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ShamanSam
BA in Psychology, but I work tech support for a software company.
st9man
It shows you set a goal and accomplished it. I had to write a lot of papers in college and it's definitely helped me in the corporate world
EngineeringComedy
I got my B.S. in Mechanical Engineering and now I'm a Mechanical PE. Sometimes we stay on track.
HardyandRamanujan
My son has a degree in physics. Finance companies look for it. Not cuz he'll be doing physics. Just bc it means he is able to do tough math
SadMadDolphin
School shouldn't be demonized it should be demonetized
amiurume
It shows that you have the ability to achieve your goals even if it takes a long time and requires a lot of work.
Neurisko
The requirement existed long before the crippling loans.
ConradPerson
University is not vocational training. It is meant to teach you how to continue the process of lifelong education.
4Endymion
Plot twist: A degree gives cover to the person doing the hiring.....How could I know she was an idiot, she has an MBA. Not my fault!
XXXSpork
No degree, but landed a six figure job from experience / certification.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
Neat, an outlier
rift555
I got hired due to my extensive experience and some of my new co-workers asked why they hired someone so old.
alexburgers
"I know more than you, go away."
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
Dicks.
Gameskyjumper
it's always the side thing you picked up along the way. ability to organize, memorizing, studying, critical solving. not the subject
ItWasntSupposedToBeThisWay
Motorola had a degree requirement. They bought a company with an amazing product and struggled to get SVP approval to bring on some of the/1
ItWasntSupposedToBeThisWay
2/ engineers that made it. It's very stupid, and likely from a bunch of business majors with actual worthless degrees.
TheMeatWhisperer
I am one of the very fortunate. I was a high school dropout. Got an IT certification and entry level job on a help desk. The company 1/3
TheMeatWhisperer
that hired me paid 100% for my BS degree. 22 years later I am an engineer at one of the top scientific research facilities in the world. 2/3
TheMeatWhisperer
If companies only realized that supporting their employees benefits everyone involved, this country wouldn't be such a shit show.
LerryV2
Have you ever worked in a union? Do you have qualifications for the job? Doesn't matter, someone else has worked there longer than you.
beez428
Then ya got my sorry ass who has a degree (though it is admittedly in a useless major) & limited experience and nobody wants to touch me.
sjbrooksy7447
Paging HR.
beez428
They won't touch me either. It's always "you need a degree related to the HR field" and "PLEASE put your clothes back on".
saxon2060
On the other hand, my company hired someone with loads of experience but not degree to do my job. They were incapable. Part of my job is >
saxon2060
inspecting drug factories and labs. A bachelor's degree in a science (bio/chem related) is generally required. My boss waived that >
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requirement and this new hire was almost permanently confused and struggling because he didn't have basic science knowledge.
jacquesmehoff
School is meant to teach you how to learn, since your field is constantly changing. They train you to think in a certain way for that job.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
Unfortunately “meant to” doesn’t mean it’s happening. Schools are constantly being pressured to ignore critical thinking skills
PirateRubberDuck
Universities are not schools. I know they can't literally get away with murder any more, but they still hold a fair bit of power.
HaloArchitect
Universities used to be meant for that, but they're increasingly pivoting to teaching very focused problem solving in particular domains. >>
HaloArchitect
<< Elementary and high schools have traditionally been focused on teaching students how to work at a job, and that hasn't changed much.
tinyfootprints
1/ After I showed the interviewer that I knew everything I needed (and more) to do the job properly, he was downright eager to get me on >
tinyfootprints
2/ board with his team. I totally displayed the imagination, ingenuity, and competence he was looking for. Then he got hung up on a minor >
tinyfootprints
3/ detail: I hadn't entered a date for when I got my Bachelor's degree. When I told him it would be a future date, he got seriously angry >
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4/ and threw me out of his office for wasting his whole damn day by interviewing when I should have known I wasn't qualified even though I >
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5/ was. (Except for the sheepskin).
