All the Biden-bashing makes me think this is the Dems only way to seem to be energetic and taking action. IMO, it would be better to quit being distracted by shit we can't do anything about anymore, and focus on the existential threat of Trump. And yes, for such an ailing president he sure did accomplish a lot.
Everything I think that Biden was doing wrong (and there was a lot) Trump promised to do that and worse. It's just insane that people wanted trump over him or Harris. It's almost as if it wasn't a rational decision and something born purely from mindless hatred.
Why are we having this discussion now? Hey Jake Tapper, if you were aware of this why didnāt you bring it to the public then? When it couldāve mattered? Because it doesnāt now.
Itās absolutely pathetic that they keep bringing up insults about Biden. Imagine if someone did this with their regular 9-5. Just keep insulting the last guy who worked in your position . Itās weird.
Biden did a lot of good stuff and in other times would have been a great president, but he failed to recognize the seriousness of Trump, treated Trump's previous term as a one-off, tried to meet in the middle and in doing so normalized a lot of Republican crap, and didn't attempt to put in any safeguards against a future presidency by Trump or others like him. He did the job well but failed to recognize and do what was actually needed during his presidency.
We all know this is true. Unfortunately we are post truth and America is hamstrung against taking some action to address the lies because of the first amendment. Other countries can criminalize lying on mass Media.
it's not just the president; each administration pulls in thousands of other people to run the government. who these people are matter a helluva lot (e.g. Gore losing in 2000 was a real kick in the the nuts to this country, pretty much killed it as a going concern)
Yeah he hired a lot of competent people and did a good job. I think that's undeniable. However his Gaza policies were appalling and he was just too fucking old to do the job for a second term. His debate performances were beyond disastrous and his clutch on power and insistence on running again (and thereby screwing the Dems out of a primary) had an enormous impact on the election. Not to mention HE DIDN'T PURSUE TRUMP FOR JAN 6 AND SHOULD HAVE BOOTED GARLAND FOR SOMEONE WHO WOULD. He made 1of2
Plenty of mistakes and hid his failing mind from the public so poorly, because it was so obvious, that people felt betrayed. One could argue some of his mistakes directly led to this current fuckery we are in! So if you burn down your house after you've sold it, have you really left any legacy, to mix metaphors? Yep. He did a good job. For a while and he completely fucked up the most important policies/processes that he faced.
Critical thought is possible with two options. The first step is understanding the nature of a binary electoral system and deciding what is the best option for you and your country within that system.
Thanks. Agree at the point of decision. But is the issue when we discuss or communicate around those two options? Which happens in advance of that decision (unless you've already made up your mind*) where valid criticism for one becomes unwelcome praise for the other?
When I wake up, I know I can put my pants on and go to work, or I could take a shit in my hands and wipe it all over my face. Statistically, youād thinking I would have chosen the latter at least once by now, but thanks to my strong critical thinking and decision-making skills, I have managed to choose the correct option every single time.
And just because Iām reluctant to do the second option, doesnāt mean that I love going to work, or that my non-feces-facial routine is perfect and couldnāt possibly be improved, it just means that is very obviously the better of the two options. I could still get better pants and I could enjoy my job more, but I wouldnāt be able to do those things if I chose to spend my days covered in shit.
Those uh ... those aren't the only two options! But, let's say one of your coworkers notices a mustard stain on your trousers one morning do you immediately assume that they're pro face-faeces
You really struggle with any complex language don't you? We had an argument and you exposed this same inability to follow English syntax. The real problem is you seem to think you have higher than average comprehension.
Exactly, he wasn't great but he was effective. Unfortunately more than half the country bought into the lies/propaganda amplifying his mistakes. Propaganda spreads when you don't care about ethics. Conservatives don't have any. Conservative news isn't even journalism, it's lies, agenda and prejudice disguised as news. Conservative talk radio is just prejudice and lies. Conservatives own the majority of media outlets in the US, so they were incredibly effective at making Biden seem incompetent.
Biden was obviously sunsetting through much of his administration. Yet everybody around him and all the news media pretended like he was doing a fantastic job and was in peak performance! They lied so much that even now when his mental decline is as clear as day, people like you are STILL defending him, saying that even if his brain was potato at least his team was good. It's honestly pathetic how you won't call out your own side, you are blue MAGA
What are you basing his mental decline on? Do you know the guy? All we really see is what is shown to us. If you're basing your opinion on Biden's debate performance, he had a cold that day, and several days before (so he couldn't prepare for the debate). You can't perform as well, even when merely talking, when you're sick. The honorable thing would have been to delay the debate so Biden could get better; but we know Trump wouldn't honor that - he'd be criticizing Biden forever for that
And the mental decline continues to this day. Why don't you go watch his most recent appearance on the View and then honestly tell me that he's mentally fit to be president. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSviTwTTpEk
You're unbelievable. A cultist through and through. He skipped the superbowl interview because he knew ANY public speaking would doom his run. Up until the first debate all his interviews were strictly controlled and tightly scripted and edited, that's why in the first debate it was a shock. That wasn't a cold, it's called sunsetting and it happens to millions of elderly around the globe. He can't speak for 30 second without losing his place and saying "Anyways..." to segway to another topic
Sunsetting compared to what? He wasn't claiming he invented the word "equalize," wasn't causing world wide economic turmoil to enrich others, not killing hundreds of thousands by bullying a virus, didn't try to bomb a hurricane, and so many other things.
You base this off of "he mumbled" and "he said the wrong word occasionally" when you have an orange rapist quite literally thinking the word "grocery" is a word no one knew before he said it.
Stop making whataboutism arguments. Nobody is saying Trump is better, we're saying Biden was unfit. And it has nothing to do with his stutter, and everything to do with his age and mental fitness.
You and your pedophilic ilk set the bar low by saying Trump was "strong and smart" by deflecting from his every idiocy and when, just before the election, Trump was taking scheduled dementia tests (plural) and is doing insane shit every day that's worse than a decade ago you don't get to sit there and go "Biden was slipping."
Clutch your pearls harder, sweetie, you're in a cult.
I don't hate it. I hate the stupidity of the average American voter. Where most have simply taken what their parents and grand parents have done for granted and uses them past achievements as if it is their own today... 30 to 100 years later. My goodness, when I read veterans day was being renamed to "victory" day, I had to remember the fact 45th also called dead soldiers as losers and suckers. He also did not want injured soldiers appearing to remind the public about the price of freedom.
Biden did great for USA Labor! First president to march with a picket line!
Was not crushing the job though. He let a couple āfringeā politicians that are now leaving the Democratic party kill his big āBuild Back Betterā bill when he could have put pressure on both.
Foreign policy was kind of a joke too. Literally let a genocide start and continue when early in his presidency he was able to make Israel stop with a simple call. His open name calling to Putin did not help either.
Biden deported more people than Trump did in his first term, brought back family sepration, Title 42, and fearmongered about immigrants in the SOTU address to one up MTG. Biden grew ICE. Biden supported the Israeli genocide of Gazans and lied multiple times about Irsrael's refusal to accept any deal for peace in exchange for hostages, and went around congress' back to give MORE weapns than were approved of, while lying and hiding reports that the IDF were committing warcrimes and denying aid...
