Jun 8, 2020 12:29 PM
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No snakes either
Aelio
Perfect example of responsible, professional, orderly leadership. If only our US leaders were competent and could do the same, or take notes
JimmySomething6
What year comes before 2000 in New Zealand? Nonny Nonny Noyn
Kopar
NOW they're Covid-19 free.
Muunk
NZ is also geographic social distance champs
Sm9yCg
If I were a Kiwi, I would say "IN YOUR FACE, WORLD!" and mean it. Now i can just congratulate all of you and hope a vaccine comes soon
MartianBase
Inteligent, competent, charming.
Prospro
Wow, I am super happy for New Zealand that no one tisted positive
smorsdoeuvres
Good for them. Hope they can all stay healthy & safe in the midst of all the suffering & heartache with this new disease.
getlostcolleen
Sweet as!
PaulHurley
More sheep than people, my kind of place. Wait....I meant that as a sheep shearer. Oh bother.
suntoucher
Mate there are enough here that you don't even need to share
bigbadjohn795772
I want to create a politician exchange program
TheRicM
chockodragon
She is a great leader. I wish she were here in the US. This isn't her first demonstration of great leadership.
TheMysteriousBanana
@OP Don't forget the time some horrible tourists visited and the whole country united behind kicking them out lol.
Snotty128
Yeah NZs not really ready for pikeys. They’re too trusting and friendly. Uniting was the best way to deal with them
bolki10
She says „pürson“ and „tisted“ ... sooooooooo cute
FallingStar7669
One of my roommates is a kiwi, and she's just as cute as this lady. Way to go, New Zealand!
kiddub
They don’t want you.
STEELERSFAN719
This is what good leadership looks like
bloodvisionsbloodvisions
Labour governments by nature have the interests of ordinary people first
JHawke
They should have, but sadly some have been around long enough to fuck the common folk over just as hard.
HellfireJags
Have they checked Old Zealand yet?
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I dunno how the Netherlands is getting on... Hold on... I'll just check, they've had 6k confirmed deaths.
PDXDragon
Trump told us we're doing great too. So we have that going for us...
MooseYeti
I'm sick of people commenting and saying 'they're an island they could easily close border's' isn't that what your border control is for?
cannonnls4
A little harder to come in thru our border as we surrounded by ocean but yeah we kicked it’s dirty ass!!yusssss!
Shonamac
UK is also an island and we are totally fucking ourselves on this one. I work low level in a hospital and am mortified.
knuckledeepinachicken
*cries in American*
InsertAmusingUserName
Globaly, this if far from over. Not until a vaccine is available. NZ need to quarantine from the rest of the world to keep this level.
To an extent. Tourism will obviously suffer greatly, but NZs 2 biggest trade and tourism partners (China, Australia) are both recovering too
SergeantMajorSpoiler
She's such a delight - she, Sanna Marin and Angela Merkel are my favourite powers that be.
encerche
*Comrade Sanna Marin. Let's be very clear, her personal input to the pandemic has been nowhere to the level of NZ. Mistakes were made.
She was talking about keeping the borders open for limited amount of immigrants in March. The border with Sweden was never closed properly.
Demarit on ihan yhtä kommunisteja kuin kristilliset saatananpalvojia.
"Marin on kertonut harkinneensa politiikkaan lähtiessään SDP:n lisäksi vasemmistoliittoa ja vihreitä". Loput on PM kyselytunnilta kuultua.
Niin? Muttei päätynyt kumpaankaan. Joten älä viitsi, iso ihminen. Demareista ei saa kommunisteja, vaikka miten tosiasioita vääntelis.
Duceswild99
From the outside looking in, it seems like NZ has their act together. Regardless of the issue.
TurtIeproof
It's a small sample size I know but my friend from New Zealand is the most level headed guy I know. It helps they didn't have kids.
HarryPotter918
She said “tisted”. Lol.
AmandaDunne
They don’t. They do better than most countries but they still have majors issues that the govt never seems to want to address.
Kiore
Hey what's a little rampant domestic violence and shocking youth suicide rates eh..
BarbecueSteve
The first gets worse when the All Blacks lose a game. It's tragic.
Probably still spikes even when they win. I love my country but the child poverty and associated ills are abhorrent.
We do a lot right but take a look at our domestic violence rates, youth suicide rates, and racial disparities for Māori.
Joelistan
I'm going to say the racial disparities are an iffy topic, while colonialism obviously plays a huge part modern govt's have tried to put 1/2
Systems in place to aid maori ecconomic growth eg free uni as one example. Also maori language is being put into 2/3
Schools official documents etc, what im saying is the modern govt's are trying to help but some people don't want it.
They're an iffy topic because of entrenched racism. Colonial Government has made good steps as well as terrible steps but not nearly (1)
Enough to counter the intensity and breadth of the damage done and still ongoing. Sorry but jog on with that 'the problem is the Māori' shit
I didn't say more are the problem, im saying nothing can change if people don't take the helping hand out of the pit they have been put in.
