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zeiji
now it's about throttling content creating competition.
TimeRyderAndTheChronoTeens
Run into yet another net neutrality post:
stormtrooper412
even if this was true, US government doesn't give a shit about UN, they can simply overrule anything and nobody can say anything
DigitalBang
Speed Rate and cost of access are not terms of denial.
DidNotInhale
The comments about the UN on this post are fucking cluster fuck
Bigtuna7
Just like *checks books* literally all of our history, it’s about the money.
HD226868
They also said having kids is a human right. Big deal.
Grillparzer
The UN isn't a governing body, any declarations it makes are not binding.
andrewbert
Yeah because the UN has that kinda pull and "WTF Fun Facts" is an excellent source of information.
GlazedHamRiot
blitzMoonJumper
That's a cool diagram.
SugarTitillates
Heavily Throttling =/= disconnecting
XB0XYGEN
Dude wtf fun fact #7221 said this is illegal !!
gboigbhoy
it's easy to just say things
LurkaMel
I need to get off my phone anyways.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
I'm all for net neutrality, but this was literally just one committee giving recommendations. There was no vote at all.
TYCA
I'm not a huge for the public good type of guy but the internet changed our lives! It should be available to everyone like water! I can hope
Ghlain
Can they just charge Ajit with crimes against humanity already and call it a day? Please?
WoahMyDudeThatsCrazy
Since they aren't "taking away" the internet, it isn't breaking the rule
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Yep
Firenthehole
PAI Doesn't want you disconnected...he wants you to pay more so you can get your corporate filtered internet.
TheRealStalinWhoIsStandingUp
The US views international laws as more of suggestions
d0o0o0d
Treaties are international law. UN General Assembly resolutions are suggestions that are not binding on anyone.
h0tdoglatte
internet is a utility, just like electricity, and needs to be regulated as such.
minkuschild
I need electricy to pay bills... sorta like THEY need ME to have it... so why am I payong for it? Just like internet. Think debit machines.
buttbuttpartywagon
You don't need it to pay your bills you can do it all the old fashion way.
bdub7032000
The internet should stay a free trade of unregulated information. Otherwise we lose our voice and abilty to choose what info we get.
Tanwolf
If the internet is a utility, then all of the internet should be regulated as such, not just 1 end point.
h0tdoglatte
exactly.
pilojo
I say hand over all internet regulations to IEEE. Every country should let IEEE determine regulations.
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
Bruh, the internet would be absolutely fantastic.
pilojo
I think so. An organization that cares only about the advancement of technology should do well regulating it.
essentialyuseless
do you pay more for better electricity or better water or better firemen or better police or better roads (fuck toll roads)
FirstEdition
I mean, its about options. I wouldn't mind having a choice between a well-maintained toll rode or a free road that needs work
FirstEdition
The system we have now, most of the roads (at least near me) are shit. And they often have tolls too.
Isuckedalotofpenisforthisname
Why are you using WTF Facts as a source of info?
JHawke
I'm going to go with "Was browsing wtf facts, saw this and figured it was worth posting." over "Oh man I need some facts on topic x, lets >
JHawke
> go to WTF facts for info!"
TogNK
Yeah, I was cleaning my phone, saw this and legit wondered if it applied
JHawke
Go go gadget logic thoughts!
sendmeshirtlesskylorenmemes
And right to healthcare is a human right. Doesn't mean anything in USA either
SarDean
Broke my hand, needed an op, all I paid was my cab fare to and from because I can’t drive and my £2 painkillers. Less than £20 in total.
imgurforants
To give someone else healthcare should be an innate desire, but no one is owed services from another person.
thisisagoldfish
Build my highway bitch
imgurforants
Public roads are a wonderful thing and I think it's a thing the government should do....but it's not a human right either.
BrightSideOLife
How about the right to fair and speedy trial?
DidNotInhale
Habius corpus, that’s customary int’ law and is a fundamental, no derogable right
BrightSideOLife
Unless you are accused of terrorism that is...
