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murderonamonkey
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noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
Even IF statistics would show a higher % of trans people committing acts of violence (which I highly doubt) there are a lot of other things to take into consideration. Like how trans people are currently being treated differently in their day-to-day lives and being exvluded from parts of society. Which would make a much more logical explanation for inciting violence than "being trans". Pointing the finger at gender or race to explain behavior ignores institutional discrimination
hsalonen3000
So you are saying, there are multiple transgender mass shooters? Got it, will just remove the irrelevant statistic about other mass shooters. /s
Roqinn
Wonder how many of those mass shooters were republican?
QuartzPoker
0.1% of the total shooters were trans, which is about 1/10th of the percentage of the overall population that is transgender. Trans people are not the issue here, and may actually be less violent as a demographic.
dragonsdemesne
So like 1/1000 people are transgender? Probably about right statistically.
RunToTheMoon
Since about 1% are trans, statistically there should be about 41 transgender shooters. I would be curious to know if the 4 were Republican
slightlybrokenegg
It’s actually closer to 5%.
Emjayen
Which should be no surprise; ideologically-motivated murders are nigh-exclusively committed by chuds, consistently world-wide.
It's almost like straight-white-conservative males are the real problem with society.
Syovere
What we oughta be banning is straight white dudes /s
idiotsonfire
They're nazis, and trans people are their Jews. They want us all dead and erased.
tymonaSmasher
Is 4193 the real number in under 7y?
Equinox13
According to this, some lists count 3+ people shot, including non-fatal shootings, as a mass shooting, so it's possible but probably isn't what you were picturing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#Definitions
Owl2017
Not unless they are counting gang violence
WoodORama
Are you claiming that when a bunch of people get killed at the hands of a mass shooter, it shouldn't matter if it's allegedly gang violence? I mean, the people who got killed aren't any less dead...
NasteeMastee
Goddammit. Give us the source or this is nothing but bullshit propaganda.
dmcnama5
I always bring to their attention how generalising is never good. For instance, not all priests/pastors/republicans are pedophiles although many are. So when very little trans people have done mass shootings, generalising with them is even more of a stretch.
Sebastopol140
They don't care about the truth.
ManholeStellarReconveneSubstanceOlympicsReunion
They've spent their whole lives dedicating themselves to lies.
malbec
Can’t logic someone out of an position they didn’t logic themselves into
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
Or facts they don't like.
iConfirmAnythingAndEverything
Or freedom for all
MuffinProof
Animorphs
They really don’t I’ve seen it all over them talking nonstop about how prevalent trans shooters are.
EverNotRelevant
Yeah, but conservatives only care about minorities.
DukeDarkwood
If they'd stop gerrymandering, they'd learn they ARE the minority.
GarmBlack
Yeah since when have numbers, facts, etc mattered to the death cult of "our opinions are the only thing that matter."
captapathy
Now do child molesters! How many trans vs good Christian republicans!
houghten
Trick question! One cannot be a Republican and also good.
captapathy
I admit, i should have used quotes around ‘good’.
captapathy
Not sure why i’m downvoted….I’m positive the child molesting Republicans will outnumber trans offenders by thousands…
WoodORama
I agree with you but the vast scope is difficult to quantify. When mass shootings happen they are immediately reported. I can't even begin to fathom how many child molestation cases have not, and will not ever be reported.
DoctorCaptainProfessorAmazing
Then you can only use the metrics for the ones that are. No sense trying to account for a variable you cant quantify.
captapathy
Maybe hundreds of thousands…
drduffer
@OP should know by now that the “Truth”is completely irrelevant to Conservatives everywhere.
In general, the Rule is that if a Conservative is posting or their lips are moving, they’re lying.
Happily, this saves the rest of us considerable fact checking time.
Attempting to sway them with facts is a fool’s errand, as despite seeing the truth in all its glory, they’ll continue to parrot Cheeto’s and his Minions’ lies because they’re in a cult and are brainwashed.
murderonamonkey
I know the truth is completely irrevelant to fascist pigs, AKA MAGAs. But the rest of us need to remember the truth, and honor it and repeat it endlessly so one day.. maybe just one day, it is written down somewhere still.
murderonamonkey
I do know that. But the rest of us 'sane' people need to be the historians right now. Because they won't be.