Im not even finishing this entire thread. I'll say it right here. You know what Biden wasnt? A FASCIST DICTATOR. Thats not a "both sides" issue and Im sick of hearing this kind of shit.
You're sick f hearing about the fascist things Biden factually DID that enabled and empowered Trump's fascism? Then you're part of the problem, and why we'ree in this bullshit loop between corporate assholes who have zero interest in the valuing human lives and rights, and fascists who are openly trying to degrade and destroy human lives and rights.
You don't hate nazis. You hate people whose honesty degrades your perfect god-emperor. Especially when those honest people are Leftwing antifascists. You're Blue-MAGA, and more like a nazi than anyone who criticizes Biden from the Left. That's why you can't bring yourself to read what I said, or check the facts of my words, just like MAGAs do when I call out Trump's fascism.
Biden was pushed into ICE by the election accusations, and his Israel genocide paralysis was a trap sprung by his foes. THEY (Bibi/Trump) knew Biden couldn't come out against Israel before the election and win, and he couldn't do nothing about it and win apparntly. Plus he was too old to take the best humanitarian position, too weak apparently
If a president can be pushed into abetting genocide, then they are unfit to be president. Biden was mentally incapable of stopping the genocide because his brain was potato, he left everything to his team and his team was fully purchased by AIPAC. If he was capable of understanding the level of destruction he might have stopped it, but he was MENTALLY UNFIT. This is the truth of the Biden admin, and we need to accept it as is if we're going to move on in honesty
1. He shouldn't have been a coward and give into racist bullshit if that were the case. 2. He fell for the Trap because he is and always has been a PSYCHOTIC supporter of Israel, even undermining Obama and Hillary when they were trying to get Net to fuck off with an attack, and it wowuld have been a win, 80% of Democrats supported withdrawing aid from Israel because of the war crimes Biden helped enable, protect, and lie about, and yes, he could have done a lot.
He fucked up because he's a fuckup who supports Israel as America's boot on the region's throat, and he gives in to MAGA racists whenever he feels like he isn't doing good enough in the polls on immigrants. He's a coward and bastard, and I will celebrate his obituary just as much as Trump's some day.
Oh stop sputtering that nonsens the GOP ran those institutions and CONGRESS pushed things through that Biden tried to stop. Arms sales are APPROVED by congress, you cant go behind their backs and most of those deals stem from Trumps first term, almost everything was from Trumps first term and they had stacked the house, senate AND judicial branch with their ilk to ensure he had no political tools available. You don't mention the millions he was able to stop, or how he tried to pause ICE funding.
lmao, riiight Biden was the facist, not the complete dumpster fire that we have now, that layed the groundwork for what is happening now. No one is saying Biden was perfect but he damn sure didnt do what you are saying. Your OWN articles talk about how they were part of the larger Ukraine package, because he had to put something in there to get Ukraine aid. Go fuck off with your idiocy, you're just as bad as the Nazis.
Youll notice the PBS headline says "once again", because he did it multiple times. He did it again afterwards by selling parts rather than whole bombs in an attempt to make it a little less low-key because it kept getting out to the news. I got more, bootlicker. Biden was a sick-fucking nazi when it comes to Gaza, and Blue-MAGA LOVES lying for their openly-hyper-zionist fuhrer.
which would/ should have triggered the use of Lehey Law, stopping arms and aid to Israel. He still lies about his role in negotiating the short lived "peace deal" that Israel only agreed to AFTER the election to help Trump, while they played Biden was played like a fiddle. Biden approved of more oil drilling and fracking than Trump did in his first term, proving his dedication to combating climate change was a fucking JOKE. Joe Biden didn't crush shit except the election in favor of Trump.
Typical Democratic administration trying to reach across the aisle and come to a workable compromise; hoping things could be pulled back to center. Except the Republican Party doesnāt want compromise, they want to win⦠and theyāve grown to viscerally hate the left. āYou cannot compromise with the lion when your head is in its mouth!ā.
Let me ask you, do you think the Democrats were just naive? You think they truly hoped that some republicans would turn around and help them suddenly? Democrats are COMPLICIT, they know that republicans are an obstructionist party, yet they still reach out with the olive branch. It's performative, and in bad faith, from both parties. They didn't want build back better to pass, that's why it didn't pass. Wake up people
You're arguing with liberals, they like this genocide because middle-eastern brown people are scary. More drilling is actually good because money. They're just republicans that don't hate american POC and queer people (mostly).
Democrat Blue-MAGA are mad because they can't claim neither the moral high ground nor the election win, so they hate everyone who said anything about the party needing to represent the progressive Left, instead of supporting genocide and racism at home. I can't decide who is slimier, their politicians, their voters, or me for going along with them for so long while telling myself it would mitigate harm while they threw the election.
You still need to choose the lesser of two evils. Please God let us get rid of first past the post voting. Our democracy can't survive first past the post AND citizens united.
That bastard Joe Biden deserves to be thrown in the same guillotine as Trump and for much of the same reasons, but Liberal centrist have a daddy-kink for him and lie and rewrite history for him. Ask me for sources, I got em. BBC, Guardian, CNN, and more, not lying fringe right wing shit. You fucking Libs keep us on the razors edge of fascism at the best of times, and your only strategy for stopping them is to always win while alienating voters with POLITE murder and corporatism.
If there was any justice in this world Biden would be brought before the Hague for his abetting of genocide. But any inference that Biden is the bad guy is enough to get you downvoted to oblivion on Imgur.
My history will show I opnely supported voting for Biden in 2020, and for Harris in 2024. What I don't do is delude myself into deifying Democrats. You freaks alienated voters with that "if you're not sucking Biden's dick, you're a Trump supporter" bullshit.
Im not saying that's worse or something, it's definitely better than what's happening now, but I'm not gonna act like Biden did the work when he didn't.
You can say this about any successful president in history. Of course he doesn't do all of that stuff by himself. He put the right people in charge, and they did their jobs well.
The main job of the president is to appoint a bunch of competent people to various administrative roles and to represent America on the world's stage. I think he did both quite well
That's kind of the point - by hiring good staff and listening to them, Biden did a great job for the country. No one person can be an expert in everything a president needs to make a decision on, if you elect someone who *thinks* he is an expert in everything, well, look around and you see what you get.
For the people downvoting this, understand that we who are able to accept that Democratic presidents are no more perfect than Republican presidents are now looking at his "aggressive" cancer diagnosis and are wondering how it is possible something like that slipped under the radar. It seems far more likely that he covered this up while in office. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyn0zm8d20o
Joe Biden had allies all around him urging him to step down from POTUS for YEARS. He spent the last few months of his Presidency securing pardons for his son and those close to him (If you honestly need an explanation as to how this is overt corruption, see this: https://youtu.be/m3y99Ph8rb0 ). Medical experts say that a cancer diagnosis that spreads to the bones is not something POTUS's medical team would have missed. If Biden held on to power through a cancer diagnosis, then he 100% failed us.
The staff ALWAYS does the work. Patton never won a battle, his troops did. But the guy in charge gets the credit. If you like, "The Biden Administration crushed it".