CosmicCardinal
Just because you have a right to it doesn’t mean it’s free.
DoublevBomb
*laughs Canadianly* ...oh, I'm sorry. It just seems enough of you want it that way. Sorry. But seriously, it's fucked. Sorry.
GreaterDog
Majority of us want a single payer system that doesn't fuck us all over with overinflated prices on an inelastic commodity like
GreaterDog
staying alive. Polls show upwards of 70% of Americans are in favor, but it's the politicans that ardently oppose.
DoublevBomb
Few can be enough, as long as they're the ones with all the power, and stand to benefit from the current system more.
mydarlingvega
The whole thing makes me sad. Like genuinely sad.
fpierce1997
Lol, the UN has zero authority over the US decision to regulate the backbone of the Internet (all located in the US).
Rhannock
You self centered idiot. The backbone of the internet can't all be in the us. Do you even think before you open your mouth?
lmagine
Backbone of the internet? You watch too much South Park?
chuckinator119
“The U.N. Has zero authority” there fixed it
bgsteiner
Actually we dont the largest and most buisy internet exchange is in Amsterdam.
dragonherder
That's the thing. The US isn't opting to regulate the backbone. They are opting to deregulate the last mile providers. Tier 3 providers
dragonherder
are not the backbone of the internet. They just build hardware up in the "last mile" and have agreements with tier 1 and tier 2 operators
dragonherder
to work things out. They run lines/nodes regionally to tap into the actual backbones of level 3 and other tier 1 providers.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
ICANN has been moving pretty heavily away from.the US since like 2014 I think, specifically so the internet isn't tied to one country.
fpierce1997
But thats not the backbone of the Internet, which is still based in the US.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
Well, what do you mean by the backbone of the internet? I'd say the DNS system management and IP address assignments would be it.
DenaliRaven
Thanks Obama
warp10
For real though, thanks Obama
nonCanadianGoose
If it's reclassified as a utility like water & electricity then providers can regulate how the utility is used.
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nonCanadianGoose
That's the significance of the ruling. Water companies can't charge you more to wash car or bathe. As a utility it nullifies net neutrality
fpierce1997
How? Isn't that the point of net neutrality?
nonCanadianGoose
As a leading country in internet activity, it would be irresponsible to ignore it as a utility. Human rights violation.
chud37
Couldn't Facebook, Apple and Google and Netflix just move out of the usa though?
Binerexis
They could but they would have to pinky swear to stop using tax havens depending where they move to.
Feanor19
Yeah but with exception of google they don’t provide internet service. I’m lucky to be in a place with google fiber but the options are very
Feanor19
Limited in most of the country. Comcast and AT&T will fuck you over any chance they can
Rivalyn
I'm currently wondering just how many internet companies are going to relocate to nations with more amenable net neutrality legislation.
fpierce1997
Zero
th3p0x
It wouldnt matter. The ISPs would (theoretically) throttle whatever URL any company provides for US users, and they can easily monitor this
boobcat
That's because USA doesn't sign International treaties because it breaks them all, mainly warm crimes and human rights.
SlothMasterJ
They’ve actually signed many treaties but human rights ones have the least and weakest enforcement so US takes advantage all the time.
StrangePoster
So sad, so true
ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere
You sign them, you just don't ratify them.
Whowhointhepoo
Damn them and those warm crimes, fiddling with the thermostat and what not
JHawke
This is why europe is so much better than the US of A. EIGHTEEN DEGREES IS EIGHTEEN DEGREES.
MrMemethief
TheMovieGalaxyQuest
Warm crimes are now a thing
CausticCake
You are hereby charged with crimes against the warmth. How do you plead?
Kilahti
"Cool."
allihearisnoise
Not warmly your honour
rmiGod
Hummingbirdbandit
Not chilly.
BronzeLeaguePro
You can't break a treat you're not a signatory too though.
