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digasisv
Funny, my experience has bees the exact opposite.
Hitsi
what pet would linux be, outside of obvious penguin?
5omeWhiteGuy
Turtle. You always know exactly how its going to behave.
TasteTheCookie
I actually have to use my 2012 macbook pro for my canon printer because the windows drivers suck, making it impossible to use on my 2018 x1.
DopesickJesus
Same in regards to my 2015 MacBook Pro vs my new Asus somethingsomethig, but just with music production. The lag w windows drivers... ?
werewolfsuccubus
That’s Canon deliberately not making drivers for newer Windows releases so you’ll have to buy new equipment
evilspock
Phone? Yeah, usb. External HD? Again, usb. Webcam? Well, there's one built in, but again, usb.
evilspock
You know usb. It's the interface Apple brought out with the iMac that the industry eventually adopted.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
"You can buy an add on for 70 dollars that will add the features I removed :) "
clypsedra
I have both a Mac and two PCs I’ve built and I love them both. There’s reasons to love each of them
BobaFettApproves
Father of the year.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
I'd give mac a chance tbh if it didn't cost 3 times what it has any right to cost.
clypsedra
I got mine refurbished and it was still too much - $1100. But it’s 5 years old and still going strong. My PCs cost $1000 and $600 to build
bluerazzgummy
And just like the difference between cats and dogs, my MacBook lives twice as long as any pc I’ve ever had.
BuickRiviera
MacBooks are the 1997 Toyota Camry of computers. You mock us for spending $1700 on a computer we'll use a solid decade or so.
BuickRiviera
We save money using a beautiful computer we like better. Why does that bother y'all so damn much?
crocostyle
10 bucks says this will show up on r/comedycemetary within 24hrs.
DidItForScience
Your Mac must be broken cause I've never had those issues. There's a benefit to having a relatively homogeneous platform.
BlueLanternBraxx
Bottom one should say Chromebook.
seabiscuit7261425
This has long changed. It's quite the opposite nowadays.
coldwargofast
iPad build quality is leagues beyond android/etc tablets. My iPad Air original is still running strong AND gets regular updates
coldwargofast
Meanwhile the three android tabs I’ve had have died within 3 years or less. Including the asus that was more $ than a comparable iPad
PudgeyDemon
I have a Mac and a PC. They both have dumb stupid shitty problems.
AceJohnny
Having dealt with my Windows install committing suicide over the 1903 update, yeah no.
AceJohnny
And prior to that, the same PC hardlocking if I dared enable the USB3.1 controller. MB from 2016 fixed with a BIOS update in 2018
AceJohnny
My 2014 MBP hasn't been perfect, but it hasn't given me half as much trouble as the PC.
doover
If anything it’s the external device itself that doesn’t support the Mac not the other way around.
5omeWhiteGuy
That's not how it works
doover
I read the back of the boxes so I’m kind of an IT expert.
GeekTherapyRadioPodcast
But as a PC (mostly) user, this isn't relevant...at all. All of those things can easily be plugged into a Mac.
IncromulentManchild
I can count on one finger how many times my 2012 MacBook has crashed. windows? so many more fingers. also: windows drivers are a joke.
BeesKneesJohanson
I guess we should also cut to the PC taking a huge dump at the most unfortunate times. While the cat keeps its shit together.
SquidJesus
Apple products are famous for forced obsolescence.
SidneyHarbor
And the inability to repair them yourself.
SquidJesus
And my old PC is still kicking. I don't use it anymore, but its fine.
DidItForScience
Yeah, I finally retired my 2010 Macbook Pro this year.
ajchafe
I sort of agree. But I think Mac just feels harder to use/less user friendly. Good systems overall, though except for the cost
DigiT00l
Nah, Mac you start up and it works, UI makes sense, Windows is far less user friendly, but still is good, Linux is the leadt user friendly
ajchafe
I guess it is because I grew up with PCs. But I find Mac OS very confusing and illogical at times. But really, both it and windows are fine
DidItForScience
I grew up with PCs (& worked in tech) and found Macs confusing at first but once I got used to it, I loved it. Especially the command line.
dmitriid
It is definitely user-friendly. It’s just different from what most users are used to (which is usually Windows). It’s also way more 1/
dmitriid
consistent in visual presentation and expected interactions.
Zeuski
I recently moved to Mac and Windows (Linux user) windows is so much more intuitive. I'm constantly googling stuff for the macbook
DarthFutuza
They make it a pain to do anything advanced though outside of using terminal.
dmitriid
For example?
dmitriid
For example?
brianInternetTerror
Working in IT this is pretty accurate. Most new Macs come with just USBC ports and nothing else.
kc2syk
If it doesn't have an ethernet jack, it's a toy.
iwashopingthatusernamewasnottaken
ThePolishedTurd
I really like USBc. Its a lot more robust and versitile than previous versions
brianInternetTerror
True, but so many systems have just regular usb that it's impractical for widespread accommodation.
PeaceLoveAndBeer
Until it is. That's how mac does it, jump in too early but in 5 years everything will be USB C and mac will be ahead of the game.
Nosefornose
Maybe they should learn to not jump in half a decade too early
PeaceLoveAndBeer
It has worked mostly well for them so far. Somebody has to do it first.