Biden was mentally gone within a couple of years as POTUS. https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/14/politics/biden-book-cabinet-e">gency">https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/14/politics/biden-book-cabinet-emergency -- https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/13/biden-books-democrats His own staff have been out about it since shortly after his disastrous debate performance made it clear to everyone who doesn't delude themselves like MAGA do.
A potted cactus could do a good job as president if the team behind it was competent, but you'll never catch my ass voting for a cactus. And you sure as hell would never catch me willingly DEFENDING the potted cactus on online message boards saying "at least it's better than Trump". When will people learn that lesser evil voting is a LOSING strategy and we're in this place today because of it.
'lesser of two evil is a losing strategy' Yeah because people like you think your moral superiority is more important than actually making sure fascism doesn't happen.
And like every one of those third party pieces of shit, I'd stake my life on the fact that you're most if not all of cisgender, heterosexual, white, and male, and you have so much privilege that you don't expect to fucking die under Trump like some of us. Fuck you.
It's so easy to blame republicans for everything, it's really hard to take responsibility yourself. My point was that as the election neared, the left was split into two groups. One group saying that Biden was mentally unfit, and the other group was saying that he was perfectly fit and the ONLY person who could win. Now one of these groups was right and the other dead wrong. Which group were you a part of? Were you on Imgur telling people to 'vote blue no matter who'? Or did you say the truth?
it came down to 114,884 swing votes across 3 states. That it was this close is bigger problems. I don't blame republicans, they are what they are.
Nobody was "dead wrong" last year. But had Biden stayed in the blowout would have been larger since the people who show up and vote what a strongman not a weak guy in a suit (even if the latter comes with a much better team backing him).
The correct play in retrospect was for Biden to step down for health reasons after the 2022 election.
The election was poisoned by Biden, even after he dropped out. You're right, the correct play would have been for him to clearly state that he wouldn't run a second time so that we could have a robust primary. But he was the only one who could make that determination, and he chose to stay in. So the fault rests squarely on his decrepit shoulders.
Thats a major part of the job. Biden put qualified people in charge of various things and things got done (When not blocked by the red team) ... And Trump is putting the worst possible choices in positions, often from fox news for some reason
Yup. Get the right person for each job, then delegate. Trump's solution instead is get the worst person for the job, extort money from them, let them destroy everything.
he said he would only run for one term, it was part of the reason he won the democratic primary. Did he sign his name to a legal document declaring he would only serve once? No. But he did say it during his campaign.
My point is that despite all the claims like yours, at best he alluded to it (being a transition president). He never outright claimed he would not run for a second term that I can find. And that is what you and other claim.
And given your 'legal document' bull you know this. Grow up.
And please don't misunderstand me, I think it would have been better had he bowed out earlier. I just find that particular avenue of blame to be extremely weak.
They felt it wasn't their right to deal with him and I think they were right. Personally I would have published details about his rape of the 13 year old girl with Epstein and done it in a way that forced him to address it.
Biden is one of the most effective presidents in US history, especially for only serving a single term, and especially given the level of GOP obstruction he faced. But picking Merrick Garland for AG, given the constitutional emergency Trump posed, means that Biden sleep walked us all into our current fascist situation, and his legacy can never be separated from what Trump is doing today.
>Biden was one of the most effective presidents in US history< oh look, debunked propaganda! He approved all of Trump's outstanding oil permits despite claiming to want to fight climate change, in so doing he approved more oil permits than the trump admin did prior, he perpetuated debunked Israeli lies and actively bombed civilians for the purposes of enabling Israel's genocide of palestinians, he openly declared he would veto any attempt at medicare for all in favor of expanding private 1/
health insurance scams, he expanded police budgets while openly declaring he opposed any efforts to curtail the SCOTUS after they declared women had no right to bodily autonomy with the end of RvW, he infamously declared Amy Coney Barret a "very fine person" despite her literal fascist ideology, he allowed ICE to sell kids into sex slavery in direct defiance of his executive order without ANY consequences whatsoever, he openly refused to even acknowledge the sitting congressmen who organized 2/
an attempted coup to HAVE HIM FUCKING MURDERED, let alone entertain the idea that they should be punished in any way (which, fun fact, is why we now have trump in power, nice going Biden!) he actively banned any union that he could from striking, including barring railroad workers from striking after 3 years of stonewalling by railroad corporeations, an in exchange he got them 0.25% of their demands for better working conditions. Anyone who thinks Biden did "well" is at best willfully ignorant.
The ones who failed was the American people. You had so many loud voices, AOC and Bernie were just two of them. Buttigieg another. Biden was pretty clear as well. An egotistical people thatās only looking out for individual profit voted for a president that was advocating exactly that.
The election of the President is so deeply flawed. I, and my state, voted to prevent all of this. But my neighbors an hour away have more individual voting power, in the Electoral College, and they know that. We know that. But since changing it would require both of the big 2 parties to cede power, it's never going to happen. And still, I blame Biden and the older generation of men for this shit before I blame the American people as a whole. They couldn't stomach *all* of it.
This. People trying to blame Biden for what happened with Trump are trying to blame someone instead of facing reality. There was nothing stopping Trump from running for President again because there are literally no laws against it. This is the same as people trying to sue an amusement park because "you let me on the ride even though I was afraid of heights."
100% agreed that Biden should've stuck with his 1-term pledge. I also agree that he was slipping. But so was Trump. Biden's term was effective, in no small part due to his administration. Selecting that administration is exactly what a good leader does.
Trump's first term was terrible and the only thing that kept it from going even further off the rails was his administration. He clearly despised them after leaving office and said that he was going to have more loyalists.
My read on the original quote here is not one of agreement/disagreement with Biden's decisions, but rather that we saw no indications that his age/infirmity were impacting his job performance. He made plenty of decisions I disagreed with, but he's been a conservative Democrat his entire career.
Biden will be viewed like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Did amazing things, but failed horribly at the end when it really mattered. Both because they grossly underestimated the threat of the GOP.
Also Dianne Feinstein whose months long absence from Congress when she was cognitively checked out impeded Bidenās ability to confirm judges BECAUSE SHE WOULDNT RETIRE. All 3 of these geezers threw us under the bus because they refused to step away gracefully
Probably because of the Biden circle jerk that all of 'left wing' media engaged in. He was young and dynamic and riding a bike and mentally strong if all you're listening to is Morning Joe and Rachel Maddow. They never told their audience that he was sunsetting, in fact they ignored that problem entirely! That's why his first disaster debate was such a shock to those who believed that lie
And it's totally ignoring the fact that Trump can't string a coherent thought to save his life. Biden could while battling a lifelong speech impediment.
I'm not talking about Trump. Stop with your whataboutisms. The debate was just the publics first unfiltered look at the president and the shocked reaction was so severe that it unseated an incumbent president for gods sake! You want to pretend like that was all because of a cold? Wake up
Everybody knew, the media and the administration. The sound of silence was deafening as they lied through their teeth to people who trusted them, and now when we point it out those same people who were lied to will turn around and attack US for mentioning it. Tribal thinking is scary, some people just prefer the echo chamber.
It was blatantly obvious from day one that Trump would run for reelection in 2024. He had already tried a coup to stay in power. You don't need to see the future to see the fucking present.
