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abrazenfool
Fuck also, Stone Mountain
Djones06236
I have no idea why non-whites would be upset with America. It's not like we stole black people and slaughtered Natives.
kaarbaakimgr
Sorry you lost the war
ALLCAPSROCK
Honestly I wouldn't have wasted the gas driving out there...
trinxter
Remember that this story can be repeated everywhere across the country, from Plymouth rock west, the Virgin Islands north, etc. Not to mention so much built with slave labor after natives were driven out, killed off, etc. Happy 4th!
sadbitterkitten
One of the better Mt. Rushmore pics I've seen
imakesoap
I’d never been in that part of the country in my 60+ years and happily drove right past the exit to visit a few years ago.
TheOneThatGotBanned
TheDaharMaster
They should dynamite that whole shit
Bmxrider70763
We should give the land back.
Thegreenestthumb9
What I want to know is, what happens if we do give it back? I'm not against that by any means, I'm just curious what that would look like. I imagine a complete overhaul of the government would happen.
opermech
May I contribute in a small way
DontEven1586
So, whats wrong with you? Go to crazy horse down the road, which they rejected government funding for many times. Instead of paying here, made a difference in that.
LadyAyami
I want to vist every national park.. but this one
ArgentXero
Ranked #15 on the human freedom index. 🇺🇸
Merky600
There is a whole historical genre of F"ing up the land and life in America for giggles. https://www.amusingplanet.com/2016/06/the-drive-through-trees-of-california.html
NightOwlRally
Basically, yep.
GodEmperorOfImgur
According to a Trump politician. Mount Rushmore is located upon a leyline directly to Washington DC, and it is a demonic portal that leads to... Communism! I am not making this up. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4072115-south-dakota-lawmaker-calls-mount-rushmore-demonic-portal-for-communism/
ricpaul
Mockingbirb
Burke616
Six Grandfathers
ricpaul
TIL its real name.
Hexxxxxxxxx
I hope to see crazy horse monument someday.
lJTl
I doubt that will be finished in our lifetime. I went to a night blast out there that they made into a big show though.
Hexxxxxxxxx
Nice
TalanRhodes
Fair.
smegheadenergy
Anyone else remember when people wanted that clueless fucking clown Reagan carved there too? https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/ronald-reagan-centennial-presidents-likeness-live/story?id=12853508
leroy666
Still do; along with the shitstain.
DatDarthCaedus
I remember when Trump repeatedly expressed how he should/wanted to be added to it, retweeted supporters who suggested it, etc; https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/10/politics/donald-trump-mt-rushmore-kristi-noem/index.html hdex.html">https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/10/politics/donald-trump-mt-rushmore-kristi-noem/i">ttps://w">dex.html">https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/10/politics/donald-trump-mt-rushmore-kristi-noem/index.html https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3180709/donald-trump-reposts-edited-image-his-likeness https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/yes-trump-actually-did-want-to-be-added-to-mount-rushmore.html
rshini
South Dakota's Governor agreed that it should be a possibility, bitch you may be governor, but you don't own the mountain.
MadamYouAreLurking
Y'all should find the treasure hidden there
mrsdowneyjr
I'm a fan of the founding fathers but carving that mountain was a total dick move
Sarcastus
I agree.
Wiesel2000
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leroy666
Fuck, are you stupid.
HuskyPirate
marsgoose
I'm an immigrant and feel like Mt. Rushmore was retconned into American ideology, just like the pledge of allegiance and many other things. Worshiping the state is not patriotism.
aristera
All America does is worship. Want to get an American hard? Plaster American flags fucking everywhere. Get a USA chant going. What are they excited about? Who the fuck knows but it's red white and blue.
ToSisPoS
But it is a handy walkway to fascism.
marsgoose
Americans sure did welcome many aspects of communism while thinking they are anti-communist. And don't get me wrong, overall US is absolutely amazing place to live, I'd just like to keep the good and improve the bad.