SlothMasterJ
If it’s customary international law then yes you can.
BronzeLeaguePro
Stop right there. If you're a sovereign country, how can you break a treaty you're not a part of?
SlothMasterJ
It's not so much a treaty as it is a norm. Parts of a treaty can become a norm and even other countries' laws can become a norm. 1/2
Ka7o
I'd break a treat, and give you half.
BronzeLeaguePro
It's very early, I haven't had enough sleep, and I can't quite English yet. :(
definitelynotawolf
Our government can’t even formally define terrorism because every definition they come up with would technically apply to us also
HomosexualNecrophiliacMallard
America. Founded by terrorists for terrorists.
JHawke
Theres not many countries that weren't founded by terrorists. Keep that in mind when you blow up the senate.
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Joint Publication 1-02, DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms, page 232 has the official US Government Definition for you.
Derptator
Lmao i actually went and downloaded the pdf haha, what is it actually blank for?
Derptator
Oh wait i looked at 202 in my pdf viewer I'm stupid
spookyactionatadistance
No it doesn't. They don't want to disconnect anyone
definitelynotawolf
Exactly. How else would they make all of the money?
Habbadax
They want to connect everyone but only to very specific things at grossly inflated prices to maximize their bottom line
afterdarkart
For a UN ruling to affect the US, it needs a 2/3rds majority vote by the Senate.
Fluffycorn
THATS LIKE CUTTING THE LEGS OFF AND SAYING YOURE STILL ALIVE !
GingerLaird
They want to control information, not disconnect it. You'll have access to whatever they deem appropriate, like helicopter parents...
Invada
That is debatable. If these things were that simple, there wouldn't be a need for professors of law, or the study of law in general.
Invada
Btw, I'm not saying you are wrong, because I wouldn't know. But it is at least not at simple as your comment presents it :)
Stratego89
No. They just want to control what you see, take your information, sell your information, overcharge you, and brainwash people.
StatisticallyInsignificantCanadian
"just"
MechanusIncarnate
Sounds like they found a loophole.
Stratego89
The current "government" in the us (if you can call it that) is doing everything in it's power to turn it into a communist dictatorship.
illegalacorn
son, do you know what words mean?
Ameatyloaf
I do werdz gud.
DenverTeesOff
They only want the ability to control what information you see
Sarcasticorjustanarse
I do wish politicians would stop seeing 1984 as a how to guide, I’m still waiting on trump to revise the dictionary -
Sarcasticorjustanarse
And the government to stamp out terrorism by saying terrorism is caused by wrong think, he’s how not to commit a thought crime.
Cereaza
I mean... in a way, all the internet is about that. There is censorship all over the web. There's so much content, something has to be 1st.
koopaya
Yeah but "the best stuff rises to the top" is much different than "watch/read this because you picked us as a provider"
aeonicentity
That's cute that you think Google puts only the best result at the top.
lordofthedice
You don't have to use just google. People use Bing for porn.
kojenk
Yeah, thats like comparing a car scratch to a train smashing into that same car and saying its the same thing so no bother.
SkippedOver
(Warning: Long) You're right plus: the UN didn't actually declare this. A UN appointee: stated in a report (not actually legally binding:1/?
SkippedOver
it's an argument for a series of suggestions) that it is against UN law for a government to cut access to the Internet from people is 2/?
SkippedOver
*for a series of suggestions he was making)
SkippedOver
against article 19, paragraph 3 of the OHCHR: which basically says you have the right to share your ideas and speech/writing, but with 3/?
SkippedOver
paragraph 3 stating (and I'm writing it in plain English here:) the government of a country can and has the right to remove access to 4/?
SkippedOver
platforms for expressing ideas if: it is violating intellectual property rights, libelous, a threat to national security, illegal, 5/?
OpieWinstonliveson
like the UN means anything
MaxweIIhaus
https://youtu.be/084irEAQrLQ
AuthorAD
It sets legal precedent which will be used in actual court cases
DidNotInhale
How r u being downvoted?
