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MantisTobagganMD
"Breaking news: China does something fucked up. World acts shocked"
Zerberus
Honest question: What do islam-majority countries say to this? I remember when the Mohamed caricature hit literally Riots broke out
Travellightly85
The chinese government needs to be nuked from orbit.
BryanLaserEpee
"Sleep"
Guilermodeltaco
How is this different than the early days of the holocaust?
attofreak
China is a global economic and political power, while Germany was still jerking off in the backyard.
Quipod
I don't understand why they don't just say rape and is using the "sleeping in the same bed" what reason would that have unless you (1)
Quipod
Purposely want people to make assumptions based on vaguely worded sentences? Technically there could only be one bed in the house so its(2)
Quipod
Assumed they sleep in the same bed. For fucks sake, just call it rape if thats what it is.
AllAboutThatD
I'm all aboard on the fuck China bandwagon but take all the news with a grain of salt. Do your research.
soulmercenary
Ok so first they take over Tibet. Then they commit a bizarre genocide with their Muslim minority. Next up Africa and Europe via belt & Road
prodmerc
Surely they would learn from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? Don't stick your dick outside your country and you'll be fine.
DamoTao
China is Asshoe!
somethingawesomeandgreat
lokazaks
At this point I think they are worse than that also fuck the people downvoting that, probably the Chinese government
ChinaIsAssHoe
Recurve254
no gif?
biggeera
CanSwallowsCarryCoconuts
Man fuck China
TresusIbor
China:
DefecatingInMyBarracks
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
SheTurnedMeIntoANewtButIGotBetter
China is asshoe!
wonfungi8206
bcgvv5Animal
Fuck the Chinese Government
Remembertolightamatch
Reminds me of the line from braveheart, " if we can't get them out, we'll breed them out"
FlameInfernoh
China did this before...to their own women. the box women during the war.
AdrianDunne
AlaSnackbar
Are there any moral or ethical people left in china who speak out against suck things?
Zahnradfee
Probably. But they are maybe too powerless.
CaptAJRimmer
I think by "hard line campaign" they mean genocide.
deathandtaxes1
I like that even when reporting on it they still don’t come out and say STATE SPONSORED RAPE, wouldn’t want to upset China with the truth.
JadedDoorman
Business insider is owned by russians, youll never hear that.
ArdentSlacker
Weird, because the other tankie in this thread is sure it's US-owned.
WraithTDK
I don't think they're avoiding that for fear of upsetting China. If that was a concern they wouldn't be running the article at all.
vegeta420gokublazerbieber
Maybe all they can say at this point is that they are forcing them to share sleeping quarters. Anything more is speculation
vegeta420gokublazerbieber
Tbh that woukd be enough. Can't imagine some stranger sleeping in my bed. Then add on the likely rape
Bojovnik84
Yeah because we can't print it or it is slander and then they could sue. We have to have definitive proof before we could. It's BULLSHIT.
LoadedBakedPotatoes
FACT: I don’t believe everything I read on the internet.
prodmerc
"reportedly"
NeedyWizard
China is a full blown Orwellian dystopia. With their citizen loyalty points and high-end surveillance-system... or is it just totalitarian
NeedyWizard
system with some f'd up Orwellian vibes? Still feels bad for the people, who have been brainwashed to die or accept it all.
qwerty0xf
Meanwhile Pakistan: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that.
doitthehemingway
And Saudi Arabia.
attofreak
Pakistan is, um, "in bed" with China, because of its bitch-fight with India.
MureNos
On the lighter side of things, there is no such thing as Han Chinese. They got raped, murdered and bred out of existence centuries ago.
Aerrowflex
Altanese
Besides the fact that that is false, are you saying it's a good thing?
TheWarHymn
That's like saying black Africans got raped, murdered, and bred out by white settlers.
shadowlion27
That's the lighter side?
MureNos
This is the Chinese Communist Party we are talking about, they achieved more death and destruction in the last few decades, than all prior.
IamfunatpartiesIknow
Who is? The Han Chinese who don't exist?
MureNos
Yes, they are using propaganda to foment a form of ultranationalism. They are passing off "evidence" that China's people evolved seperately.
DefecatingInMyBarracks
DefecatingInMyBarracks
SeveralSpeciesOfSmallFurryAnimalsGatheredTogetherInACave
There are 1 billion Muslims in the world. What are you going to do about this?
