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DefenderOfDog
I thought peta had like a holocaust center for pets were they just kill 95% of then
mitch0665
The clearing of land to farm plants is what has caused the biggest environmental problem in the world we can raise animals in forest.
JelousConjurer
PETA MAKES ME FUCKING FURIOUS! IM GONNA NEED TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE GRANDMA AIR DRYER GIF!!!
IDontAgreeWithAnything
Just saving that fish from drowning...
innagaddavidababy
Then why are they made of MEAT?
TongueLasher
One is good for dinner, one for breakfast, one for lunch and the other for good friday (or bait).
itsatriplebaby
They are precious lives, that gives us nutrients
Skunkymunky
Does anyone else feel like PETA is mostly used as a straw man argument to avoid the legitimate arguments for not eating meat?
Flubbert
I'm sad a sensible comment like yours doesn't get much attention.
ilovedarkchocolate
I love veal
TastyBrainMeats
Every life has worth. Which is why we need to push human tech as fast and as far as we can, so we can understand and change the world.
PraiseThePook
PETA makes me sad.
assbad
I always upvote fish
blackbenetavo
PETA thinks it's better to kill your pet than let it be a pet.
InsistYouDesist
fuck PETA
SeriousPotato1
The fish is probably the only one in those photos that humans wouldn't have killed
SeriousPotato1
Unless the person left the fish out of water of course, then it's all of them.
WilwoWaggins
I take it this isn't a Planned Parenthood ad.
erugby
My tired brain read "every life has little worth"
opdeliversifrequested
You are not wrong nether the less. Im not paying for the life. Im paying for the meat.
paddycircles
plants are alive
Leisher
But you can't look them in the eye or hear their screams, so it's ok to eat them.
Flubbert
Come on guys, yeah PETA is dumb, but we are destroying a lot of lives with our mass meat consumption. Maybe we can cut it down a little?
samituret
please actually watch footage of life on factory farms (e.g. "earthlings") where almost all meat comes from. know what you're supporting.
JustGoWithIt191
Reduce meat intake because it is good for the environment. The beef/dairy industry is a leading cause of methane.
wildwiredweasel
ahhh, peta. The only slaughterhouse organization trying to pass itself off as humanitarian.
williamsee
Veal, $5/lb Bacon $4/lb Bait , 10 pilchards $7.60
AngelOzwin
Exactly.
dontsayretarded0itsgay
Where are you buying your bacon?
Hogmamma
Now buy live pilchards for $20 a dozen
NorseNanuq
TooDumbToCare
Value of a pig = not going hungry.
trapazoid
are pilchards sardines?
StonedLikeACheatingMuslimWoman
This comment section makes me want to go vegan out of spite.
Flubbert
I'm starting to think this site doesn't have much more sense than PETA (which is bad if you know PETA).
RadicalMooseLambs
Wow a non vegan who can’t shut up about going vegan. That’s next level veganism.
theMaplekindyea
Why does this site love animals so much but hates vegans?
evilcarp
Because we are not allowed to eat vegans?
Bethem909
Because they are sanctimonious, hypocritical assholes who try to force their moral beliefs on others. You know. Same reason to hate anyone.
theMaplekindyea
Isn't that a bit assuming? You're calling total strangers hypocrites and assholes...
chrisat928
Of course they're not meals, they're too small.
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BarretXIII
whiskyshrimp
They're appetizers.
DrKriegersClone
Is it an anchovy? Could be a pizza topping I suppose, if you're weird like that.
painstream
Kid's meals?
LyraTheLycan
Tell that to McDonald's
dferd777
Try suckling pig. It will change your life.
IdleNarrator
Wait a minute! You don't it piglet, lamb, or calf meat?!
IdleNarrator
eat* dammit!
IBegToDiffer
You gotta let the little delicious things grow up to be big delicious things
ASongOfPissAndFarts
Damn right. They's a snack.
Anamethatwasntused
Make good bait for actual meals tho.
cntdn
Eating other predators is inefficient, due to energy loss along the food chain, and toxins build up in predators + added danger of fighting.
cntdn
Unless you were just talking about fishing
Wikipedo
They're starters.
SparklDriver
Vegans in here trying to down vote people.
