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moxymox
As someone who uses wifi and bt everywhere, I don't have this problem in the slightest.
LetMePickMyTeethThenHaveMoreChips2
Dong.
Doomraider
Gotta buy more dongles.
DrewBerg
Hey look, it's people bitching about Apple! I've never seen that before! How insightful it is
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
PianoandPads
Looks like a fire hazard to me.
AlteredGhecko
It's not a "vision". It's a money grab.
Cheomesh
Oh it's a vision, alright. A vision of fat stacks of cash.
mogwaijeeper
I use zero dongles with mine. One cable hooks my laptop to my monitor, which serves as a docking station. Power, USB, all that good stuff.
serenityfast
Here's a fantastic idea: what if, WHAT IF, you had that USB-C port, AND all the other useful ports??? Like any other sane laptop design.
ChrisTallant
Trust me, the users don't like dongles, the techs hate them, the engineers (me) hate building packages for all of them, and sales too. #fail
ChrisTallant
With that being said, Apple isn't the only offender in this case. I have an HP Folio next to me with 2 USB C ports with the same problem.
Riddiculous
We need to find ways to pretty much get rid of interference, cheaply. I remember having a Bluetooth headset that near my PC 1/2
Riddiculous
Ended up dropping my internet speed a crap Ton. It was using wifi 2/2
ISupportYourViews
Browsing Imgur now from my new (used) MacBook Air with not a single thing plugged in.
serenityfast
Great, except that's the Air, a product designed for that purpose. The MBP is a PRO machine. And yet it's designed for literally no one.
ChristopherNixon
it's so convenient!
mottejoe
I too face the daily struggle of plugging USB headphones, two HDMIs, an ethernet cable and a Bluetooth keyboard when I'm on the go.
serenityfast
I too struggle with not wanting to carry 5 dongles JUST IN CASE I actually need one, and pray they don't break, get stolen, or lost.
tablecat
If this is what you regularly do, this laptop is obviously not for you. Jesus, guys.
serenityfast
It's not for anyone! Why the hell would you pay this much for a MBP if all you're gonna do is browse the internet? The MBP is for "PROS".
gweblurker
Why dont they call their ports "Applejacks"?
simpsr79
The new MacBook "Pro" isn't a professional laptop, it is prosumer at best. Form should always follow function.
odysseus
Isn't all that stuff the same shit my windows compatriots get when connected to their docking station...
Cheomesh
If you have a docking station it's just one bit - laptop to docking station.
msu14hockey
Does Mac not support docking stations? And, if a Windows laptop goes mobile, it doesn't need two extra adaptors to connect everything.
Kabibble
It does, but there are no thunderbolt 3 docks available yet. Soon tho!
madge71
I was a Mac user for 10+ years and just bought a Windows Asus. 1/3 of the price with many more features. Best decision I've made in a while.
23569072358345672
Until windows slows down to the point of being unusable then you have to reformat and reinstall. It's inevitable with windows. The worst os.
dunewolf
Not had to do that in awhile - just reboot the system and your good for a few week easy peasy - unless you have a virus or something like it
thoushaltnotpass
Wrong tool for the wrong job. I never have that many things to plug on my mbp, and if I had I'd use something else.
serenityfast
You carry different laptops around with you just in case? Must be a nice backpack you're wearing.
thoushaltnotpass
Don't be silly, I don't need all that cables when I'm on the go. I have a desktop on which I can plug everything I need when I'm home/office
serenityfast
That's sort of the point of a PRO machine though. To do work on the go, not for just browsing the internet.
Snooj
It's not bad if you travel a lot.
serenityfast
Right, it's worse. Cause then you gotta get a big bag of dongles to carry around and pray you don't lose or break.
Snooj
Depends on your needs. I need power and a mouse.
serenityfast
If only a "Pro" laptop was designed for people who actually want to do work with their laptops. Crazy, I know.
tablecat
If that's the case, the computer is not designed for you. It's that simple, really. Buy a computer that suits your need.
serenityfast
The point is that it is designed for professional usage. That's why it's called the pro!
Turbosnailz
Theres much better pcs than macs for professional usage
serenityfast
That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I am talking specifically macs.
Davidnfilms
dells doing the same thing. just setup a 7370 the other day. looked like this.
LizardLicker
True. But if we all used usb 3.1(type c) w/ thunderbolt 3 instead of HDMI, DP, Aux, etc. we wouldn't have this problem.
AnthonyPeterson
Dude, I can't run all my peripherals off of two ports. And you can't reliably run high speed, high resolution displays on it.