Garland was Obama's SCOTUS pick because he was a moderate, and Obama figured he'd be a less controversial pick. Also, presidents talk with the people they pick before picking them, and question number one should have been "how utterly fucking bloodthirsty are you going to be?" The fact that Garland was a wet noodle is absolutely a failing on Biden for not vetting him properly.
He was old, but also too genteel. When they went low, he stayed high. Merrick Garland, a Federalist, seemed a moderate choice and a "fair" choice. Not Professor Tribe or anything. Well that amounted to being tolerant of treason. Garland forbade his people to go near the Willard Hotel Jan 6th planning cabal, and treated the riot as a reeelybig Breaking and Entering. No Fed. subpoenas of the plotters until 1.5 years of precious time was gone,
I need people to understand that even if Merrick Garland had rushed the prosecution and succeeded in both a conviction and sentencing, Trump would still have run from prison. Doing so is perfectly constitutional.
Honestly, considering everything he'd already done and the felony convictions he had at the time, I don't think him being in prison would've made a difference.
Holding people in power accountable does indeed make a difference and a big part of why we have our current government is because we don't do that.
Throwing him in jail would have done a lot towards cracking his hold on the GOP party, which in turn while influence voters. A lot less people would be likely to throw their hat in the ring for a guy when jail is a very real possibility.
He had already been convicted of 34 felonies. Throwing him in jail would've effectively martyred him. The GOP would've spent the entire time crowing about him being a "political prisoner" like they did with a bunch of the J6 morons.
If anything, I think throwing him in prison would've further cemented his hold over the GOP, because his insane base would've gone rabid over it and the GOP has repeatedly demonstrated they're terrified of that base.
If that's your genuine opinion then I can only assume you are the sort of coward that establishment Dems felt the need to cater to, who walked us into our current predicament. His supporters are diehard, you're right that they wouldn't have cared if he was in jail, and I doubti t would have affected his numbers much. You know who would have cared? The huge number of progressives who couldn't hold their nose and vote one more time for ineffectual old cowards who were too chickenshit to even try.
Running a huge campaign about how Russia is trying to attack the United States and starting programs to educate against fascism, and making arrests of people big and small who are actually breaking the law. Things like that would have made all the difference. The problem is, many Democrats were also in on the scoop of getting free handouts and cider trading and didn't want to give up the benefits of soft corruption for the rich...
With those guard rails off, with no real consequences for the corrupt illegal actions by the rich, a criminal like Trump had nothing holding him back. He had free range to destroy the country. Which was going to happen at some point anyway. No conservative as win the presidency by popular vote for decades because the electoral college was set up to give the rich and powerful more control. In essence, the United States has always been a fascist country hiding under the claim of democracy.
Honestly? I genuinely believe it wouldn't have Made any difference at all. They very publically arrested most of the J6 goons and a good chunk of Trump's cabinet. Only Trump himself escaped.
No one would've listened to the other stuff, because the media and voters were determined not to listen to anything the Dens were putting out.
People still say "I don't know anything about her policies," despite that being the core focus of her campaign. She did nothing but talk about those.
chata954
It's all so dumb, so painfully dumb
cytherians
The MAGA screamed "š½šššš£šš”šš©šš¤š£," as inflation started rapidly rising in the latter half of Biden's term. But it wasn't Biden's fault. The stimulus payments DID boost up inflation, but the real damage was done during Trump's term, as he did absolutely NOTHING to help protect the US supply chain. Trump did more to seed inflation. But right-wing media would NEVER admit to that.
Disinformation has ruined our nation, deluding so many lazy and gullible people.
JaneDoe2023
All the Biden-bashing makes me think this is the Dems only way to seem to be energetic and taking action. IMO, it would be better to quit being distracted by shit we can't do anything about anymore, and focus on the existential threat of Trump. And yes, for such an ailing president he sure did accomplish a lot.
theomni
Everything I think that Biden was doing wrong (and there was a lot) Trump promised to do that and worse. It's just insane that people wanted trump over him or Harris. It's almost as if it wasn't a rational decision and something born purely from mindless hatred.
deweydecibel
Why are we having this discussion now? Hey Jake Tapper, if you were aware of this why didnāt you bring it to the public then? When it couldāve mattered? Because it doesnāt now.
NKato
And Democrats are *still* making hay over his job performance? What the fuck is wrong with these dollar-store muppets and their priorities?!
RazReverie
Itās absolutely pathetic that they keep bringing up insults about Biden. Imagine if someone did this with their regular 9-5. Just keep insulting the last guy who worked in your position . Itās weird.
istry555
Biden did a lot of good stuff and in other times would have been a great president, but he failed to recognize the seriousness of Trump, treated Trump's previous term as a one-off, tried to meet in the middle and in doing so normalized a lot of Republican crap, and didn't attempt to put in any safeguards against a future presidency by Trump or others like him. He did the job well but failed to recognize and do what was actually needed during his presidency.
BoblovesMac31415101
We all know this is true.
Unfortunately we are post truth and America is hamstrung against taking some action to address the lies because of the first amendment.
Other countries can criminalize lying on mass Media.
samanthadlcruz
to be fair we are ALSO hiring the sex offenders.
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
its mch the fuck worse than that⦠hes already knowingly killed babies from defunding clinics we had in other countries
torokunai
it's not just the president; each administration pulls in thousands of other people to run the government. who these people are matter a helluva lot (e.g. Gore losing in 2000 was a real kick in the the nuts to this country, pretty much killed it as a going concern)
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Yeah he hired a lot of competent people and did a good job. I think that's undeniable. However his Gaza policies were appalling and he was just too fucking old to do the job for a second term. His debate performances were beyond disastrous and his clutch on power and insistence on running again (and thereby screwing the Dems out of a primary) had an enormous impact on the election. Not to mention HE DIDN'T PURSUE TRUMP FOR JAN 6 AND SHOULD HAVE BOOTED GARLAND FOR SOMEONE WHO WOULD. He made 1of2
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Plenty of mistakes and hid his failing mind from the public so poorly, because it was so obvious, that people felt betrayed. One could argue some of his mistakes directly led to this current fuckery we are in! So if you burn down your house after you've sold it, have you really left any legacy, to mix metaphors? Yep. He did a good job. For a while and he completely fucked up the most important policies/processes that he faced.
DJOldguy
Oh? Really? Like?
johnblood616
But he didnt give us Universal Basic Income on day one! He didnt immediately declare Israel the enemy! Uhhh... he stuttered!
Seethreepeeoh
Is the issue that when you are given only two options, critical thought is impossible? As any criticism of one is defacto praise for the other.
skwint
That does seem to be how most humans think, yes
wandermanspacebot
Critical thought is possible with two options. The first step is understanding the nature of a binary electoral system and deciding what is the best option for you and your country within that system.
Seethreepeeoh
Thanks. Agree at the point of decision. But is the issue when we discuss or communicate around those two options? Which happens in advance of that decision (unless you've already made up your mind*) where valid criticism for one becomes unwelcome praise for the other?
