not convinced this is a case of it. Trusting people because there are a lot of them is a potential ad populum fallacy. Files can be manipulated, but they're still *generally* more reliable.
Similarly, 1000 1-star reviews is pretty convincing evidence. However, actually watching the Melania movie would still be better proof that it's a bad movie.
Eddyrock
It’s almost as if the claims about there being a rape culture that everyone was so enraged about was absolutely true.
stoots24
"Sh-sh-sh-shit? You want some shit?"
Corrodias
At least for my part, I did believe them, but I only heard of, like, 13 of them, not a thousand.
wejustdontknow
I think they are talking about all women who've been abused or raped or trafficked and nobody listened to them. That's how I read it
meganical
There are probably that many in the files but most are not willing to come forward anymore after being threatened or hearing how someone else they knew it happened to was murdered or died suspiciously. These are powerful people who have definitely silenced others so I don’t blame these victims. Even looking at society now, it’s clear nobody who makes change cares about them or the truth
TupacAintDead
To be fair, a lot of these cultists still don’t believe it. And they never will even if their kids are being raped by that orange tub of lard right in front of them.
cuttysark
that'll do it
NotWorthMyTimeAnymore
I'll play devil's advocate here: Objective evidence and records like emails, pictures, and videos will always hold more weight than any witness regardless of their gender.
It's not about who or what to believe, it's about what you can prove.
onecowboytoo
They still don't believe them after the files were released.
Roqinn
The picture is from the movie The Menu. I watched it today for the first time. It was.... different.
Apocalymon
apparently the world is run by wealthy satanic baby raping cannibals... enjoy the tax season
mangoinparis
They believe already believe. That’s why they want to see the files, to know who is in them. If they didn’t believe Epstein was a pedo then who cares about his emails? I mean, he died in jail.
flagbasher
anonanonsnake
Not necessarily, although I’m sure the casualties were high there are rules of engagement in the military that Ice doesn’t appear to be following
ChiLLeCheeze
I still have Americans tell me as a Vietnamese guy that I should feel lucky coming to the US. They are definitely not ready because it will always be "Ho Chi Minh was an evil guy".
Altqwenta
I am impressed this is getting upvotes. I ve been saying this since I started using social media. USA people are so indoctrinated that they think they are the good guys, that their country fights for liberty, love and everything is nice in the world. Reality is that there has not been more imperialistic nation in history, and the atrocities they commited around the world disguissed (and manipulated) as fighting the evil, are beyond justification.
TheCrimsonFurry
If I had the ability to jump ahead in time, I wish I could read the history books once America is dead. Not the public school books, but the real ones.
rimoeng
This Chris Hedges clip is helpful on this. Referencing Aimé Césaire’s concept of the imperial boomerang effect. A flailing empire’s violence, which was largely used on the edges of the empire, circles back to be used on its own citizens.
https://youtu.be/s94rNR82aqo?si=9qvEcfbV07tF8H3Z
2074red2074
Actually a lot of former soldiers have criticized ICE because the level of restraint they were expected to use in an actual war zone with actual armed militias was much stricter than what ICE is expected to use when dealing with US citizens. Like a soldier witnessing a soldier doing some of the shit ICE agents have done and not reporting it would get court-martialed, let alone actually doing it themselves.
Altqwenta
What? lol. The restraint showed by soldiers in Afghanistan when they raped and killed a 12 years old girl? Don't come with that bullshit. People were clutching their pearls when this was exposed and tried to save face condemning those acts, and now that is happening in USA soil, peoole lack morals and braveness to put a stop to it. This crimes done by USA are not new, happen consistenly where USA soldiers are stationed, even in allies countries, like Japan or South Korea.
2074red2074
I said the level of restraint they were EXPECTED TO USE was higher.
NaughtButOne
AllMemesMustDie
brb gotta go mao the lawn
TheAdjuster
it still shocks me that people don't realize that the military pays the NFL and other sports leagues to have those "family turns around and sees their husband/father waiting behind them for a teary eyed reunion" and that it's all just propaganda and marketing. I loved that the Army's twitch channel got taken down a few years ago cause they couldn't keep up with people asking about all the war crimes etc the that usa has committed.
yamsonyamsonyams
I think it’s important to underscore that they were indeed tricked by their government. A lifetime of brainwashing.
