Rebuilding DeWalt Batteries

Aug 10, 2014 5:23 AM

pestilence

Views

401980

Likes

1493

Dislikes

127

Things you need

You'll need Sub C (or 4/5 Sub C for low profile packs) cells with solder tabs already installed from ebay, a dead battery pack, and a decent soldering iron. You'll also need some cardboard or fish paper (more on fish paper later) to insulate the main group from the neck cell. For my pack, I used cardboard .019 thick. A layer at the bottom under the cells and the insulating layer gave my pack a nice slight compression fit.

Before you start, make a photocopy of the insulating material on the bottom of the factory cells to use as a template to cut your cardboard. You'll probably need to destroy it to see how the factory cells are connected to each other and the inside of the case has gussets that will interfere with a general shape that just approximates the footprint of the cells.

My soldering iron is a Hakko Dash 25w with a semi chisel tip. They sell for about $30 on Amazon. The reason I like that particular model is that the tips attach using a compression sleeve and will not come loose from heat expansion and contraction the way cheapo irons with set screws do.

First bend some tabs

Divide your cells in half and strip the insulator off the positive lead of one half and the negative lead of the other half. Set one of each aside and bend the stripped tabs of the rest 90° as shown on the three negative-up cells in the back. Bend them all the same direction. It doesn't matter which direction as long as all of them are the same.

Pair them up

Rubber band all the ones with bent tabs together in pairs as shown. It's probably a good idea to tin the leads before doing this step, but I didn't. I did them this way to ensure the bottom tabs face opposite directions. It may not be necessary, but it worked for me.

Pre-tinned leads

This photo just shows what the pre-tinned leads look like before the tabs are soldered together.

Solder together the pairs

With the leads pre-tinned, press them together with the iron to let the solder flow between them, then hold them together with something pointy and heat proof and remove the iron. This will ensure the tabs don't spring apart before the solder solidifies.

It has been pointed out to me on reddit that a thin strip of protective material should be slipped under the tabs while soldering them. That will protect the material isolating the terminals of the cells from the heat of the soldering iron. The way I did it could lead to the tabs shorting together the negatively charged body of the cell with a tab connected to the positive terminal, which could lead to a fire.

Paired cells

This shows all but two cells soldered together at one end in pairs.

Bending the top tabs

Here I'm bending the top tabs so they will connect in the same pattern as the factory battery pack above them. Before this step, I arranged the pairs of cells in the case the same way as the bottoms of the pairs of factory batteries are arranged. Unfortunately I didn't get a photo of that step. Note that I've also included one of the two cells I had previously set aside. That cell's positive tab gets soldered to the positive lead of the battery pack's connector. I should have done that at this point, but had not when this photo was taken.

Solder the top tabs

I taped the cells together using a single layer of scotch tape. For my pack, I taped four together in a square and seven together in a hexagon, then taped those groups together. The tape just ensures the cells stay snugly together for soldering the top tabs. Soldering is then done the same way as it was done for the pairs previously. Note that all the tabs reach each other and overlap nicely with a little creative folding.

Cut out cardboard insulators

Here I've trimmed the photocopy of the factory insulator and traced it to make my insulators the same size and shape to fit nicely in the case. My cardboard was one of the spacers packed in a big box of dog biscuits from Costco. Anything about .020 thick will work. If you don't already have a good way to precisely measure thicknesses, Harbor Freight has decent stainless steel digital calipers for $10 with a coupon all the time. They are extremely handy for all kinds of things.

Since writing this, I've learned that the material used for insulation by the factory is called fish paper. It's not actually paper, it's a polymer made entirely of cellulose using processes similar to paper making. It's a far more heat and fire resistant insulator than plain cardboard and it's available online. If you want your rebuilt battery to be as close to as safe as original as possible, either save the original fish paper insulators, or get some and make new ones.

Slot your top insulator

Cut a slot and leave a hole for the connector lead to come up through the center of your insulator. Also cut a slot for the negative tab of the cell that connects to the neck cell.

Solder in the neck cell

Here you can see how I bent and soldered the negative tab of the neck cell to the connector tab that was formerly spot welded to the factory neck cell. Make sure you understand the exact placement of the neck cell before you bend the final two tabs to ensure they will meet properly when the neck cell is positioned correctly.

