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(originally posted by @Tonightat11DOOOOM on 2021-06-23 13:50:45)
n0n53n53
"have you tried working out and losing weight?" - idiots
katwilmb
As usual, you can tha nk the Republicans for that .
Userlivewire
Basic healthcare shouldn't be for profit.
daddydeezy
As the owner of a diabetic cat, I can vouch for this. The insulin prices are ridiculous
Yakofalltrades
Basically, every capitalist should be ripped apart in the streets. Baby steps.
Dustfinger4268
Don't worry, insulin only costs *reads notes* up to $1000 per vial now! So two series X :)
Bullheadbelly
I would just buy the Xbox and perish
chewybrian
"He died doing what he loved..."
jrabbitmusic
ConsumerAffairs
wotemer
Yeah, I like my "sOcIaLiSt" country(Germany). Probably got 10k$ in Insulin in my fridge. Cost me ~100€. Even without insurance, price would
be 10€ per vial. No price gouging in europe. Still, 50% of Americans vote to be poor and die and stuff. Shame.
JayMalcom
This has got to be a joke I am to European to understand right? Right???
Aquilarden
But I don't even like X Box!
MurdockTheHawk
I don't even want to buy 1 xbox series s
bourbonandbaddecisions
Shouldn’t cost you more than a Hershey bar.
Evo435
Don't worry it won't always cost as much as an Xbox Series S. The price of consoles always go down over time.
BitchButcher
Don't you have drug dealers in USA who smuggle stuff across the ... northern boarder?
Azazellosarmour
I’m surprised we don’t here more about insulin smuggling
GuillotinesRUs
May I suggest guillotines..Hard to price gouge sick people or block laws that would help without a head.
DaBaiMa
Have you tried praying? It worked on my elephantiasis
drdildamesh
Don't compare drugs to consoles. You'll give the pharm execs the idea to trickle supplies to create artificial demand.
DarkZalgo
But that's what they already do. That's exactly why medicine is so expensive.
ithoughtisawa2
still surprised that there are no medical US refugees heading to Europe with a working healthcare - not yet, or did it already start ?
tomatoboy
It’s actually not as easy for Americans to move to Europe as many people assume.
MaryFish
Maybe medical asylum will become a thing for diabetics in the coming future, but I doubt it. Most just expect us to die.
Maestr055
Move to a civilized country until they get the message. Or change the sysytem.
Yeah most people can't realistically do either of those my dude.
Millions of refugees do, without anything but a need... Right? People CAN, they just don't THINK they can, or should.
?? By doing what? Specifically? What significant change can a normal dude realistically accomplish and by doing what?
Specifically differs per situation. But physically moving seems necessary in most cases.
So you think vague notions of people doing something will make the monumental change needed in American society?
lightfoot2
Remember, there is the list price, the "coupon" price, the "insurance doesn't cover it but you have insurance" price and $5. Which is right?
ravajh
The coupons that I printed actually raised the price?…
Neat! Over list price or insurance price?
Over list price. My dog has diabetes, so it’s a canine prescription for human insulin. My insurance ? is not applicable .
brianingram
The US Healthcare system's business model is literally "your money or your life." Fuck Capitalism
bubbawasmybestgoodfriend
but if US diabetics don't pay the value of an Xbox every week for the rest of their lives, how will insurance execs afford their 4th yacht?
secondgoaround
True. Fair point.
dirrrtypiratehookerrr
I havent thought of that before, they earned that 4th yacht! Its not fair for us to ask them not to gouge us. They give us yachting jobs.
sinskittles
4th yacht this quarter*
Pyllymysli
If you work hard, give your everything every day, sacrifice your health and well being, in just under 2 years your boss can have a new car.
FlissFloss86Gaming
And how will they continue employing ppl specifically to deny your insurance claims? Some people just don't think about the important things
DiamondDogLedTasso
5th*
DarkZoma
6th*
meltedfaceguy
Yes it’s a little tiny yacht that can be parked in the back of big one
bindedig
Inflation is greedy companies
Mewmus
costs you or the insurance company? they charge different prices
simplefishy
https://costplusdrugs.com/
soThatWasThat
Spread the word. They are relying on word of mouth so they can keep costs VERY LOW, not spending on ads.
They do not have insulin there.
IAteYourCola
Yet
RoninOni
Yeah, hopefully this is on their short list for expansion, but they need to become popular for the system to work
sewinggrl
Doesn't insulin need to be refrigerated? Can it be mailed out to people?
Sthawwaths
No, it has to be thrown really hard
jargonmon
Guess Insulin hasn't hit the Cuban pharmacy store yet? Shame.