Turbosnailz
For gods sake you cant plug three things in
AnthonyPeterson
Hell, on my main PC I have a card reader (I do photography), two monitors, headphones and a microphone, a gamepad, and mouse+keyboard.
drksilenc
so the 3 standard usb ports a display port and charger? what other than a dock are you plugging in.
serenityfast
Yeah, having an SD card reader, a regular USB port, and a micro-HDMI totally makes this equivalent to Apple's crap.
narwhalhosting
I remember how much the anti Apple mob bitched when the iPhone was designed without a keypad. "Unusable, stupid, never catch on". Yep.
LetsTalkGameDesign
Nobody went out and bought six overpriced adapters to replace a keypad, did they? Think with your brain.
narwhalhosting
You're missing the point. Apple doesn't have a history of waiting for periph manufacturers to leverage new tech. Dongles are a stopgap 1/
narwhalhosting
But the future, and I'd wager a significant chunk of the current market is wireless.
IDontWannaSay
Thank you so much. I like to make the comparison with Sci fi movies. I don't see a lot of wires in them. We'll end up getting rid of them...
serenityfast
Pretending Apple can do no wrong is how we end up with shit like iTunes, Touch Bars, a laptop that costs $500 more with less battery...
narwhalhosting
Of course apple can do wrong. But there is a large community of people who like to think they're ALWAYS wrong.
narwhalhosting
Touch bars for example, what's wrong with Touch bars? Have they prevented functionality? Killed sales? They have uses, so what's wrong?
serenityfast
They drain battery live, massively increase cost, replace functionality (now you have to dig for function keys every time), etc.
serenityfast
And it provides absolutely nothing useful. Keyboard shortcuts shouldn't require staring at the keyboard, otherwise it defeats any benefit.
narwhalhosting
I thought I saw something where they were being used for video editing programs as a trim bar. Seems like it could be an intuitive control.
SengirArchangel
We recently got new phones and each time we went in the store the workers got visibly angry when you called them out on the adapters.
Chazwozza
Of course they would, you coconut. They don't design the phones. They're there to help you find shit, not be a company spokesperson.
IronicUsername
I'd get visibly angry too right around the point where the 48th customer that day scolds me about design choices I didn't make.
Sniper08
I assume it's because the workers don't have anything to do with the necessity for adapters...
Sniper08
... but at the same time it'd still be funny to see if they could defend the design choice.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
But they literally have nothing to do with the design choice, and probably don't even care. Even apple workers lol
SpendifferousLeo
My god you're the people they hate in retail. Making people frustrated for no reason.
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moxymox
"people in retail" is not a synonym for "sales people"
rizznay
dongle life... This is one of the many reasons I buy real computers instead of overpriced, over-designed garbage.
Kronzor
Yeah but then you can't use your computer in a coffee shop or other public place.
narwhalhosting
Ooh real computers. Tell us more.
lichenit
This is more of a hardware issue, which mac does have, refusal of a touchscreen, dongles, hard-drive and ram specs... shame
lichenit
Software on the other I do like and would have trouble switching to anything other than ubuntu which I have dual-boot, my windows 4 gaming
diperdi
Angle of the dangle... Errr...the dongle
mantha0n3
I love that movie. Craptastic :)
forelle
Fun-Fact: Functionality is part of good design. What apple does nowadays is not called design, it is called "styling".
EveryoneDownVotesMyEverything
That's just plain wrong, as a designer myself I have almost too much respect for how good they are at putting things together that work.
forelle
I am a designer too, and I disagree. Don't get me wrong the things look good from the outside, but there are some very questionable design ¹
forelle
decissions on the inside going on. Let's not mention how they delibaratly make things hard to be repaired (which is in my eyes bad design),²
forelle
but some stuff is just stupid (like not mounting the hinges onto the aluminum cast but onto an extra piece of metal inside, which reduces ³
serenityfast
Except when design wins over practicality. That should never happen. A 20% battery reduction for a few mm of thinness? Insane.
EveryoneDownVotesMyEverything
True, but they quote similar battery life because of new processors etc
serenityfast
Extensive tests show that it lost over 2 full hours of usage, and it shows. My old MBP runs circles around it on battery, despite being old.
serenityfast
Plus, the CPU was the only power saving thing. The AMD GPU chip uses more, the touch bar uses more, the brighter screen uses more.
ozington
So people prefer plugging in 6 things EVERY time? I'd probably do this even if I had 100usb sockets because it's a laptop and it gets moved!
serenityfast
False dichotomy. You can have a one-cable solution while ALSO providing HDMI, SD card reader, regular USB, etc. Apple chose not to, for $$$.
ozington
I have all of those and I still use a dongle because when I arrive at work I plug one USB in and that's it. I don't understand the problem.
