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Trustmeimadogtor
I don't think "free" college will solve much. Need to improve secondary schools. More trade school options.
CyanideBreathMint
Either way, I think it's a lot more complicated than what this post tried to dumb it down to.
Helpingpeoplesometimes
People are tired of paying for crap education, that's why. High school isn't good enough anymore but no one wants to improve that first.
DtheB8
*Experiences Vietnam flashbacks to how shittily run my public schools were* RIP college :(
KlaxonAk
With federal loans the money is already free for the college. Why keep costs competitive if you’re guaranteed money?
ScottaHemi
hows about. we figure out why college costs so much and fix that before giving the government more control over our lives...
IPlayWithFire
Of course they waited till a college education was nearly worthless to bring up the idea of making it "free" via taxes
sospicy
I don’t agree that “free college” is the best way to describe this. It’d be awesome if everyone got 2 years of free vocational/education
sospicy
and then could decide if they wanted to pursue additional education or training. There’s a lot of pressure on 18 year olds to pick a career.
gatomejores
There need to be some ground rules about what classes and majors are covered. Elective courses and bullshit degrees should be student pay.
GrugameshGame
You can check your voter registration at vote.org
FabulousBadass
Government does not want an educated populace.
not4chars
This point comes from the type of people that think a degree guarantees economic success, fails to account for the need for unskilled labor.
BerntheVote2020
Skilled blue collar labor. I just paid a plumber $150/hr to dig up and replace sewage pumps. There’s a great need in the service industry.
not4chars
This is correct as well.
Zepehphor
fix public education first and maybe we can talk, because as it is im unsure its worth my tax dollars anymore either.
ArcaneConjecture
This is a delaying tactic. When told we need billions to fix k-12, you'll say "fix poverty first".
Zepehphor
nope. money alone wont fix the problem, and adding college on top of a system already in need of major work wont help the situation.
ArcaneConjecture
It worked for white people: We used the GI bill to send all those white kids to college. The economy and living standards boomed.
potatoardvarkhybrid
this is socialism!!!!!
abidikgubidik
alright, if this is socialism, then mark me down as a socialist
potatoardvarkhybrid
/s
troodonejs24
I'll support publically funded college for others when the government refunds the tuition I already paid for.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
"Things were shitty for me, so they can't get better for anyone else." Bold move, Cotton.
TheSwampAngel
College is expensive due to folks like Elizabeth Warren teaching ONE CLASS for a salary of $400k! It's a scam.
Cheomesh
At Harvard.
Meloncov
Yeah, that's Harvard. Most colleges aren't paying any professor anywhere close to that.
TightenTheLugnutz
Government loans = cost goes up 600% in 40 years. So now: "It's too expensive, let the government pay for it!"
JamesRush77
IMO we need to fix public education k-12 first and fix college. There is no reason that a computer science degree needs to take English
JamesRush77
That should be taken care of in high school.
Cheomesh
English (particularly technically-oriented courses) is a bad example if the CS people I know are any indication.
TheMellowPeril
But that’s SOCIALISM!
HappyEngineer
cjandstuff
As long as I can live in public housing, get food stamps, social security, and medicare, I don't want any socialism!
PorneliusHubertII
Socialism at the fundamental level is just taking care of your neighbors. Idk why we are supposed to think its evil.
cazkey
As a American that lived in Germany for 8 years. Socialism is awesome.
Loupgarou746
So is social security but everyone seens ok with that....
wiltsjunk
Apparently not everyone is ok with it
oseo
If that’s “socialism”, sign us the fuck up!
snuffluffuguss
Sign yourself up by moving to a socialist country but leave the rest of us out of it.
TheMellowPeril
But... but... Venezuela! George Soros! THE ILLUMINATI!
TheWombatStrikesAgain
You still believe in Venezuela? Damn sheeple.
oseo
ReEeEeEEeeeeeEe!!!11!!
Tumescentpie
The funny thing is that the country with the largest military spending on the planet, we have people that worry about socialism /1
Tumescentpie
Not realizing that the military is not only socialism in action by the fact that it is nearly 100% tax funded. But also military members /2
Tumescentpie
Benefit from all sorts of socialist programs from their food, to housing, medical care, and education while enlisted. Socialism seems great.