Seethreepeeoh
*at which point critical thought is irrelevant
maniacalmacaroni
When I wake up, I know I can put my pants on and go to work, or I could take a shit in my hands and wipe it all over my face. Statistically, youād thinking I would have chosen the latter at least once by now, but thanks to my strong critical thinking and decision-making skills, I have managed to choose the correct option every single time.
maniacalmacaroni
And just because Iām reluctant to do the second option, doesnāt mean that I love going to work, or that my non-feces-facial routine is perfect and couldnāt possibly be improved, it just means that is very obviously the better of the two options. I could still get better pants and I could enjoy my job more, but I wouldnāt be able to do those things if I chose to spend my days covered in shit.
Seethreepeeoh
Those uh ... those aren't the only two options! But, let's say one of your coworkers notices a mustard stain on your trousers one morning do you immediately assume that they're pro face-faeces
Fargus57
And ending Biden policies (like discount drug pricing) and reinstating them as your own (but not quite as good) doesn't count MAGA idiots.
blaghart
#1>I don't give two shits what people think about biden< that's probably why you're deluded enough to think he was doing a good job.
BoblovesMac31415101
You really struggle with any complex language don't you?
We had an argument and you exposed this same inability to follow English syntax.
The real problem is you seem to think you have higher than average comprehension.
blaghart
obvious bot is obvious
txcell
Exactly, he wasn't great but he was effective. Unfortunately more than half the country bought into the lies/propaganda amplifying his mistakes. Propaganda spreads when you don't care about ethics. Conservatives don't have any. Conservative news isn't even journalism, it's lies, agenda and prejudice disguised as news. Conservative talk radio is just prejudice and lies. Conservatives own the majority of media outlets in the US, so they were incredibly effective at making Biden seem incompetent.
RedSkizzers
Biden was obviously sunsetting through much of his administration. Yet everybody around him and all the news media pretended like he was doing a fantastic job and was in peak performance! They lied so much that even now when his mental decline is as clear as day, people like you are STILL defending him, saying that even if his brain was potato at least his team was good. It's honestly pathetic how you won't call out your own side, you are blue MAGA
mindstorm8191
What are you basing his mental decline on? Do you know the guy? All we really see is what is shown to us.
If you're basing your opinion on Biden's debate performance, he had a cold that day, and several days before (so he couldn't prepare for the debate). You can't perform as well, even when merely talking, when you're sick.
The honorable thing would have been to delay the debate so Biden could get better; but we know Trump wouldn't honor that - he'd be criticizing Biden forever for that
RedSkizzers
And the mental decline continues to this day. Why don't you go watch his most recent appearance on the View and then honestly tell me that he's mentally fit to be president. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSviTwTTpEk
RedSkizzers
You're unbelievable. A cultist through and through. He skipped the superbowl interview because he knew ANY public speaking would doom his run. Up until the first debate all his interviews were strictly controlled and tightly scripted and edited, that's why in the first debate it was a shock. That wasn't a cold, it's called sunsetting and it happens to millions of elderly around the globe. He can't speak for 30 second without losing his place and saying "Anyways..." to segway to another topic
Axiomatic13
LOL, too dumb to even realize that you were the mark. Trump doesn't give two shits about you.
dontrike
Sunsetting compared to what? He wasn't claiming he invented the word "equalize," wasn't causing world wide economic turmoil to enrich others, not killing hundreds of thousands by bullying a virus, didn't try to bomb a hurricane, and so many other things.
You base this off of "he mumbled" and "he said the wrong word occasionally" when you have an orange rapist quite literally thinking the word "grocery" is a word no one knew before he said it.
Stop being stupid
RedSkizzers
Stop making whataboutism arguments. Nobody is saying Trump is better, we're saying Biden was unfit. And it has nothing to do with his stutter, and everything to do with his age and mental fitness.
dontrike
You and your pedophilic ilk set the bar low by saying Trump was "strong and smart" by deflecting from his every idiocy and when, just before the election, Trump was taking scheduled dementia tests (plural) and is doing insane shit every day that's worse than a decade ago you don't get to sit there and go "Biden was slipping."
Clutch your pearls harder, sweetie, you're in a cult.
RedSkizzers
What? Another whataboutism argument? I'm shocked that this is your only recourse. SHOCKED.
UncleMartha
Y'all are gonna hate this.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/joe-bidens-legacy-of-failure-hypocrisy-and-murder
shadowhunter100
I don't hate it. I hate the stupidity of the average American voter. Where most have simply taken what their parents and grand parents have done for granted and uses them past achievements as if it is their own today... 30 to 100 years later. My goodness, when I read veterans day was being renamed to "victory" day, I had to remember the fact 45th also called dead soldiers as losers and suckers. He also did not want injured soldiers appearing to remind the public about the price of freedom.
ricpaul
That last line... "quod erat demonstrandum" guestures broadly...
bourbonandbaddecisions
Sleepy joe did a bang up job for a guy who according to the gop was going senile during his term.
SocoFox
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djangojazz
Books coming out to distract from the reality. We don't even use the same barometer for Republicans. It's embarrassing.
RaekinTheBored
Biden did great for USA Labor! First president to march with a picket line!
Was not crushing the job though. He let a couple āfringeā politicians that are now leaving the Democratic party kill his big āBuild Back Betterā bill when he could have put pressure on both.
Foreign policy was kind of a joke too. Literally let a genocide start and continue when early in his presidency he was able to make Israel stop with a simple call. His open name calling to Putin did not help either.
Decitron
Biden deported more people than Trump did in his first term, brought back family sepration, Title 42, and fearmongered about immigrants in the SOTU address to one up MTG. Biden grew ICE. Biden supported the Israeli genocide of Gazans and lied multiple times about Irsrael's refusal to accept any deal for peace in exchange for hostages, and went around congress' back to give MORE weapns than were approved of, while lying and hiding reports that the IDF were committing warcrimes and denying aid...
METROlD
Im not even finishing this entire thread. I'll say it right here. You know what Biden wasnt? A FASCIST DICTATOR. Thats not a "both sides" issue and Im sick of hearing this kind of shit.
Decitron
You're sick f hearing about the fascist things Biden factually DID that enabled and empowered Trump's fascism? Then you're part of the problem, and why we'ree in this bullshit loop between corporate assholes who have zero interest in the valuing human lives and rights, and fascists who are openly trying to degrade and destroy human lives and rights.
METROlD
Sorry, Im not taking the bait. I stand by what I said. Fuck off, nazi.
Decitron
You don't hate nazis. You hate people whose honesty degrades your perfect god-emperor. Especially when those honest people are Leftwing antifascists. You're Blue-MAGA, and more like a nazi than anyone who criticizes Biden from the Left. That's why you can't bring yourself to read what I said, or check the facts of my words, just like MAGAs do when I call out Trump's fascism.
Chicagorooftop
Biden was pushed into ICE by the election accusations, and his Israel genocide paralysis was a trap sprung by his foes. THEY (Bibi/Trump) knew Biden couldn't come out against Israel before the election and win, and he couldn't do nothing about it and win apparntly. Plus he was too old to take the best humanitarian position, too weak apparently
RedSkizzers
If a president can be pushed into abetting genocide, then they are unfit to be president. Biden was mentally incapable of stopping the genocide because his brain was potato, he left everything to his team and his team was fully purchased by AIPAC. If he was capable of understanding the level of destruction he might have stopped it, but he was MENTALLY UNFIT. This is the truth of the Biden admin, and we need to accept it as is if we're going to move on in honesty
Decitron
1. He shouldn't have been a coward and give into racist bullshit if that were the case. 2. He fell for the Trap because he is and always has been a PSYCHOTIC supporter of Israel, even undermining Obama and Hillary when they were trying to get Net to fuck off with an attack, and it wowuld have been a win, 80% of Democrats supported withdrawing aid from Israel because of the war crimes Biden helped enable, protect, and lie about, and yes, he could have done a lot.