Didn't say maori are*
akom
To be fair, they are a pretty small nation. Half the population of NYC spread out in an area 340 times larger.
I found the American.
On Imgur? Shocking.
I found another American who missed the point.
I found someone that was so eager to make a point they didn't realize they're talking to the same person.
Seaan2
Maybe so, but looking at cases per capita, NZ has still smashed it. No small feat
ikindacarebutimostlydont
Sounds nice
Caltropp
It is ?
Room for one more?
binyamj
They banned gun ownership and made it legal to abort a baby up to the day of birth. Look up the details. Their PM is a psycho bitch!
pyritether
Muppet
So both of that is untrue, semi automatic are banned and abortion up to 20 weeks is now legal.
20 weeks is disgusting! The child will be ripped apart limb by limb. This is a fully functioning child. Gun bans of any kind are awful.
Okay, well you're entitled to your opinion.
Wow, are you properly lying or do you really believe something easily verifiable as untrue?
What part is untrue?
She rushed through the most extreme abortion laws...in the world! She banned all semi-auto firearms in 2019. Facts!
It also appears Canada still has us beat on access to termination healthcare, although I wish we could claim to win that one.
Oh look, suddenly the story changes. Big difference between banning semi-auto firearms and outlawing gun ownership.
MeCJay12
The first time I really heard about them in the news was for that church shooting and all their policy responses seemed authoritarian.
ninjahobbit8006
Mosque shooting*
moeojelly
The sole reason Trenton committed the massacre here was because our gun laws were slacker than Australia's but yay terrorism
I love my rifles, but history has shown that taking away guns gets results-and after a shooting like that the govt had to do something
dylanamanhouilhan
Punishing people for the actions of others is fundamentally unjust
VinerialBlumpkin11
Very much so. Implemented by just a few. Took privately owned property without reimbursement, and ineffective. Gun crime is increasing.
Youhavinagiraffe
Similar measures the UK introduced after a horrific school shooting in 1996. Our school shooting ever...
It had the overwhelming support of the public including many fun owners and they were reimbursed (very emphatically, why would you lie?).
Nearly anyone who owned the guns being banned was against it. It was not overwhelming support. What the media report and reality are
Sometimes different. Current estimates are less than half of the guns that were banned were turned in.
Okay, and the reimbursement? Again, why lie?
illegalacorn
one issue that actually is bad: housing prices/availability and lack of new construction - many blaming immigrants because of it
BreadKrums
Racist
BuzzKillingtonEsq
I kind of want to be one of those immigrants contributing to your housing crisis, TBH...
WilliamWeird
Sounds like my home of Vancouver, except with a delightful pronunciation on the words "wullingtun bewtsh"
poptartvt
And then there is the shortage of jerbs for uni grads
Are there any developed countries that don't have this problem?
Japan with Laissaiez fair housing
heyyyyyouguyyys
Love New Zealand, and want to go back someday. Only thing I didn’t like was that they dump 1080 poison for population control of wildlife.
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodWizard
What is that? Is it similar to many commercial poisons In the states? Cause all of those cause a decent amount of cancer
It’s a “biodegradable“ poison that their government dumps on occasion when wildlife becomes over populated. But they can’t control which 1/2
Species digests the poison. It gets in the water systems. New Zealand wouldn’t have a wildlife population issue if they would start ... 2/3
Implementing hunting seasons. Its legal to hunt in NZ, but there are no seasons for conservation to help control the population. 3/4...
DocMartinL
Strictly speaking, it's population control of noxious pests, and it's supported by research, but HIGHLY controversial. Not to disagree...
No worries. I’m always up for respectful debate. My opinion is that it could be better for the environment to use hunting as a course of 1/.
Better, yes, in an ideal world. But it’s just not as effective... meanwhile, the native birds suffer.
Animal population control. The NZ government could make money off of hunting permits and tourism instead of spending money on poison.
It's mainly for rats, mice, stoats, ferrets, etc. They tend to attack the flightless, burrow-nesting birds. Or eat their eggs.
It's not that simple, most of nz is neat impossible to reach on foot, and hunting is just not realistic option at invasive pest control.
sammysixshooter
There's no permits needed, you can shoot as many deer, goat, possums, rabbits, pigs as you want. As introduced species they can't be killed
CaspianQuix
Not trying to take anything away from NZ, just want to add some perspective: NZ population: 4.8 million, New York population 8.5 million.
PorpoiseInvasion
The state of New York had more the 19 million people
texasfoodman
So why do they have none and nyc has a duck load?
Doggomatic
I want to add some perspective too. We succeeded because we did what was asked of us, when asked.
FourLegsGood
Irrelevant
PoorSucker
So, compare with Alabama
adamant
1B sheep
OH MY GOD, DID ANYONE TEST THE SHEEP??!!
hemi2hell
Let’s try this NZ GDP is 200 billion, US is 20.5 trillion not 10x but 100x the money muscle...and it’s related resources
babyluthi
5m pop
konmari
Which is Why New York should’ve been even stricter LOL
shepahrdjhon
Ok then seperate the states. End this "United" nonsense since it's very clear especially the south isn't United with the rest of the country
Spnkmyr
Not to mention, New Zealand is an island that can close its borders pretty easy. That would be a difficult thing to do in Manhattan.