SlotegeAllDay
As a military member let me tell you that our food, housing, and medical care are fucking trash. But thats just because its military.
LeadByBadExample
No, that's because it's capitalism to outsource to the lowest bidder, and that's where almost everything is made.
Pdub80
So are professors going to paid as much as public school teachers? I really would like to know how many of them support that notion.
RussianMathNinja
The average elementary school salary is roughly my current one. If I had the misfortune of being an adjunct, I would be earning even less.
BrewmasterDan
I mean elementary teachers literally have to pay out of pocket for their students
Meloncov
Most non-tenure track professors (which is most professors) would be thrilled to get public school teacher pay+benefits.
EmperorZerbo
Aspiring professor here: my research focused colleagues get their higher pay through grant money for projects. Salaries are similar to k-12.
popejubal
That would be a substantial raise for a lot of them.
Spawnofsanta1313
Professors at community colleges are paid about the same as public school teachers. Adjuncts make far...FAR less.
NoneOfThemKnew
A large number of PhDs are temporary faculty who get paid roughly the same as public school teachers but without the union/safety net. 1/3
NoneOfThemKnew
Professors at most teaching schools are only paid marginally more, after 5+ years of education, in the current system. 2/3
NoneOfThemKnew
Professors at research institutions are commonly funded through grants and subsidies for research, less so undergrad tuition. 3/3
mardukkur
Professors don't get paid shit anymore. And they were never well-paid relative to their education level.
morelikeconsham
My professors as the university of decent state school got 150K salaries.
aleakyhousesinks
That's how much my public school teachers got paid. If you go to a public school that actually has funding, they actually pay the teachers.
mardukkur
The average salary for a tenured professor in the US (which is like winning the damn lottery nowadays) is $75,400.
mardukkur
The current career path for most academics is to labor for a decade as an assistant or associate professor, get denied tenure, get replaced.
kwkspectre
Yes, shift the burden to taxpayers. That will definitely be an incentive for colleges to lower their costs.
jrntn
"I have, with my hypothetical, disproven the reality of the rest of the world. Reality got nothing on my shower thoughts"
Crimsontrace
So edgy.
jrntn
I'm sorry if reality is edgy to you.
Crimsontrace
Did I say edgy? I misspelled cringey.
jrntn
Okay. Congratulations.
packardcaribien
This wouldn't be a problem if previously highschool jobs didn't "require" a college degree. Less folks should be going to college, not more.
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No. Factory work was going to be outsourced or automated sooner or later, if anything unions quickened the process. But it was the huge 1/2
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portion of people unecessarily going to college that denigrated tradespeople and made such a glut of collegiates as to displace hs grads. 2
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Gestalted
Unpopular opinion. Not everyone is cut out for college. We need carpenters, electricians, etc most people in those fields are 50+
ArcaneConjecture
If you need something, you must pay for it. The salaries in those jobs simply don't justify the physical and economic risk.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
Popular Opinion: Technical colleges can, should, and generally are (based on statements) covered by Free College advocate plans.
NitherNor
I'd extend that to say most people aren't cut out for it.
LoquaciousDude
In denmark all education is free, people chose what they chose, equality of opportunity, if someone isn't cut out for a thing, then they >
LoquaciousDude
won't achieve it. It benefits society greatly to have high social mobility and equality of opportunity, since those who can and want to >
LoquaciousDude
do good things, innovate, better things, etc, have the means to that they might not otherwise just cus they got the short end of the stick >
LoquaciousDude
in what circumstances they were born in to.
fedeColorTerror
I don't understand why people who are against this are the same saying "make America great again". To be great you have to give the
NightButtFairyHawk
1. No they're not. 2. It's a false premise. As government has gotten more involved in education, the prices has skyrocketed.
fedeColorTerror
possibility to work in important fields to intelligent people, not just rich people. It keeps the country back and you are minimizing the
fedeColorTerror
possibilities to create new inventions, find cures, progress as society. The more people are educated the more possibilities you have that
fedeColorTerror
some of them is a genius and make great things for your country.