ToSisPoS
They try this in Canada periodically too, worshipping icons in the name of nostalgia for a thing we never were outside of Tim Horton commercials.
spookyactionatadistance
So many Americans and Canadians outright dismiss First Nations. The things I have read on YT comments. Like an actual video about the last artisan who does lacrosse sticks and the comments are all "that's what happens when you lose a war", "stop whining and improve your life", "we didn't steal the land we won it and it's the way it works", "you are a conquered people and should be grateful you weren't eliminated". It's insane.
ALLCAPSROCK
I speak as a Canadian with First Nation and European ancestry. The whole thing is a fucking travesty!
ToSisPoS
Yep. Asshole who drives their twucks in a circle demanding the right to be as openly racist as Grandpa was.
SandwichRGood
Going deep into youtube comments is a cesspit. If only corporations had any good moderation that’s not for protecting other corporations
spookyactionatadistance
It wasn't even deep.
ItSeemsYouHaveSufferedaTerribleFate
No real big surprise. The internet gives voice to some of the most miserable, insipid creatures our species has to offer. They spit inflammatory remarks because they know it offends people and no one can do anything about it. They are cowards and lower functioning.
spookyactionatadistance
If the comments were just to be edgy and inflammatory I'd be relieved. What truly saddened me is that it might be people who believe it in their hearts
ItSeemsYouHaveSufferedaTerribleFate
From what I understand they are usually the same people. The bottom line is they lack empathy and revel in causing offense whether they believe what they say or not. Also many are probably shitty kids that want attention - even if it is negative.
spookyactionatadistance
Some of the comments read like they were written by kids. I had thought of that.
SunkenFruit
Yes and no. It's only insane when you project modern values backwards in time without taking into account the context in which the world worked then. Conquest was also was not unique by any means to North America. That's not to say we shouldn't learn from history and do better, but looking backwards through a modern perspective of values, morals, and our modern world view, is a mistake that skews our understanding of history.
spookyactionatadistance
The comments i quoted weren't written "in another time'. The oppression of the First Nations is ongoing. I'm so over that argument of "conquest wasn't unique to North America" as if it makes it ok. Marrying children wasn't unique to christians but we sure as fuck condem it now.
SunkenFruit
Reread my post and tell me where I said it's ok.
Churchofthesubgenius
This revisions discussion ignores that it was heavily debated in its time as well, Ben Franklin founded the slavery abolitionist society before we were even a nation. People knew it was wrong in its time so it’s not some modern projection backwards. This is the same method used by the right to proclaim that this is a Christian nation complete ignoring the debate of its time
SunkenFruit
It doesn't ignore it, and yes, it is a modern projection backwards which distorts history. It also makes modern people feel superior. No surprise it's popular here where people bend over backwards to try and showcase their self-righteousness. https://www.historians.org/research-and-publications/perspectives-on-history/september-2022/is-history-history-identity-politics-and-teleologies-of-the-present
Pally01
The sculpture is unfinished; it's supposed to show the shoulders and chest but instead one of the most famous monuments in America is half-assed.
byronape
That describes a lot of stuff in the US.
PutItInNeutral
It wasn't half-assed. Just look at the mountain from the other side.
lilbrother
The park’s museum explains that they couldn’t finish the shoulders because there is a layer of brittle granite that bisects the mountain. It couldn’t be carved. Federal funding also ran out partly due to WW2.
Churchofthesubgenius
Not half assed so much but because the sculpture died of pneumonia he caught while working on it
ItSeemsYouHaveSufferedaTerribleFate
Karma really
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
lol
HonHomes
Eh, I assume he'd made plans/mockups of the final thing and it's not like he was carving it out on his own. Someone else could have taken over and got it finished
Churchofthesubgenius
He’s son did take it over but they ran out of funding and more wasn’t appropriated. The whole process was a struggle, and six grandfathers wasn’t even the original location
Radix865
Well, there was this small thing called World War II that was going on by then so it makes sense that there were "other" priorities.
EndersdoyouthinkthisisafuckingGame
So which of the four guys up there is the dead one?
distraingotnobrakes
In 1980 the SCOTUS ruled in favor of the Sioux Nation and awarded them $102M for the land. The Sioux have refused the money, and continue to demand the return of the land: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Sioux_Nation_of_Indians
iliahell201812
$102 millions equal forget genocide? Those maths.... something something....
