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Geeknip
This really made me laugh.
Maultasche
lowerider777
Eru: "Remember what I did to your brother Melkor? Don't go getting any ideas."
rabbitron
gonna need @ngugi to weigh in on this one
Ngugi
It is valid ^^ /gallery/iqyBbBu
Holeterce
This brought a genuine smile to my face, thank you.
Bob128
This made me burst out laughing in the Law Library. +1
qtRaven
Soyjohn
The child like reading of Melkor is interesting, I also think there is in him a side of Eru that is the amorality of creation.
He cannot distinguish between creation and destruction because its all the same song, it doesnt matter if the created things are vile because they are still creation. Morality doesnt matter.
Its a god complex, he doesnt understand that abstract concepts like Morality are a part of creation as well, he only cares about the physical part of creation.
Soyjohn
He was the greatest Valar because he represents the initial impulse of creation, the "Let just make things" just for the sake of it, which can also lead to "lets destroy things now". It has a child like quality but that is the one that makes us able to make art.
VibratingNipples
I bet Dwarves hatches out of rocks
jj999124
They hatch out of ROCK AND STONE thank you very much
thegreatninjaman
did i hear a rock and stone??
Warmandcozy
My favorite part is that they're pretty much like "Fine, you can keep them, but you have to put them into hibernation until my creations wake up, because mine are supposed to be first!"
Frederf
Mogoth did nothing wrong!
lpooptoomuch
also you can only keep the rough draft
3Davideo
I actually played a "World Creation as Table-Top Role Playing Game" game once and that sort of interaction would have totally worked there.
Stoneagedudeman
It was such a cute reason, too! Aulë just wanted to be a good daddy and show that he loved his creations. Truly the dwarves are blessed
wizard07ksu9000
Technically speaking ...
Much like Crbermen, Melkor was the greatest creator of them all in exactly one respect: he created more death and destruction and despair than anyone else in middle earth.
mercyPandaRunner
I like how Aule is a little bit of a "See Melkor? See how it can work out if you're not acting like a little bitch all the time?" story.
Both Aule and Melkor wanted to create things themselves.
Melkor tried, got caught, got angry at Eru and Eru told him he'd only ever realize a part of Erus greater creation, but never something fully independent. Melkor threw a hissy fit ever after.
Aule tried, got caught, stood by his mistake and Eru said, "You know what? I think that was a really nice >
Carl99
Whilst i don't think it was meant as an allegory of the concept at all. It's got a lot in common with attitudes around having children. Aule created the dwarves more or less by accident whilst messing around, (damm near every teenage pregnancy story ever), but once he'd don it he took responsibility for what he'd created.
Melkor wanted to basically go around and knock some girl up, but he wasn't remotely interested in taking responsibility for the results, he just wanted to have fun.
mercyPandaRunner
attempt. Maybe we can keep the cute guys around. I think they'll make a beautiful little addition to our world, don't you think, my son?"
To me, with Aules creation of the dwarves, Tolkien maybe wanted to illustrate the soft and forgiving side if Eru that Melkor or Sauron couldn't understand. That even Melkor had several chances to come back and get a hug, if he didn't keep acting like a little spiteful bitch.
Sonicschilidogs
Valar: Should we let Melkor out of time out, he's good now right? Melkor: Yeah I'm good guys Valar: Alright out us go Morgoth: So about that...... *Stabs someone*
wizard07ksu9000
Melkor got put in timeout twice before the war of wrath led to him being thrown outside the environment where there's naught but 20k tons of crude oil and the front of the ship. It literally took Melkor wrecking the entirety of middle earth and a half elf to show how the Valar were being racist towards mortals and putting unrrasonable expectations on the elves before they moved their content "not my circus" asses to go arrest Melkor for the 3rd time.
lowerider777
Melkor: sneaks a primordial spider demon of darkness into Valinor, letting her drink the sap of life from the trees and destroy them, plunging the world into darkness.
Also Melkor: How come my family doesn't like me and dad won't let me create things!?
mercyPandaRunner
Yup.
That's what i find fascinating about the cosmology. Melkor, the most powerful and oldest Valar, has an incredibly childlike attitude and motivation. He's rampaging through Arda with the abandon and casual cruelty of a toddler. Oddly fitting for such a primordial being. And that modus operandi is exactly why he's sabotaging himself.
Actually, i think that's where Ungoliant comes from. Melkors contribution to the song of the Ainur that shaped the world will have invested parts of his >
mercyPandaRunner
being/character into the fabric of the world. Ungoliant, which was apparently just there, seems like an echo of Melkors attitude in the worlds song. It hates light like nothing else, but so craves it, is endlessly hungry for it. And every ray of light it catches, it devours and weaves into a thread of darkness to get away from the light, only worsening the hunger for what it hates. It really is a spitting image of Melkors relationship with the "secret fire". And to make that image perfect, >
wizard07ksu9000
You forgot the part where while Ungoliant was drinking the trees Melkor was stealing the silmirils which incited Feanor to the first kin slaying and ultimately led to the war of wrath. Much like in WH40k ... Its all Magnus' I mean Melkor's fault.
Also Melkor was plum terrified of Ungoliant, who Tolkein described as hunger incarnated from outside time and space. You wanna joke about Eru not knowing where the dwarves cane from? Ungoliant is literally not native to Arda.
Sonicschilidogs
That's kind of the way Tolkien wrote, but there's pretty much 2 places Ungoliant could have come from, either Melkor's original dissonance in the song that made Arda, or the antithesis to Eru/the secret fire, which perhaps existed with Eru before everything else (like embodiments of Darkness and Light), which then made it's way to Middle Earth to hide from the lights of creation, like the stars, living in the deep and dark places of the world.