DopesickJesus
Life of a PC owner
rvt2
And the virus scanner that slows down your windows machine for a day...
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Life of an Apple owner
DopesickJesus
You’re implying they can afford a leather wallet?
Nosefornose
Yet I’ve never seen this on my pc.
DopesickJesus
I’m jealous. I’m a PC guy, having ever owned one Apple computer in my life. But I’ve had nothing but a bad experience with Windows10 ):
prophet002
Don't buy GPUs off of wish.com and you'll be OK.
BobaFettApproves
Don't buy ANYTHING off of wish.com
AThreeFootTallChocolateMooseWithFudgeEyes
haven't had one of them in ages
DopesickJesus
I am a jealous man.
DoomeD2Walk
That's funny, I can plug anything I want into my Macs, and never have an issue.
RunicRasol
Usually just needs an adapter, and it works fine. I don't even like Apple, but I'm not gonna lie, and say they don't work with anything...
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
It's more that you HAVE to use an adapter, which more often than not THEY sell.
Fifofu
Put... put your **** in it. Jk, I suppose you don't WANT to plug many things into them.
madmardagan
All you had to do was wait for Apple to catch up to PCs and then pay more for it!
DoomeD2Walk
Haven't had to buy a new mac for years, so…
madmardagan
I must have used my old i3 laptop for 6 or 7 years before I recently upgraded. That's more than I'd expect from any computer.
Counterfit
I'm still using a 2008 MacBook Pro with a Core 2 Duo
BuickRiviera
Mid-2012 Macbook Pro reporting for duty
iLikeNoods
You are paying for the software and the security. If you want to pay the premium, you can. It’s to everyone’s discretion
prophet002
The first thing to fall at black hat is Mac OS.
SquidJesus
"Security"
iLikeNoods
It security for people that don’t know any better. Yes there are better antivirus softwares but apple base software beats out a lot of other
iwashopingthatusernamewasnottaken
really? https://www.apple.com/ca/macbook-air/specs/
Adato88
Your post says Mac, it doesn’t specify model, you pick the only one that doesn’t have additional ports to “prove” your point!
prophet002
lol they downvoted you. They're like cultists I'm tellin you.
DoomeD2Walk
Downvoted cause they're wrong.
Cananybodyreallyreadlikethis
No. They’re downvoting because all it needs are adapters. That’s what should be criticized, not the fact that they can’t use them.
spookyactionatadistance
He's talking about if the machine accepts it not what the port is. all MB post retina only have usb-c. Everybody knows that and those who
spookyactionatadistance
2) buy them are aware. Why is it that PC people always cry about Mac but you rarely hear Mac people saying OC are shit. I work with both and
spookyactionatadistance
3) I e repaired both. In general MBP up until the last gen were easier to fix because they only have 3 models and parts are
spookyactionatadistance
4) plentiful. Laptop PC's are harder to fix simply because there are dozens of brands each with hundreds of models each with yearly
Misteree8
Lets not forget this 1K beauty.
one thing Apple has been always good is marketing and convincing the masses
Misteree8
2/ to buy there products under their terms and loving it.
VirginSurgeon
I’m no expert but in my own experience with apple products, they play really nice with whatever I plug in to them.
cousteau
I can connect a PC keyboard and mouse to my Android cellphone using a $3 adapter.
jeff66
Makes me wonder if OP has used a Mac made since 2003.
RunicRasol
Not 100% accurate. Apple's answer is usually "Get a Dongle". Seriously. For better or worse Macs have an adapter for just about everything.
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Pillmatic540540
Yea, wish I had a better dongle...
goatfkersdidnothingwrong
Why put a port on it when you can SELL them the port for $200?
WookieFever
So does pc. They just don't expect you to buy a dongle for the essentials. USB being an absolute essential.
tuxedobob
At my last work we needed to plug VGA projectors into Dell laptops. So we kept a lot of dongles for that.
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
Which they shouldn’t have to at all. Yet they do.
fullmetalstark
Such as a monitor-tabletop adapter at a bargain of $999.
cousteau
I thought the adapter was "only" $199?
SamanosukeOnimusha
Their new MacBooks moved to usb-c at least. But that’s the only port on them.
RunicRasol
Still plenty of adapters out there. Including ones that adapt USB C to full size USB 3.0 ports.
MasterNateT
Not gonna lie, I love that the only port (other than headphone) is usb c. I can charge my computer from left or right side.
22960556
Love how when the MacBook came out with the USB c you could not connect your iPhone to it. Cable didn't exist
DidItForScience
Same with the high end Acer Zenbooks these days.
DidItForScience
It's the price of having a ridiculously thin and lightweight ultra portable laptop. You physically can't fit large ports into it.
encerche
Yep, one USB-C and not even TB3 compatibility on UX390. But the only real fault with that model is the poor battery.
pyrotica
That only they produce and cost $100.
BuickRiviera
After awhile there's usually cheap knockoffs of anything like that. But typically the official Apple version is made better/lasts longer.
RBMK30000
Sadly the same can't be said for the OEM lighting cable
jbcars4life
And only lasts a few months
Katateochi
The day an update made the (not exactly cheap) HDMI adaptor for my ipad "incompatible" was the day I decided to switch to Android.