MalcomReynoldsWrap
Well let's logically use NY as the basis for blanket decisions. The county I live in, for example, has a population of 200,000 and (1)
we've had, I think 9 people die from coronavirus, the youngest being in their 60's.
Shoutrr
it's not the numbers, it's the mentality and culture.
VC999999
About what's doing what's best for the society, as opposed to yourself at that exact minute. There were likely some "Karen"s to deal with.
robinstockwell
a few whiny bitches liek simon bridges but all up bro, we did ace :) just gotta give a shit about science and not your own opinion
Piizzle
The point is they took the proper measure to flatten the curve and listened to the people that knows how to beat the pandemic.
Rex83ll4t0r
Well if the United States did what New Zealand did and if America wasn't under the control of clown running a circus
eggmuffin
How come Americans seem to have such trouble with percentages?
thevortexmaster
Why are we comparing to the USA?
I guess if you're American it's logical hahaha
Multipew
Narcissism
Silas007
Probably because the majority of imgurians are US residents.
50% of imgur is American. Heck there's 3 million Canadians on here
Sickofloooking0
Number is even smaller most NZ citizens live In Australia
haha ummmmmm no
4.7 million NZ citizens, 483,000 of them In Australia. No issue with it but on the world stage she's not really in the same ball park.
ummmmmmmm haha no. she is CLEARLY leading the way. you think population makes leaders? lmfaooooo
That's exactly what a leader is. You can't compare 5 people to 5 million I don't think you know how countries work my friend.
StarchildDreamer
US cases/1 mil pop is 6000 while NZ is 300. For US to be comparable success story as NZ and not a catastrophe, it had to peak at 100k cases.
THIS!
Not comparing just giving the credit where credit is due.
WhatJackBurtonAlwaysSays
Thanks bro.
Absolutely.
steve1907
I'd love to just once see this good news story without someone feeling the need to bring the US into it, they're not mentioned anywhere,
am0k
Well Imgur’s user base is more than 50% American so there’s that...
CarlottaVonSprockett
It’s hard not to feel defensive when you’re losing so badly. We like to think we’re the best, and 2020 is proving that to be untrue.
I'm sure you're a god guy, but what is the point in making this comment? what's it point? It's not a competition.
gregorclegane
Buddy, don’t engage with em, go have a beer and laugh at something stupid.
Leinfors
Its not about competition, its about appreciating a good thing without having to bring something negative back into it.
str8tooken
NZ, confirmed-1,154. recovered-1,132, dead-22.... NY, confirmed-378,000, recovered-67,261, DEAD-24,254
Population density played a big role. Its easier to avoid ppl and isolate here. But I reckon we just took it super serious and acted quick
eca05jrc
So with less than double the population New York has almost 400 times as many cases???!
Ahhhh STATISTICS ?
"Something something population density argument followed by silence when you quote Japan's covid stats"
palatinekatinka
and 1,102 times as many deaths (so far).
blastedsteak
Well one of these has absolutely morons in charge.
SuperHir0
Yeah our president siezed and sold off any ppe and breathing machines to other countries.
Wallerwilly
And living in there as well, it's not like the ones in charge forced them to go out of their way to spread it.
PurplePrinny
NZ also has a lot more room, being a country and all. NYC is literally just one city. It's a perfect breeding ground for pathogens.
doggyafuera
Yeah but a 5th of our population lives in one city, and that room is take up by farmland and national parks
To be clear, not saying mistakes weren't made, but NYC was playing on hard mode.
xxoctavianxx
Good luck moving there, NZ and Australia have extremely strict immigration policies
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Phantomofthepantry
As an immigrant in NZ STILL fighting to stay after 8 years.. yes. You are very correct...but it's worth the battle.
Ilikecreativepeople
But that's racist™ /s
Simonboo
Immigration control - no problem down there, all OK, fair dinkum. Try to do it in the UK and you’ll get shouted down for being racist. Nuts.
anonymousthumbs
I am undergoing an immigration process w/ NZ and it isn't the worst. UK and Aus are far more strict and $$$. Being from a commonwealth helps
imsoolost
Not if you’re rich. I’m looking at you, Peter Thiel.
RadishIsAMeat
Given how many people leave NZ to live in the UK there's definitely some problems they're not telling people about.
Well we’re fucking tiny and it’s all well in good living there but you see fuck off of the world. We move there to see the rest of the world
Boatsntoes
Well they are small places
BoooBerry
RACISTS!
Timetosleep123
NZ is a great place to grow up, but there are some deep issues there, low wages and high living costs. NZ greatest exports are 1/2
Dairy, beef and people. Glad I grew up there but Australia has a better standard of living and opportunities, if you are willing to work 2/2
LordBinz
You also have to be willing to cohabitate with all manner of poisonous and venomous creatures too, something im glad isnt in NZ.