Tortfeas0r
I’m just surprised they have the energy to do so
SparklDriver
kr662
Also need to cook them first. Don't want salmonella or something.
kog29023
Or pigmanilla.
DoorCellar
Also those looked like cockerels.
RandAIFlagg
mmmmmm salmon
EasyAsAB
Whole baby cow. Too small for one meal.
yessums
Veal brains taste incredible. Not kidding.
EasyAsAB
I feel like you aren't getting the central point to my comment.
Digitalblade
You've never had veal? Personally not a fan of the flavor but some love it
chillFlamingo
Best meat for Schnitzel!
ThelmaTidwell
I eat meat, but if you’ve seen how calves are treated to make veal, and seen their mama’s cry b/c they miss them, you’ll never eat it again.
EasyAsAB
Whole baby cow. Whole. The whole thing. One meal.
theDogter
Yeah not quite enough.
Coolbacca
I prefer 2% baby cow, it's healthier
MasterRaziel
Frizoggy
They're gonna be delicious when they grow up.
derock789
I mean the fish won't. I doubt it'll grow More than an inch or two before something else eats it.
ItsActuallyDavidNow
Don’t forget, PETA steals dogs/pets and euthanizes them.
SweatshirtJones
Ok I believe you, bu ti"m confused as to why they do this? Aren't they supposed to advocates for animal rights or whatever?
nwall123
Because they think domestication is animal abuse and by euthanizing them they’re saving them from horrible lives
Dagordae
Because they view the concept of pets as evil slavery and would rather have them all dead than in captivity. Clearly not people who enjoy
Dagordae
The company of animals, just the vague notion that they exist somewhere.
genitalfungus
I wish there was a way of saying "I don't think any life has inherent objective value" without sounding like an edgy cunt
Vevrain
"All life has equal inherent value." With a knowing wink?
johnwohl
Tried explaining why I think it's fine to save your dog in a fire rather than a complete stranger. OP argued human life is more valuable.
DarkCrawler901
I don't think the life of a single insect has much objective value...or a single microbe...or a single e coli bacteria...
Dagordae
So what makes them different than anything else? Size? What, objectively, gives anything value?
CertifiedAgreer
Nothing. It's all sentimentality
genitalfungus
Nothing, because objective value doesn't exist. Value can only exist subjectively.
gillotte
Yes every life has worth but if it wasn't for us being carnivores the chicken, cow, and pig wouldn't be alive. As their numbers would betiny
Chainhealer
Not sure if that's a good argument. Some might say it would have saved a lot of suffering. I would say we'd miss out on tasty meat.
OdinYggd
When its done right the meat animal enjoys a short but comfortable life. Were it not for that they would be killed at birth, or not born.
ReturnOfFreudberg
lol what bullshit.
K3lladoor
Carnivores? Perhaps you mean omnivores, at the most...
mixz0r
Your penis betiny
legalisegaymarijuana
I'd rather never have been born than go through what animals on factory farms have to go through. Those places are like hell on Earth.
RadicalMooseLambs
That’s why the goal should be humane animal treatment and reduce meat consumption for environmental reasons.
legalisegaymarijuana
People always say this, and then they go eat beef at a restaurant or fast food place. Practice what you preach.
HandsomeSwede
The irony is strong in using their continued existence as an argument to end their lives? Our meat consumption is BAD for the environment.
OdinYggd
People are bad for the environment. Want to save the planet? Reduce how many people live on it. Elon Musk is trying to save us all.
HandsomeSwede
Yes, but we can't very well suggest killing people off. What we CAN do is minimize our environmental footprint to the best of our ability.
HandsomeSwede
Overpopulation isn't really a problem, resource distribution is. The more well off a country becomes, the less babies it produces.
OdinYggd
Or, export people to another planet and begin the cycle anew. This brings economic prosperity as well as reduced impacts.
CardboardStomach
So is agriculture for the most part, so that's hardly a good argument.
HandsomeSwede
Well, you have to eat something, and agriculture is by FAR the better option in terms of environmental sustainability. A kilo of beef costs
HandsomeSwede
15.000 litres of water. A kilo of cabbage costs 200 litres. Now, obviously I'm not saying humanity will survive on cabbage, but it shows how
HandsomeSwede
disastrous meat production is by comparison.