Finished

My drill came from a storage locker sale and both battery packs were dead. I also bought three more dead packs on eBay. My final steps were to erase the word 'junk' someone had written on this pack and remove the 'recycle me' sticker to differentiate it from the ones I haven't refurbished yet. I bought all new cells for two packs this time around. My next battery adventure will be to separate all the factory cells I have now, attempt to charge them, and get rid of the bad cells. Then I can use the good ones to rebuild my other packs. I've heard that these packs die because only one or two cells in them have actually gone bad. It'd be a shame not to reuse the good ones.

New battery packs cost around $70 each on Amazon. I bought enough cells to do two packs for $34 on eBay. There's a LOT of profit built into these things! Also, the cells I bought *say* they are 2800mah. If that's actually true, these packs should run quite a bit longer between charges than they originally did.

*insert overused joke about getting dick stuck in fan due to my incompetence attempting to follow the instructions*

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sigh... ::unzips::

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

My friend did this using discarded medical-grade batteries from defibrillators. They're better batteries than are available to the public.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

I made pizza rolls today and only slightly burnt them.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Nice! I will have to try this out on some old packs I have. Much appreciated.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

TL;DR: Buy a new DeWalt battery

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Cuz you've got toooo much *clap clap* time on your hands

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

or spend $40 on this... http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwOVgxMDA5/z/GFUAAMXQ74JTUS9r/$_57.JPG

11 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 1

OP solution = 2800 mAh.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

So let's say I'm stuck in the desert with my junkie business partner in a dead RV, whatchya got for me now?

11 years ago | Likes 62 Dislikes 3

I get this reference.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

A robot.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ahhh wire...

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Videotaoe an apology to your wife and kids. Then realize you're noy getting caught by the cops and have a great sigh of relief

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Instructions not clear. Got a corded drill instead for better torque.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Guys, this didn't take that long. As an engineer this took 30 minutes tops, once he received the batteries. Soldering big things is easy.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

Is that safe?

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Down vote because dangerous, also litterally what I do for a living

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Paid $34 for 2 packs, saves $108. About a half hour per to solder. Do you make $108/hr? No? Then shut up about "how much is your time worth"

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 7

But of course, the quality of the cells is in question. If they're cheap batteries, they could underperform, fail, or go up in flames.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Favorited because I have 2 dead Dewalt batteries right now.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You're who MacGyver is based on, aren't you?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

+1 Hakko iron

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And if you screw up one of the solder jobs the battery will create plasma which is cool

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

This is certainly interesting, but you need much more familiarity with electronics than the average viewer has. Just slap on a warning, ok?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Do you want a self-destructing device? Because that's how you get self-destructing device

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I know nothing about wiring, soldering or electricity, but something about this screams fire hazard to me...

11 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 12

It's because you know nothing that it does. Only mistake he really made was not protecting under the terminals when soldering them.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

fire hazard if you cant tell the difference between + and -

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Why? He properly replicated what was already in there, only with new batteries.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

Now I know how I can fix my wife!

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 6

Give her double the D.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

With battery? I hope not.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We can rebuild it, we have the technology !

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Downvoted for DIY fire hazard. DO NOT attempt to do this. Unless you are planning to buy a new house and burn down the old one.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 8

Don't be ridiculous. If you have a soldering iron you would know how to solder and this isn't dangerous from the batteries.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

As a battery store employee, isn't not as easy as this. Some cannot be rebuilt, others are so complex you're just better off buying new.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Not really true unless it's dirt cheap generic heat welded shut w/o screws. Even Li-Ion can have the protection board swapped over.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I've built ones that you call 'generic'. Only thing about those that's generic are the cells. Li-ion is still not as easy as some think.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Having rebuilt several Li-Ion packs, I have to say yes it's as easy as I think. There's just a protection board in addition to the cells.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

How much is your time worth? I feel like I'm saying that to a lot of these "do-it-yourself" posts...

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

this guy probably saved $50-100

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

If you're doing it on your spare time and enjoying yourself there's no cost.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Exactly. I'm a self taught software dev team lead. Every day I spend 8 hours making great money because I 'wasted time' when I was a kid.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm a self taught software dev team lead. Every day I spend 8 hours making great money because I 'wasted time' when I was a kid.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

All these DIY posts make me feel unproductive and untalented.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Favorite and forget forever

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Nice! I have done this for my Makita. If you cannot find batteries with solder lead, you need a 100W solder iron, to avoid overheating 1/2

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Also, some models have a temperature sensor on the batteries. It needs to be removed and soldered to the replacements. 2/2

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yea I think I'll just buy a new battery, thanks.

