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https://twitter.com/FalconryFinance/status/1624051231554510848?t=Zf5Qc9lNv0Ghc_A8T5qGUg&s=19
It's vinyl chloride, not poly vinyl.
Feb 14, 2023 5:17 AM
petrifiedgoblin1968
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https://twitter.com/FalconryFinance/status/1624051231554510848?t=Zf5Qc9lNv0Ghc_A8T5qGUg&s=19
It's vinyl chloride, not poly vinyl.
DrSchlepenstein
The company will get hit with a fine, do a half assed clean up job, and then do it again cause profits over people.
RenaissanceFaireMan
MrSnafleburger
But we dont need the EPA, says Republicans.
MrSnuffleupagus172
Don’t get your news from social media posts https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-ohio-evacuations-fires-5d399dc745f51ef746e22828083d8591
redditmcredditface
We dont have to wait for other countries to attack us, we will do that ourselves
Sinisfun
This is GOP America
brianingram
Thanks, Capitalism
crossingdynasty
At least the people responsible will get millions of dollars
prettydumb
why did the police "blow up" a dioxin cloud
DesignIsVeryHuman
'murica!
humblewordsmith
I'm from Ohio and I'm only going to say this once: we can destroy our state all on our own, thank you very much.
SophieClockwise
Coming soon: "The Supreme Court has ruled that Ohio was 'already like that when they got there'. Case dismissed!"
saucenes5
Ohio's right to not be poisoned is not deeply rooted in history
nightripper
Mankind is gonna have to engineer bacteria to remove the forever from forever chemicals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrosomonas_europaea
whyforetho
Can't put the genie back in the bottle, better release more genies.
CandleToad
I'm sorry, wait... what's that account, and why are they talking about this...?!
only90skidswillgetthis
Ok I'm interested, sell me on the falcon derivatives
notacobra
I don't like the term "forever chemical" it sounds childish and downplays the severity. I prefer: "near permanent carcinogrnic ecotoxin."
againdot
TLA>FLA. How about "Persistent Hazardous Substances"?
ps238principal
So for the police willing to cover for their corporate overlords, I'm for reducing their healthcare options, just as an object lesson.
Zega000
Police are there to protect and serve capital. People be damned, they legally don't have to help you. They protect the status quo. ACAB
florpglorp
Nothing we could have done to prevent this other than propper staffing and modern breaks but that would be less profitable, so RIP.
grundlewin
Goddamn. America is a shit hole.
Swedski33
That we are. Hey the billionaire class is doing well though. So the politicians are good.
dashcan
Containment Protocol.
XXXSpork
iNdUsTrIeS wIlL rEgUlAtE tHeMsElVeS!!!!
theGreat38
Shit, some of these look like they're out of HBO's Chernobyl
cbale2000
#1 This is a bit misleading, they burned the chemicals to prevent them from seeping into the water table or exploding. The one reporter...
cbale2000
... that was arrested was arrested for disrupting a news conference with the governor (not that I support it, but it wasn't without reason).
ricpaul
iirc he was doing live coverage and the governer began speaking in his background, long, LONG after the predicted start of gov's speech.
Mythmatic
That company needs to be dissolved of all assets to pay for all the lives it just damaged, and all execs should be prosecuted
ricpaul
I'll take "Things that will never happen" for 800$ Alex. /s
amk1031
Why would you blow it up?
whyforetho
It was beginning to self-polymerize, which is a self sustaining exothermic process. It was going to blow up on its own. Controlled explosion
whyforetho
was the lesser of two evils and time was of the essence.
EggsaretheDevil
Controlled burn with air monitoring says the EPA https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933
KrondorMocker
It was behaving erratically............................................................................................ oh and it was black
endo357
Damn. I hope you make top comment this was good
OliverOtter
Because it's safer. Otherwise it spreads into low points like ditches and basements, where it can then explode over a much wider area.
amk1031
That actually does make sense.
OliverOtter
It's sad, but spill response is often just choices of the lesser evil. Preventing them all is impossible, but minimizing them a must.
HellsHegemony
IrrationalNumber
Roses are red - Your city is gone - I'm Thomas the thermonuclear bomb
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fr0stbyte124
That would be Umami. Do yourself a favor and watch Interface while you're there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MBgz9h7GGM
RenegadeRed
Its actually not Polyvinyl chloride just vinyl chloride which burns at 8 degrees F :)
OliverOtter
That is much, much worse.