DavidBrooker
In terms of legal migration, Australia, NZ, and Canada are all easier to enter than the US, as evidenced by higher immigration rates.
imsam77
So....no wall? Wonder if we can just sneak in.
Hypnoticcow
I've seen people turned down from visiting because they admitted they smoked pot back home
That one was NZ
BrownAppShaper
Depends on where you're from and what you do for work
PuppiesAreMyHappyPlace
Yes, and tech professionals get expedited through that process
JustinSane6
Cuz they don’t want Americans ruining everything.
nakedbassist
Oh sure, everyone else can have strict immigration laws but when the US tries to enforce it they're considered racist.
Chefroy
For good reason. Imagine we find an untouched lake that is beautiful and clean beyond anything else. Most of our first thought is
Let be real, we’re not as clean and green as we claim
I cant wait to visit it. And then its no longer as beautiful and clean.
pareidoliaperson
Only if you're a cunt tho. Non-cunts would know to keep things clean.
There are just more cunts than there are non-cunts.
bigjockmcplop
And house prices are utterly ridiculous
GoIIum
I had the chance once but decided to stay closer to my parents while they are around. Might give it another go at some point.
idontknowhowthissiteworks
And the states are deemed racist for having less strict policies than other countries.
The US is more strict than either of them.
That's my point, yet we are deemed racist or whatever bullshit for having less restrictions than most of the 1st world.
lowkeylives
That's not why people think racism is a problem in America (It is, by the way)
Lemme hear you out. How can we have the least restrictions on immigration yet still be deemed racists?
Except you don't have less restrictions, and racism isn't just a title bestowed to the worst actor
We literally do, have less restrictions, than most of the developed countries in the world. Do your math.
PandaGunit
And you have to prove you have a paid ticket to leave NZ before they even let you in to visit. It's worth the visit though. Gorgeous country
CgnCalling
Same with visitors to the US.
Ezzybells
That’s pretty common though.
Eldibs
That seems pretty easy. I've never booked a trip anywhere without having the return ticket paid for ahead of time.
Me neither, but if you aren't sure what day you'll return it could be problematic. NZ is the only place I know with that requirement.
It caught me off guard so I had to scramble to pull the paperwork out. Only a minor delay at the counter. Wasn't a big deal. But a friend of
Mine didn't know when he'd return home and only purchased a one way ticket. They made him purchase a return ticket at the counter.
akambe
They should totally build a wall. Or something. To keep out the riffraff.
kmr25
Or like an ocean. Like a giant moat.
Dude it took so long to chisel ourselves away from Australia
MemeFarmingIsHonestWork
Isn’t that being racist and xenophobic?
Iowyn
A country having strong immigration policies? I don't think that's exactly racist. It certainly could be better though.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Only if it specifies certain people who won't be let in for ... "reasons". Simply having normal requirements to become a citizen is normal.
RecoveringIntrovert
Uhh no
horsecrippler77
It is in the US for certain political groups.
Somethingclever321
Yes, IF they selectively enforce immigration based on race. Kinda how the trumpers scream build that wall, and only call Mexicans illegal 1
Despite a number of other countries having "illegal" immigrants here. But they're white so nbd.
BrazilianThunderPanda
*cough*Chinese
Damn thanks for heads up. I have no desire to move to Aus with all the creepy crawlers
freehugsforeveryone
See you in new Zealand
YeahNahNahYeahNahYeah
Hey!! I may be creepy, but I don't crawl!!
FlipTheBirdBeforeTheBirdFlipsYou
NZ has a hidden Imgurian checkbox on the immigration form, tick it and wave your hand like "this is the citizen you're looking for".
Viruss0
I like how you arent even worried about the emus or drop bears...
And all the deadly animals too
yeezusmight
look its not all bad just give you wallet to the boxing 'roos when they rob ya
Aussies aren't that bad
WesModena
Yeah we are. We are kinda bad.
wurdtoyer
A vastly overhyped threat, I promise.
Thedewk
It's the dropbears that are the threat
shutterbugonthefly
Agreed, they can be problematic
BreakerMark78
It’s almost like Aus and NZ don’t want people moving there
Dairyfiend
we don't
Where I am from, I'm told I am a racist if I don't want lots of immigrants.
Aelio
Perfect example of responsible, professional, orderly leadership. If only our US leaders were competent and could do the same, or take notes
JimmySomething6
What year comes before 2000 in New Zealand? Nonny Nonny Noyn
Kopar
NOW they're Covid-19 free.
Muunk
NZ is also geographic social distance champs
Sm9yCg
If I were a Kiwi, I would say "IN YOUR FACE, WORLD!" and mean it. Now i can just congratulate all of you and hope a vaccine comes soon
MartianBase
Inteligent, competent, charming.
Prospro
Wow, I am super happy for New Zealand that no one tisted positive
smorsdoeuvres
Good for them. Hope they can all stay healthy & safe in the midst of all the suffering & heartache with this new disease.
getlostcolleen
Sweet as!