Filanwizard
Going after the trans angle is just the right’s means of avoiding the gun issue yet again.
DukeDarkwood
Mass shooters since 2018 who had guns: 4,197.
sh17picker69000420
Are you suggesting they are less likely to be shooters because they are involved in a project where they are working toward a goal?
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Mass shootings in Italy with no gun culture, no gun sentences on constitution and an hard procedure to have just a restricted use of guns since 2018:
FUCKING ZERO!!!!
America: you have a disastrous problem and you will not end this until you change all of those problems above. (Culture, constitution and laws I mean).
ArkoneAxon
There's a LOT of crime in Italy. Just that relatively little of it is violent. Their crime is... organized, hint hint.
(yes, the Mafia still exists. They're just more quiet and discrete these days)
TNSCLuotaMEa4fVN
And I'm sure the trans kids were striking out at the endless harassment.
Columbus43219
This is like that old College Humor skit with Google as a guy. The woman asks "vaccines cause cancer" and he says I have 50,000 results that say they don't and 1 that says they do. She grabs the one and says "I KNEW it!"
Eiladar
Problem is that the people who most need to see this are _really_ bad at math.
karlfrack
The truth? Important? Yes. The truth relevant to trumptard nation? Not even a little.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Interesting stat. That's about 1 percent of all shootings. Roughly in line with the percent of people who identify as trans.
Clockworkdancerobot
Given the hell those people are put through, I am amazed it's that low. Trying to claim there is something inherent to a people because of how they react to being systematically harmed and sometimes killed? Kinda fashy. Sounds a lot like the old 13/50 bigotry used against black people. Just rehashed for a new minority.
NikkiHuskyMum87
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I'm actually shocked there aren't more black mass shooters. Or more women ones, or more gay ones. Fighting back against an oppressive system, or just mere frustration with it. Straight white males seem like they should be the least likely.
lujotu
People who think they are losing power are often way more dangerous than people who don't have power
shadowwolf0357
It's as though oppression, threats, and violence don't turn people into monsters, culture, religion, ideology, and yes, mental health, make monsters. It's why purposeful violence against innocents can never be justified, ever. Time and again throughout history we have seen this, the Allied troops in Berlin didn't rape and pillage, many Soviets did. Post apartheid South Africa didn't have a war, we have problems, yes, but nothing anywhere near KKK/Zimbabwe style crap, good is good, bad is bad.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
I remember a very powerful line from a speech by a protestor at one of the BLM marches: “America is lucky that what black people are looking for in this country is justice and not revenge.”
FetteredJuvenescence
Part of it is community, and awareness of consequence. Minority members tend to be aware that anything they do can and will be used against their entire community. That's a restraining force.
YummyBubb1es
So here's the thing: when you grow up in that environment, you adjust as best you can. Doesn't make it right AT ALL that it exists, but you adapt to survive. It doesn't often lead to a line of thinking where mass shootings will feel like they'll do anything.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Wow, a lot of thoughtful responses here. Thank you all for your insight!
Rulesy
Now I want to know a) what this is in relation to and b) what happened in 2017
IceWeaselX
The statement only said since 2018 because that is the first documented instance of a transgender mass shooter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen,_Maryland_shooting
Imustntrunaway
There was a shooting that just happened less than a week ago, and the perpetrator was ostensibly either trans or a detransitioner, they'd basically gone down the rabbit hole of 4chan and those odd shooter-worshiping groups and of course all people on the right are screaming about is 'trans shooter trans shooter' when the lines are very blured and it's a whole lot more complicated than that.
Clockworkdancerobot
I'd argue there are as many 4chan shooters as there might be Trans shooters, maybe more. If people want to find a reason look more at 4chan.
CrisprCAS
There is a trend. The trend is for trans people to be statistically LESS likely to be mass shooters. And for conservatives to be stupid.
NorwegianJim
If approximately 0.1% or more of the population is transgender, correct.
Kdvdp
That'd imply there isn't a lot of difference in how likely they be school shooters.
Then again, number of school shootings since 2018 in countries with gun laws: 0
NorwegianJim
At the lower end of the scale, yeah. I was just trying to remind people that the posted numbers cannot be used to draw that conclusion without additional context.