Jovelana
That's why we should take care of our livestock with pride and dignity, treat them well and be grateful for them. Healthy and happy animal
shiftingillusion
Are also delicious animals. No one likes the taste of sadness.
Jovelana
Are also productive animals. Cows milk better when happy, low stress means good quality meat etc. Eating meat doesn't mean we don't care
HandsomeSwede
The problem is that our meat consumption is too high for it to be sustainable for the environment. It's killing rainforests quickly.
JelousConjurer
This is correct! But it wouldnt surprise me if peta didnt give a shit.
HandsomeSwede
Maybe not. I think it’s sad how PETA has become some kind of symbol for veganism/vegetarianism.
Jovelana
True and also feeding our livestock soy and corn which would be a good food source for people. Excess use of hormones and antibiotics
Jovelana
To speed up growth and culling disease in large cattle. Paying the farmers better for their work and changing our own attitudes about meat
MissAizea
There are wild chicken, bovine and pigs that are thriving
RadicalMooseLambs
Yes but most of the ones alive are bred for food, so veganism argues for their non existence, not their salvation.
JupitersWitch
Lack of empathy, concern for emotional well being, over consumption, waste, environmental impact. There are other reasons.
RadicalMooseLambs
3 of the 5 things you mentioned are environmental, and sustainable/humane practices can cover the other 2.
JupitersWitch
True but the USDA continues to lose funding so we can't enforce humane practices and monitoring antibiotic use.
BulletproofMannequin
My question is, does it bother them when animals eat other animals or just the human animal?
AlexCushen
I mean that is a complicated question that you can never expect to be answered in a considered and nuanced fashion here
MissAizea
I think a few people were quite successful
Favri
My question is, why don't we let these people go and argue their point with lions and crocodiles and such.
Favri
So they die.
NotGayBottomAnyway
Everybody knows this was made and is not a actual thing.....right?
Thaskippy
Well yes and no. I think most people understand that carnivores are part of nature, yet most people are simultaneously disturbed by seeing
Thaskippy
A baboon eat a gazelle while starting at the balls and eating his way up while the gazelle is still alive
Ultratoxic
No one is holding signs in the Serengeti trying to convince lions not to eat gazelles
Millbson
I think the issue is more with the farming/breeding/cruelty etc. I'm not a vegan btw, but I don't think it's a stupid position to hold.
MacClay
I remember a proposal by one guy to gradually render all carnivores extinct, but I'm not convinced it wasn't satire.
ssaberhagen
maribl
I suppose they say that we should know better. Actually we over eat meat for health. That said, I prefer my meat from well treated animals.
ISayFuckAllTheTime
None of it bothers them at all, as long as that fucking cash keeps rolling in
honestguynrtwo
IMO people can eat whatever they want all day long. I do have a problem with animals being mistreated before slaughter. Even in the most
evilcarp
Happy animals taste much better.
honestguynrtwo
Seemingly "nice" places for animals before slaughter shit happens where they are horribly mistreated. Also I have a big problem where in
honestguynrtwo
Some parts of Asia dogs "taste better if beaten first". I've seen a dog take a blowtorch to the eyes and mouth.
honestguynrtwo
I mean like; just chop the dogs neck off. Or bolt it. Do something so that the dog dies quickly...
MichaelDello
Utilitarian vegan here. That depends. Some will say no, but I think all suffering is bad. Now I don’t hold a lion morally responsible for...
MichaelDello
...causing a gazelle to suffer, but just like it would be bad for a human to suffer from natural causes eg a parasite, it should always be..
MichaelDello
...wrong. Having said that, the solution to wild-animal suffering is tricky. Look up Brian Tomasik’s writing if you want to know more.
HandsomeSwede
Them? Who?