serenityfast
The problem is you're locked into that solution. I don't want to carry a bag of dongles when I go on a work trip, dude.
ozington
Different solutions for different scenarios does not make the alternative an inferior product, there are apple laptops with ports too...
serenityfast
Furthermore, the only actual Macbook they sell with a regular USB is the old Air. Tell me how there's options now?
serenityfast
This is a pro machine. It's always had these ports, for PROS. Now there's nothing for them. Apple killed their professional market.
lonelystrandedalien
this actually works quite well for me. i need lots of stuff at my desk, but i have a usb 3 hub hidden away with network, sound, ... attached
nanyatenyaa
Meanwhile... Lenovo just makes a dock that plop the computer onto and then you have all the portal you need.
nanyatenyaa
Ports.. I fucking hate spell check.
lonelystrandedalien
those are great. sadly they don't have those for their yogas and other more portable laptops (i think). i mean, with the new ports, you can
lonelystrandedalien
run usb, ethernet, external graphics, multiple displays, all sorts of storage ... over a single port, so that's pretty much what your
lonelystrandedalien
docking station does. the ergonomics of having to plug in a cable is inferior, though (even if it's just a single one that does power, too)
lonelystrandedalien
i mean, with the new thunderbolt/usb-c/hybrid ports in the recent macbooks.
lonelystrandedalien
I got an (older) macbook pro with 2x thunderbold, 2x usb, so i still have one usb, one display port and power to unplug when i remove my
lonelystrandedalien
laptop. i do that a few times a day, so i'd be pretty happy if that was just a single cable. at any rate, i wouldn't use 37 ports, since
lonelystrandedalien
that'd be such a hassle to plug/unplug all the time... not quite sure about the new pros, at least a single "conventional" usb port would
lonelystrandedalien
have been great for usb keys and the like. apart from that, i think it's a step in the right direction. i keep an ethernet adapter in my
lonelystrandedalien
bag and haven't used it in ages, so i personally can't fault them on that omission either. i'll be curious to see how this plays out.
serenityfast
Gee, wouldn't it be nice if it was OPTIONAL? It's not like you couldn't do this while also having: HDMI port, SD card reader, regular USB.
lonelystrandedalien
i think theres lots of electronics behind those new ports. i guess there's not a lot of empty space on the inside of those computers.
lonelystrandedalien
might be you can either have all of today's ports, or have those things. and the way those ports work, i guess these things have more i/o
lonelystrandedalien
bandwidth (on a generic port even) than any other laptop i know of, by a large margin. these things are external pci express ports than can
lonelystrandedalien
drive displays and talk to usb devices too ... i guess you could use that to do neat things (external graphics cards that actually perform?)
serenityfast
They had the ports on there before, so yes, they can fit them. They could fit both old and new without issues.
lonelystrandedalien
no, they didn't. they had two tb2 ports, those are tb3 (2x the bandwith, plus native usb, plus <=100W power, 2x the displayport lanes, ...)
lonelystrandedalien
and they got four, with all the necessary hardware to allow for lots of direct CPU access features on all four of them, simultaneously.
serenityfast
As an owner of a 15" MBP, yes, they totally frickin' did. Plus, tons of laptops have USB-C, HDMI and USB-A without problems.
MightAsWellBeCanadian
As someone who owns a Mac, I want this to rise so people can see how broken Apple is.
Thuperduper
I freaking love my Air, but it's an older one with USB ports. I hope it never breaks because the new computers are shit
tommyfever
No one who will believe Apple is broken doesn't already know it, while anyone yet to figure it out will refuse to believe.
DespiseEveryone
Payed a company a lot of money for their products, want to use this to proof company is broken. Something is broken alright.
TheodoreCragLagoon
Solution, stop buying their products.
HarryHamwallet
Buying a Macbook is more of a fashion accessory than functional tool, go to college and every brat has a Macbook
Gymnopedies
People need to realize this. When you buy a table, sometimes you want it to look nice. You don't need every drawer and folding features
PaganUniform
Honestly I kept buying them cause it was easy and accessible. Not getting the 7, next phone will be something else
Dispari
People don't buy Apple for the functionality, they buy it for the status symbol.
BurnsDream
what status, stupidity status?
AndIThinkToMyselfWhatAWonderfulWorld
I don't know why you were downvoted, it's true- Apple is a designer brand
howwouldyoudescribeyourself
I respectfully disagree. Just bought a new MacBook Air after thoroughly testing a Lenovo Yoga and just not getting warmed up to it ...
BobRossHappyTrees
Bull. MacOS is a great operating system for developers, and my Air that I bought 3 years ago is still in tip top shape. Having said that...