Ploty
Outrageous! Locking up husbands and kids to brainwash and raping the women for breeding Han-chinese. I'm so mad at this ethnic clensing.
SpeedoBoner
Communism. Not even once.
malarkyirl
China isn't communist though, it's just an authoritarian regime that pretends that the proletariat are somehow in charge.
sergeantapone
CoMmUNisM jUsT HAsnt bEen dOnE rIgHt Yet!!
prodmerc
Every single "communist" country was led by an all powerful party that was supposed to relinquish power to the people. They never did.
SpeedoBoner
The article cited "The Communist party of China"
malarkyirl
Allow me to introduce you to the DEMOCRATIC Peoples Republic of Korea. They may use the word 'democratic' but aint no elections.
SpeedoBoner
Take it up with the journalist who wrote the article.
malarkyirl
Don't reply if you get upset by the answer, the journalist is just calling the government what they name themselves, they havent made any
SomeDetroitGuy
That's pretty much exactly how literally every Communist country has been run.
malarkyirl
From a political theory POV most scholars would not consider those countries communist.
SomeDetroitGuy
Then the word doesn't have any meaning.
malarkyirl
Well it totally does have a meaning, it's just people that want to be in control will lie and use popular movements to take control.
PangolinBan
Utopias don't exist, but I'm sure the word has meaning.
chilllad
Communism requires authoritarianism.
malarkyirl
Surely does, it also needs the workers to own the means of production which is not happening in China. I'm not sticking up for communism
malarkyirl
just pointing out China isn't communist, it's too easy to just go "communism is the problem" rather than pointing out the actual issues.
chilllad
The state owns like half of all the companies. I'm sure china would argue that means the proletariat owns them as well.
malarkyirl
They also own ALL of the land, and I think you're right that they do feel that is "like" the people owning it. But OG communism is about
Zahnradfee
The state formally owning something doesn't mean anything if the workers have no control over it.
t4piwa
Is sleeping in the same bed supposed to be a euphemism for raping these poor women?
Thornaxe
You think a govt that would do this would give a fuck if some of those “monitors” took liberties?
thoushaltnotpass
It's a way for the gov to authorize rape while not giving a firm order. It's definitively happening.
ICantThinkOfAU
It’ll definitely be happening in some cases, but I think they mean it literally. It’s about breaking their culture down and destroying it
celestedrake
I think Muslim culture would probably be against it even if not rape, especially with the whole 'don't show women to other men' part. But (1
celestedrake
that probably happens too. (2)
Althox00
It doesn't have to be rape... You take the husband away and put someone with means in her bed. Eventually you get some crossover.
Althox00
Sneakier, still evil. Gotta be a bi-product of having way more men than women in China.
AntaNce
A form of Stockholm syndrome. At best, it's coercion, but in my book, it's rape. Consent for sex derived by lying is still rape.
EmperorKuzco
I think the implication is that by forcing the muslim women to breed with chinese men, they can systemically remove the muslim culture.
TheSimpleDude
idontknowhowthissiteworks
Google WW2 comfort women. You'll be surprised.
bcgvv5Animal
What's it about ?
b1c3
Girls were used as sex slaves for the Japanese imperial army
bcgvv5Animal
Oh that's sad and crazy.
forte10
I don't wanna.
Justinicus
Unfortunately, not surprised at all.
ZarkFury
It's very normal in china to have multiple people sleep on same long bed. When i went to my aunt's place in rural china, we 8 people
ZarkFury
Sleep on the same bed. My mom was mortified as she is from big city and she fking hate sleep with all the rural people. So they emptied a
ZarkFury
Guest room for us. Anyway it is kind of a cost measure, u just don't have enough room, and also the bed is connected to kitchen, so it heat
ZarkFury
Up in the dinner time and keep the warmth, otherwise u would freeze in northern china like canada without furnance
DefinitelyNotKenM
Not the same as a government mandated stranger sleeping in an unwilling woman’s bed.
ohnoyoudid
I think ppl all around world get the idea of many sharing a bed coz limited space or other reasons, but it's totally different in this.
nowwhowhat
Short answer: yes. Long answer: they probably aren't raping 100% of the women but for all meaningful purposes yes.
Joimak
This
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
I would concur. I am sure that some of these men do not want to be there and have not raped the woman they've been "assigned"...but the rest
CodeA42
Some people are transgender. Some people are born deaf, blind or else. But that's only some of them.