StannisBaratheonEnglishGrammarian
There are groups out there who want to prevent all suffering, so they're trying to create cloned meat to feed to wild animals. It's Nonsense
salokindoc
Just the human animal. We are sentient and can choose to not eat other animals. The vast majority of animals do not have this ability
gatnelo
We can all do our best to relieve suffering and harm to living beings and the planet. Veganizing carnivores would probably do the opposite
Showmeyourotters
Depends on the level of gung-ho but a lot of them dislike both. Others are actually educated and understand how real life works.
jerner15
Animals that eat other animals don't raise animals in horrendous living conditions just for slaughtering them by the millions
Lagerfunk
Animals that eat other animals don't try to make the swiftest/painless kill either, quite the damn contrary...
blurgh
But they dont spend their entire lives pressed against iron and concrete unable to move or interact with other animals.
macthelost
You better believe they would if they fucking could.
FuckMeThenYou
Wild dogs eats their pray alive starting from the hind legs...
herndongage4
They would if they could.
mitch0665
There is dolphins that herd fish into coves. I don’t agree with factory farming but farming prevents over harvesting wild animals.
PhysicsPhren
There is a third option. You just don't bother eating animals in the first place.
MASSIVESPACEMONKEY
Suicide is also an option. Just because an option is available doesn't necessarily make it a good, valid or suitable one.
LarvaLamp
The MASSIVE SPACE MONKEY is right!
sebreens
Emmmmm, have you looked into how farming has affected wildlife? A lot if not even most of the deforedtation is due to animal agriculture
mitch0665
The vast clearing of land is due to crop farming most animal farming is done on what is considered scrub land no good for crops
jerner15
Also the environmental shit that comes along with raising massive livestock is crazy.
jerner15
I'm not one to talk since I eat meat but saying other animals eat meat so we're the same is a false equivalency to what we do as a species
jerner15
Especially the fact that a lot of carnivores have to eat meat and we are omnivores and can live healthy and better with a plant based diet.
jerner15
Just that meat tastes so freakin good. Sorry for the long string of replies
frogjammies
Minus the vitamin b12, calcium, iron, and zinc of course.
mitch0665
This is not true most vegans and vegetarians convert back for health reasons over 50% because of illness and the body won’t heal properly.
user843
other animals dont cage their food for their whole life just for their eating
crookednixon
So they'd be fine with we let the cattle roam in big area then ate it? I don't think that's right...
Cybrwzrd
Oh, they would if they could. Mama Lioness would much rather not have to chase down dinner every day for her deadbeat Lion husband.
legalisegaymarijuana
1/2 So this is called the "appeal to nature fallacy." When humans use what happens in nature as an argument for morality, eg; lions eat
MASSIVESPACEMONKEY
Wouldn't that be closer to a naturalistic fallacy? Also, weren't they just asking a question and not making an argument?
legalisegaymarijuana
Yeah. And I answered the question.
legalisegaymarijuana
4/5 to protect their bloodline, so is infanticide okay? The answer is that what happens in nature is not moral or immoral, it is ammoral.
legalisegaymarijuana
3/5 morality? Snakes eat snakes, so is cannibalism ok? Make ducks force female ducks to have painful sex, so is rape ok? Lions kill cubs
legalisegaymarijuana
2/5 gazels, ergo humans can eat pigs. On the surface this makes sense, but you have to ask yourself, is nature always a basis for human
legalisegaymarijuana
5/5 that's why it's fallacious logic to use animals killing each other as a justification for us killing animals.
legalisegaymarijuana
PS yes I am vegan, no I do not support Peta, they are idiots.
catsnroombas
I've never taken it as a morality argument, just as a reminder that we shouldn't consider ourselves above/outside the animal kingdom
alsoAzrael
Ironically their position depends on seeing humans as elevated above other animals and thus worthy of higher standards.
Lagerfunk
But then meat is murder and rape, as bad as murder and rape on humans. Aight
JHawke
That is not ironic, we are also expected not to fight eachother for example. But you know.. I just love meat too much.
alsoAzrael
It's ironic because they argue that animals are just like us, but that we should behave differently because we're better.
JHawke
They probably see those two as seperate. They are just like us in that they can feel and such (sucks for them right). But being beings of >
JHawke
> higher intelligence we can make smarter choices. Which to them means not killing animals. And to me means killing them effectively.
Theverant
True of most environmentalists. Most people in general, actually. Don't like thinking of us as *just* animals.
alsoAzrael
Uh, wut? Environmentalism is about conserving our environment, it has nothing to do with our status as animals.
mulligylan
It kinda does. The message is that we have a responsibility due to our mental capacity right?