LimyMage918
Cheaper college is good but please God don't lump it in with public, few programs are as flawed and outdated as that
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LimyMage918
Post made it seem like college would be handled by the government like public school and the US public education system is garbage
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Half the schools I grew up in had poor staff, plenty of teachers have to buy their own supplies or ask parents to provide class supplies>>
LimyMage918
Either because the school board doesnt care or doenst have a proper budget, a number of classes either aren't needed or can be shortened>>
dDark007
Aren't public schools failing and closing everywhere?
Cheomesh
No?
VariousEdibleFoodstuffs
Thanks Betsy devoss
dDark007
I think public schools have been failing well before she came along.
aleakyhousesinks
Trump's been cutting the education budget and jacking up military spending for the past 4 years, so wouldn't surprise me.
Crimsontrace
Common core is killing schools. Many are reverting back.
aleakyhousesinks
How is common core causing schools to fail and close?
Crimsontrace
It's not necessarily causing them to close...but test scores are down. It's dumbing down kids.
Crimsontrace
The first CC kids are now seniors...and their scores are worse. It just doesn't work and it confuses kids...math especially.
aleakyhousesinks
That makes sense. I think they need to focus more on statistics and a little less on algebra.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
Citation? I've mostly seen mixed results (basically modest gains, if any), except for one that hasn't been formally peer-reviewed and is
milgam1
“Master’s Degree Required” (pays minimum wage)
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WolfRexV3
And free colleges will devalue our degrees! /S
Thephedora
It's not the paper. It's what you know how to do.
xyrax
Is this post claiming that this would CREATE this scenario? Because if so its wrong. That shit happens now WITHOUT college being free.
HistoricallyMinor
I saw a job once that was full time paying like $24k. Wanted a PhD.
StoicOptimist
Probably where it will go to.
Spawnofsanta1313
Entry level job ..required 5 years experience.... ?
MadeThisAccountToAnswerQuestions
Oh, and 5 years experience.
Xecryo
Entry level and you have to have a 3 year unpaid internship.
cheezencrackers
In a technology invented 2 years ago.
Bukkhockey
You'll see this more often. The more degrees there are out there the less valuable they will b. Bachelors will b like a high school diploma
prettypieceofmadness
Trade school is the answer.
arbanblade
HandoB4Javert
I like
TheCyclingEngineer
The difference being what university and what degree you studied.
Taintwafflewithwhippedcream
This is already the truth. A bachelor's means nothing to many organizations because it's rarer not to have one than to have one.
kingbudo101
its already this
ReignOfError
Basically. You already need a bachelor's to get decent-paying work, but at right now you have to go into debt (or rely on parents) to get it
SergeiBoobtitsky
Get a degree in economics like I did. Pretty much useless outside the field, but it sounds fancy enough to make people think you're smart.
therealpyroman
College dropout here: It's really not. Got a better job than my computer science degree friend. He works at a grocery store and I work in IT
therealpyroman
Degrees mean nothing in almost every field (except Medicine, most states law, and research).
kingbudo101
more that degrees are now the bare minimum. Most jobs you apply on online. 99% good paying jobs will have some check box that says
Bukkhockey
Not for minimum wage, more so for career type jobs. Of course you could get paid to learn a trade, have 0 debt and more $ than a masters.
kingbudo101
Early on Trade jobs pay more, but in the long run, you will make more with a degree. Not to mention type of work and hours you will work
kingbudo101
are very different. Someone will a degree can get a cushy office job making over 100K and barely work 40hrs a week.
Waldbern
College educating everyone doesn’t make sense. We still need mechanics and electricians and truckers. Why should we pay to get them degrees?
nppraxis
The idea isn't forced college, it's making it available at low or no cost. Learning trades should also be encouraged, even subsidized.
Kuhmeister
ya know most mechanics, electricians, and plumbers go to college too, just to a like trade school instead of a 4 year degree.
AnticlockwiseMetamorphosis
Yeah well back in my day we didn't need no god dern "education"! We worked like real men!