12rt2345g342563
The only time the UN means anything is when powerful nations like the US enforce their rulings. Without the US itself....good luck.
dealinwifscum
Love to meet up punk. Time for you to take knap
OpieWinstonliveson
You’re a daisy if you do
elizardo
Um. What does that mean?
thinkstop
Mackeroy
oh hey its the time machine
WilliamShatinher
UN = Useful for Nothing
DidNotInhale
Yeah totally, fuck CEDAW and UNCAT right?
TheBenevolentGeneralKrullAndHisGloriousNewRegime
Yes. They UN-Nazi'd the world. Brought to you by Carls Jr.
elizardo
Idiocracy
Burnworthy
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
otherzach
Sanction me. Sanction me with your army.... This is yellow cake bitch.
NoMeansNoBillCosby
TheBenevolentGeneralKrullAndHisGloriousNewRegime
Don't drop that shit
AlphaIndustrial
Dont worry. I got it wrapped up in this special CIA napkin
mikenashbash
It means United Nations look it up
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burn
Daddyfinger
EmporioIvankov
biggulpshuhwhelpseeya
Got em
FriskyDolphin
Whatyouregonnawannado
Source?
ScruffyWalrus
IfYouPlayWithFeathersYouGetYourArseTickled
frostwarrior
APenguinInATuxedo
EmporioIvankov
PuppermintJerryJr
This reply is gold.
OssiZ
DidNotInhale
I just want you to know that if this comment is sincere you’re incredibly wrong and just don’t understand int’ law or the UN.
OpieWinstonliveson
Mugabe as good will ambassador
Nitrobskt
140 characters isn't nearly enough to explain, but suffice it to say the UN is effectively powerless to enforce anything.
DidNotInhale
Then what about all the courts, tribunals and jurisprudence? Have you not heard of customary int’ law?
Nitrobskt
Any country can choose not to do what the UN says. It's fear of the power of other countries that enforces international law.
DidNotInhale
What do you mean by power? States settle disputes in the International court of justice
PuppermintJerryJr
It's just a club for the kids to talk about stuff they couldn't act on.
DidNotInhale
This is not right.
NotBigBrother84
The United Nations does a lot.. from promoting women rights, to fighting hunger. I am astounded your comment has gotten so many points.
RobertNAdams
(1) The UN does a lot, just not as much as it could. A lot of conflict is likely averted due to communication possible through the UN.
RobertNAdams
(2/2) There's also the matter of sharing resources & occasional combined military action (like in Somalia during the Black Hawk incident).
WoahMyDudeThatsCrazy
The UN acts on stuff all the time
OPS3C
Just not well and on most of the big problems
illegalacorn
lol like wha
Plurii
Once they said "hey guys can we not have nuclear weapons" but nobody cares so...
WoahMyDudeThatsCrazy
Like the gulf and Korean wars
OPS3C
You mean the US and some people they came with them? Talkong more about how nearly the entire continent of Africa has been war and poverty
Bstone1
It's because nobody wants it to. If it had more teeth people would throw a fit about the UN interfering with sovereignty, more than already.
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
The main reason the UN exists is to facilitate diplomacy between the 5 permanent security council members. Anything else is just a bonus
DidNotInhale
Int’ law is about compromise and working together.
FirstEdition
Its also because they do ridiculous shit like the Durban conferences. Supposed to be about racism but ends up just bashing Israel every time
SaintMaceToTheFace
Agreed
Lizardsoul
The word you are looking for is "discrimination" at most..racism does not apply to nationality or religious belief.
FirstEdition
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gave am address at Durban II, in which is said the holocaust was an "ambiguous and dubious question"
elizardo
Huh what does your statement mean? Can you rephrase it for clarity?
WellBehavedZombie
Ambiguous means inexact, and dubious is not reliable/doubtable. Basically calling into question if the holocaust happened.