No, Cost Plus does not do insulin yet.
wandermanspacebot
What?
Mark Cuban. I should have clarified
chloramphenicolderivative
Cuban the investor, not the country
speedbump9286
costplusdrugs.com. Mark Cuban started an online pharmacy with insanely low costs
Mark Cuban started a pharmacy company that sells *some* medications for their cost plus a fixed 15% margin. It doesn’t carry insulin yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_Plus_Drugs
uatu401
Do you know how many times I have thought about sitting in front of Lilly HQ, refusing to take my insulin, until I either die or kicked off?
Solvedmind
Or worse. Be sent a ambulance and be in debt
I'll join you. Sick of this shit.
Before somebody comes an says it, not all diabetics can manage their diabetes* with the cheap, basic insulin that’s available at Walmart.
penzick
Discount cards for insulin whether you're insured or not: https://imgur.com/account/favorites/4mbxl19 We save >$220 a month!
^and
Mithi
Oh they could. They might lose a foot or leg or go blind ... but there is always something, innit?
Northwindlowlander
Yup. You can't even get the insulin that walmart sells here any more, it's an outmoded product which means it's more expensive to provide it
than it would be to provide the better insulin but have better health outcomes. I used to use much the same product, 20 years ago. But thats
because we don't have healthcare-for-profit so the provider is incentivised not to make you sicker. Whereas healthcare-for-profit is very
happy if your feet drop off and you need laser eye surgery and they can sell you the treatment.
My dog was recently diagnosed as diabetic. It took me over 4hrs to find a pharmacy that sold the Humulin N (they only sold R)… 1/2
danishjuggler21
Don’t dogs need Dogulin N?
Finally found it for $130.00. Was told that Walmart had it for $25 (no Walmart stocked it). The worry insulin dept. people must have…awful
Omnimorph2112
I read that as insulin department people and was worried.
Sorry, character limits. I meant insulin dependant.
fishmaceins
You can buy insulin at Walmart? US truly is a strange country...
Ended up being the easiest place to get Covid vaccinations as well (& I live in a large city (1 million +)).
It’s where I got mine, drove two hours to get the first two. My booster was local, however.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
And easiest place to get Covid .
Most large grocery stores and big box stores have in-store pharmacies. It’s not like, on a shelf with the potato chips.
Ah ok, makes sense
No, it's in the aisle with the cookies and candy
Ericcantona7
This is why I've accidentally injected cookies into my ass cheek a few times
Then I don't understand why there is a difference in quality
It's not a quality thing, it's a different type of insulin altogether. Not all insulin is meant to work the same.
Different type of insulin. Walmart and many other pharmacies sell very basic insulin at fairly low prices. The problem is it’s only…
…useful for some patients. It’s not a lesser quality product, it’s just not the insulin some people need.
*yes, they can stay alive for a while, but some people cannot achieve reasonable control, or at least reasonable control with a normal life…
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Yes but as a type 1 diabetic i can tell you this person must be using a TON of insulin. Like basically carbo loading. Out of pocket is about
2 xboxes a month. They are talking double that.... which is kinda crazy.
It’s not unheard of for *some* patients to require six vials a month. Considering some of them are $300+ a vial now, it’s not impossible…
…but this person is an edge case. That said, edge cases were exactly my point.
…with basic insulin, and really DO require the expensive stuff to avoid labile blood sugars.
alpacasaurusrex
My friend said the most expensive part of diabetes for her isn’t even the insulin. It’s everything else. She’s on a pump so it’s all the
other bits. And it’s slowly bankrupting her. She works for the fucking IRS & has gov healthcare. Wtf. I hate this place.
(And yes, I’m 100% sure somebody will argue this point anyway)
I hope you're wrong
For them, the cheap stuff is at best an emergency stopgap. It isn’t a long term solution.
GlowGreen
I don't understand how these people can still live here. I would be trying to move to literally any other country asap.
SlightlyStoopidBear
If you're paying $4-700 in insulin alone already, how will you scrape up enough to move out of the country?
ILiekToCookAndBake
Type 1 here. This is very true. Novolog is all that works for me, and it costs $386 w/o insurance. The insurance is 488.11 a month.
dutchros236983
You should look into patient assistance programs. They help low income folks get medication for free or low cost.
And that only lowers the costs to $80 a month. Plus the pump supplies it's about $780 a month to stay alive.
n0n53n53
"have you tried working out and losing weight?" - idiots
katwilmb
As usual, you can tha nk the Republicans for that .
Userlivewire
Basic healthcare shouldn't be for profit.
daddydeezy
As the owner of a diabetic cat, I can vouch for this. The insulin prices are ridiculous
Yakofalltrades
Basically, every capitalist should be ripped apart in the streets. Baby steps.