AFaceOnlyAMotherCouldLove
Well they demanded more than their land, they demand autonomy as well. An extremely important aspect of Natives lands yet the government always wishes to intrude
GlowstickJedi
Supreme Court:
Baron29
Accurate
Marsmallowmancer
good for them. nothing can replace the land that was stolen *except the land that was stolen*
Marsmallowmancer
It's like saying "I'm sorry I stole your car. Here's the blue book value" and then getting into their car and driving away
westellar
"valued at over $1 billion as of 2011." ... Wow.
distraingotnobrakes
I heard it explained by a Sioux leader like this: a billion dollars divided among a hundred thousand Sioux people, is maybe ten grand tops per tribal member. Taking a payoff for sacred lands would only barely help this generation of the Sioux. That’s why they won’t accept any payment.
westellar
If they divided it evenly between a hundred thousand people, it's true it wouldn't go very far. That's "only" 10k a person, and probably wouldn't even settle all of each person's debts. It would do absolutely fuck all for them, in the end. ... If it was managed by their leadership instead of divvied up, though, and used for infrastructure or social work... idk, a billion dollars could potentially do a lot to help their communities as a whole. I would think.
WoodyGoodman
ALStaysHome
Aho.
thedarkcanuck
Cause I'm freeee (way a way ha ha uh) free faaaalllliiiinnnnn
123angelsandairwaves123
Great show. My co workers kid is an actor in this series
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nosnowyno
And some shitasses
espi0920
😅
LastWishTonight
reservation dogs
fastjeff
deject3000
MandalorianHybrid1
It took me being an adult before I learned that Mount Rushmore is in reality Six Grandfathers mountain, a sacred place that the gov stole and hired a guy with ties to the KKK to put American presidents on. Look up original pictures of the mountain. It used to be beautiful.
Daviino
I mean, some drilling and some explosives aaaaand they are gone.
IWasGoingToMakeEspresso
Someone wrote a folk song about it: https://youtu.be/Vqa7SPXy_Kw.
atomfixes101
Heh, we tried to slip in six white guys so when the Indians went to worship they’d be like..damn, their white guys
JonWallace1985
Same. I think it was Simon Whistler who taught me about it.
gotcookiesai
Did you know his mom?
MrSwissroll
Damn, I had no idea until reading this. Terrible...
fartser
You can still see a couple of the original faces but I imagine it used to be so much prettier
XeononSolomon
What's even more wild is that they did so to hide El Dorado and not to further erase the First Nations connections to the land and perpetuate the (arguably still ongoing) genocide against the native peoples.
VodkaReindeer
You know who else wanted to remove massive carvings from the face of a mountain in the name of religion?
mithiwithi
I know that a lot of Americans treat the "Founding Fathers" as religious icons, but that doesn't mean we have to humor them.
SilverFish0
That's like most of the country tho right?
CorydorasAfavorplease
Devils tower was the great bear lodge if I remember correctly
allcattywampus
on the plus side, it'll probably be the last extant evidence that human life ever existed on this planet if aliens happen to find it
Hurro
What a legacy to leave.
FrogBotherer
No, that'll be the thin layer of plastic appearing everywhere in the geologic column. The carvings on Mount Rushmore will erode away relatively quickly on geologic timescales.
JesaraB
Plasticomerate, a sedimentary rock formed by natural geological processes, where one of the materials is plastic.
MaterialisticWorm
Sounds like we need someone to make a professional looking QR code to stick on all the exhibits that leads to a website about the true history
JBFrawg
Did you know that the native Americans that held it to be sacred had arrived there and killed off an entire tribe that was there before. Everyone everywhere killed the people that were there before. It's terrible.
SeriousIy
You could say it was unpresidented...
Throwawayheyya
Went to mount Rushmore last year with my parents, it just made me sad. Especially how the controversy around it is barely mentioned in the museum.
MandalorianHybrid1
I know what you mean. I was born there, in Rapid City less than a half an hour away. Raised there and knew fuck-all about it. Took me living in Texas and actually looking into it myself as an adult before I knew the reality.