11 years ago | Likes 463 Dislikes 19

those batteries are actually a lot more expensive than your normal tv remote batteries...

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

May cause fire. Okay then I'll just buy a new one

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

i swear these things are rechargeable...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Power tool batteries are crazy expensive.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I scored a DeWalt drill with a battery for $5 at a yard sale once. Its the fancy hammer drill type one too.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You can pay people to rebuild them for you and it's still cheaper than buying a replacement.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I used to be one of those people you paid to rebuild it. It's seriously like 35 bucks. Buying the batteries is like 30 alone.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is hardly fucking rocket science. I have three packs for a drill, three for a leaf blower and three for a saw. That's a lot of money.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

In a lot of cases, I prefer to pay for expertise

11 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 3

Building expertise for yourself at 1/3 the cost of retail, but accepting additional risk, is a solid trade off.

11 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

BUILDING BATTERIES IS THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD OH MY GOD

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I prefer to take opportunities to gain expertise.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Also a valid viewpoint, kudos to you OP for having the ingenuity to create solutions for monetary obstacles +1

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The monetary obstacle was only mental. I make plenty of money. I just don't like giving it away when I don't need to.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

But... but... cheapness! (no, in reality, I agree with you. This is crazy).

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 6

As an engineer this took 30 minutes tops, once he received the batteries from ebay. Cut out two pieces, solder a few tabs, done.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

It's not the time, it's the high chance of messing up because I have no idea what I am doing.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

You can just pay some place like Batteries+ to refurbish for about 1/2 - 2/3 the cost of a replacement and they guarantee it for 6mo+

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

6 months isn't really that long. What are these batteries; disposable?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

They guarantee them for 6 months, not that they have to be replaced in 6 months.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

if they still make them. Dewalt pretty much stopped making the 18 volt stuff when I got all the 18v tools i needed

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We were talking about BatteriesPlus, not DeWalt. They rebuilt 2 ham radio battery packs for me, same warranty, but after 5 years still good!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Fuck that. I have an opportunity to save money and learn how to do something new. Let's fucking do this.

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 6

[deleted]

[deleted]

11 years ago (deleted Jul 6, 2015 3:09 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

My two year old what?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I don't have 2yo and if I did I would not be using power tools around them. Also, I would use a multimeter to ensure safe current. Dumbshit.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

[deleted]

[deleted]

11 years ago (deleted Sep 22, 2015 3:15 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

30 minutes. And so could a regular power tool. It's not ghetto or cheap to learn and apply how to repair electrical tools. Dumbshit.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

Also, non-dumbshits know, you test it. Over a non-flammable surface, with a fire extinguisher on hand. Before just using it.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

People need to learn the money value of time.

11 years ago | Likes 54 Dislikes 13

also he probably saved $50-100 this way. so yes, he probably understands the value of time, and is getting paid more than you for it.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 3

bitch u don kno me

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

so is this like a tax writeoff or something?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

That's the point of useful hobbies; amuse yourself with work that you don't mind doing and that is actually useful. If it's boring, fuck it.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

building batteries does not take a long time. an hour max.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yep

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

So far 'wasting time' teaching myself to code has made me a lot of money over the years. Skills sell. You don't have to buy skills.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I've been laying naked on the floor whilst browsing the internet since 7am

11 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 2

My hour (and burns from soldering) is worth more that the savings

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

As an engineer this took 30 minutes tops, once he received the batteries from ebay. Cut out two pieces, solder a few tabs, done.

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

The wait from eBay must be the exact same distance to the store or something

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Do you somehow think that while waiting for the parts he just sat in front of the door? Also, for some people, 30 minutes equals 4 dollars.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

For me sweetheart, 30 minutes is about $45. They don't call me JMoney arbitrarily.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

But different people get paid (staggeringly) different amounts, so the project may have been well worth his time. And besides it's HIS time.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And the you made your profile name... you and Imgur call you JMoney. I have no evidence of this being the case in the outernet.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

In two work days (days I don't have the time to scratch my nuts) amazon will ship to my house for free (prime) $34.99 vs $99 for 2 batteries

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well yeah, Amazon is good for that. I did Amazon Prime free for a month in December, it was AWESOME.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0