Misteree8
Also manufactured by Foxconn
DrinkingBaby
Plenty of cheap third party adapters on amazon
DidItForScience
Monoprice has all the adapters you need for a cheap price.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Despite being produced by Chinese slave labor for pennies...
Misteree8
Hooray Foxconn!
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Remind me why their country is so fucked again?
RunicRasol
As I said, for better or for worse.... Also their RJ-45 adapter just sucks. It's prone to overheating.
GhillieTrollAskold
Literally the only reason they do this instead of using an open source port spec is to force people to buy proprietary adapters. That's it.
JacenHorn
Well that, and drive down the cost of production by reducing variation (see: Six Sigma)
DarthPreator
USBC is open source
davisboy42
They have their own proprietary version though
GhillieTrollAskold
Next you're going to tell me the sky is blue. I was referring to Lightning ports.
SolarFox
We’re talking about macs, and at the time USB-C was not a valid option for iPhones, forgot if it was because they were bad, or didn’t exist.
SolarFox
Also, you do realize third-party adapters exist right? They aren’t forcing you to buy theirs.
GhillieTrollAskold
No, but they still make royalties off of every single sale, or as a flat rate from their manufacturer.
ThePolishedTurd
*Unplugs keyboard and plugs it back in*. Windows: "Ive never seen this man in my life!" Linux: "ahh welcome back mr.keyboard."
jeff66
Windows does that when you don't use the same usb port. I agree it's stupid.
cousteau
Linux is more like: *doesn't say anything and stuff just works*
MightyIink
Windows has detected that your keyboard was disconnected suddenly. Please scan keyboard for errors.
SilverRazer
For a system that supposedly requires a lot of work to set up, linux has always done nearly everything I needed out of the box.
cousteau
It depends on how barebones the distro you're installing is.
SilverRazer
This is true. I personally run arch, and while I understand it's not for everyone, it's not as difficult as some say. Some are much easier.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Depending on the distro you don't even need to manually install driver anymore. Switch from nvidia to amd gpu and everything just works
ThePolishedTurd
I so wish i had an AMD GPU but i j st dont want to spend the money
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
As an IT manager with about 70 of each under administration, this is the exact opposite of my experience.
Zumitraveller0
Same
Gantzz321
as a Tech for over 40 years, Bull Shit
Agreeablebug6
I agree.. I’ve had a MacBook laptop and a gaming desktop and have so many more issues with my windows PC accepting ‘obscure’ devices
Agreeablebug6
Meant to say, I’ve always had
Deepfire007
As a mac power user for 25+ years, this is the exact picture of OSX in the last years. Switching to Win10 and it is great to be free.
nppraxis
I’m not seeing it. OS X is great, just been frustrated by the direction of the new hardware. I’m Hackintoshing
Deepfire007
It's getting slower and slower, good running things are killed and repaced by bullshit, networking went terrible with it,
Deepfire007
it WAS a really great system (10.6 - 10.8 probably 10.9) but now it's a bulk of collected bad ideas missing a common direction
Deepfire007
An example: I have an old white Macbook (plastic, not pro, ages old) running 10.6 added with an ssd.
ProxyPlayerHD
in my experience i don't know anything about Macs but i know that no matter what i threw at my Windows machines it always just took it
nppraxis
Macs too, and usually with less driver hassles. This comic is applying an iPhone criticism to Macs and gets upvotes by people who hate Apple
iwashopingthatusernamewasnottaken
sure thing you don't manage MacBooks
DirkNurple
I’m sorry you’re bad at life. They’re legitimately shitty for some reasons, but not this.
nppraxis
IT here, work on a MacBook frequently, you're full of crap and farming karma from people who hate iPhones.
CrownedHeadJohn
fight fight fight fight
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
Yeah, we got a bunch of those running around two. Same experience.
prophet002
Do you have a bunch of those or do you have two?
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
Type two->too. We have a bunch, also.
ICheckSpellingAndSuch
too*
evilspock
Usb is usb. Have you ever actually *seen* a Mac? Honestly. Talk about a straw-man argument.
AmbroseGudmaker
I had bad experiences with MacBooks and non Apple USB C hubs. If you plugged in a hub the WiFi or worse SSD would go down.
romicra88
Now if you're taking about phones, then yeah Apple doesn't let you connect jack shit
PeaceLoveAndBeer
I always have trouble finding the drive on mac, on win it usually finds it automagically. Just my experience, nos saying anything else.
Counterfit
What do you mean "finding"? Do you mean mounting, like an external?
flaskfullofcoffee
Command spacebar: „hard drive“
xmaneds
YOU ARE WRONG -- apple now takes *ONLY* USB-C thunderbolt 3. USB IS NOT USB -- you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
PV2moller
USB c is the new gold standard. It is faster, smaller form factor, reversible, more data and power throughput. Better. Period.
xmaneds
Great! buy all new cables and all adaptors and all dongles, should be about $270 to run your existing gear.
tuxedobob
You have no idea what you’re talking about. 4 USB 3 ports.
xmaneds
new macs have zero USB-3 zero USB-B ports and have only USB-C thunderbolt 3 ports
Counterfit
They both Thunderbolt 3 and USB 3 ports. They can function as either protocol.
xmaneds
and your old USB-B cables won't work at all. what i mean to say is "USB is not USB" -- apple doesn't support the 1 billion existing USB-B
tonalstates
My 2012 MacBook Pro can do all this. what are you talking about xD and btw still runs great, only blacked out 2x in 7 years, fixed it myself
AmbroseGudmaker
They used to be great. They've gotten bad. And bootcamp is almost unusable now too.
kookyabird
I have a 2011 MBP. I upgraded my Win 8.1 to 10, and boy howdy does it get hot now. Like crazy hot.