DigOldBingBong
Boils at 8F and is highly flammable. Tanks are pressurized to keep it liquid at ambient temp. Those train cars are basically bombs.
Krakencrotch
And burning it gives off hydrogen chloride, which then turns into hydrochloric acid when it touches (atmospheric) water.
Krakencrotch
Another byproduct is phosgene, which was used as a chemical weapon in WWI to the effect of some 85,000 casualties.
cinecito360
And yet, that shithole county votes republican, so there you go. Karma is a bitch.
Hendlton
Doesn't matter, they'll still blame the libs.
Datsinginguy
Yeah, but they're still innocent in this. I wouldn't wish this on anyone
saevon
pushing for "Libertarian" goals isn't very innocent, corporations need oversight and actual punishments. Also wouldn't wish this on anyone
Datsinginguy
Agreed on all points
tomatoboy
Here’s some non-social media story links: https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-ohio-evacuations-fires-5d399dc745f51ef746e22828083d8591
tomatoboy
https://apnews.com/article/law-enforcement-pennsylvania-mike-dewine-ohio-aca9f89f4b6afe701aabf9ffd2b53d0f
tomatoboy
https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-territories-ohio-canada-business-accidents-d57651e17b2f9e0163c50298106950a3
tomatoboy
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/08/1155570564/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment
alex5775
Funny how your sources got up voted but your explanation of how this post is lying got downvoted. PSA: if you're not checking that 1/
alex5775
New note on this: this user's other statement is no longer in the negative
alex5775
The sources agree with what you're reading and instead taking the fact that there's a link with a similar sounding headline as support 2/
idownvoteplottwist
the one "new" claim from this (i did see this on twitter) that has no citations/confirmation is animals dropping dead.
tomatoboy
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/residents-ohio-train-derailment-report-dead-fish-chickens-rcna70378
idownvoteplottwist
Thank you
tomatoboy
Basically, it sounds like a *few* people have reported dead animals, and there were fish killed in the nearby creek.
tomatoboy
So, it’s not entirely without a factual basis, but likely overstates the severity.
HumbabaEpic2
What do you think is going to happen when all of those FOREVER chemicals settle? Do you think that FOREVER chemicals disappear after a bit??
tomatoboy
(The severity of the existing reports of dead animals, not the *future potential* harm, since apparently that wasn’t clear enough)
RustyNeX
don't worry they will pay a big fine that will go into the pockets of someone other than those affected and it will be all good.
andsy
Don’t worry. The fine will look big to a normal person but will only be a fraction of the money they save by skimping on safety.
unluckyandbored
No they won't. They will pay a small fine and then chalk it up as "the cost of doing business"
RadicalRecluse
wow what a relief knowing that an entire state of people will suffer long term effects but at least someone got paid
Dontletthebedbugsbite2
Railroad unions voted to strike last fall over safety, among other things. Congress forced them to end the strike. This goes deep.
q2grapple
And in 30 years or so, the government will have to clean it up and pay the class-action lawsuits
Swedski33
That's the cost of doing business. It won't affect a thing.
SkynetAnnihilation
You mean they'll pay a big fine, file for bankruptcy, get a tax payer funder bailout, then the CEO gets a bonus.
johndoejersey05
They're going to spin off a small business unit that'll get saddled with the lawsuit and file for bankruptcy. Main corp profits will be fine
PoopSammich
Fines just mean it's legal for rich people
Ein0r
Best they can do is $3.50. And a tree in India.
memesarethebestever
and the execs will get a golden parachute
summersunshine420
to be fair, they DID offer each resident $5 for their troubles: https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1624119078804652039
summersunshine420
/s just in case it's really needed
Flodos
"Big"? It'll be a few million for a corp that made billions last year alone.
junkgoof
Probably not even millions. They’ll have the same people doing the same things again. Rich people and corps can’t lose.
RustyNeX
i mean big by normal human being standards. money that would be life changing for 90% of us
DorkJedi
no way they get fined $100.
StNickCage
99%*
tomatoboy
The reporter part attempts to suggest a coverup where none exists. A reporter was wrongly arrested for continuing his evening news feed…
alex5775
I don't like the use of "Chernobyling" either. I love hyperbole, but it has no place in the news.
alex5775
Not that I think Falconry Financial is necessarily news, but by reporting the incident like this they are reporting news
Nalianna
Define a new word for us, that describes the total destruction of the local environment. Bhopal'd ?