Decitron
He fucked up because he's a fuckup who supports Israel as America's boot on the region's throat, and he gives in to MAGA racists whenever he feels like he isn't doing good enough in the polls on immigrants. He's a coward and bastard, and I will celebrate his obituary just as much as Trump's some day.
IncognitoEnthusiast
Oh stop sputtering that nonsens the GOP ran those institutions and CONGRESS pushed things through that Biden tried to stop. Arms sales are APPROVED by congress, you cant go behind their backs and most of those deals stem from Trumps first term, almost everything was from Trumps first term and they had stacked the house, senate AND judicial branch with their ilk to ensure he had no political tools available. You don't mention the millions he was able to stop, or how he tried to pause ICE funding.
Decitron
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-biden-administration-once-again-bypasses-congress-on-an-emergency-weapons-sale-to-israel Siting">again-bypasses-congress-on-an-emergency-weapons-sale-to-israel Stop your lying, a">top y">iting">again-bypasses-congress-on-an-emergency-weapons-sale-to-israel Stop your lying, and rewriting history fascist genocide apologist bootlicker. https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/25/rights-groups-oppose-president-bidens-expansion-ice-detention -- https://www.axios.com/2025/01/15/ice-detention-expansion-biden-trump-deportation -- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/06/biden-immigration-detention-centers-inhumane-conditions
IncognitoEnthusiast
lmao, riiight Biden was the facist, not the complete dumpster fire that we have now, that layed the groundwork for what is happening now. No one is saying Biden was perfect but he damn sure didnt do what you are saying. Your OWN articles talk about how they were part of the larger Ukraine package, because he had to put something in there to get Ukraine aid. Go fuck off with your idiocy, you're just as bad as the Nazis.
Decitron
Youll notice the PBS headline says "once again", because he did it multiple times. He did it again afterwards by selling parts rather than whole bombs in an attempt to make it a little less low-key because it kept getting out to the news. I got more, bootlicker. Biden was a sick-fucking nazi when it comes to Gaza, and Blue-MAGA LOVES lying for their openly-hyper-zionist fuhrer.
Decitron
which would/ should have triggered the use of Lehey Law, stopping arms and aid to Israel. He still lies about his role in negotiating the short lived "peace deal" that Israel only agreed to AFTER the election to help Trump, while they played Biden was played like a fiddle. Biden approved of more oil drilling and fracking than Trump did in his first term, proving his dedication to combating climate change was a fucking JOKE. Joe Biden didn't crush shit except the election in favor of Trump.
kerbalspace2
Typical Democratic administration trying to reach across the aisle and come to a workable compromise; hoping things could be pulled back to center. Except the Republican Party doesnāt want compromise, they want to win⦠and theyāve grown to viscerally hate the left.
āYou cannot compromise with the lion when your head is in its mouth!ā.
RedSkizzers
Let me ask you, do you think the Democrats were just naive? You think they truly hoped that some republicans would turn around and help them suddenly? Democrats are COMPLICIT, they know that republicans are an obstructionist party, yet they still reach out with the olive branch. It's performative, and in bad faith, from both parties. They didn't want build back better to pass, that's why it didn't pass. Wake up people
Virus322
You're arguing with liberals, they like this genocide because middle-eastern brown people are scary. More drilling is actually good because money. They're just republicans that don't hate american POC and queer people (mostly).
Decitron
Democrat Blue-MAGA are mad because they can't claim neither the moral high ground nor the election win, so they hate everyone who said anything about the party needing to represent the progressive Left, instead of supporting genocide and racism at home. I can't decide who is slimier, their politicians, their voters, or me for going along with them for so long while telling myself it would mitigate harm while they threw the election.
TreeBenefactor
You still need to choose the lesser of two evils. Please God let us get rid of first past the post voting. Our democracy can't survive first past the post AND citizens united.
Decitron
That bastard Joe Biden deserves to be thrown in the same guillotine as Trump and for much of the same reasons, but Liberal centrist have a daddy-kink for him and lie and rewrite history for him. Ask me for sources, I got em. BBC, Guardian, CNN, and more, not lying fringe right wing shit. You fucking Libs keep us on the razors edge of fascism at the best of times, and your only strategy for stopping them is to always win while alienating voters with POLITE murder and corporatism.
RedSkizzers
If there was any justice in this world Biden would be brought before the Hague for his abetting of genocide. But any inference that Biden is the bad guy is enough to get you downvoted to oblivion on Imgur.
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Decitron
My history will show I opnely supported voting for Biden in 2020, and for Harris in 2024. What I don't do is delude myself into deifying Democrats. You freaks alienated voters with that "if you're not sucking Biden's dick, you're a Trump supporter" bullshit.
Richter12x2
Either that or all the criticism of Biden for things pretty much every president has had to do in the name of diplomacy alienated voters.
TheLastBootyBender
You started with "Biden deported more people" but ignore the fact that it was done with due process
mrthewhitee
Biden didn't "crush the job" his staff did.
Im not saying that's worse or something, it's definitely better than what's happening now, but I'm not gonna act like Biden did the work when he didn't.
Seethreepeeoh
Is this a hitler didn't kill anyone, civil servant did thing?
StephenDaniels
You are confusing leadership with doing nothing.
BeenisWeenis
You can say this about any successful president in history. Of course he doesn't do all of that stuff by himself. He put the right people in charge, and they did their jobs well.
Adthay
The main job of the president is to appoint a bunch of competent people to various administrative roles and to represent America on the world's stage. I think he did both quite well
XXXSpork
Itās almost like you donāt understand how an administration works
InfocalypseRising
I don't think anyone is under the impression that Biden himself actually did every single thing that happened during his term.
mrthewhitee
My point was, reports are he basically did nothing except what you saw on TV. His staff and an auto-pen did the rest.
sfbiker
That's kind of the point - by hiring good staff and listening to them, Biden did a great job for the country. No one person can be an expert in everything a president needs to make a decision on, if you elect someone who *thinks* he is an expert in everything, well, look around and you see what you get.
nasukkin
His staff and their decision to remain silent during Biden's mental decline in office is a major part of why we are where we are today. https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-age-democrats-midterms-2028-6738bf46f73c06c70015e4b1abe43df7
nasukkin
For the people downvoting this, understand that we who are able to accept that Democratic presidents are no more perfect than Republican presidents are now looking at his "aggressive" cancer diagnosis and are wondering how it is possible something like that slipped under the radar. It seems far more likely that he covered this up while in office. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyn0zm8d20o
nasukkin
Joe Biden had allies all around him urging him to step down from POTUS for YEARS. He spent the last few months of his Presidency securing pardons for his son and those close to him (If you honestly need an explanation as to how this is overt corruption, see this: https://youtu.be/m3y99Ph8rb0 ). Medical experts say that a cancer diagnosis that spreads to the bones is not something POTUS's medical team would have missed. If Biden held on to power through a cancer diagnosis, then he 100% failed us.