AmbroseGudmaker
It's even worse on modern ones. They've moved thermal management out of the EFI and into MacOS, classing that as firmware. They've also >
TheNerdRage
New macbooks don't have a USB-A, so you need an adapter for it
icanhearjimi
I'm still using my MacBook Pro from 2008. It's slowing down on me but still kicking, and definitely does the stuff listed in the picture.
Counterfit
Still rocking mine too. Gotta replace the left I/O board though. Random shutdowns suck ass.
Nosefornose
My 2018 MacBook can’t. What are you talking about?
tonalstates
I have a usb 3.0 hub for anything I need, that’s pretty much it. I’m on Mavericks Os, with 1tb ssd & 6Gb ram. I use it mainly for audio btw
d0o0o0d
2012s were the last generation of MacBook Pros with DVD, ethernet, FW, etc.
Clockworkdancerobot
Windows: Wait, that webcam is too old. sorry. Oh, the printer? Eh. way too old, you'll have to hunt for old drivers. Vista ones might work.
5omeWhiteGuy
How to: use a driver wizard
soulsource
Windows: Oh, you didn't save your work and left the computer unattended? Sucks for you, I'm gonna reboot.
IFoundOutThatYouCanHave63CharactersOntheUsernameHowCoolIsThat
I went to bed w/ windows 8. I woke up to a windows 10.
gnrgrbl
Downloads shitty driver... Now something else stops working
DeityOfSnuggles
Apple: Sorry your device is older than 1 week and will no longer receive updates.
BuickRiviera
I've recently had my 2012 MacBook and iPhone SE repaired at the genius bar. Both continue to work fine for my needs.
dmitriid
Haha what? Apple devices receive longer updates than nearly anyone except Windows. Windows is the absolute champion in longevity.
Agreeablebug6
And this is more because of the customers than their choice. IRS pays FUCKTONS for Microsoft to support 95 or whichever old they still use.
IFoundOutThatYouCanHave63CharactersOntheUsernameHowCoolIsThat
yeah tell that to my 2012 MBP.
iShouldBeWorking42
This is just patently not true, all apples devices receive years of support
evilspock
I just upgraded my iPhone 6 to the latest os last night. That's 5 years old. Same with my old MacBooks. This is just dumb.
DeityOfSnuggles
A shame it’s slow as trash now
evilspock
Except it's really not? It's a phone. I occasionally text message or read twitter. Part of why I haven't upgraded is there's no need to.
schlummi
5 years isn't old. I think he refers to 15 year old printers or wireless lan adapters.
evilspock
Except his exact words were "older than one week".
Clockworkdancerobot
Linux: Oh cool, yeah, I have the open source driver for the actual chip being used. No problem.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Linux: You need an OS for a 700mhz processor and 128 megabytes of ram? Sure i've got a build here somewhere...
iwashopingthatusernamewasnottaken
Linux: in order to use the os driver you just need to download the last version of source files and compile the kernel after patching it
Clockworkdancerobot
Haven't had to compile a kernel in ages. Even in the early 2000's the worst I had to do was do a make on intel drivers. Was easy.
iwashopingthatusernamewasnottaken
on 2001 I was creating VPNs with FreeWan and I was patching the patches to compile the new network features on the kernel for each new vpn
DarthFutuza
Only if you're doing this 20 years ago, or you don't like standard distributions and insist on using your own customized fork.
evilspock
What's funny as hell about this post and comments is that there are very legitimate reasons to criticize Apple - but this isn't one of them.
xmaneds
no it is tho -- everything gotta be USB-C now -- you need to get a $90 thunderbolt USB-3 adapter for literally anything/everything now
TarrkertheNewt
As a general fix-it guy from a rural area I can totally agree.
Talligan
The giant dongle needed to use a wireless mouse suggests it is
MithridateEupator
Find me a modern apple device with half of those ports and I'll buy it on the spot
tournier
https://www.apple.com/mac-mini/, Also VGA / DVI are obsolete now, they only stick around for retro-compatibility for older devices.
Arvandor
My usual complaints are usually with inability easily to upgrade/replace parts, and how they force obsolescence within like 3-4 years.
pandaboo
Can’t tell you how many times my laptop has been useless because I didn’t have the adapter with me. Now I have one of each at work and home.
BobaFettApproves
Obviously made by someone who tried mac once and failed like an infomercial scene in black and white.
alsoAzrael
I see a lot of people in here like "the post is wrong! Well, it's kinda right. Okay fine, it's a fair complaint, but it's SPIRITUALLY wrong!
nppraxis
This, seriously, MacOS has always actually been better about driver recognition/plug and play. Just make sure everything is USB.
THEBOUNCEHOUSE
Charging $50 per dongle to plug in 3.5mm headphones isn't a legitimate reason? You did me a confuse.
Counterfit
$9 is $50?
