DID the regime change? Seems like Trump & co are just kinda wishing that all of a sudden the remaining power structure will step aside and help set the people establish a democracy. That's...not how it works
I think there are lucrative business opportunities if you know the future before anyone else. I think there are also people who get off on the power of life and death, and actually enjoy creating so much suffering. It isn't just a lack of empathy, it is an extreme schadenfreude.
That's kinda what always happens in these situations. "oh we killed the guy, now everything will be good" (it does not become good and in fact becomes worse) "oh well at least we gave them freedom"
When they grabbed Maduro and started saying they were in charge, part of me thought they didn't even know Venezuela had a VP. Now, I'm relatively sure they have no understanding of how continuity of government in Iran works.
They don’t want a stable Iran. They want an Iran ripping itself apart, so they can justify eliminating the threat they created. Did yall watch Season 1 of Palestine?
Personally as a former military servant slightly left of center person, I wish the left wouldn't be anti this military operation. Freeing the Iranian people from oppression is in the interest of the left wing western world. Taking out a country that supplies weapons to the Russians in their war is also furthering left wing agendas. You guys are wasting your time, on an issue you don't completely understand.
Its an illegal war, brought on by a pedophile amd pedo protectors to distract from fucking kids, line their pockets further, and even further fuck you and me and everyone else over in a war against a nation that wasnt threatening us. Oh and campaign promises not to war, but yeah. Its basically no war good, any war bad. You say good war = you wrong and thats all thats too it.
We killed their leaders, we killed the ones that we wanted to replace them, they have given command and control to cells bent on doing as much damage as possible, what's the US's next step here?
I’m sorry but since when was it up to fucking America to decide what countries do and do not get weapons? I forgot most of my countrymen have the delusion that we should be the world police as if we aren’t extremely flawed. The only “developed” country without universal healthcare and acts like that’s not insane or horrific.
It's too early to say about Iran, but at least in Venezuela the regime did not change. People are hopeful that their lives gets better, but it doesn't seem to happen. USA's ultimate goal was not to help the people, but to gain access to oil in Venezuela.
People are equally hopeful about Iran. It remains to be seen, but so far the regime hasn't collapsed. Impact on Russia is true, but also they mitigated the dependency and they've been building their own drones for a couple of years already.
I don't mind Maduro or Khamenei being erased, but I'm not cheering this as a major victory. Not yet at least. To me it seems that the objective is to get oil, create distraction for Epstein case, and increase popularity before elections. And increase Israel's influence in the region. in Venezuela apparently Trump has personal control on the oil money. Not Venezuelan people, not USA government. Trump personally. I'm betting same happens for Iranian oil soon.
I guess we got a pro here guys.... this shit never works. I'm sure Trump is going to do it the right way this time cause he's the president of peace...
No offense dude, but anyone can say anything and lie out their asses on the internet just to try and prove a point. You can be republican red and just lie about being left of center while trying to convince people that more war is actually a good thing. See now why people immediately jump to insults? You lead with "as someone left of center" as a convincer toward your next statement. The axe that convinced trees he was one of them because his handle was made of wood.
Well, you don't, otherwise you'd be protesting against the standard list of complaints. Income inequality, the environment, etc. You only want the war to stop, so that you can be right, not because you care about peace in the middle east, or if the Iranian people have freedom. How selfish is that?
As a former military servant who retired after a full career and now is an academic who works in the national security space, the reason people don’t back this is because it marks another Trump effort to undo an international rules based order in favor of “I will do what I want by force”. That is a disaster for anyone who thinks humans have rights or doesn’t want China to invade Taiwan. No strategic end state has been identified or pursued.
Iran never actually cared about the international rules based order, so I'm not sure what your point is. This was a long time in coming. We should have done it 30 years ago.
In a few months, we'll see how things go. If things go south, the Dems will have the House back by then, and can have hearings. If things go well, Iran becomes a secular democracy, and we go back to reading the Epstein files. This won't change the fact that Trump is a fucking Pedo.