PaulHurley
More sheep than people, my kind of place. Wait....I meant that as a sheep shearer. Oh bother.
suntoucher
Mate there are enough here that you don't even need to share
bigbadjohn795772
I want to create a politician exchange program
TheRicM
chockodragon
She is a great leader. I wish she were here in the US. This isn't her first demonstration of great leadership.
TheMysteriousBanana
@OP Don't forget the time some horrible tourists visited and the whole country united behind kicking them out lol.
Snotty128
Yeah NZs not really ready for pikeys. They’re too trusting and friendly. Uniting was the best way to deal with them
bolki10
She says „pürson“ and „tisted“ ... sooooooooo cute
FallingStar7669
One of my roommates is a kiwi, and she's just as cute as this lady. Way to go, New Zealand!
kiddub
They don’t want you.
STEELERSFAN719
This is what good leadership looks like
bloodvisionsbloodvisions
Labour governments by nature have the interests of ordinary people first
JHawke
They should have, but sadly some have been around long enough to fuck the common folk over just as hard.
HellfireJags
Have they checked Old Zealand yet?
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I dunno how the Netherlands is getting on... Hold on... I'll just check, they've had 6k confirmed deaths.
PDXDragon
Trump told us we're doing great too. So we have that going for us...
MooseYeti
I'm sick of people commenting and saying 'they're an island they could easily close border's' isn't that what your border control is for?
cannonnls4
A little harder to come in thru our border as we surrounded by ocean but yeah we kicked it’s dirty ass!!yusssss!
Shonamac
UK is also an island and we are totally fucking ourselves on this one. I work low level in a hospital and am mortified.
knuckledeepinachicken
*cries in American*
InsertAmusingUserName
Globaly, this if far from over. Not until a vaccine is available. NZ need to quarantine from the rest of the world to keep this level.
Snotty128
To an extent. Tourism will obviously suffer greatly, but NZs 2 biggest trade and tourism partners (China, Australia) are both recovering too
SergeantMajorSpoiler
She's such a delight - she, Sanna Marin and Angela Merkel are my favourite powers that be.
encerche
*Comrade Sanna Marin. Let's be very clear, her personal input to the pandemic has been nowhere to the level of NZ. Mistakes were made.
encerche
She was talking about keeping the borders open for limited amount of immigrants in March. The border with Sweden was never closed properly.
SergeantMajorSpoiler
Demarit on ihan yhtä kommunisteja kuin kristilliset saatananpalvojia.
encerche
"Marin on kertonut harkinneensa politiikkaan lähtiessään SDP:n lisäksi vasemmistoliittoa ja vihreitä". Loput on PM kyselytunnilta kuultua.
SergeantMajorSpoiler
Niin? Muttei päätynyt kumpaankaan. Joten älä viitsi, iso ihminen. Demareista ei saa kommunisteja, vaikka miten tosiasioita vääntelis.
Duceswild99
From the outside looking in, it seems like NZ has their act together. Regardless of the issue.
TurtIeproof
It's a small sample size I know but my friend from New Zealand is the most level headed guy I know. It helps they didn't have kids.
HarryPotter918
She said “tisted”. Lol.
AmandaDunne
They don’t. They do better than most countries but they still have majors issues that the govt never seems to want to address.
Kiore
Hey what's a little rampant domestic violence and shocking youth suicide rates eh..
BarbecueSteve
The first gets worse when the All Blacks lose a game. It's tragic.
Kiore
Probably still spikes even when they win. I love my country but the child poverty and associated ills are abhorrent.
Kiore
We do a lot right but take a look at our domestic violence rates, youth suicide rates, and racial disparities for Māori.
Joelistan
I'm going to say the racial disparities are an iffy topic, while colonialism obviously plays a huge part modern govt's have tried to put 1/2
Joelistan
Systems in place to aid maori ecconomic growth eg free uni as one example. Also maori language is being put into 2/3
Joelistan
Schools official documents etc, what im saying is the modern govt's are trying to help but some people don't want it.
Kiore
They're an iffy topic because of entrenched racism. Colonial Government has made good steps as well as terrible steps but not nearly (1)
Kiore
Enough to counter the intensity and breadth of the damage done and still ongoing. Sorry but jog on with that 'the problem is the Māori' shit
Joelistan
I didn't say more are the problem, im saying nothing can change if people don't take the helping hand out of the pit they have been put in.
Joelistan
Didn't say maori are*
akom
To be fair, they are a pretty small nation. Half the population of NYC spread out in an area 340 times larger.
Joelistan
I found the American.
akom
On Imgur? Shocking.
Joelistan
I found another American who missed the point.
akom
I found someone that was so eager to make a point they didn't realize they're talking to the same person.