Dagordae
Not really. More like we are fucking everything, including us, over and have the capability to not do that. So let’s not cause ourselves
blurgh
Its more like we can choose not to hurt animals. When you eat meat you choose to hurt and kill animals for fun which very few animals do.
alsoAzrael
*food. Not fun, food. I have no part in killing the animal so I cannot be accused of enjoying the process of hurting and killing it.
blurgh
The only reason to eat meat is for pleasure. I consider pleasure and fun the same thing.
alsoAzrael
You claimed I hurt and killed them for pleasure, which is false since I did not hurt and kill them. I eat them for food and not *just* fun.
evilcarp
I love the hunt. I sneak into the meat department and snatch that steak before it can run.
imdonewithpickingusernames
The PETA diet works! My cow is no longer a carnivore.
IonlyUpvoteTurkeys
Your cow is now longer a live.
Coolbacca
Don't kid yourself Jimmy, if a cow ever got the chance he'd eat you and everyone you cared about!
BritishGingerLefty
I get the joke but some are fed meal which contains animals. Think that’s how we got mad cow disease in the UK?
maliciousGman
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Gonz000
Instructions unclear
LayDeDeadpool
Oh... so this is more common than I thought. I saw a horse eat a chick the same way lol
Treblaine
Aegyaegy
Cow just wanted some protein
jomama64
MrAgnosticman
What the fuck
MissAizea
We can, for the most part, avoid eating meat and thrive, that cannot be said for carnivores
FuckMeThenYou
thanks to modern sciences making b12 supplements available. Carnivores could also survive on vegan diet and plenty of supplements
Snowblind176
Weight lifter here who recently went vegan. I've continued making strength gains and keeping a healthy level of body fat. I'm thriving :)
AsbestosPigeon
Just beware of Soy. I've had too much soy protein to cut down on milk products, and it does genuinely cause temporary gyno
sebreens
Same here, actually feel much better and can train more often. As to food, lentils, beans, nuts, grains ads veg is most of what i eat. Yumm.
Sparru
Your diet before must've been pretty bad. Usually those effects occur because you went from unhealty to healthy, not from omnivore to vegan.
MarthaRayeRaye
I'm not vegan atm, but I've gone off and on, and I do believe I've felt better when I've not eaten meat. Dunno why I don't stay there. Well,
MarthaRayeRaye
I do love meat from time to time, I suppose.
Gavener
that's good to hear my brother was working out looking good, getting bigger than me, went vegan now looks like he is dying
KinkAccount
You're a herbivore though, designed to eat meat and vegetables
SirButcher
And you have to import food ALL over the whole world to gather every nutrient. Not everybody has money / time for it.
Weremalkin
Vegan here, I live on predominately beans, oats, corn, lentils, potatoes, rice and quinoa grown right here in North America.
sunnymangoes
That's not really what they were saying though, only that it's possibly to be healthy and thrive. Totally agree that vegan diet is not 1/2
sunnymangoes
Accessible to many/most, but almost all meat eaters could afford to eat less meat which would benefit their health and the environment
sebreens
Tbf switching to a vegan diet made my groceries cost like 20% less. Meat is really the most expensive food I used to buy.
frogjammies
One doesn't thrive for the most part.
PhysicsPhren
Nearly 400 million people disagree and are doing just fine.
salokindoc
Exactly. Loads of research to show non meat diet is fine.
mulligylan
Not happily
Weremalkin
Well I know I don't miss meat or dairy at all and have never had a craving for either. Plenty of vegan food is delicious.
salokindoc
If your happiness depends on your dinner plate, maybe you need to re-evaluate your priorities ????
Bethem909
Who the fuck are you to dictate what makes me happy?
HandsomeSwede
*citation needed*
frogjammies
frogjammies
It says well, not kinda well ie for the most part.
HandsomeSwede
I know what thrive means. That's not what I asked for.