Cavalrysword
The staff ALWAYS does the work. Patton never won a battle, his troops did. But the guy in charge gets the credit. If you like, "The Biden Administration crushed it".
Decitron
Biden was mentally gone within a couple of years as POTUS. https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/14/politics/biden-book-cabinet-e">gency">https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/14/politics/biden-book-cabinet-emergency -- https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/13/biden-books-democrats His own staff have been out about it since shortly after his disastrous debate performance made it clear to everyone who doesn't delude themselves like MAGA do.
RedSkizzers
Be careful, if you tell the truth on this board you get downvoted.
RedSkizzers
A potted cactus could do a good job as president if the team behind it was competent, but you'll never catch my ass voting for a cactus. And you sure as hell would never catch me willingly DEFENDING the potted cactus on online message boards saying "at least it's better than Trump". When will people learn that lesser evil voting is a LOSING strategy and we're in this place today because of it.
Altanese
'lesser of two evil is a losing strategy' Yeah because people like you think your moral superiority is more important than actually making sure fascism doesn't happen.
And like every one of those third party pieces of shit, I'd stake my life on the fact that you're most if not all of cisgender, heterosexual, white, and male, and you have so much privilege that you don't expect to fucking die under Trump like some of us. Fuck you.
torokunai
? the point is that the people the President appoints is much more important than the President themselves; this is supposed to be a nation of laws.
Actually at this point, anybody voting GOP are not voting for the most likely candidate to beat the GOP is contributing to this nation's doom.
Canada finally got this right recently in similar circumstances
RedSkizzers
It's so easy to blame republicans for everything, it's really hard to take responsibility yourself. My point was that as the election neared, the left was split into two groups. One group saying that Biden was mentally unfit, and the other group was saying that he was perfectly fit and the ONLY person who could win. Now one of these groups was right and the other dead wrong. Which group were you a part of? Were you on Imgur telling people to 'vote blue no matter who'? Or did you say the truth?
torokunai
it came down to 114,884 swing votes across 3 states. That it was this close is bigger problems. I don't blame republicans, they are what they are.
Nobody was "dead wrong" last year. But had Biden stayed in the blowout would have been larger since the people who show up and vote what a strongman not a weak guy in a suit (even if the latter comes with a much better team backing him).
The correct play in retrospect was for Biden to step down for health reasons after the 2022 election.
RedSkizzers
The election was poisoned by Biden, even after he dropped out. You're right, the correct play would have been for him to clearly state that he wouldn't run a second time so that we could have a robust primary. But he was the only one who could make that determination, and he chose to stay in. So the fault rests squarely on his decrepit shoulders.
Dontstopbelever2000ismyfavoritesoap
I mean, he could've spent the rest of the time drooling and still been better. The staff is who gets the work done, always has been
Solkin
Thats a major part of the job. Biden put qualified people in charge of various things and things got done (When not blocked by the red team) ... And Trump is putting the worst possible choices in positions, often from fox news for some reason
RevengeIsIceCream
Yup. Get the right person for each job, then delegate. Trump's solution instead is get the worst person for the job, extort money from them, let them destroy everything.
TheLiteraryMachine
Biden was a great President. I just wish he'd kept his promising of not running again. But the media deliberately sabotaged him.
RedSkizzers
It was his choice to run again. He did that on his own, the media only ever acted in his benefit.
ijdod
Which promise was that exactly? As I understand it, this was never a public promise he made.
RedSkizzers
he said he would only run for one term, it was part of the reason he won the democratic primary. Did he sign his name to a legal document declaring he would only serve once? No. But he did say it during his campaign.
ijdod
My point is that despite all the claims like yours, at best he alluded to it (being a transition president). He never outright claimed he would not run for a second term that I can find. And that is what you and other claim.
And given your 'legal document' bull you know this. Grow up.
ijdod
And please don't misunderstand me, I think it would have been better had he bowed out earlier. I just find that particular avenue of blame to be extremely weak.
ParryLost
Biden was the most powerful leader in the world 2020-2024, and he and his government did nothing to stop Trump's rise to power, even after >
ParryLost
> Trump brazenly tried to overturn the 2020 election and incited a mob to storm the Capitol. Biden and his team failed, horribly, in the >
ParryLost
>single most important task before them, which should have been protecting US democracy. "He wasn't as bad as Trump" is an extremely low bar
BoblovesMac31415101
They felt it wasn't their right to deal with him and I think they were right.
Personally I would have published details about his rape of the 13 year old girl with Epstein and done it in a way that forced him to address it.
ParryLost
They were wrong. He tried to overturn an election and destroy democracy. He committed a number of other extremely serious crimes, includingā
ParryLost
āstoring top-secret files in his friggin' bathroom. And yes, the rape. They absolutely could have done more to make him face legal conse- ā
delecti
Biden is one of the most effective presidents in US history, especially for only serving a single term, and especially given the level of GOP obstruction he faced.
But picking Merrick Garland for AG, given the constitutional emergency Trump posed, means that Biden sleep walked us all into our current fascist situation, and his legacy can never be separated from what Trump is doing today.
RedSkizzers
His legacy is the second part of the phrase: "All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing."
blaghart
>Biden was one of the most effective presidents in US history< oh look, debunked propaganda! He approved all of Trump's outstanding oil permits despite claiming to want to fight climate change, in so doing he approved more oil permits than the trump admin did prior, he perpetuated debunked Israeli lies and actively bombed civilians for the purposes of enabling Israel's genocide of palestinians, he openly declared he would veto any attempt at medicare for all in favor of expanding private 1/
blaghart
health insurance scams, he expanded police budgets while openly declaring he opposed any efforts to curtail the SCOTUS after they declared women had no right to bodily autonomy with the end of RvW, he infamously declared Amy Coney Barret a "very fine person" despite her literal fascist ideology, he allowed ICE to sell kids into sex slavery in direct defiance of his executive order without ANY consequences whatsoever, he openly refused to even acknowledge the sitting congressmen who organized 2/
blaghart
an attempted coup to HAVE HIM FUCKING MURDERED, let alone entertain the idea that they should be punished in any way (which, fun fact, is why we now have trump in power, nice going Biden!) he actively banned any union that he could from striking, including barring railroad workers from striking after 3 years of stonewalling by railroad corporeations, an in exchange he got them 0.25% of their demands for better working conditions. Anyone who thinks Biden did "well" is at best willfully ignorant.
DrKleiner007
The ones who failed was the American people. You had so many loud voices, AOC and Bernie were just two of them. Buttigieg another. Biden was pretty clear as well. An egotistical people thatās only looking out for individual profit voted for a president that was advocating exactly that.
StewedTomaters
The election of the President is so deeply flawed. I, and my state, voted to prevent all of this. But my neighbors an hour away have more individual voting power, in the Electoral College, and they know that. We know that. But since changing it would require both of the big 2 parties to cede power, it's never going to happen. And still, I blame Biden and the older generation of men for this shit before I blame the American people as a whole. They couldn't stomach *all* of it.