Seaan2
Maybe so, but looking at cases per capita, NZ has still smashed it. No small feat
ikindacarebutimostlydont
Sounds nice
Caltropp
It is ?
ikindacarebutimostlydont
Room for one more?
binyamj
They banned gun ownership and made it legal to abort a baby up to the day of birth. Look up the details. Their PM is a psycho bitch!
pyritether
Muppet
Joelistan
So both of that is untrue, semi automatic are banned and abortion up to 20 weeks is now legal.
binyamj
20 weeks is disgusting! The child will be ripped apart limb by limb. This is a fully functioning child. Gun bans of any kind are awful.
Joelistan
Okay, well you're entitled to your opinion.
Kiore
Wow, are you properly lying or do you really believe something easily verifiable as untrue?
binyamj
What part is untrue?
binyamj
She rushed through the most extreme abortion laws...in the world! She banned all semi-auto firearms in 2019. Facts!
Kiore
It also appears Canada still has us beat on access to termination healthcare, although I wish we could claim to win that one.
Kiore
Oh look, suddenly the story changes. Big difference between banning semi-auto firearms and outlawing gun ownership.
MeCJay12
The first time I really heard about them in the news was for that church shooting and all their policy responses seemed authoritarian.
ninjahobbit8006
Mosque shooting*
moeojelly
The sole reason Trenton committed the massacre here was because our gun laws were slacker than Australia's but yay terrorism
Seaan2
I love my rifles, but history has shown that taking away guns gets results-and after a shooting like that the govt had to do something
dylanamanhouilhan
Punishing people for the actions of others is fundamentally unjust
VinerialBlumpkin11
Very much so. Implemented by just a few. Took privately owned property without reimbursement, and ineffective. Gun crime is increasing.
Youhavinagiraffe
Similar measures the UK introduced after a horrific school shooting in 1996. Our school shooting ever...
Kiore
It had the overwhelming support of the public including many fun owners and they were reimbursed (very emphatically, why would you lie?).
VinerialBlumpkin11
Nearly anyone who owned the guns being banned was against it. It was not overwhelming support. What the media report and reality are
VinerialBlumpkin11
Sometimes different. Current estimates are less than half of the guns that were banned were turned in.
Kiore
Okay, and the reimbursement? Again, why lie?
illegalacorn
one issue that actually is bad: housing prices/availability and lack of new construction - many blaming immigrants because of it
BreadKrums
Racist
BuzzKillingtonEsq
I kind of want to be one of those immigrants contributing to your housing crisis, TBH...
WilliamWeird
Sounds like my home of Vancouver, except with a delightful pronunciation on the words "wullingtun bewtsh"
poptartvt
And then there is the shortage of jerbs for uni grads
Youhavinagiraffe
Are there any developed countries that don't have this problem?
dylanamanhouilhan
Japan with Laissaiez fair housing
heyyyyyouguyyys
Love New Zealand, and want to go back someday. Only thing I didn’t like was that they dump 1080 poison for population control of wildlife.
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodWizard
What is that? Is it similar to many commercial poisons In the states? Cause all of those cause a decent amount of cancer
heyyyyyouguyyys
It’s a “biodegradable“ poison that their government dumps on occasion when wildlife becomes over populated. But they can’t control which 1/2
heyyyyyouguyyys
Species digests the poison. It gets in the water systems. New Zealand wouldn’t have a wildlife population issue if they would start ... 2/3
heyyyyyouguyyys
Implementing hunting seasons. Its legal to hunt in NZ, but there are no seasons for conservation to help control the population. 3/4...
DocMartinL
Strictly speaking, it's population control of noxious pests, and it's supported by research, but HIGHLY controversial. Not to disagree...
heyyyyyouguyyys
No worries. I’m always up for respectful debate. My opinion is that it could be better for the environment to use hunting as a course of 1/.
DocMartinL
Better, yes, in an ideal world. But it’s just not as effective... meanwhile, the native birds suffer.
heyyyyyouguyyys
Animal population control. The NZ government could make money off of hunting permits and tourism instead of spending money on poison.
BarbecueSteve
It's mainly for rats, mice, stoats, ferrets, etc. They tend to attack the flightless, burrow-nesting birds. Or eat their eggs.
Joelistan
It's not that simple, most of nz is neat impossible to reach on foot, and hunting is just not realistic option at invasive pest control.
sammysixshooter
There's no permits needed, you can shoot as many deer, goat, possums, rabbits, pigs as you want. As introduced species they can't be killed
CaspianQuix
Not trying to take anything away from NZ, just want to add some perspective: NZ population: 4.8 million, New York population 8.5 million.
PorpoiseInvasion
The state of New York had more the 19 million people
texasfoodman
So why do they have none and nyc has a duck load?
Doggomatic
I want to add some perspective too. We succeeded because we did what was asked of us, when asked.
FourLegsGood
Irrelevant
PoorSucker
So, compare with Alabama
adamant
1B sheep
CaspianQuix
OH MY GOD, DID ANYONE TEST THE SHEEP??!!
hemi2hell
Let’s try this NZ GDP is 200 billion, US is 20.5 trillion not 10x but 100x the money muscle...and it’s related resources
babyluthi
5m pop
konmari
Which is Why New York should’ve been even stricter LOL
shepahrdjhon
Ok then seperate the states. End this "United" nonsense since it's very clear especially the south isn't United with the rest of the country
Spnkmyr
Not to mention, New Zealand is an island that can close its borders pretty easy. That would be a difficult thing to do in Manhattan.