ThaneofGlamis
Central or Stevens?
WhataburgerWithADrPepper
I miss Rapid City. I want to move back soon. I'm from Texas and it's fucking miserable.
MrStealYourGiF
Right, when I first learned about it, I was all "Holy shit, why do you still have that in tourist brochures, listed among national monuments, on souvenir T-shirts etc??"
1980slegospaceman
All the souvenirs are made in China. If you want real American history and made in America souvenirs, hop over to Crazy Horse.
rshini
And not without it's problems, there's a good amount of Lakota who objected to carving a sacred mountain for a western idea of memorial (and as Crazy Horse himself refused to be photographed and had his burial in a secret place, he probably wouldn't be cool with this), and accusations that Ziolkowski and his family is basically doing the whole thing for profit.
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
Which, unfortunately, will probably never get finished
Sticklebrickk
One piece at a time.
1980slegospaceman
I have faith, I have seen it twice in my 30 year life and it has made ok progress. Went to it last in 2021 and they had a good plan and funding secured for the next several phases. That is a cause I'll donate to if I ever get to a better point financially.
Ultratoxic
Imagine your tribe has lived in a place for thousands of years. Then some white guys show up, beat the shit out of you, give you diseases, rape your women, drive you off your land, then carve four of THEIR leaders faces into your sacred mountain. And then celebrate it.
Seotasr7
Exactly. "Fuck you, were going to kill ALL of you. Then fuck up your land to put OUR pictures on it so we can sell tickets and say how sad about the people who used to be here. Where'd they go? Who knows, but these dudes on the mountain are heroes for trying to find them"
Funwithpuns350
Well it's really gonna blow your balls off to know it was only 'owned' by the Lakota for about 100 years before the US took it. They took it from I believe the Cheyenne. It's been changing hands pretty much forever.
datphone777365
did the lakota smash it up to put a bunch of faces on it? nah didnt think so. ya missing the point.
Rosfmmmhzdrozzley
Just like everything
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gotcookiesai
Yeah, just like black people in tribal Africa selling prisoners to white folks isn't slavery.
datphone777365
show me something where those other black folk thought the black fokk they sold where less human the same way white folk portayed blacks. this should be neat.
baals
And that's something white folk have been doing since the beginning too, claiming that well then injuns are all just violent people killing each other all the time so it makes them out to be seen as less than people, which they most certainly are not
datphone777365
reminds me of some daft prat that claimed britain was an exporter of "civil society and human rights" that thought i was a "stereotypical bob n vegine" indian male for for mentioning the whole shooting/beating indian protesters. was funnier still when they tried the whole "gandhi was a pedo" only to get pissy again when i mentioned lil lizz shielding her pedo prince son.
unluckyandbored
We can never put it back the way it was. But giving the land back to the natives and letting them do as they see got would be a good start
JesaraB
Wait till you learn about Yucca Mountain, a sacred place that the gov stole and shoved nuclear material into despite high seismic activity.
xelbi1988
Stop lying. Yucca is quite geologically stable. Hence the decision. But it's not even being used yet.
JesaraB
3rd most seismically active state, and an average of 10 earthquakes per Day within a 30 mile range of the mountain? That's stable to you? Zoom right in on it, and 115 earthquakes in the last 30 days https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=36.24427,-117.03461&extent=37.20955,-114.83734&range=month&magnitude=all&listOnlyShown=true&showUSFaults=true&baseLayer=terrain
JesaraB
Different zoom setting, the cluster in the center, NW of Vegas, yeah that's Yucca Mountain. https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=34.94449,-119.94324&extent=38.79691,-111.15417&range=month&magnitude=all&listOnlyShown=true&showUSFaults=true&baseLayer=terrain
JesaraB
And yes I know that is only ~4 per day in the last 30 days, the 10 per day was from a study covering decades.
JesaraB
And the DoE admitted that they had secretly shipped plutonium there already, when they officially weren't using it yet. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2019/01/30/doe-secretly-shipped-plutonium-nevada/2725872002/
JesaraB
Officially it's shuttered and they "never stored nuclear material there" but they also "shipped nuclear material there and stored it"