BobRossHappyTrees
...Sierra has been a train wreck, and I do not support Apple making money off dongles.
scaylos
*Linux is a great operating system for developers.
BobRossHappyTrees
Right, and OS X is the power of unix on top of a UI that doesn't suck or look like ass
scaylos
And a workstation software stack that is less flexible less like a server. Personally, not fond of the OSX UI either but it is pretty.
MackerelTex
Wait but what am I seeing here? For example, at work we never have a problem. Is this more in IT where it's a problem?
SomeRandomSuckerStoleDrPyroFromMe
IT with respect for themself don't use mac.
randomitguy
My mobile unit is a hopped HP Equivalent to a Surface Pro 2 (Elite x2) and I love it. Pro HP desktop on my desk - I.T. Guy.
randomitguy
I had a 2011 Macbook Pro but we got away from them after that because they had less cpu power but longer batteries. We need the cpu speed.
nanyatenyaa
It's problem for proffesional users, who need to do more than just the basics, which is who apple markets to.
nanyatenyaa
Apples cause there own special stupid IT issues... but for the most part, administrators don't use apple products.
scaylos
Sys Admin here. I hate when I have to help someone with an Apple product. Servers are much kinder. Even when they fall catastrophically.
MackerelTex
Yeah our IT guy hates the adapting issues, and I really feel for him. I still love how my Mac works though.
nanyatenyaa
Apples cause issue on the back end, with infrastructure... they don't play nice with anything.
skybejef
Looks like Apple is doing it right. Less ports means selling more overpriced accessories.
FearMeMeow
Yeah. Actually, marketing wise it makes sense. Wireless with futuristic ideas, and two ports that can connect to any wired devices.
FearMeMeow
Not saying I love it, but it makes sense to get people to accept it.
SunshineAndNihilism
Fun fact - if you want to listen to music on, charge and sync your iPhone 7 simultaneously, you need 2 cables and 3 adapters totalling $74.
ItsZones
yet people are dumb enough to buy it, thinking its the best thing out there
Lyrian
Geez, that's much more than I thought it was! Like an idiot tax for consumers!
Tamaska
Wouldn't it charge while syncing?
SunshineAndNihilism
Well I'm talking about the MacBook with only one port, which can only supply power or data, not both.
SunshineAndNihilism
*from the new MacBook
Kronzor
Yeah, so add another $1899.00 minimum
LordPuck
Or, you could not listen to music while it syncs, and by a $5 adapter to listen and charge. 1/2
LordPuck
2/2 I bought the iPhone 7, and honestly, I don't really even notice the differences. I have the adapter and I've used it once in 3 mo.
serenityfast
Don't forget the extra $500 you paid in premium for this year's model MBP. So yeah, how's that deal working out?
LordPuck
Don't own a MacBook Pro. Have a PC. Didn't feel like learning a completely new operating system.
serenityfast
What's that have to do with my point?
RetroBlast
But...but the laptop is .12mm thinner!
TehGuard
funny thing is apples excuses and then you see an acer laptop that's thinner with full i/o
FlightRisk3154
.12nm*
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woodjoiner
newton meter is a unit of torque and is Nm not nm
WhatzitTooya
I guess the nano prefix is NEW TO you. Ha. Get it? Cause it almost sounds like newton.. Yeah, no need to FORCE me out the door.
CoopBro
Because what professional needs 32 gigs of RAM, a bigger battery, or USB ports?
thefunbatman
Well not that many people really need 32 gigs of RAM. 16 is plenty for even very heavy users. Also, most laptops are around 4 or 8.
akira03
way to miss the point
thefunbatman
You know, funnily enough, it is possible to make a counterpoint while still agreeing with the sentiment of the initial point.
dunewolf
I have 32 gigs of ram in my gaming PC o.O
CoopBro
There are some people who do need it and the option to be able to upgrade would be a lot better than saving a few parts to an inch
killyourown
Both audio and video users need plenty of ram.
thefunbatman
Im an architecture student who enjoys some gaming and does plenty of rendering and visual stuff and 16 gigs is plenty unless I'm showing off
killyourown
Rendering is pretty much entirely about course horsepower.
CoopBro
How much dedidaded WAM do I need to run a server?
Muttons1337
Ha forgot about that kid. Made me laugh +1
whyteraven74
Here's the thing, I can open up my laptop and upgrade the memory, that's not an option with a MacBook.
thefunbatman
Yeah, that's good. I'm merely saying that 32 gigs of RAM is generally overkill and infrequently offered in most laptops anyways.
whyteraven74
Doesn't explicitly need to be offered, many laptops give you the option to upgrade to it. The lack of upgradeable RAM on MacBooks is...