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
This is such bullshit, I’m sorry you were treated that way
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
It's more about endurance and less about Motivation: You managed to get through a 3 year training for a job, so you won't quit at random. +
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Speaking for Germany, but we have propper labor protection laws. Not so sure about the US or other places.
mikenco
It's not all cynical. It also demonstrates commitment and that you'll see something through to the end.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
Pretty sure there’s a lot of other ways to demonstrate that which don’t require tens of thousands of dollars.
PooPculture
I've been working since I was 14 and have never been fired but I dropped out of college. Guess I'm unreliable and flaky.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
This. This this this this THIS.
FuckingTurtleBear
Double business major. Became a truck driver ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GrandPubabofMoldistan
MD, MPH, worked for the evil empire for a bit before stumbling into data analysis for opioid od in NYS.
VegetableRule
Truck driving major. Became double businesses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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FuckingTurtleBear
Double shrug major, *becomes less trucker*
Quarantane
Well that's just good business right there.
TheBlueMuppet
*drives two trucks at once*
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
Well, you're participating in a business, so......
VodkaReindeer
Maybe you would have bought your own truck if you weren't educated.
iamthemanwithnoname
Experience in a field doesn't inherently make you better. I know tons people with 20+ years experience who are absolutely useless.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
I never said overall competency wasn’t a factor.
Merdock
This is why I'm ok with being given some meaningless assignment to demonstrate competency during interviews. Something that doesn't make 1/
Merdock
Them money, but shows that I know what I'm doing. 2/2
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
Meritocracy is where it’s at. This is how it should be!
PooPculture
Yeah a lot of people are idiots. Do you really think if they had a degree they'd suddenly become useful? I know plenty of BA morons.
iamthemanwithnoname
I think the ratio of idiots is lower for people with a degree than without. But I agree, just like experience, it is far from a guarantee.
Imalwaysready
Definitely. People *just* good enough to do the job & replacing them would be timely and costly, so they just float along being...adequate.
BendOverAndIllShowYa
This hatred for learning is awful. I get college is too expensive but there is value in getting an education beyond juts getting a job.
crateo
*college in usa is too expensive *. There, I fixed it.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
There’s no hatred; i went to uni. I just think that there are other equally valid ways to show all of the attributes you just listed
BendOverAndIllShowYa
Fair points for sure. I guess in general I see a lot of skepticism and downplaying the value of education to enrich our lives.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
Nowhere does it say that CE isn’t important or enriching. It says a college degree isn’t the end all be all of competency, work ethic, etm
BendOverAndIllShowYa
Gotcha. Good points. Well said.
DarthDrizzt42
I mean sure this is great, except for like, every STEM/med field where "trust me bro I know what I'm doing" isn't the same as accreditation
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
So like…the situations where your degree DOES directly correlate to your job? Which is clearly excluded in this post?
Nobody7713
At a certain point you do need something that proves you know what you say you know before people can rely on you for it.
resolved
I had a recruiter tell me they req a BA. I said 20years of exp isn't enough! We probably won't get along thx for interest
ZeroLogain
I've used experience instead of degree because they feel they can pay less for it - then leverage into a new job with new experience.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
I’m sorry you had to deal with that. It’s a bullshit system for sure
doubleplanet
It’s just an HR screening tool, so they don’t have to go thru hundreds of applications; nothing to do w’work dep’t. Begun during recession
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
I guess I've been lucky - most places requiring a degree have been open to "similar experience level" as a substitute.
Miller16of16
More and more common these days.
Merdock
I hope so. My wife has been working in the same field for 10 years, and now people want a degree for it. Makes her feel stuck
StevelKneevel
I'm a programmer. This is much more common in IT I think. All the experience since is 10x more valuable than what I learned in 1997
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Me too, being a programmer that is.
resolved
That's the funny thing i'm a SR DevOps Eng but IF they want a degree they are probably useless, i never put any weight on degrees
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Often when they want a degree, it's because the recruitment ad is written by people who don't know what they need.