THEBOUNCEHOUSE
My bad the 3.5mm to lightning is $29.95 now. No longer $49.99
Counterfit
It was never $50. It was $9 from its first announcement. Are you using some whacky upside down money?
FreelanceSpermDonor
How about using a "wireless" mouse on one? https://i.redd.it/xutkqffdi24y.jpg
Counterfit
If you bought an actual Bluetooth mouse, you wouldn't need that stupid adapter.
FreelanceSpermDonor
New sales slogan: "Buy the latest Apple so you can replace all of your perfectly good peripherals".
Counterfit
What? They've had Bluetooth for almost 20 years now. It's not Apple's fault Logitech is a bunch of cheap fucks that won't pay to license it.
warmyourbeans
I am not an Apple user. Can you explain?
TheGlow
Sure.
warmyourbeans
Thanks dad.
Typingthroughchaos
Apple is pretty much plug and play. You may need dongles for laptops, but in general it's equivalent to PC.
NeynasGhost
As an Apple user who plans to never buy Apple again, you need dongles and adapters for everything now. Also they suck ass morally.
Typingthroughchaos
Mmmm maybe. As a once apple employee, I can tell ya once most people get in to interdependent devices, they'll stay with what works for them
Typingthroughchaos
Not really a moral question. More an ease of use reality. You want moral issues? Most of your e-waste is processed by the desperately poor.
nppraxis
On the flip side, Apple’s policy on user data makes Google look immoral.
Stoffers
Bad comparison for desktop OS's but this is an issue for their mobile OS. Android let's you connect almost anything to its charge port.
tuxedobob
Did you just describe a lightning port?
Stoffers
As far as I'm aware Apple/Lightning doesn't support mouse/keyboard, controllers (360,nes), printer, external HD. Where as Android/type-c do.
tuxedobob
Bluetooth supports like half of those. And I don’t know why I would plug an NES controller into a phone.
Stoffers
Meant snes (nes would work to) because android also supports emulators and roms.
Stoffers
One thing that really convinced me to convert was the Desktop style file system. Your files are just there not hidden in some bullshit.
kualityE
I mean there are better reasons but this is legitimate.
nppraxis
It's really not, MacOS is really good about plug and play. Just about everything USB works right off the bat. Even external GPUs.
JonnyHasACat
My missus bought a MacBook and an iPhone on the same day. Took them home and had to go back because they weren't compatible
nppraxis
That's literally impossible, and you're lying to farm karma.
dmitriid
iPhone doesn’t include an USB-C to Lightning cable. Which is a very stupid decision on Apple’s part.
JonnyHasACat
iPhone comes with USB 2.0 to USB C cable. MacBook only has USB C ports. You need to plug the phone in to set it up...
nppraxis
You don’t need to plug the iPhone in to set it up, actually.
BlankMage
I'd take a stand for Apple, but I don't have that kind of money. Are Apple stand jokes still relevant?
FabergeBurrito
With something that ridiculous, it's never not relevant.
samthing
With modern Apple you just need a bunch of overpriced adapters.
Silent1fd
Dont forget the $999 stand
nppraxis
If we're talking about Macs, generally no. Except the new MacBooks which are all USB-C, but that's becoming the new standard.
Emriys
See this is the sad thing, this right here. The fact that you think like this... yes usb c is the standard... for CHARGING. 1/?
Emriys
Only some tablets who either have legitimate space concerns or try to emulate apple use that port as accessory port. Laptops, PCs 2/?
Emriys
Jus HAVE those other ports because why the hell wouldnt they since Windows and Linux supports the drivers. Apple has trained people 3/4
nppraxis
There’s nothing wrong with USB-C everything. Adapters are less than $9 and open standards. W/thunderbolt it carries more data than anything
Keeperofthe7keys
They've removed most of these ports from their laptops so uh, yeah it is?
tournier
The surface laptop from microsoft got only 1 USB 3.0, it ain't that much better :/
flawlesssoul
Compare MBP to a similar Dell ultrabook, not a touchscreen tablet hybrid or a MacBook Air competitor.
Keeperofthe7keys
That's marketed as a more capable tablet, but yes, fortunately we aren't limited to Microsoft for hardware.
tournier
I'm comparing Apple Laptop to Microsoft Laptop, otherwise if we go into the wilds and get the hardware we want, apple still is a solution
johngofett
The Surface Laptop and the Surface Pro are different devices - the Laptop does not have a detachable keyboard.
kc2syk
If it doesn't have an ethernet jack, it's a toy.
dmitriid
I’m a programmer. Haven’t needed an ethernet on my laptop for nearly 10 years now. Definitely not a toy.
tuxedobob
So... phones?
kc2syk
Right.
SirJDawg
And why isnt it?
RogerSmithIsMySpiritAnimal
Because there are other products with a line or 2 of the same portless model. Apple has worse qualities in other aspects.
Dejavuism
So let's shit on those products as well. Just cause Epstein is a cunt doesn't mean we should forgive Cosby.
RogerSmithIsMySpiritAnimal
Or we could actually sit down like adults and discuss. The products that is, not the Cosby V. Epstein debate (??$
acme64
i have no idea what this means
RogerSmithIsMySpiritAnimal
I feel Apple deserves a decent amount of the crap they get, a $1000 monitor stand not included with $6000 monitor, 4/?