PrickasaursRex
Trade/vocational schools are always included in these plans.
bouncebounceandtheclaw
Good.
glaug
1) The idea isn't sending 100% of the population to college 2) If they're accepted, why shouldn't higher education be available to them?
xyrax
What makes you think trade and vocational schools arent included? Why do you all create & imagine up these non-existent hurdles? Its amazing
PiggyWobbles
there is no down side to mechanics, electricians, and truckers being more educated than is absolutely necessary to do their job functions
Necromartian
No, but it gives people the freedom of choice. School isn't for everyone, but it would be smart not to waste talented or motivated people.
rollercostarican
So let’s not offer college b/c some industries don’t require it?should we not offer HS diplomas because some jobs don’t require that Either?
WardenTerror
You do realize not everyone will actually go to college and get a degree right? This would give those that want to a better chance
gecko08
There is an enormous amount of tertiary information that is taught in higher education that isnt monetizable like a trade but helps create
gecko08
informed adults who are able to make intelligent decisions in their lives and as a part of a community. Biology, health classes, economics,
gecko08
and history classes are critical for helping people be productive and prosperous.
ArmedandOverclocked
Literally all of those things should fall under the educational purview of the k-12 system.
AnticlockwiseMetamorphosis
I forget that Americans refer to university as "college". You do realize there are diplomas you can get for trades? From colleges? School-
AnticlockwiseMetamorphosis
Isn't just for STEM or humanities
PhloydPhan
Graduated my bachelors magna cum laude here - if I could go back to high school and do it over, I'd go to tech school and be a welder.
Waldbern
Same my friend. 2 degrees and I am a delivery driver for a cabinetry company.
idownvoteyouruglycats
Giving everyone an equal opportunity by making it publicly funded does. A meritocracy instead of letting wealth be a major factor
Waldbern
That would be helpful yes.
oseo
Why are you against that being an option? Automation will end up killing a lot of those jobs in the coming decades anyway.
Waldbern
I’m not against it. Just against mandatory college for people who aren’t interested. That’s all.
AstroExplained
Where did it say mandatory? AT ALL? No where! Just that people shouldn't go 'bankrupt' to educate themselves further after highschool.
AstroExplained
It's free in Germany - and it's not mandatory, and the country has a significant fraction in trades. They support both paths for careers.
gecko08
No one said it would be mandatory. Dont strawman.
Waldbern
Refering to it as “public education” and comparing it to other public education makes it seem compulsory.
Cheomesh
Public Colleges exist and are the norm. Did you think those were compulsory and you somehow got out of it?
Gorgrim
You are making a leap in logic that isn't there. OP was talking about how it's paid for, not who is required to take it.
TheMellowPeril
It’s not fair for manual labor to be looked down on, but also trade jobs aren’t for everyone.
Waldbern
I didn’t say everyone. Those who test well enough continue on to public ally funded universities. Those that don’t can get trained in trades
arbanblade
Federal Government decides what you will do with your life.
TheMellowPeril
Phrasing please, you make it sound like “trades are for dumb people”
Cheomesh
Or "the good get out". I did some trades work for a bit in various guises - not a lot of deep thinkers there.
Waldbern
That is a fair critique. I didn’t mean for it to be taken that way. My apologies.
TheFragnatic
Just because you aren't academically inclined doesn't mean you are dumb.
JustAnotherLinkInTheChain
By that metric college isn't for everyone, either. We're unfortunately nearing a time where you're career is going to be dictated to you out
TheMellowPeril
Everyone has different aspirations and abilities, and those tend to change over time, to say nothing of the job market.
JustAnotherLinkInTheChain
Of societal need rather than individual passion, like my GFs Dad. We need to reframe our thinking and stop looking down on tradesmen for the
JustAnotherLinkInTheChain
Vital role they also play in society
Cheomesh
Or they could drop the victim complex.
CrazyCatLad
I honestly don't see much talk of anyone looking down on tradesmen though?? At least personally.
JimJamesJimothyHalpert
I dOnT wAnT tO pAy FoR eVeRyOnE ElSE. I HaD To PaY , So ShOulD tHey
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MyNameIsJesusAndIStealHubcapsFromCars
(mostly people who never went to college anyways)
TossedSaladsandScrambledEggs
Remember when we used to mock this sort of writing and now we use it for sarcasm... how the tables turn tables.
CrimeBrulee
Well the idea of a sarcasm punctuation marks never took off, and context is hard with informal written language.
powwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
JimJamesJimothyHalpert
I bet thats exactly what those people look like
gaidinbdj
A hand up should be offered to all, not just the group you think has the best chance of voting for you.