FormerlySable
Oh, it’s absolutely more common in IT. Hubby has no degree but is a programmer in a somewhat niche language. I’m an adult ed instructor (1/2
FormerlySable
2/2) and in my field, it’s nearly impossible to work full time without a master’s degree.
resolved
in some cases, yes like algrothym folks, or data scientest, ML & nuero progmrs yea degree means more but i'm just a run of the mill genius
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
That is lucky- I’ve very rarely seen that
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Never seen it either - I had to talk to them to find out.
PoliticalWanderer
"Now dance, fucker, dance, man he never had a chance..."
AxeDiesel
Or: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCs9OxIXGf4
SmokyDoggg
The Offspring will always be legendary
Geracht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1__CAdTJ5JU and when you're done, i'll make you do it all again.
GhoopiWoldberg
"With a thousand lies and a good disguise hit em right between the eyes" makes me want to play and win the capitalism game purely for spite
IrateMeatAndMeatAccessories
Do it. Spite is as powerful a motivator as compassion/love.
DanTheReactionMan
I just discovered this song (and the band) a few days ago, what’s it about really? The video was uh, confusing lol
AawesomeAardvaark
I think it's about how the rich/powerful control the masses so you have to "do the dance" to get anywhere, but if you get too far they'll
AawesomeAardvaark
still crush you. In this context, bosses require college cuz it shows your willingness to conform to requirements and stay in line.
Bioman998
In a similar vein: Dance Monkey by Tones and I
kiwimPandaWatcher
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Animorphs
The kids aren't alright :'(
neospor1n
Why don’t you get a job?
Animorphs
Why don’t you come out and play?
neospor1n
Because She’s got issues
Animorphs
Sounds like an original prankster.
LoligoTX
What in the world happened to you?
icyanddicey
My eyes hurt from staring at the sun.
AnomalousViews
I am in this situation. My ability to study and finish tasks helps me in my current job...but definitely not my actual major.
IconicM
Right, a college education is much more than just yoir major. Experience should count too though...
rx78nt1
I can relate…I have a degree in Japanese language yet I am a hardware reliability engineer lol
MadamPuddifoot
I wish my degree would get me a job in an unrelated field... I would have A LOT more negotiating power.
tyler384
Shows commitment. Going to college for 4 years knowing it doesn't guarantee a high paying or satisfying job. Yep that's commitment.
damogen
Education improves how good you are at doing a bunch of stuff. Most of it you propably don't even realize you got better at.
Flustercuck
A lot of classes are also on ethics and non-major related subjects. Statistically, I would guess people who have passed ethics classes 1/2
Flustercuck
Would have better ethics than a group that hasn't. The degree doesn't cost the employer anything so why not require it if you're getting ppl
DonutTramp
Yes all the risk capitalists with their morals and ethics...
Flustercuck
Yeah, I'm not saying all of them. Just that on average I think you would see at least a few % increase after taking a class vs before.
chewybacon
Proves you can show up every morning and get something done for years at a time. ?
yoyo42
That appears to be the case at everywhere I've worked that insists on degrees. There are good workers without, but lots more slackers too
AwesomeName
I never understood that either. College should be for teaching how to do scientific work, not for training employees.
StubbornViking
Teaching how to do scientific work IS training employees, in scientific work lmao
SergeiBoobtitsky
I think it's both, though. I never had group projects until college and that's something that needs to be taught by a trial by fire.
Mzmag00
But they need to be more realistic than "everyone do this presentation good luck!"
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
Consider evaluating the system these schools exist within and the way they operate makes perfect sense: capitalism needs employees, science
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
is only useful in the context of the the system when it can generate profits. People in debt, even scientists, but everyone really, have to
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
do what they're told in order to pay that debt. So schools within a capitalist system serve that system, and they do it cause it makes money
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
but it also serves the other rich wealthy people who then get educated people who are forced to work for them.