MalcomReynoldsWrap
Well let's logically use NY as the basis for blanket decisions. The county I live in, for example, has a population of 200,000 and (1)
MalcomReynoldsWrap
we've had, I think 9 people die from coronavirus, the youngest being in their 60's.
Shoutrr
it's not the numbers, it's the mentality and culture.
VC999999
About what's doing what's best for the society, as opposed to yourself at that exact minute. There were likely some "Karen"s to deal with.
robinstockwell
a few whiny bitches liek simon bridges but all up bro, we did ace :) just gotta give a shit about science and not your own opinion
Piizzle
The point is they took the proper measure to flatten the curve and listened to the people that knows how to beat the pandemic.
Rex83ll4t0r
Well if the United States did what New Zealand did and if America wasn't under the control of clown running a circus
eggmuffin
How come Americans seem to have such trouble with percentages?
thevortexmaster
Why are we comparing to the USA?
thevortexmaster
I guess if you're American it's logical hahaha
Multipew
Narcissism
Silas007
Probably because the majority of imgurians are US residents.
thevortexmaster
50% of imgur is American. Heck there's 3 million Canadians on here
Sickofloooking0
Number is even smaller most NZ citizens live In Australia
robinstockwell
haha ummmmmm no
Sickofloooking0
4.7 million NZ citizens, 483,000 of them In Australia. No issue with it but on the world stage she's not really in the same ball park.
robinstockwell
ummmmmmmm haha no. she is CLEARLY leading the way. you think population makes leaders? lmfaooooo
Sickofloooking0
That's exactly what a leader is. You can't compare 5 people to 5 million I don't think you know how countries work my friend.
StarchildDreamer
US cases/1 mil pop is 6000 while NZ is 300. For US to be comparable success story as NZ and not a catastrophe, it had to peak at 100k cases.
Seaan2
THIS!
Yoda1PositivityStar
Not comparing just giving the credit where credit is due.
WhatJackBurtonAlwaysSays
Thanks bro.
CaspianQuix
Absolutely.
steve1907
I'd love to just once see this good news story without someone feeling the need to bring the US into it, they're not mentioned anywhere,
am0k
Well Imgur’s user base is more than 50% American so there’s that...
CarlottaVonSprockett
It’s hard not to feel defensive when you’re losing so badly. We like to think we’re the best, and 2020 is proving that to be untrue.
steve1907
I'm sure you're a god guy, but what is the point in making this comment? what's it point? It's not a competition.
gregorclegane
Buddy, don’t engage with em, go have a beer and laugh at something stupid.
Leinfors
Its not about competition, its about appreciating a good thing without having to bring something negative back into it.
str8tooken
NZ, confirmed-1,154. recovered-1,132, dead-22.... NY, confirmed-378,000, recovered-67,261, DEAD-24,254
WhatJackBurtonAlwaysSays
Population density played a big role. Its easier to avoid ppl and isolate here. But I reckon we just took it super serious and acted quick
eca05jrc
So with less than double the population New York has almost 400 times as many cases???!
konmari
Ahhhh STATISTICS ?
Multipew
"Something something population density argument followed by silence when you quote Japan's covid stats"
palatinekatinka
and 1,102 times as many deaths (so far).
blastedsteak
Well one of these has absolutely morons in charge.
SuperHir0
Yeah our president siezed and sold off any ppe and breathing machines to other countries.
Wallerwilly
And living in there as well, it's not like the ones in charge forced them to go out of their way to spread it.
PurplePrinny
NZ also has a lot more room, being a country and all. NYC is literally just one city. It's a perfect breeding ground for pathogens.
doggyafuera
Yeah but a 5th of our population lives in one city, and that room is take up by farmland and national parks
PurplePrinny
To be clear, not saying mistakes weren't made, but NYC was playing on hard mode.
xxoctavianxx
Good luck moving there, NZ and Australia have extremely strict immigration policies
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Phantomofthepantry
As an immigrant in NZ STILL fighting to stay after 8 years.. yes. You are very correct...but it's worth the battle.
Ilikecreativepeople
But that's racist™ /s
Simonboo
Immigration control - no problem down there, all OK, fair dinkum. Try to do it in the UK and you’ll get shouted down for being racist. Nuts.
anonymousthumbs
I am undergoing an immigration process w/ NZ and it isn't the worst. UK and Aus are far more strict and $$$. Being from a commonwealth helps
imsoolost
Not if you’re rich. I’m looking at you, Peter Thiel.
RadishIsAMeat
Given how many people leave NZ to live in the UK there's definitely some problems they're not telling people about.
doggyafuera
Well we’re fucking tiny and it’s all well in good living there but you see fuck off of the world. We move there to see the rest of the world
Boatsntoes
Well they are small places
BoooBerry
RACISTS!