Dionysus187
"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."
BlackavarLion
because we don't like working in a world full of idiots.
malaroo
...So we should reduce people's chances of getting education? Sounds like something an idiot would say.
BlackavarLion
I can't tell if you took my statement out of context or not. Evidently people must love idiots.
TeeToTheHee
I mean let me try and put it in perspective. My college has a 50% drop out rate and its already a public college. Yeah, right now the 1/2
TeeToTheHee
The system is fucked, but having people pay for someone's personal investment isnt the answer. Especially when it will more 2/3
TeeToTheHee
Than likely get wasted.
Paddymo
It’s opportunity cost anyone with student debt should be against free school without debt forgiveness. Otherwise you have 22 year olds(1/2)
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Paddymo
Empathy is not a reason for me to give up 40% of my paycheck
Paddymo
With as much or more buying power than you, pricing you out of housing markets and putting you in a hole for the rest of your life (2/2)
MrsMericulous
"If you suffered and want others to suffer because you 'turned out fine,' you did not in fact turn out fine."
BooToast
Or you didn't suffer enough!
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Wow, what a great comment!
jimmityjammity
Nobody should SUFFER but there is a lot to be said for life challenges, adversity and learning opportunities vs a life of privilege.
jimmityjammity
Picture a typical 'rich kid' vs someone who understands value of things and uses knowledge, ingenuity and logic for decisions and empathy
MrsMericulous
I think you're confusing "suffer" with "struggle."
jimmityjammity
The quote is (rightly) being used liberally to paint paying for education as "suffering" so the 'confusion' happened before I was involved
justonemorepicturepls
You're right but in the context of this post, college is the learning opportunity and atm suffering is endured to get it. That's plain wrong
jimmityjammity
You are right, I'm just a pedantic Mofo
BlueEyesBallin
I 100% agree with this. I'm 30 and owe my left testicle. I don't think it's fair for the next generation to get a foot up.
BecausewelikesayingthewordHUGGBEES
Then you still have maturing to do. I have tons of debt, which I chose freely, but i dont wish it on anyone else.
malaroo
Scumbag.
IllBeDamnedifIGotoHell
Then support a candidate with a platform of student loan forgiveness. Don’t just keep perpetuating this late-stage capitalist caste system
Cheomesh
Shoulda paid your way through like I did!
JimJamesJimothyHalpert
I say this as respectfully as i can... fuck you. You, having lived the struggle, should be wishing BETTER for others
hillarydufflebag
The anger you have set upon other commentors is laughable. It's the US, and you are 100% allowed to think this. I worked damn hard for mine.
ABadManWithABeard
You're allowed to think it. Were allowed to think you're a fucking idiot because that's not even what were talking about. Everybody wins.
rollercostarican
Just because I worked really really hard for something doesn’t mean I think I should’ve had to work hard for it.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
And that's exactly the mindset that's fucked the US up for the last 4 decades: "I've got mine, screw everybody else."
hillarydufflebag
Are you sure it's that mindset or the DNC not being able to get out of it's own way and provide the people with who they want?
TheRealCheddar
Uhhhh, no. It's the rise of the far left and takeover of the democratic party. It started in the 60s with the veitnam war and loss of values
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Okay boomer.
MicahtheMartian
Ahhhh yes the 'if I can't have it than no one should' mentality...
sear3489
Wouldn't your children be part if that next generation?
CyclopticColleague
Fewer testicles lessens the chance of children, I think. But I never went to college, too expensive.
BlueEyesBallin
Can't have kids. Had to pay my left nut
Doomgriever
pretendthisisaclevername
Righty's a lame duck, huh?
Gilgamech
Tell ol' righty to step it up.
EgregiousCodswallop
I have to pay for the idiocy of others every single day. I would honestly rather pay for college education than deal with another idiot.
packardcaribien
College doesn't fix idiots. Half the time it makes idiots *think* they're smart, which is dangerous.
leodavinci1
Ironically, "higher education" provides a lot of the reason many people conclude they are smart... or, at least, smarter than most others.