Kehy
Public grade schools and colleges aren't just about the lesson education. The social and mental skills that develop there are important
porcubot
Literally the entire American education system exists to produce middle managers.
blonderengel
A liberal arts degree, esp Trivium-centered, sought to liberate the mind and teach how to think, not what (which we do in high school).
HavetsHerren
I studied in France where there's an elitist hack that I followed: study Pol-Sci and you can work anything. Just shows you're not too dumb..
HavetsHerren
to learn on the job. That's the exception in a country obsessed with what school you studied at...
ninjarabbit
Critical thinking and problem solving skills
raphaelambrosiuscosteau
It’s also about the depth of work and thought involved in producing a dissertation or similar thesis length work
ThatsProbablyInMyBag
That should be elementary through highschool
ninjarabbit
It should but it isn’t…and it shouldn’t stop there either
potatokeyboard
Yeah not really challenged to the same degree then as it is in university
LeroyShabazAli
I think only a small percentage of college students are there doing scientific work. The Arts, language, history, business ain't science
AwesomeName
StubbornViking
DISCLAIMER: DO NOT LET A MATHEMETICIAN DO ANY LIFE SCIENCES. Social sciences, likewise are generally far beyond their comprehension.
PeteThePerv
engineering too
VolcanoHerder
Where do us geologists fall on this? We do the full run of physics, calculus, & chemistry (& sometimes bio) courses plus all our rock stuff.
AwesomeName
Hard to say, do you even get to publish anything when you're boning each other all the time?
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
You guys rock
Mzmag00
Left of sociology - because we all know people can be dumb as rocks but rocks aren't as complex as people. (/s)
maximilianfragglebottom
the piece of paper also shows that you're good at following arbitrary instructions without too much resistance
pawdraig
Except you usually have to do some form of research paper which teaches you how to actually "do your own research" and get proper sources.
revoltanator666
Shephard here...have you seen my sheep?
RtsWillH1Mself
So does a high school diploma
CarrieAnneCoder
But in high school you're under constant supervision. A degree proves you can be an *autonomous* drone.
sjbrooksy7447
That wasn't my experience with college.
WooNeat
Yeah I treat someone with a master's degree like a personality trait: diligence to see something hard through the end... No degrees bunch 1/
WooNeat
Of experience with long intervals at same places is similar ... Going it alone freelance also good just different personalities /2
Utecr
Bachelor degrees prove you can jump through hoops. Just having experience doesn’t mean you’ll be obedient.
Frederf
A degree proves you can wrest a degree out of a bureaucracy that would much rather not.
jsims281
It shows you know how to learn as well. I've definitely noticed a trend with grads Vs non grads at work (exceptions apply ofc)
Utecr
True
iamthemanwithnoname
I assume you didn't go to uni? Most degrees are independent learning led and most protests are student led.
PooPculture
If it's "Independent" learning then why go to university? "Most" protests are by no means student lead. You're making huge assumptions.
maximilianfragglebottom
I have a masters degree in education. The education system has very little to do with learning.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
I went to Uni. No, my classes were never “student lead” & i had to take several bs classes that had NOTHING to do with my major. Arbitrary.
iamthemanwithnoname
You had to take bs classes nothing to do with your major? Where did you go to uni? I did my major and 2 minors of my choice in 1st year.
iamthemanwithnoname
And my entire 3rd years was independent research work on my dissertation. My friends doing BScs did independent lab work.
Margleblargle
One of the big problems is the college/university experience is what you make it, I did something similar but I was my 4th year for my BS
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
Indiana University. Riddle me this: if I was an English education major, why did I have to take calculus (which I then had to take TWICE 1/
Merdock
Are you sure someone didn't lie to you. I had that happen to me. Checking the reqs at IU I'm not seeing calc. There are some basic math 1/
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
because I’m not good at math…which is why I wanted to teach literature & language arts…) to get me degree. Again: all this bs is arbitrary
iamthemanwithnoname
Ah, this is an international issue. I am in the UK. Clearly our Universities work very differently. Sounds like yours is worse.