Dustfinger4268
Don't worry, insulin only costs *reads notes* up to $1000 per vial now! So two series X :)
Bullheadbelly
I would just buy the Xbox and perish
chewybrian
"He died doing what he loved..."
jrabbitmusic
ConsumerAffairs
wotemer
Yeah, I like my "sOcIaLiSt" country(Germany). Probably got 10k$ in Insulin in my fridge. Cost me ~100€. Even without insurance, price would
wotemer
be 10€ per vial. No price gouging in europe. Still, 50% of Americans vote to be poor and die and stuff. Shame.
JayMalcom
This has got to be a joke I am to European to understand right? Right???
Aquilarden
But I don't even like X Box!
MurdockTheHawk
I don't even want to buy 1 xbox series s
bourbonandbaddecisions
Shouldn’t cost you more than a Hershey bar.
Evo435
Don't worry it won't always cost as much as an Xbox Series S. The price of consoles always go down over time.
BitchButcher
Don't you have drug dealers in USA who smuggle stuff across the ... northern boarder?
Azazellosarmour
I’m surprised we don’t here more about insulin smuggling
GuillotinesRUs
May I suggest guillotines..Hard to price gouge sick people or block laws that would help without a head.
DaBaiMa
Have you tried praying? It worked on my elephantiasis
drdildamesh
Don't compare drugs to consoles. You'll give the pharm execs the idea to trickle supplies to create artificial demand.
DarkZalgo
But that's what they already do. That's exactly why medicine is so expensive.
ithoughtisawa2
still surprised that there are no medical US refugees heading to Europe with a working healthcare - not yet, or did it already start ?
tomatoboy
It’s actually not as easy for Americans to move to Europe as many people assume.
MaryFish
Maybe medical asylum will become a thing for diabetics in the coming future, but I doubt it. Most just expect us to die.
Maestr055
Move to a civilized country until they get the message. Or change the sysytem.
DarkZalgo
Yeah most people can't realistically do either of those my dude.
Maestr055
Millions of refugees do, without anything but a need... Right? People CAN, they just don't THINK they can, or should.
DarkZalgo
?? By doing what? Specifically? What significant change can a normal dude realistically accomplish and by doing what?
Maestr055
Specifically differs per situation. But physically moving seems necessary in most cases.
DarkZalgo
So you think vague notions of people doing something will make the monumental change needed in American society?
lightfoot2
Remember, there is the list price, the "coupon" price, the "insurance doesn't cover it but you have insurance" price and $5. Which is right?
ravajh
The coupons that I printed actually raised the price?…
lightfoot2
Neat! Over list price or insurance price?
ravajh
Over list price. My dog has diabetes, so it’s a canine prescription for human insulin. My insurance ? is not applicable .
brianingram
The US Healthcare system's business model is literally "your money or your life." Fuck Capitalism
bubbawasmybestgoodfriend
but if US diabetics don't pay the value of an Xbox every week for the rest of their lives, how will insurance execs afford their 4th yacht?
secondgoaround
True. Fair point.
dirrrtypiratehookerrr
I havent thought of that before, they earned that 4th yacht! Its not fair for us to ask them not to gouge us. They give us yachting jobs.
sinskittles
4th yacht this quarter*
Pyllymysli
If you work hard, give your everything every day, sacrifice your health and well being, in just under 2 years your boss can have a new car.
FlissFloss86Gaming
And how will they continue employing ppl specifically to deny your insurance claims? Some people just don't think about the important things
DiamondDogLedTasso
5th*
DarkZoma
6th*
meltedfaceguy
Yes it’s a little tiny yacht that can be parked in the back of big one
bindedig
Inflation is greedy companies
Mewmus
costs you or the insurance company? they charge different prices
simplefishy
https://costplusdrugs.com/
soThatWasThat
Spread the word. They are relying on word of mouth so they can keep costs VERY LOW, not spending on ads.
DarkZalgo
They do not have insulin there.
IAteYourCola
Yet
RoninOni
Yeah, hopefully this is on their short list for expansion, but they need to become popular for the system to work
sewinggrl
Doesn't insulin need to be refrigerated? Can it be mailed out to people?
Sthawwaths
No, it has to be thrown really hard
jargonmon
Guess Insulin hasn't hit the Cuban pharmacy store yet? Shame.
tomatoboy
No, Cost Plus does not do insulin yet.
wandermanspacebot
What?
jargonmon
Mark Cuban. I should have clarified
chloramphenicolderivative
Cuban the investor, not the country
speedbump9286
costplusdrugs.com. Mark Cuban started an online pharmacy with insanely low costs
tomatoboy
Mark Cuban started a pharmacy company that sells *some* medications for their cost plus a fixed 15% margin. It doesn’t carry insulin yet.
tomatoboy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_Plus_Drugs
uatu401
Do you know how many times I have thought about sitting in front of Lilly HQ, refusing to take my insulin, until I either die or kicked off?