RogerSmithIsMySpiritAnimal
It means the main critique of Apple (here anyway) is they make a product with only 1 port type, USB-C/Thunderbolt3. 1/?
RogerSmithIsMySpiritAnimal
PLEASE don’t get me wrong, I have a decent number of Apple products, no Mac or MacBook, and I like my Apple products, Buttttt 3/?
RogerSmithIsMySpiritAnimal
But there are many other companies that also make a line of product (thin and light) with only USB-C/TB3 and no on shits on them 2/?
RogerSmithIsMySpiritAnimal
Along with the slowing down older devices, recently software locking newer batteries, shitcanning any ability to repair your own device etc.
ABluntForce
The joke is that you don't know what the next model will support until they tell you. Windows users virtually never have to ask.
tournier
It's because you have 1 provider against many, Microsoft's laptop are also being crippled port -wise
flawlesssoul
Because surface devices aren't comparable to MBPs, but ultrabooks are.
Toiletpro4
Mostly true. Windows 7 is being a dick about some of my hardware and software now. The big push to go win 10. But Apple is worse.
Evenmorehorrifying
Wrecking right to repair is a great one.
bundleofwoodensticks
I’ve never had an issue repairing my Apple products
Aerolus
You've never tried ordering replacement parts then
bundleofwoodensticks
Of course I do. I have NEVER had an issue getting a part for my phone/laptop/ipad etc
Srcsqwrn
Disgusting actions from Apple
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
And then telling customers that the computer should be replaced when it's a $2 part and 10 minutes worth of labor to fix...
swagb98623
Aint nobody got time for that! just fork over another $1k
McScrotington
$1k!? Are you buying a shit tier 8-year-old model? Try $2.5k-$3k.
Happylilpie
Nah he just buying a stand
thatiswhyyoushoulddoityourself
I guess those are company policies about specific parts or older models?
ninty9notout
Seen it first hand. Also everything is integrated now to prevent upgrades.
texasdean
Tbf that was just a planned effect of making them as thin, light, and power efficient as possible. Alot of ultrabooks are the same nowadays
StarThornberry
Nope, They go out of their way to convince people ( who don't know any better) that they need a new device (both mac and iphone)
thatiswhyyoushoulddoityourself
Shit
evilspock
You wanna bag on Apple? They treat developers horribly, often simply stealing features and driving them out of business.
DigiT00l
I mean, Microsoft did/does the exact same thing
koby
The printer drivers story is pretty good if you can find it.
LeMegachonk
The only way I could install printer drivers on my daughter's Macbook was from a Windows share over my network.
DireSteyr
Well, now im curious
koby
I bet.
koby
Ok I found it, cups... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS
DireSteyr
Thank you
captmcneil
THANK YOU! One of the worst experiences ever is to test a Xamarin App for iOS on your iPhone. Simple APK? Nope, publish it in the store.
captmcneil
Then you need to buy a Mac with XCode just to build your stuff, and the rules in order to get the app in the store change on a weekly basis.
captmcneil
I really love my old iPod, and my AirPort to stream music - it's great. But the dev experience, compared to MS is horrible.
Einstein9073
eh. the line between "stealing" and "following" is a little vague here.
SoraHjort
There was a case where they were trying to patent things like pinching on a touch screen to get money from other phone manufacturers, >
SoraHjort
only to be slapped down in court because that technique came out from a school that developed that technique.
SoraHjort
Then, there's the iCloud, that they tried to advertised like they created this grand new tech, when it had been around for quite some time.
CommentsWithGandalf
Microsoft did this too. Native zip file functionality and ISO mounting negated multiple products I'm sure there's many more examples
AMeanOldMan
All of the tools were already available for free though.
CommentsWithGandalf
To be clear I don't think it's a bad thing this type of stuff should be included in the OS.
DarthFutuza
Most of those tools were open sourced and free before MS ever introduced those features and MS implementation is also very minimal and sucky
CommentsWithGandalf
Both Winzip and Daemon Tools lost millions, but yes there were open source alternatives. I was just picking easy examples.
SJohnson23
Yeah, Microsoft is the one who stole millions from WinZip. We humble users never overused the demo.
evilspock
Sometimes in a quest for the new, they end up breaking fundamental things - recent keyboard and touchbar being examples.
TresusIbor
Maliciousness or the usual dumbasses that want to improve things but couldn't think it through if their lives depended on it?
evilspock
Excellent question. Apple shares an arrogance that Sun had: "we're really smart and we can do things better so we decide".
evilspock
Which works great until the make a dumb decision. And everyone does that at some point, no matter how smart.
evilspock
Non-replaceable batteries, non-upgradeable hard drives and ram seem to force users onto a constant upgrade track.
evilspock
Apple actively works to make third party repair difficult or impossible.
evilspock
But - ports and compatibility? Gimmie a break. It's a non-issue.
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
Also you cannot develop for Apple devices without MacOS
RobinHorn
And it has to be less than a certain age to work for the most current iOS version.
thesmelge
And if you want to actually release the thing, you have to pay for a developer licence.