OtterlyMagnificent
It actually takes a lot of effort to live a completely meat-free diet. Because it requires you to not consume ANY meat byproducts. The 1/
gatnelo
it does take some effort. just skipping eating meat is fine too, already helps a lot : )
OtterlyMagnificent
supplements that people use to cover the nutritional deficiencies often use Gelatin as a binding agent. Gelatin is bone-meal.2/2
Mournclaw
It's actually all animals, IIRC they've tried to promote turning all animals into vegans
Thaskippy
Ofcourse they don't promote that
LizardsInTheSky
Who is "they?"
Twiggeh
PETA
WhatTheHeII
This is some zootopia type shit
RickySpanishhhhh
We should feed those people to tigers.
pontiacgirl75
Nooo, dont feed them to the tigers! it'll make the poor tigers very sick and may end up dying
OtterlyMagnificent
Yeah...Those sorts aren't even fit for dogs...pigs maybe, but pigs'll eat anything at all.
M1S0
Oh ffs it is very clear that they have no idea of how evolution works try to feed a tiger veggies, the tiger will not be able to digest it
anhh67
Except for pit bulls. They want them all dead.
BulletproofMannequin
Why are people that dumb?
Leithoa
Because they don't get eaten by wild animals or choke to death on small objects anymore.
Theverant
It's called a bell curve. We have very smart people as well. Most of us are just in the middle.
aerodynamit3
Ideological echo chamber
AsFarAsIKnow
*gives cookie*
legalisegaymarijuana
I don't really think they have... I mean, I hope no one's that stupid. Maybe it was someone claiming to represent Peta but acting independen
AsFarAsIKnow
peta doesn't believe in domesticated animals, either. it's not stupidity. it's ideology
Marcster01
Continuing off of that, they believe keeping animals is slavery and that the animals are better off dead than living with humans.
GoldenSour2
Some of them try to feed their cat a vegan diet, it uh, doesn't go very well.
PourneliusHubert
I feed my cat a vegan-only diet
WhenIsItNotAGoodTime4Pie
Why, do you hate your cat?
PourneliusHubert
I Don't, I only feed him the finest Vegans
Flashfirestorm13
Clever clever. Almost had me, take your double upvotes and go.
TheMobyh
Took me some time
TouchThaFishyyy
Ah! The hyphen! How droll!
TobascoPanda
You got some downvotes from people missing that sweet play on words.
AmazonEmma
Or just tired by the joke, it loses its fun after a while
IMTHEONEWHOSTOLEALLOFTHECOOKIESFROMTHECOOKIEJAR
Nah, they're the vegans
BulletproofMannequin
....I've no words.
MrNightfish
"We taught a Lion to eat tofu!" - Free Waterfall Junior
blackstone459
Yep, obligate carnivores don't do well on vegan diets. Weird how that works
rhinocerass
This is what people don't get. Humans can survive without meat, cats and lots of other animals can't.
AmazonEmma
They even feed newborn with soy milk and bring them close to death
AsFarAsIKnow
I mean, doesn't PETA straight up believe all domestication is abuse?
anhh67
PETA is such a hypocritical organization. They put more animals to death every year than the average person is responsible for.
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catsnroombas
Cats are obligate carnivores, that means they eat meat and ONLY meat. They get their nutrients from the plants eaten by their prey.
MichaelDello
Not quite true. Cats can be on a vegan diet, you just need to add taurine artificially. Which is easy these days. Having said that...
Kerrika
They still have urine issues. Without meat it's acidic instead of alkaline and struvites form in it even with urine acidification additives
ikilledvestein
Other way around. Cats are meant to have acidic urine.
MichaelDello
...cooking meat makes the taurine inert (or something) so they literally add taurine to non-vegan cat food too.
hepokudust
That would make it non-vegan wouldn't it though? Taurine only exists in animal protein
Kerrika
china+japan produce synthetic taurine
legalisegaymarijuana
Yeah they can't ingest taurine from non meat sources & get taurine deficiencies & die. Dogs can though. There was a 24 y/o vegan dog
Tyr13
Mind you... its still tough, and not recommended.
legalisegaymarijuana
Not recommended by who? There's commercial vegan dog food online which has every vitamin they need so u don't even have to worry bout it
Tyr13
Well, Id not recommend it. :P Not saying you cant do it ofc, but it takes a lot more work than giving them proper food. Not for beginners.