Nalianna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster
alex5775
Sometimes things are more complicated than one word can describe
tomatoboy
There also isn’t a media blackout.
imredheaded
Yeah... for all the claims of it being suppressed I've been reading a lot of it online and seeing it in the news.
staceyjorgenson31415
How is that acceptable ?
tomatoboy
I said like twice it was wrong. Did you read or just react?
tomatoboy
In fact it’s literally in the sentence you responded to, ffs.
tomatoboy
I’m saying the inference in this post that it was done for some cover-up is wrong, it was a very stupid dispute over manners, essentially.
tomatoboy
…in a location that interrupted the press conference the Governor was holding, and some local PD apparently overreacted.
tomatoboy
It had nothing to do with the story and was entirely somebody mistaking discourtesy with illegality.
tomatoboy
https://apnews.com/article/law-enforcement-pennsylvania-mike-dewine-ohio-aca9f89f4b6afe701aabf9ffd2b53d0f
NotMyUsualOnlineName
He didn't even interrupt anything, according to that AP article. Conference started 2 hours late, and through a sheer coincidence of shitty
NotMyUsualOnlineName
timing, was told to go live for an update at the same time as Dewine started speaking. Dewine even said he didn't see or hear anything
Clockworkdancerobot
Times Beach was uninhabitable for ~30 years. and that was just someone spraying dioxin tainted oil. They going to burn the entire state?
stupidbastardinutah
They should, I mean it is Ohio after all.
SteveTheEgg
Norfolk and Bidens coming, Unions are on their own. This February I heard the train wreck. 14,000 dead in Ohio.
cepacolusmaximus
well it's Ohio, so nothing of value would be lost
knowallknownothing
Let’s start there and then reevaluate the situation.
IsolatedAsshole
It's Ohio. Probably could use some burning.
TJCizadlo
Most of this is hyperbole, and AFAIK, no real long-term risks have been detected.
sowhat4
It's Ohio. I can't see a downside to this plan.
taurondir
It's just Ohio. I say we nuke it from orbit just to make sure.
taurondir
Judging by the downvotes, those people are not Aliens fans.
phyzzx
Kinda looks like they did that. But from electron orbit.
MasterMookie
Honest question. Was the chemicals intentionally burned or did it happen during the accident?
Raziel420
Both, derailment caused fire, tanks were broken open and drained into burn pits to prevent explosion, and prevent overflow into nearby water
TJCizadlo
Fire caused derailment first, and then the fire got big.
Raziel420
All they know is that the fire started miles before the cars toppled, they think it was brakes, could have derailed and been dragged
whyforetho
They were measuring increased temperatures, which means it was about to ignite on its own. So they blew it up in a more controlled way.
chromed
I was under the impression leaking PVCs directly into the groundwater was decided to be worse than the combustion by-products.
chromed
Honestly at that point the firefighters had no good options.
whyforetho
I'd bet groundwater was also a consideration. But it wasn't PolyVinyl Chloride, it was Vinyl Chloride, a thermally unstable monomer
AwesomeName
Who's going to miss Ohio?
dingoflickums
Mark kozelek
alcamar
Ohiwho?
Gayforbae
Uhhhh... Ohioans?
orangeyougladididntsaypoop
Me. Because i live here. I might be just far enoug away, though. We get our water from lake erie, at least; and not the river basin
jbaranski
Me too. Makes me nervous
orangeyougladididntsaypoop
Waiting for my wife’s chemo stuff to be done, then hopefully moving out of country
DichotomusPrime
This is ghoulish as fuck, dude. Millions, many of whom are kids and otherwise marginalized, might die. "lol sucks to suck" is not the play.
wheelersdealer
Alright smoothskin, keep that kind of attitude quiet or the ferals will come out. (/S obviously, this whole thing is a capitalist shitshow)
LastProphecy
Look at America, do you honestly think anything is going to happen except maybe a $5m fine?
lordofthedice
Black humor is a common coping mechanism and let's face it, this will be the play. They'll pretend it didn't happen ans most people won't >
lordofthedice
put two and two together when they start experiencing health problems.