WarwickPuckerson
I mean. How is this not at least one of them? It might not be the most prevalent but still
crotoss
Because the argument here is you cannot connect those to a Mac. You certainly can, how it'll behave is a gamble as is on Windows. 1/2
crotoss
Using a non-apple branded dongle for usb-c to HDMI actually interfered with WiFi, and had to be "shielded" with foil, but it had HDMI 2/2
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
Because it’s literally not true lol. Like, the ONLY good thing Apple has going anymore is that it’s user friendly out of the box
Wolfos
Because the answer to all three questions is yes. You can connect those devices, and they'll usually work out of the box.
DeaconJon
Nope. It was why I got rid of my Mac. Want to connect my phone? Hahaha! Nope! Connect a HDMI monitor? Nope! Buy an adaptor.
keroko
More of a coin-toss, really. Hard drives need to be formatted correctly, or webcams need to be the right kind or drivers won't work.
BobaFettApproves
ALL 3 USE USB...
xmaneds
how many USB-C thunderbolt-3 cables do you have in your house???
BobaFettApproves
The only ones I have to think about are the ones that come with each device. They all plug into the back of the mac exactly the same.
xmaneds
NO. you need a very very expensive $90 USB-C thunderbolt 3 adaptor for literally everything
MarxAvenger
With the newer laptops, it's usually with an extra dongle, but yes.
xmaneds
DONGLE IS $90 USB-C THUNDERBOLT-3 ADAPTOR
DanOrtega
Extra dongle is being extra by Apple...
vystral
“If you have to include a dongle in the box, you’ve already failed.” -Steve Jobs
qoniror
Weirdly, I found apple products to be of much higher quality and accessibility(with repairs/accessories) before Jobs died. Since? It’s shit.
zwiep
I'd take the specific adapter I need over 5 built-in ports I'll never use any day. But that's personal flavour.
MarxAvenger
I do think there is a happy medium, but I'd rather lean to the side of more ports than fewer.
xmaneds
you are alone in that one. i prefer to have a "functional" computer
JapAnus
I prefer not paying extra for features that used to come by default.
DrewBerg
Don't know why PC users have such a hate boner for Macs. Don't like Macs? Don't use them. Pretty simple solution, really.
literallymike
Thank you. Computers are tools. And personal preferences based on previous experience exist.
Keeperofthe7keys
It's because people who are more than casual users cringe seeing people get an inferior less capable product for 3x the price.
DarthFutuza
I hate them because I develop software and I always get OSX peeps that want me to make OSX builds and its always a pain in the butt.
Zeuski
Because apple milks rich morons, then everyone else imitates apples business model. Soldered ram/SSD etc, you can't even open a surface
razark
15% of the users, 80% of the problems. And two incidents of dropped support, meaning we have to convert all our work to new format in 10 yrs
PeaceLoveAndBeer
As a Linux, PC, and Mac user it's only other Mac and Linux users that tell me to switch solely to one platform. But I'm greedy, I need all.
AnotherWretch
Fun to hate.
ZAPZAPMOTHAFUCKA
how dare you, HOW DARE YOU SIR.
xizar
I used a mac once... *ONCE*.
PyramusAndThisbe
Parents are programmers and gamers. They program on Mac, but use Windows for gaming and general other stuff. (Great programming PCs)
PeaceLoveAndBeer
I do some programming and gaming. I game on Win, program on Windows, Mac, and Linux. To each their own :)
PyramusAndThisbe
Exactly! Each company/ PC has their pros and cons! Depends on what you wanna do with it.
PeaceLoveAndBeer
I always build my own so I wouldn't know anything about "name brand" pcs, except my surface pro (which I love)
PyramusAndThisbe
Oooh! My father helps me build mine. But I've heard Surface pro is pretty darn awesome.
brusilov
It's amildly annoying that people dont just learn to use Windows. Purchasing a comparable Mac for a user costs $3-$500 more with adapters.
N0ledge
I switched 15 years ago and I've literally bought two laptops during that time. I've switched because windows was trash. Not a problem since
saintsolaris
Have you ever seen those stuck up screenshots of iphone users says "eww" to a green chat bubble? Fuck every single one of them.
DrewBerg
I have not.
ilovebees
Most PC users don't, and for each one who does, there's a Mac elitist. (ftr I don't care, Mac, Windows, etc., it's pretty YMMV these days.)
Nosefornose
If you think this is bad, just wait how you find out how much irrational hatred mac users have for pc. Apple used to have commercials of it
Sphinct182
"I'm a Mac I'm a PC" kind of fucked that up for me. Pepsi doesn't run ads saying "If you drink coke you're a fucking DUMB LOSER! FUCK YOU!"
PangolinBan
Are you too young to remember the Cola Wars?
SirShmoopyofAwesomtown
I avoid them because of their ridiculous prices
DrewBerg
Fair enough.
veryhairyarea
As an it person at work I don't have a choice. iPhones are fine mostly but Mac computers in a windows server domain is a nightmare, and...
nopenopeyno
How do you even deal with that? We have only windows so I'm actually curious
veryhairyarea
The benefit does not outway the difficulty of supporting them
ImKimJongUnAndEverythingIsFine
Everyone has a hate boner for Apple. They act like Apple’s the only company who charges too much for their product.
neil137
at that level? they basically are
Empl0yee427
Because all the Mac fans I know constantly shit on my PC and tell me to buy Apple when anything happens
jeff66
It's human nature to sort ourselves into tribes.