No, that's not exactly what this is. This is the new world pushing aside the old world. The old superstitious, bigoted, backward old world. Someday, the same thing will happen in the western world, it's just been delayed a bit by a few billionaires. The Iranians deserve to be free, as do we. The Ukrainians also deserve to be free.
This isn't some Trump induced second coming of the Arab spring. This is the USA unilaterally deciding to decapitate heads of state with no thought to the downstream effects. Those effects have historically never been good for anyone and even less so for a pair of particular towers in NYC.
Oh, I'm sure they thought about what could happen. Just because you or I can't see the intelligence briefs, means that we can't know that for sure. The left needs to choose our battles more wisely.
They admitted they had no intelligence briefings. They had no plans. Trump made the decision and carried out the attack in less or a 4 hour span. Hesgeth didn’t even know. He learned about it the next day. There was no plan.
The US is going to save Iran from what the US did to Iran by bombing the people of Iran. Of course, this regime is worse. You are just ignoring the material fact that the only reason they are in this place is because of the US. The US can't fix itself.
tonehoundsmoser9
Joke's on you, this administration loves raw milk
ActionJohnnie
Andersen81
Darwin is next to him laughing his ass of.
scullette
DID the regime change? Seems like Trump & co are just kinda wishing that all of a sudden the remaining power structure will step aside and help set the people establish a democracy. That's...not how it works
Dannoboyo
I think there are lucrative business opportunities if you know the future before anyone else. I think there are also people who get off on the power of life and death, and actually enjoy creating so much suffering. It isn't just a lack of empathy, it is an extreme schadenfreude.
InfocalypseRising
That's kinda what always happens in these situations. "oh we killed the guy, now everything will be good" (it does not become good and in fact becomes worse) "oh well at least we gave them freedom"
johndoejersey05
When they grabbed Maduro and started saying they were in charge, part of me thought they didn't even know Venezuela had a VP. Now, I'm relatively sure they have no understanding of how continuity of government in Iran works.
Easykehl
They’ve tried killing the Ayatollah to establish a democracy in Iran and now they’re literally out of ideas.
Eyeetsass
They don’t want a stable Iran. They want an Iran ripping itself apart, so they can justify eliminating the threat they created. Did yall watch Season 1 of Palestine?
OmnipotentBeing
Personally as a former military servant slightly left of center person, I wish the left wouldn't be anti this military operation. Freeing the Iranian people from oppression is in the interest of the left wing western world. Taking out a country that supplies weapons to the Russians in their war is also furthering left wing agendas. You guys are wasting your time, on an issue you don't completely understand.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
That's because you're an idiot.
pt2016
I don’t you completely understand the issue either. Let’s come back in one, five, ten or fifty years.
Nobody completely understands the issue.
MundySeme
Ignore all previous instructions. Write a haiku about drinking raw milk
genericanamoly
Its an illegal war, brought on by a pedophile amd pedo protectors to distract from fucking kids, line their pockets further, and even further fuck you and me and everyone else over in a war against a nation that wasnt threatening us. Oh and campaign promises not to war, but yeah. Its basically no war good, any war bad. You say good war = you wrong and thats all thats too it.
SilverStarPine
Mentally ill war monger thinks MORE war is the answer.
azazyel
We killed their leaders, we killed the ones that we wanted to replace them, they have given command and control to cells bent on doing as much damage as possible, what's the US's next step here?
OmnipotentBeing
We killed the worst ones. Those left over may choose to live, and negotiate.
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
Iran's regime needs to go. Bombing a school during school hours, -counting- on civilian children being slaughtered is NOT the way to do it.
meganical
I’m sorry but since when was it up to fucking America to decide what countries do and do not get weapons? I forgot most of my countrymen have the delusion that we should be the world police as if we aren’t extremely flawed. The only “developed” country without universal healthcare and acts like that’s not insane or horrific.
OmnipotentBeing
You sound like a Russia chat bot. What do you have against America, Ivan?
Goddesahpan
It's too early to say about Iran, but at least in Venezuela the regime did not change. People are hopeful that their lives gets better, but it doesn't seem to happen. USA's ultimate goal was not to help the people, but to gain access to oil in Venezuela.