MidnightTacoTruck
Every state has a core curriculum you have to take regardless of your major. You're sounding real dumb right now
iamthemanwithnoname
I am from the UK. We don't have that system. Core curriculum ends at 18 here. I really can't imagine it any other way.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
That’s….that’s literally my point.
teethteethteeth
My degree shows I can research, reason, and understand a field to a competent level. The field isn't the important part it the "soft" skill
lordquas27
This!
HumtyFuckty
But at a certain point the degree looses relevance, especially against years of proven experience and success.
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
If we had cooperative horizontally organized systems people would be able to learn those skills in a more accessible way without debt
LollipopKid
This
madeejit
The company may need to show rhat staff are "competent", i.e. have knowledge, training and experience. Degree is two of those - on paper
madeejit
By way of example, I have demonstrated my own degree of competence by use of the word "rhat"
spacecowboyein
I also imagine most competent businesses will at least consider seriously someone without a degree but actual experience in that field.
ilavalamp
Industry Experience > Degrees > Indirect experience > Nothing
fallingup4321
So true, didn’t realise this until my work started hiring high school grads instead of uni/college. Big difference in problem-solving skills
dwilson0725
There is no amount of experience or education that will convince a guy with a GED and a grinder that me, an engineer, knows a single thing.
Engineerguy99
I just finished a master's degree in engineering and this 100% true, skills in teamwork, communication, researching and problem solving >
Engineerguy99
Are now much better than they were 5 years ago, glad to have a job in my field now as well
otiumCatulli
My degree made me smarter. I thought that was the point.
Orcus424
It also shows you are trainable and a good worker.
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otiumCatulli
I'm a marketer and I didn't do a degree in it
DietCokeIsTheBest
Accounting doesn’t require a degree everywhere. Being chartered is much more important in the UK.
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Gaelwyn
My job is in accounting & I don’t have a degree. Mostly it’s just past work experience and being able to research anything I need to know.
ChoovaMonster
Working in ag I can tell you there is a huge divide in knowledge between college and experience. All the researchers don't even know when to
ChoovaMonster
Plant seed or how to imitate field conditions, but they feel their genetic knowledge makes them better than field workers who actually know
ChoovaMonster
How to grow a plant. It's even worse in public research settings like colleges or USDA.
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
It's like that everywhere. In warehouses, the people weigh hands on experience know the pitfalls of the systems they use, but people with
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
business management or logistics degrees like to come in and start reorganizing shit without ever considering the first hand knowledge of
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
with* hands on experience
teethteethteeth
set is transferable. In the main the field just keeps you interested enough to build soft skills around.
ShadyEsperanto
I know so many people who completely changed in college. Especially people who had limited exposure to other ways of life besides their own.
TheSecondPiewackit
Trouble is now your "Soft skill" is paying for Chegg because Universities failed to adapt.
JimBuckThree
Yep! This needs to be universally discussed a lot more.
shalalalalabambam
Agreed.
Miller16of16
Biggest difference-Someone w/out the degree might have the same skills developed outside university but have no measurable way to prove it.
lordnequam
Also shows you can set a long-term goal for yourself and then achieve it.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
My belt rank in BJJ shows this; NOT my degree. There are many more ways to quantify this idea
goliathonline
Absolutely! That can go on ur résumé. It’s widely understood what a college degree requires, tho, and that helps it work as a benchmark.
goliathonline
Employers get a lot of résumés, so they look for quantifiable ways to sift through them. Not saying it’s fair, but it’s reql
rusrsdude
Did you get your degree in one day? Whatever field you studied, it shows your competence, and perseverance within to endure studying it.
stonedlikeicheckedoutmedusa
If my job doesn’t have anything to do with my degree it’s a moot point
starkeclipse
High belt rankings also take a long time and dedication to the effort.