TheDude003
OopsAllEgg
Huh?
2graves
Explain
Hummingbirdbandit
What are you talking about?
RebelSkull
I think they’re saying that “some aren’t raping” is more an outlier/exception, not the statistical trend. In other words, lotsa rape happens
nefleb
holy fuck this is beyond dark
superbest
The Western World: The Handmaid’s Tale is a good show but would never happen in a modern country China:
somethingawesomeandgreat
https://i.imgur.com/7ijVSOh
Foodpornaddict
Modern free country* fixed that for you.
Taxicat
The whole point of the story is that it could happen in a “modern FREE country,” and details HOW that might happen, too.
fortheup
I think the most unbelievable, but truest part of the show is other countries refusing to intervene for fear of pissing off a powerful ally.
weeshful
Has their ever been a "clean" genocide? One that stopped at "just" murder?
ArdentSlacker
It's genocide. It doesn't get much darker.
stinkingyeti
Prima Nocta - sad long history
Apothecarius
Even the Nazi's didn't sleep with other Nazi's wives when Hitler brought it up. Too fucked up for Nazis, way to go china.
ouchmyhair
What about your children. An unknown man coming into your home...and sleeping with you?! Beyond dark is putting it lightly. Wtf china
darthlawsuit
TrUE sOCialISm has nEVer BEen TrieD! my VErsion Of it wilL Work and evERyonE wiLL live tOgETher iN HAppIness aNd HaRmOny.
darthlawsuit
Except those Trump supporters. Send them to the camps they aren't people.
SemperFiZero
When you look back at history, you'll know dark shit like this isn't exclusive to just China. People are fucked up man.
Magjee
We really are the worst. But in this particular case: Fuck China (Government, not the people)
AwesomeTeddybear
Fuck that, I don't believe "man" is evil. Just that some men in power don't get kick in the fucking nuts fast enough these days
DookieHowserMD
You can believe whatever you want. Facts are man has the capacity to be evil and has done so repeatedly throughout history.
vegeta420gokublazerbieber
This is current China though dude
SemperFiZero
People being appalled about this also need to know the history of such acts throughout the world's history. To see that this shit, 1/2
SemperFiZero
no matter how evolved mankind thinks it is, still happens to this day. That was my point. That it's fucking sad. 2/2.
vegeta420gokublazerbieber
We know. What do you want us to do? Declare war on Hitler? Not report on current atrocities because humans have a history of shittiness?
SemperFiZero
See you think Hitler was the last since China for shit like this. You need to know it wasn't.
sneakyTacos
Look closer at the source. RFA is a US funded non profit. This is just propaganda.
justcallmeheyyou
Find the chinese fucker.
nefleb
RFA will be biased,I agree. But it's that or nothing,with the oppression going on right now. Ultimately, biased reports are better than none
sneakyTacos
These organizations are just the US feeding the Americans anti-China propaganda.
ElizabethToy000
Honestly we don't need this article for that, we've got plenty of other atrocities to pick from.
DookieHowserMD
You’re saying the Chinese government does nothing wrong?
Invyggle
Thats a glass half full kind of question, but Chinas actions tend to follow a cold kind of logic.
DookieHowserMD
Or that it’s being sensationalized?
ArdentSlacker
It's an apologist denying any genocide ever happens anywhere.
deathslayer4
"RFA is one of the remaining outlets documenting the Uighur oppression from the region." Seems as legit as we get from the tyrant nation.
sneakyTacos
If by tyrant nation you mean the US..
deathslayer4
Different tyrant. A little less genocide-y these days than mainland China. Please explain the Uighurs' treatment, if not ethnic cleansing.
Thabosian
why is this dark when islam has done the same thing for 1400 years? and still does it to this day, for example in pakistan, on the border
Thabosian
with india
nefleb
I never said it wasn't dark anywhere else. People can think multiple things you know? But for being a little prick I'm gonna say: fuck off.
Thabosian
hurts, doesn't it? to find out you're butt hurt over a group of people that killed more then the nazi's and and stalin combined
nefleb
Stop thinking you're the only smart person in the room. The only idiot who can only think about one group of people here is you, doofus.
Afterlife666
I think you meant somethung else.In Islam if an unknown man slps in the same bd as yr wife it’s adultery and punishable by death by stoning.
kenta89
You mean to say that both of those cant be dark and wrong? Wierd logic dude. I say condemn every nation that mistreats it's minorities!