CaptainMiffles
the world is very much ready for apples "buy all our expensive shit just to achieve basic functionality" motto to die in the hole it's from.
LordOfTheMullets
You know what I don't get? Why all those windows pc users have to get a new laptop every two years when I've had my MacBook for 7 years.
MrRidiculous
I have a mac book pro for work and day to day stuff, and a MSI gaming laptop. Different strokes for different folks!
Tiddlywanker
I come from the future to let you know they removed the headphone jack and made everyone buy 120 dollar wireless headphones.
galilchan
Work for best buy my sales pitch is now "you'll buy it for the logo, the specs don't mater." Most people are just like "lol you're right"
suddentwitch
Does less, costs more, its that easy
Blkmagik12
Former Apple MacBook Pro user - I had one for 6 years and while slow it was ok. Their last "update" fried my motherboard.
Pornegranate
Everyone hates dongles and Apple knows that. They're taking it for the team (the whole industry) by accelerating the adoption of USB-C.
serenityfast
I think you mean Apple diehards are taking it for the team. Apple's laughing all the way to the bank on this.
tylor
Used to be if a company was going to rape you on razor blades they would at least cut you a deal on the razor.
ArtOfKarolMichalec
I've been using same MacBook Pro for 7 years. How long do Microsoft laptops last?
KhaoticKing
Just as long if you don't buy a 300$ laptop and expect it to be good. It's not like the hardware inside is that different..
Turbosnailz
Any windows computer for the price of a mac is st least three times better
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
I'm not an apple fan, but a universal push for USB-C would be wonderful
serenityfast
And Apple gets all their sucker customers to make that happen. Pay $500 more than last year for a laptop that can't be used as intended.
Pornegranate
Nobody's putting a gun to your head and making you buy one. STFU and let the free market do whatever it does.
serenityfast
No, but they ARE making me switch ecosystems, as I used to be a Mac user. It's a shitshow for pros.
VeinyFleshtTrumpet
Finally convinced my mom to stop buying apple headphones for her iPad. Took 4 pairs dying in 6 months to change her mind.
EClaire1073
My Apple earbuds have lasted almost 4 years. If I didn't have Samsung's super-comfy rubber coated ones, I'd still be using Apple's.
thisnameisntfunny
Was she running them through the wash? The only thing thats ever killed my earbuds has been the cat.
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
Apple makes quality goods... just over priced quality goods
sunyudai
Apple makes reasonable quality goods that they tell you is excellent quality.
VeinyFleshtTrumpet
I'm not saying their shit is the best or worst, I am saying that they should come with a declared expiration date cause it always fails.
sunyudai
That's referred to as a "Warranty Date"
whovianspartans
Ssshhhhh!!! Apple people strongly stand by its products and get genuinely testy (the few people I've talked to. I'm sure it's not everyone)
gorgeousninja
How's that floppy disk, Zip drive, cd tray going? Just that some people really thought you couldn't get rid of them.. until Apple
killernerd
uhm, I believe the floppy/zip simply were outdone by cd and those in turn died as digital content took over. Nothing to do with apple.
IcandowhateverIlike
Well duh, if I blew that much money on something that could do that little I'd be bitter and defensive too
ForgotMyOtherAcct
As an iphone owner, I think apple is kinda becoming shit. Ofc, it's an iphone 4s, which is 5 years old, and I'm juuust about to buy android
Cheomesh
One of my coworkers has only apple desktops and still dislikes them.
Atalung
I had a class with a guy who damn near worshipped apple products.
killernerd
Knew one too. Weird guy, he had so many issues with his mac (environment was set up for windows) but still refused to switch.
entillandersson
Im an Apple user (even got a Mac Pro for work) and I absolutely hate the directions they are taking.
LordRegal
Same. Actually just bought my first windows machine to replace my slowly dying 2009 MacBook. The new Pro is too disappointing to consider
ds2423
Same here, Mac user since 2005
XombieKing
I use an iPhone. I'm so ready to be done with this god damn phone. I've made a terrible mistake. Google Pixel here I come.
whovianspartans
Whats that? I'm not much into technology. I tell my SO what I'm looking for and he basically points me in the right direction
bentwrenches
Iv'e been looking into that phone, let me know.\
XombieKing
I'll be sure to keep you in mind. My memory is pretty crappy but I'll make an attempt. Could take a few months :/
scaylos
Pixel XL is quite nice, as one who likes phablets. Still miss my Note though :(
bentwrenches
I wouldn't get the XL, trying not to go bigger. I'm on droid turbo now, I'd love the pixel? Any problems?