Solvedmind
Or worse. Be sent a ambulance and be in debt
MaryFish
I'll join you. Sick of this shit.
tomatoboy
Before somebody comes an says it, not all diabetics can manage their diabetes* with the cheap, basic insulin that’s available at Walmart.
penzick
Discount cards for insulin whether you're insured or not: https://imgur.com/account/favorites/4mbxl19 We save >$220 a month!
tomatoboy
^and
Mithi
Oh they could. They might lose a foot or leg or go blind ... but there is always something, innit?
Northwindlowlander
Yup. You can't even get the insulin that walmart sells here any more, it's an outmoded product which means it's more expensive to provide it
Northwindlowlander
than it would be to provide the better insulin but have better health outcomes. I used to use much the same product, 20 years ago. But thats
Northwindlowlander
because we don't have healthcare-for-profit so the provider is incentivised not to make you sicker. Whereas healthcare-for-profit is very
Northwindlowlander
happy if your feet drop off and you need laser eye surgery and they can sell you the treatment.
ravajh
My dog was recently diagnosed as diabetic. It took me over 4hrs to find a pharmacy that sold the Humulin N (they only sold R)… 1/2
danishjuggler21
Don’t dogs need Dogulin N?
ravajh
Finally found it for $130.00. Was told that Walmart had it for $25 (no Walmart stocked it). The worry insulin dept. people must have…awful
Omnimorph2112
I read that as insulin department people and was worried.
ravajh
Sorry, character limits. I meant insulin dependant.
fishmaceins
You can buy insulin at Walmart? US truly is a strange country...
ravajh
Ended up being the easiest place to get Covid vaccinations as well (& I live in a large city (1 million +)).
tomatoboy
It’s where I got mine, drove two hours to get the first two. My booster was local, however.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
And easiest place to get Covid .
tomatoboy
Most large grocery stores and big box stores have in-store pharmacies. It’s not like, on a shelf with the potato chips.
fishmaceins
Ah ok, makes sense
chewybrian
No, it's in the aisle with the cookies and candy
Ericcantona7
This is why I've accidentally injected cookies into my ass cheek a few times
fishmaceins
Then I don't understand why there is a difference in quality
DarkZalgo
It's not a quality thing, it's a different type of insulin altogether. Not all insulin is meant to work the same.
tomatoboy
Different type of insulin. Walmart and many other pharmacies sell very basic insulin at fairly low prices. The problem is it’s only…
tomatoboy
…useful for some patients. It’s not a lesser quality product, it’s just not the insulin some people need.
tomatoboy
*yes, they can stay alive for a while, but some people cannot achieve reasonable control, or at least reasonable control with a normal life…
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Yes but as a type 1 diabetic i can tell you this person must be using a TON of insulin. Like basically carbo loading. Out of pocket is about
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
2 xboxes a month. They are talking double that.... which is kinda crazy.
tomatoboy
It’s not unheard of for *some* patients to require six vials a month. Considering some of them are $300+ a vial now, it’s not impossible…
tomatoboy
…but this person is an edge case. That said, edge cases were exactly my point.
tomatoboy
…with basic insulin, and really DO require the expensive stuff to avoid labile blood sugars.
alpacasaurusrex
My friend said the most expensive part of diabetes for her isn’t even the insulin. It’s everything else. She’s on a pump so it’s all the
alpacasaurusrex
other bits. And it’s slowly bankrupting her. She works for the fucking IRS & has gov healthcare. Wtf. I hate this place.
tomatoboy
(And yes, I’m 100% sure somebody will argue this point anyway)
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
I hope you're wrong
tomatoboy
For them, the cheap stuff is at best an emergency stopgap. It isn’t a long term solution.
GlowGreen
I don't understand how these people can still live here. I would be trying to move to literally any other country asap.
SlightlyStoopidBear
If you're paying $4-700 in insulin alone already, how will you scrape up enough to move out of the country?
ILiekToCookAndBake
Type 1 here. This is very true. Novolog is all that works for me, and it costs $386 w/o insurance. The insurance is 488.11 a month.
dutchros236983
You should look into patient assistance programs. They help low income folks get medication for free or low cost.
ILiekToCookAndBake
And that only lowers the costs to $80 a month. Plus the pump supplies it's about $780 a month to stay alive.