Kdvdp
Yea, I was commenting for the same reason I believe. Especially given the frequency of media using graphs/stats that provide way too little data to come to the conclusions, I think it's important to keep in mind.
But we on the same page I think
QuartzPoker
The percent of the overall population estimated to be trans is 1.3% based on self-reporting in a Gallup poll. https://news.gallup.com/poll/656708/lgbtq-identification-rises.aspx
Uselesstoy
Whelp I've been hearing .5% for years... Gotta redo all my math arguments damn.
NorwegianJim
Nice
Hevach
And also to add, the 4 number is the most unskeptical one. Of those four one was only reported by certain news outlets and confirmed, and a second allegedly came out after the shooting and stopped transitioning after sentencing. Hence the contradictions in sources listing 2, 3 or 4.
skiffster
And the last shooter detransitioned back to cis
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
It's insane there are that mindbogglingly many mass shootings :-/
powwerbottom
I mean there are a lot tho
murderonamonkey
right?
Equinox13
From what I gather based on Wikipedia's list of definitions it used to compile a list (here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#Definitions ), the minimum definition from those is 3+ people shot (regardless of whether they died or not), so it probably isn't quite what people are picturing. Still bad, of course.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
I knew that definition before my comment.
It is bad!
Equinox13
I didn't, so I figured I'd share! I was picturing a larger scale and wasn't thinking it included things like gang violence, domestic violence, and nonfatal shootings.
Owl2017
Mmmmm depends on how they are defining mass shootings here, a lot of it is just gang violence
ThatGuyInTheMountains
That is false and a fucking dog whistle. Just idiotic at the core of it honestly. Hope you have a bad day.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
That is also bad...
Equinox13
Yes, but it's not what people usually picture when they think of mass shootings.
Dracon27
Mass shootings in the US are ones with at least 4 victims that were shot iirc.
Kdvdp
Wait so what ford did to his employees counts as mass shootings? I just thought it was typical capitalism...
Owl2017
Yeah that happens with drive by shootings and just gang violence a lot. But yeah mass shootings and gun violence are a major problem.
TheMershedPerderder
Hate to be that guy, but...source?
PcJunky
Be that guy and don't hate it. This is bullshit
Chilichunks
Hate to be that guy, but...source?
LerryV2
Never feel bad about being that guy. Always ask for the source
Leithoa
Walter Masterson, it's in the post.
ThailandExpress
a guy who doesn't believe everything without proof is not despicable
JodyBird
I'm still not going to google it for him
neospor1n
A guy who adopts 3 girls and has a buttload of minions, that guy is also Despicable
MuffinProof
BurningVeryImportantThings
GorillaFLicks
**Sources:**
- Newsweek: mass-shootings-transgender-perpetrators">ps://www.newsweek.com/mass-shootings-transgender-perpetrators-1790854">https://
- Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/f">ass-shootings-transgender-perpetrators-1790854
- Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transgender-mass-shootings/www.newsweek.com/mass-shootings-transgender-perpetrators-1790854
- Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transgender-mass-shootings/>- Lead Stories: https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2025/08/fact-check-fake-viral-chart-misrepresents-data-about-transgender-people-involved-in-mass-shootings.html
- Gun Violence Archive: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
- Statista: https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/
GorillaFLicks
- National Institute of Justice: https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings
GorillaFLicks
CIS men account for over 99% of the mass shootings in the USA.
iggylights
And white and politically right leaning. Facts are facts
Pulsifer
Probably Gun Violence Archive. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org Their numbers since 2018, excluding 2025, gets close to 4000. Note that they define a mass shootings as "4 people shot or killed, excluding the shooter, in one outburst of violence". This is a very loose, statistical definition. They don't appear to track sexual or gender identity, so I imagine the trans part is tracked separately by known instances of transexual mass shooters and presuming everyone not identified as such isn't.,
hullabanana
Why pick 2018? Seems oddly specific
hullabanana
I mean OP, not just you
AttorneyAtLager
Because you have to pick a year and it's always going to be arbitrary. I'm pretty sure there weren't several hundred shooters that were transgender in 2017 they're trying to exclude.
Callipygius
Because there were like 30 trans mass shooters in 2017 /s