Quipod
Because for some reason muslims have been adopted in to the minority hierarchy despite being nearly 25% of the world population.
kenta89
Yeah, being 25% of the world doesnt mean they cant be a minority in a country. You're thinking about groups too broadly
Quipod
Right. They are a minority in america, but only if you compare it to christianity. Comparing it to the other non-Christian religions they(1)
Quipod
Are still a majority.
iamshocked
If evidence is shown that China is actually committing genocide. Will that spark WW3? As it will hold similarities to the Nazi regime
KittFrostpaws
Nope.
Chickenlicker
north korea has been doing it for decades. the rest of the world kinda just lets them do their murderous thing
Necropoledancer
Important to note that nobody ever went to war with Germany *because" of how they were treating the jews.
Afterlife666
Mass genocide was committed against the Rohingya and they were displaced by Myanmar the world just watched now they are all in Bangladesh.
BadamWarlock
I'm gonna say no. Look at the powers that be, and look at the power that corporations hold. China is already know to use slave labor 1/2
BadamWarlock
and sweat shops, China is already known to silence and kill dissenters. Nothing gets done, pockets get lined. Unless they actively try 2/3
BadamWarlock
to claim other, powerful countries, I really doubt that anything gets done. 3/3
nefleb
Genocide inside your own borders doesn't spark a lot of things historically, or so late that other countries just come to count up the dead.
iamshocked
Yeah but if a major power is committing genocide. Which goes against international law would the world nations feel compelled to stop it
ABunchOfCapital
Yes, though it's sad how little feelings move anything in politics. I doubt much will really happen about this as there's no real incentive
ABunchOfCapital
Yes, though it's sad how little feelings move anything in politics. I doubt much will really happen about this as there's no real incentive
ABunchOfCapital
Yes, though it's sad how little feelings move anything in politics. I doubt much will really happen about this as there's no real incentive
SheepySleepySmuggler
Wars have historically been started by strong nation's attacking weak nations - when power is relatively balanced, it takes...
SheepySleepySmuggler
...some unusual act to trigger it. Given China's military strength, it is unlikely they would be attacked directly, regardless of...
SheepySleepySmuggler
...some unusual act to trigger it. Given China's military strength, it is unlikely they would be attacked directly, regardless of...
DavidBrooker
"...have likened the campaign to ethnic cleansing" - Excuse me, what? It's not 'like' ethnic cleansing. This is genocide. Pure and simple.
DavidBrooker
If anyone is curious what happens down in this thread, I'll save you the effort: I ask if he agrees or disagrees with a statement, he 1/2
DavidBrooker
spends 90 minutes avoiding the question. It was a statement by the Canadian Truth and Reconciliation Commission regarding its genocide 2/3
DavidBrooker
indigenous youth through the residential school system. 3/3
WraithTDK
It didn't say anything about them being killed or exiled. This is immoral, but doesn't really fit the definition of ethnic cleansing.
PangolinBan
It's ethnic cleansing alright. The Chinese don't want a pure Chinese population, that's not possible, what they want is to eradicate all 1/2
WraithTDK
That still doesn't qualify this as an ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is the KILLING or EXPULSION of an ethnic group.
PangolinBan
The Chinese are eradicating the Uighur ethnicity. There will eventually be no Uighur left because of this. It's slower than genocide, 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 but the end result is the same.
PangolinBan
2/2 pure non-Chinese groups - like the Uighur - inside their borders. Ethnic conformity.
DavidBrooker
Ethnic cleansing is not synonymous with mass murder. Ethnicity is not an exclusively genetic property. It is often also a cultural one. 1/2
DavidBrooker
Canada and Australia, for instance, are both very much guilty of cultural genocides of indigenous people. This has been shown in court 2/3
DavidBrooker
and in legislation in those countries. Cultural genocides are genocides. 3/3
WraithTDK
Ethnic cleansing is the killing or exiled of an ethnicity. That is the literal definition of the term.
DavidBrooker
That is part of the definition of the term. It is not the definition of the term. And part of your issue in this is your operating 1/2
WraithTDK
It IS the definition of the term: https://imgur.com/yapFFGu
DavidBrooker
definition of 'ethnicity' is genealogical, when that is (once again) part of the word, not the word. Eliminating a culture is the 2/3