CptRobotNinja
While I agree with you college doesnt fix idiots, it just provides them with opportunities they might not otherwise have had...in theory
Daanydoomboy
Pretty sure more education means fewer idiots, but ok
therealcynic
The number of college educated morons I work with tells me otherwise. You can't fix stupid.
UnicornMeatSauce
It's is a difficult situation to find solutions to. What do you think would be a good angle to look at this?
EgregiousCodswallop
Just imagine what they'd be like if we let them drop out in Middle School like they wanted
Silas007
Good education overall gives people opportunity to learn how not (or at least less so) to be idiots.
leodavinci1
I would say that politics proves you wrong.
Silas007
I would say politics proved me right.
YaaDude
People are inherently selfish. Especially Americans.
TheRealCheddar
Americans are greedy not selfish. Selfish means you take from someone else. Greed is not necessarily a bad thing either. 1/2
TheRealCheddar
The capitalist system has lifted billions out of poverty and made everyone's lives a lot better and created unprecedented economic mobility.
YaaDude
My comment is more about humanity in general. It’s our nature. Americans are just at the top of the heap now so are hoarding wealth.
YaaDude
It’s China’s turn next to lead the world. Will be interesting to see how America responds to being 2nd. Entitlement colliding with reality.
UnicornMeatSauce
Whilst making everone fashion bondage cuffs linked to toxic consumeristic practices; making it easier 2 ignore their disconnect from nature.
omgwtfbbqXD
I missed the part where somebody was critical of capitalism. You can be for expanding public services (IE education) and (1/2)
omgwtfbbqXD
STILL like capitalism (2/2)
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Liternary
Who the hell downvoted this?
blazrfrog0
Stealing this now
Doomgriever
SuperPickle17
Duh, you have to multitrack drift in that situation. https://imgur.com/27kiFdh
Dionysus187
YOINK
titaniumsnail
Wow, that is the most accurate representation of that mindset I have ever seen.
ScottaHemi
SammiWhami
It's a good analogy, but in this case they are voluntarily laying on the tracks and expecting not to get run over. Someone change my mind ☹️
AsheLake
We're all on the tracks. The train is capitalism.
AnticlockwiseMetamorphosis
FlameBeard86
That's a false analogy
CrimeBrulee
Nope, it fits spot on (and that's not even considering the fact that tuition inflation means the older gen paid less of a % of total wealth)
JimJamesJimothyHalpert
Was it fair to all those that died of polio to have made a vaccine to prevent it and then made that accessible to literally 99% of the world
TheDrunkenWrench
In what sense?
packardcaribien
Fuck me for working and being an RA through college, picking a boring but employable major, and living austerely to pay off $20k a year.
JimJamesJimothyHalpert
Oh, shut up. Jesus christ, yall act like yall are the only ones to go through that. Youre bitter and selfish.
packardcaribien
Lemme guess. You picked a bs major, a stupidly unstable amount of debt, can't get a job, and now selfishly want my taxes to bail you out?
JimJamesJimothyHalpert
Nope. I didnt go to college right out of HS. I didnt know what i wanted to do, so I worked several shitty jobs and then God/the Universe
JimJamesJimothyHalpert
Blessdd me with a random job that i love and that pays me more than enough to pay all my bills, have some savings, and have money left
Cheomesh
Been there. Wouldn't shed any tears if it wasn't like that for the next guy.
packardcaribien
If I don't have to pay for him, by all means.
Cheomesh
k
ABadManWithABeard
Now imagine doing it with less and for longer. We've all struggled. Not all of us are fucking assholes. So yeah, fuck you.
packardcaribien
You mean with less, like I would have after being forced to pay off your loans for you? If you wanna pay off loans, study something useful.
ABadManWithABeard
Shame about those college loans. All that education and you're still a fucking idiot.
packardcaribien
Idiotic except in financial responsibility, I suppose. Managed to pay off everything within a year after school with zero parental help.
ReachingForTheStars
Sigh. I hope that is sarcasm.
oseo
I’m pretty sure it is.
Jsupes
I hOpE thAtS SarCaSm
Xecryo
That every other letter capitalized is internet for sarcasm.
HamburgerWelper
*mockery
Xecryo
MoCkErY
Gilgamech
Mocherie
AmericanSighCo
nIcE
HamburgerWelper
ThIs GuY gEtS iT