MasterPrime
It's not the mac that bothers me. It's Apple and their business practices that hurt the industry as a whole and inhibit progress.
daydreamernightmarer
I’d love it if you went do some research to confirm and back up your claim... lets meet again after you found usefull info in 50 years or so
MasterPrime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.
daydreamernightmarer
You’re answer is wiki????
MasterPrime
Sorry. Wrong link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.#References
d0o0o0d
You have that backwards. Apple has been very good about pushing the industry forward technologically.
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d0o0o0d
Look into who popularized the first generation of USB. We'd probably still have effing parallel ports if it wasn't for Apple.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
And the fact that they are still going strong, selling thousand dollar monitor stands and slave-phones for even more.
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
I've never understood this either. You like a Mac, use a Mac. Like Windows? Use Windows. Like Linux, use Linux.
saintsolaris
It's not about the OS, it's about the people that make it and use it. Stuck up, pretentious assholes.
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
Hell, if you wanna run AmigaDOS of a 3.5" floppy, be my guest. Just don't expect to put it on my LAN.
AllOutOfEucalyptus
Has someone done that to you? Cause that seems oddly specific.
DontNeedAWeatherManToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows
Not recently. I used to have Amiga's at home. But you'd be surprised what people stick on the LAN without asking sometimes.
LupusGrey
Why is it a problem what people put on your LAN. Least of all an Amiga?
brusilov
Mac users cost more to support due to the additional costs associated with a product that has less computing power, but is nicer looking.
Thesomanyethcrazycatlady
In my experience Mac owners are the vegans of computer users
neil137
no meat, no speed
PeaceLoveAndBeer
This fits, because I see people complaining about vegans but I never see vegans complaining about omnivores.
Backtotheloops
NotHerrVonClaussen
In my experience its the ppl who use macs more than the macs themselves. Lots of pretentious assholes.
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
Someone is forgetting about "PC master race" folks...
SpecialProjectY
It's aimed at consoles, mostly.
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
Still pretentious douchebaggery based on PC ownership.
SpecialProjectY
Because it's a response towards console wars.
PardusXY
And it’s actually more tongue-in-cheek than anything else.
DrewBerg
I use mac at home at prefer ir, but use a PC at work. They both have their flaws. I've never run into one of these pretentious Mac users >
DrewBerg
Though I have run into plenty of PC users that love to shit on Macs, thus my original comment.
asmallcat
It's like the imaginary asshole vegans imgur bitches about constantly.
Empl0yee427
A while back I saw a beautiful mountain view ruined by a giant "go vegan" sign someone had somehow carved into the mountainside.
DrewBerg
That's what it looks like to me. I've also never been bothered by these alleged "crazy vegans" irl or online, either.
sturmhauke
I love my wife but she's a pretentious Mac user. I'm like, ok I get it you hate Android, can you please STFU about my phone already?
nero4ty2
do people older than 15 seriously have these conversations?
sturmhauke
You'd think there was more important shit to worry about than what brand of electronics you like, but yeah.
ShutTheFrontDoors
You prefer Mac at home but have never run into a mac pretentious snob, hmmmmm. . . I might have some bad news for you.
ShutTheFrontDoors
(Just to clarify, I am teasing. Also, I am a hypocrite. Sincerely, posting-from-iPhone)
DrewBerg
Lol. You almost had me.
N0ledge
All we see when there is a post about apple products is PC owners complaining about something they don't even own. Talk about pretentious
CleatPeddlingMinion
I don’t dump on PC people nor think I am somehow “above the common rabble”, if you will. I simply have too many bad experiences.
MasterPrime
I mean that's not really a fair assessment. It's more that they think their product is good because of how much they paid for it.
Skrewlex
so pretentious assholes?
MasterPrime
ignorant would probably be a more apt description. They're not often assholes or pretentious in my experience. They just don't know.
MasterPrime
Nothing like getting 4 year old technology at today's prices.
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MasterPrime
Oh you sweet summer child. They're all spying on us. iOS, windows, google, imgur, facebook, every single one of them.
FussyZeus
I love my desktop PC for gaming, but I'll never buy a windows laptop again. Build quality is shit. Battery life is shit.
BernieO
Windows laptop? You now that you can choose from different quality manufacturers.
MasterPrime
All laptops, apple or pc, are shit.
pancakesinthesky
That's not entirely accurate. You just have to know how to shop properly. Check brand reliability, investigate their parts, research, etc.
prophet002
PC users don't like mac users because most of them are border line cult followers. They pay grossly inflated prices for locked/inferior 1/2
prophet002
products whose only real selling point is shiny object syndrome. Then they act like you're an outcast because "wut u dun't haf an eye phone"
Typingthroughchaos
Not so much. It's that it fits the apple ecosystem. PC can do a lot of cool shit, but you have to figure it out. Apple does most of it oob
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Typingthroughchaos
Right. That's... That's how they designed it and got richer than shit. Working tech support for them is mainly how to Google answers.
DrewBerg
Or they just have a preference to the Mac OS and it's functionality?
prophet002
It's 90% kool aid drinkers. That's Apple's gig. Make it shiny,expensive,& make everyone that doesn't have one feel bad. *shrug* Easy to see.
DrewBerg
Ok