Timetosleep123
NZ is a great place to grow up, but there are some deep issues there, low wages and high living costs. NZ greatest exports are 1/2
Timetosleep123
Dairy, beef and people. Glad I grew up there but Australia has a better standard of living and opportunities, if you are willing to work 2/2
LordBinz
You also have to be willing to cohabitate with all manner of poisonous and venomous creatures too, something im glad isnt in NZ.
DavidBrooker
In terms of legal migration, Australia, NZ, and Canada are all easier to enter than the US, as evidenced by higher immigration rates.
imsam77
So....no wall? Wonder if we can just sneak in.
Hypnoticcow
I've seen people turned down from visiting because they admitted they smoked pot back home
Hypnoticcow
That one was NZ
BrownAppShaper
Depends on where you're from and what you do for work
PuppiesAreMyHappyPlace
Yes, and tech professionals get expedited through that process
JustinSane6
Cuz they don’t want Americans ruining everything.
nakedbassist
Oh sure, everyone else can have strict immigration laws but when the US tries to enforce it they're considered racist.
Chefroy
For good reason. Imagine we find an untouched lake that is beautiful and clean beyond anything else. Most of our first thought is
doggyafuera
Let be real, we’re not as clean and green as we claim
Chefroy
I cant wait to visit it. And then its no longer as beautiful and clean.
pareidoliaperson
Only if you're a cunt tho. Non-cunts would know to keep things clean.
Chefroy
There are just more cunts than there are non-cunts.
bigjockmcplop
And house prices are utterly ridiculous
GoIIum
I had the chance once but decided to stay closer to my parents while they are around. Might give it another go at some point.
idontknowhowthissiteworks
And the states are deemed racist for having less strict policies than other countries.
DavidBrooker
The US is more strict than either of them.
idontknowhowthissiteworks
That's my point, yet we are deemed racist or whatever bullshit for having less restrictions than most of the 1st world.
lowkeylives
That's not why people think racism is a problem in America (It is, by the way)
idontknowhowthissiteworks
Lemme hear you out. How can we have the least restrictions on immigration yet still be deemed racists?
DavidBrooker
Except you don't have less restrictions, and racism isn't just a title bestowed to the worst actor
idontknowhowthissiteworks
We literally do, have less restrictions, than most of the developed countries in the world. Do your math.
PandaGunit
And you have to prove you have a paid ticket to leave NZ before they even let you in to visit. It's worth the visit though. Gorgeous country
CgnCalling
Same with visitors to the US.
Ezzybells
That’s pretty common though.
Eldibs
That seems pretty easy. I've never booked a trip anywhere without having the return ticket paid for ahead of time.
PandaGunit
Me neither, but if you aren't sure what day you'll return it could be problematic. NZ is the only place I know with that requirement.
PandaGunit
It caught me off guard so I had to scramble to pull the paperwork out. Only a minor delay at the counter. Wasn't a big deal. But a friend of
PandaGunit
Mine didn't know when he'd return home and only purchased a one way ticket. They made him purchase a return ticket at the counter.
akambe
They should totally build a wall. Or something. To keep out the riffraff.
kmr25
Or like an ocean. Like a giant moat.
doggyafuera
Dude it took so long to chisel ourselves away from Australia
MemeFarmingIsHonestWork
Isn’t that being racist and xenophobic?
Iowyn
A country having strong immigration policies? I don't think that's exactly racist. It certainly could be better though.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Only if it specifies certain people who won't be let in for ... "reasons". Simply having normal requirements to become a citizen is normal.
RecoveringIntrovert
Uhh no
horsecrippler77
It is in the US for certain political groups.
Somethingclever321
Yes, IF they selectively enforce immigration based on race. Kinda how the trumpers scream build that wall, and only call Mexicans illegal 1
Somethingclever321
Despite a number of other countries having "illegal" immigrants here. But they're white so nbd.
BrazilianThunderPanda
*cough*Chinese
Yoda1PositivityStar
Damn thanks for heads up. I have no desire to move to Aus with all the creepy crawlers
freehugsforeveryone
See you in new Zealand
YeahNahNahYeahNahYeah
Hey!! I may be creepy, but I don't crawl!!
FlipTheBirdBeforeTheBirdFlipsYou
NZ has a hidden Imgurian checkbox on the immigration form, tick it and wave your hand like "this is the citizen you're looking for".
Viruss0
I like how you arent even worried about the emus or drop bears...
Ilikecreativepeople
And all the deadly animals too
yeezusmight
look its not all bad just give you wallet to the boxing 'roos when they rob ya
moeojelly
Aussies aren't that bad
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WesModena
Yeah we are. We are kinda bad.
wurdtoyer
A vastly overhyped threat, I promise.
Thedewk
It's the dropbears that are the threat
shutterbugonthefly
Agreed, they can be problematic
BreakerMark78
It’s almost like Aus and NZ don’t want people moving there
Dairyfiend
we don't
VinerialBlumpkin11
Where I am from, I'm told I am a racist if I don't want lots of immigrants.