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Mar 24, 2019 1:07 PM
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lordgavcon7
Are we going to talk about the Epic Games launcher on computer mining all your data and is owned by a Chinese company? Anyone?
DawnBatKMT
https://twitter.com/VtM_Bloodlines/status/1109879538635415554
evmike
The best news to come out of all this halabaloo is that CDPR came out & basically said they aren't interested in exclusivity for Cyberpunk.
atkinsongl
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Lastxittoforever
Exclusives do literally the exact opposite of creating competition, it forces competition out. Choice of platform however breeds competition
Svartlebee
2/ you cannot buy these games elsewhere. That's monopolising.
Svartlebee
No, it really doesn't. It's arbitrary bullshit and extra arbitrary on pc. Epic doesn't have competition because they are literally making it
OutrageousHemmorhoid
Wow, I had no idea!? Is it a WoD game? Related to Troika’s amazing VtM?? Please tell me! Thanks
OutrageousHemmorhoid
...I have spent $200 on PC games this week, but this could be tempting
Hayashima
Yup, a "true successor" as the devs called it: https://youtu.be/g8qsxNt3f0Y
myrtheus
It's still for sale on steam. $60 is a high price though.
BigRai
Wait. How is it an exclusive then? I don't understand
HolyShitpicklesItsTuesday
It's hard because I absolutely love this saga, but I've learned so I'm waiting until after it's realeased to buy it. Also fuck Epic Games.
williamfny
I'm with you for now. Don't get me wrong, I still love playing the original. Need to see gameplay
Daishudo
How is $60 a high price? It's the same as any nee game out there with a big budget.
myrtheus
Most games I buy on release are 40 or less.
myrtheus
I just think that a weeks worth of groceries is too high for one game
Sinornim
I'm more worried the dev team's wokeness will ruin the game.
atkinsongl
Elaborate
Sinornim
Members of the team a very sensitive to social justice issues, in paperback they made a homosexual muslim vampire that protects minorities.
atkinsongl
Wut? Ha
thegodparticle163000
Lemme guess, you're also one of the people who don't like Marvel's young Muslim Captain Marvel?
AnonymousNPC10
In a game about being monsters they satirize people with different points of views as moronic versions of themselves to emulate the 1/2
AnonymousNPC10
the villains, similar to how Christian schools teach evolution. It robs the villains of their good writing for a cheap 'got em' moment. 2/2
AnonymousNPC10
Basically they sacrifice the medium to pander to certain groups of people.
ScienceLasers
Honestly I don't get why people bitch. It you're getting a cheaper price, then go there. You can still ad it to your steam.
datlurkerdude
You can?
ScienceLasers
Yeah, literally any game can be launched through steam's launcher if you add it to your library.
Svartlebee
Oh, you mean by giving Epic access to my Steam, which I do not want.
ScienceLasers
No. By letting steam access the file on your PC through steam.
datlurkerdude
Not the same you don't get all the steam features as if you bought it independent or through steam
OutrageousHemmorhoid
A) PC gamers don’t want console exclusivity on PC. Price isn’t a concern. B) People are concerned Epic is a Chinese spy agency.
OutrageousHemmorhoid
C) some people may think Fortnite is cancer and want no part of it (or a forced DL / install)
ScienceLasers
Valve has a monopoly right now. You guys already put up with uplay and origin. The epic store isn't a big deal I don't think.
Lastxittoforever
Steam is far from a monopoly - gog, nitro, g2a, and now epic. Competition is good for the industry, but exclusives are bad for consumers.
OutrageousHemmorhoid
I don’t think it’s a monopoly, there are other online stores, even retail stores selling some of the same games. Exclusives are the problem.
ScienceLasers
No one complains about u play or origin though? Who cares? Xbox has exclusives. Sony has exclusives. It helps sell games, and lowers prices.
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Lastxittoforever
We like that they are giving more money to devs, but we are disgusted they are bringing the exclusive war to PC - which is anti-consumer.
Svartlebee
2/ and you don't beat a monopoly by becoming a monopoly. If Epic was so certain their model is better then why exclusives? Why create an
Svartlebee
Steam isn't a monopoly. Not to mention Uplay, Origin, GOG, Humble Store, Discord Store who are all better and offer more features than Epic.
Sxualhrssmntpanda
Uplay is pretty fucking horrible though. And none of em can really compete with steam yet.
Svartlebee
3/ actual monopoly where you only have to go to Epic? I don't have to go to Steam, Epic is forcing people to go there.
DarthSeduction
Pretty much this, the exclusives thing would, ideally for epic, be about creating a monopsony, which is an environment where they are the
DarthSeduction
Only buyer, as opposed to the only seller, as in a monopoly. Becoming the only buyer, however, does give them the power to muscle out their
DarthSeduction
Competition and thus become a monopoly. The best example of this is Amazon.
Dildosaurus
And also sells your personal info to tencent in china
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krisiteenie56
Except there is a shit ton of it.....
evmike
Except ESL has been makin encrypted copies of steam files without user concent. http://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ110665.html
connor1504
I dont think thats the right link...
GhosTeBaron
Epic has stated that they wont make The same mistake again as with metro, even tho idrc, i think if its better for devs, go for it.
Mack1986
The mistake they were referring to was getting a game pulled that already allowed pre orders on a different storefront
51rebaS
They said that right after they announced Heavy Rain and other Press X To SHAUN games from Quantic Dream will be exclusive to Epic.
OutrageousHemmorhoid
...i...I have to... “Shaun? Shaun...? Shaauuun?! SHAUN!...”
Aslatra
I mean, they've already made the same mistake again. With Pheonix Point and the need Monolith thing, right?
GhosTeBaron
Idk never heard those titles, i only Read some article about "not gonna make the same mistake as with metro" but i dont doubt you.
Aslatra
A kickstarter game that promised steam and GoG codes and the new 'totally not fallout new vegas' by the same developer that advertised steam
BichesLoveMy120mmSabotPracticeRound
Two games i was seriously ready to put money on, now i'm gonna pirate Phoenix Point and wait for Outer Worlds.
Lastxittoforever
Right? I was gonna buy both, even if on epic, but I refuse to buy 3rd party exclusives. I consider it totally unethical.
heyletsbefriends
its worse for the consumer and as a consumer, youre not supposed to support anti-consumer practices. youre shooting yourself in the foot.
GhosTeBaron
How is it worse? Using another platform? Like im not used to that with origin, uplay etc.
Lastxittoforever
You are losing the choice of your preferred platform, which in essence makes it anti-consumer. 1st party exclusives are fine, 3rd is a nono
DarthSeduction
Origin and uplay are direct sellers. Epic is a 3rd party. There's a big difference there.
heyletsbefriends
its inconvenient; i dont want to be forced to a certain platform, i want to choose; every app you have to run has a resource cost; extra drm
heyletsbefriends
we have people making launchers to manage all the launchers now for fucks sake.
GhosTeBaron
Its like 2 clicks away to play a game, i understand your point, its just, for me, i cant see how much of an inconvenient it is.
GhosTeBaron
But i respect your feelings for it.