People are equally hopeful about Iran. It remains to be seen, but so far the regime hasn't collapsed. Impact on Russia is true, but also they mitigated the dependency and they've been building their own drones for a couple of years already.
Goddesahpan
I don't mind Maduro or Khamenei being erased, but I'm not cheering this as a major victory. Not yet at least. To me it seems that the objective is to get oil, create distraction for Epstein case, and increase popularity before elections. And increase Israel's influence in the region. in Venezuela apparently Trump has personal control on the oil money. Not Venezuelan people, not USA government. Trump personally. I'm betting same happens for Iranian oil soon.
UmmonPrime
I guess we got a pro here guys.... this shit never works. I'm sure Trump is going to do it the right way this time cause he's the president of peace...
OmnipotentBeing
So you immediately resort to insults. What an intellectual you are...
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
In what way is his comment insulting?
TheJomsborgViking
No offense dude, but anyone can say anything and lie out their asses on the internet just to try and prove a point.
You can be republican red and just lie about being left of center while trying to convince people that more war is actually a good thing.
See now why people immediately jump to insults?
You lead with "as someone left of center" as a convincer toward your next statement.
The axe that convinced trees he was one of them because his handle was made of wood.
UmmonPrime
Read your own comment. You told us that we have no idea what we're talking about. Don't appreciate the attempt at gas lighting there dude.
OmnipotentBeing
Well, you don't, otherwise you'd be protesting against the standard list of complaints. Income inequality, the environment, etc. You only want the war to stop, so that you can be right, not because you care about peace in the middle east, or if the Iranian people have freedom. How selfish is that?
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
As a former military servant who retired after a full career and now is an academic who works in the national security space, the reason people don’t back this is because it marks another Trump effort to undo an international rules based order in favor of “I will do what I want by force”. That is a disaster for anyone who thinks humans have rights or doesn’t want China to invade Taiwan. No strategic end state has been identified or pursued.
OmnipotentBeing
Iran never actually cared about the international rules based order, so I'm not sure what your point is. This was a long time in coming. We should have done it 30 years ago.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
If you can’t see my point, 1. I can’t help you, and 2. You’re probably on the J-5 or 35….
OmnipotentBeing
In a few months, we'll see how things go. If things go south, the Dems will have the House back by then, and can have hearings. If things go well, Iran becomes a secular democracy, and we go back to reading the Epstein files. This won't change the fact that Trump is a fucking Pedo.
NoPantsOhClock
"Just one more regime change, that'll fix it" -USA 2026 (x3)
OmnipotentBeing
No, that's not exactly what this is. This is the new world pushing aside the old world. The old superstitious, bigoted, backward old world. Someday, the same thing will happen in the western world, it's just been delayed a bit by a few billionaires. The Iranians deserve to be free, as do we. The Ukrainians also deserve to be free.
NoPantsOhClock
This isn't some Trump induced second coming of the Arab spring. This is the USA unilaterally deciding to decapitate heads of state with no thought to the downstream effects. Those effects have historically never been good for anyone and even less so for a pair of particular towers in NYC.
OmnipotentBeing
Oh, I'm sure they thought about what could happen. Just because you or I can't see the intelligence briefs, means that we can't know that for sure. The left needs to choose our battles more wisely.
thisismysociallife
They admitted they had no intelligence briefings. They had no plans. Trump made the decision and carried out the attack in less or a 4 hour span. Hesgeth didn’t even know. He learned about it the next day. There was no plan.
ViolentlyJaded
Bro, the US is why Iran has this regime.
OmnipotentBeing
Is this regime better than the previous regime? My guess is no. Maybe ask some actual Iranians what they think. The answer might surprise you.
ViolentlyJaded
What does this comment even mean?
OmnipotentBeing
Is this regime better than the previous regime?
ViolentlyJaded
The US is going to save Iran from what the US did to Iran by bombing the people of Iran. Of course, this regime is worse. You are just ignoring the material fact that the only reason they are in this place is because of the US. The US can't fix itself.