TrueNorthernLights
This. People trying to blame Biden for what happened with Trump are trying to blame someone instead of facing reality. There was nothing stopping Trump from running for President again because there are literally no laws against it. This is the same as people trying to sue an amusement park because "you let me on the ride even though I was afraid of heights."
jzastrow
Point of order: the Biden ADMINISTRATION was effective. Which is definitely more important, but Biden the man himself was slipping fast
Akurei00
100% agreed that Biden should've stuck with his 1-term pledge. I also agree that he was slipping. But so was Trump. Biden's term was effective, in no small part due to his administration. Selecting that administration is exactly what a good leader does.
Trump's first term was terrible and the only thing that kept it from going even further off the rails was his administration. He clearly despised them after leaving office and said that he was going to have more loyalists.
OldSchoolNewRules
Should have put Donny's ass in jail day 1
Syxcfaq
Biden most effective? Not a chance.
TheJuiceLoosener
My read on the original quote here is not one of agreement/disagreement with Biden's decisions, but rather that we saw no indications that his age/infirmity were impacting his job performance. He made plenty of decisions I disagreed with, but he's been a conservative Democrat his entire career.
MamboCat
Biden will be viewed like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Did amazing things, but failed horribly at the end when it really mattered. Both because they grossly underestimated the threat of the GOP.
khora
He didnāt do wonders in Ukraine either.
NotFromFlorida
Also Dianne Feinstein whose months long absence from Congress when she was cognitively checked out impeded Bidenās ability to confirm judges BECAUSE SHE WOULDNT RETIRE. All 3 of these geezers threw us under the bus because they refused to step away gracefully
revolutionofevolution
Your general point stands, but Feinstein was more complicated then that.
bieberh0le69
Your moms general point stands
TheWisdomCube
I understand many peoples concerns with Biden but I feel like he was a VERY good president.
RedSkizzers
Probably because of the Biden circle jerk that all of 'left wing' media engaged in. He was young and dynamic and riding a bike and mentally strong if all you're listening to is Morning Joe and Rachel Maddow. They never told their audience that he was sunsetting, in fact they ignored that problem entirely! That's why his first disaster debate was such a shock to those who believed that lie
TheLiteraryMachine
He was sick during the first debate!
And it's totally ignoring the fact that Trump can't string a coherent thought to save his life. Biden could while battling a lifelong speech impediment.
RedSkizzers
I'm not talking about Trump. Stop with your whataboutisms. The debate was just the publics first unfiltered look at the president and the shocked reaction was so severe that it unseated an incumbent president for gods sake! You want to pretend like that was all because of a cold? Wake up
stryhf
If you're wondering why Axios is pushing this so vehemently, this person is one of the reasons why.
nasukkin
There's also the matter that those around Biden knew that he was not up to the job due to complications with his age. Those people chose to do nothing about it for the sake of political posturing, and they must not be trusted moving forward. https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-age-democrats-midterms-2028-6738bf46f73c06c70015e4b1abe43df7
RedSkizzers
Everybody knew, the media and the administration. The sound of silence was deafening as they lied through their teeth to people who trusted them, and now when we point it out those same people who were lied to will turn around and attack US for mentioning it. Tribal thinking is scary, some people just prefer the echo chamber.
alcaray
Biden might have agreed with you at the time if he could foresee the future.
delecti
It was blatantly obvious from day one that Trump would run for reelection in 2024. He had already tried a coup to stay in power. You don't need to see the future to see the fucking present.
alcaray
Yes but what does that have to do with whether Garland would turn out to be a brilliant or a shit AG?
delecti
Garland was Obama's SCOTUS pick because he was a moderate, and Obama figured he'd be a less controversial pick. Also, presidents talk with the people they pick before picking them, and question number one should have been "how utterly fucking bloodthirsty are you going to be?" The fact that Garland was a wet noodle is absolutely a failing on Biden for not vetting him properly.
alcaray
Rational, competent, and patriotic presidents do not direct their Justice Departments.
Trollingstoned
To me, Biden is the second worst president, simply because he refused to address the painfully clear and present danger posed by the worst.
Noblert
I really struggle with this perspective. An apparently unwindable popular perception for the Biden administration.
Chicagorooftop
He was old, but also too genteel. When they went low, he stayed high. Merrick Garland, a Federalist, seemed a moderate choice and a "fair" choice. Not Professor Tribe or anything. Well that amounted to being tolerant of treason. Garland forbade his people to go near the Willard Hotel Jan 6th planning cabal, and treated the riot as a reeelybig Breaking and Entering. No Fed. subpoenas of the plotters until 1.5 years of precious time was gone,
NKato
I want this traitor swinging from the lamp posts first before the rest of MAGA follows suit.
LoudBirb
I need people to understand that even if Merrick Garland had rushed the prosecution and succeeded in both a conviction and sentencing, Trump would still have run from prison. Doing so is perfectly constitutional.
Honestly, considering everything he'd already done and the felony convictions he had at the time, I don't think him being in prison would've made a difference.
Trollingstoned
High treason means the death penalty. A quick execution would have massively undercut his support, because his followers are weak morons.
Frobizzle
Holding people in power accountable does indeed make a difference and a big part of why we have our current government is because we don't do that.
Throwing him in jail would have done a lot towards cracking his hold on the GOP party, which in turn while influence voters. A lot less people would be likely to throw their hat in the ring for a guy when jail is a very real possibility.
LoudBirb
He had already been convicted of 34 felonies. Throwing him in jail would've effectively martyred him. The GOP would've spent the entire time crowing about him being a "political prisoner" like they did with a bunch of the J6 morons.
If anything, I think throwing him in prison would've further cemented his hold over the GOP, because his insane base would've gone rabid over it and the GOP has repeatedly demonstrated they're terrified of that base.
Blud4BludGod
If that's your genuine opinion then I can only assume you are the sort of coward that establishment Dems felt the need to cater to, who walked us into our current predicament. His supporters are diehard, you're right that they wouldn't have cared if he was in jail, and I doubti t would have affected his numbers much. You know who would have cared? The huge number of progressives who couldn't hold their nose and vote one more time for ineffectual old cowards who were too chickenshit to even try.
MAN9000
Running a huge campaign about how Russia is trying to attack the United States and starting programs to educate against fascism, and making arrests of people big and small who are actually breaking the law. Things like that would have made all the difference. The problem is, many Democrats were also in on the scoop of getting free handouts and cider trading and didn't want to give up the benefits of soft corruption for the rich...
MAN9000
With those guard rails off, with no real consequences for the corrupt illegal actions by the rich, a criminal like Trump had nothing holding him back. He had free range to destroy the country. Which was going to happen at some point anyway. No conservative as win the presidency by popular vote for decades because the electoral college was set up to give the rich and powerful more control. In essence, the United States has always been a fascist country hiding under the claim of democracy.
MAN9000
Publicans were literally burning ballot boxes and dumping bags ballots in the forest.
LoudBirb
Honestly? I genuinely believe it wouldn't have Made any difference at all. They very publically arrested most of the J6 goons and a good chunk of Trump's cabinet. Only Trump himself escaped.
No one would've listened to the other stuff, because the media and voters were determined not to listen to anything the Dens were putting out.
People still say "I don't know anything about her policies," despite that being the core focus of her campaign. She did nothing but talk about those.