I had a friend who was raised very religious and believed in his heart thst the USA was a force for good. Became an ranger, participated in the night raids, totally shattered the illusion for him
Unfortunately he served under Obama and blames him for that. While not entirely wrong he did manage to miss the larger point.
Vempire
I am too fucking high for this shit goddamn :D
override367
Hey my brother literally sata round doing nothing for years in Iraq and barely saw any civilians, it was only later after becoming Maga that his military stories became captain america solos the Jihad, before that it was "they didnt even trust me to keep the m60 loaded"
BlindGardener
People aren’t believing the dead man’s files either.
t9dawg
Or they attempt to change what's morally right to make child rape "not a big deal". Like those MAGAts and Fox News bitches arguing that it's not even so bad if the child is in her teens as opposed to actual babies.. JFC
meganical
A minute group apparently. Still, it’s nice that some more MAGAs have finally found their line in the sand that they refuse to let Trump cross
Fluffy314
And most of the people who do believe the dead man's files also believed the women.
OperatorWay
Except the Clinton parts, apparently.
UsernamesAreStupidAnyways
He's a Democrat, so obviously anything bad about *him* must be true. (Either that, or they think it's a "gotcha"; failing to grasp that most Dems want *any* rapists/kiddie-fiddlers from the files gelded - even the ones from "their side".)
Targe0
A lot of people in the running for gold in mental gymnastics this year.
Nottii
It's almost like there something seriously wrong at the root of this country. Rotten and festering arms of racism amd misogyny.
SavageDrums
This is clearly a global problem. The wealthy are evil.
CaldariBob
Surprise!
killergrooves85
Yeah, the combination of the US government to not adequately deal with the insurrection, the support for Israel’s genocide, pretending the pandemic was over, and the reelection of the insurrectionist even though he staged a coup, has made me reexamine everything I was taught. I have been radicalized. This country does not deserve to survive as is and I am in favor of building a new one with a new Constitution like so many other failed states. America’s core is too rotten.
OperatorWay
As systemically racist as the country has always been, it's always been even more systemically misogynist: the constitution granted colored men the right to vote (15th amendment in 1870) 50 years before women (19th amendment in 1920).
StellarJay77
As someone who has read many non white-washed history books about the founding of the USA and of Canada... https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YzQxbmFtenA3ZnczbzM2MGxyb3c2M29tY3EycmkxcHRtd2o0M2F4aiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/AaQYP9zh24UFi/200w.webp
mdevil
Almost like it's identity was somehow founded on exactly those principles, what an interesting coincidence.
savagesong
It’s the religious death cults.
GroverKerr
No, it's almost like the "Epstein files" are FBI documents investigating Epstein, including but not limited to his personal files and email. It's almost like this screenshotted Twitter comment is dishonest, manipulative ragebait.
Obviously the FBI and DoJ failed, but this tweet is an absolutely braindead interpretation of events by someone who apparently has no idea what is going on.
ItsACrazyWorld
Its like.. a country founded on thievery, genocide and slavery is.. some how.. bad? Who would have thought? Also just about every country has a huge population of racists.. its human nature to hate things that are different then you.
StellarJay77
Not quite, it's human nature to distrust or be leery of others different than you... it is human nurture that breeds the hatred and malice.
andwings2go
And they didn’t stop the behavior after trump had Epstein murdered. Someone took over the pedophilia ring. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was the orange shit stain himself.
FortifiedWhine
Mossad had Epstein killed.
Gestalt7
Everything he touches turns to literal shit and the man has zero discretion so he'd be bragging about it full throat. Now Elon, on the other hand...
req4adream99
Musk doesn’t have the tact or charisma to run something like that - you actually need to be something of a salesperson to get shit like that going (not a real good one mind you cuz these monsters will seek that shit out) cuz you need to be able to sell the lie. That’s why Epstein was successful - he was able to sell the lie that covered that cess pool.
Gestalt7
You're not wrong, but Elon does have the capital to find the right guy to really run it. Like his other successful enterprises, it needs other people to be the adults in the room
req4adream99
Ya, but do you think he’s self aware enough to know that? Cuz I don’t. Maybe when he was a bit younger / less “famous” - but now? He’s drank his own kool-aid and believes the hype. He’s Trump w more money.