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bbueller
Wait until you read Pat's Editor's latest quotes about Doors of Stone...they're a doozy...
isthisnicknameavailable
Guys relax, he meant the next July 29, 2020, not this one.
theguywiththevoice
He just hase a cage fetish. Don't reward him
Frozenstethoscope
If he's not done on time maybe he can let a cable company finish it for him.
MeatTornado
I just want to hear the rest of Tyrion’s joke!
Pgoodso
He SPECIFICALLY said if he didn't have it at the con in New Zealand today. He can't bring a book to NZ right now. Win by technical KO!.
sluggingsausages
Fuck this guy
oblimo
GRRM has never, in his entire life, finished a story, even from his days as a HEROSystem GM in college.
Sholk7
Everyone is here complaining about him, he didnt ruin the show. The books are amazing and reading them makes me appreciate the time spent.
roseyreddead9000
Hey this man gives me courage! If he can take this long to write a book, and still get published afterwards, me taking 1.5 years is okay.
jakeOMG
He does have a chance to fix the ending.
p30better
He's not going to finish the series nor does he want to, he knows nothing he writes will be good enough and he's afraid of losing his fandom. https://ezmusic.ir/
Kopar
I'm sort of over it.
squirreltactics
I mean as of right now he still has 14 hours Pacific time. /s
finnsto
GRRM is the embodiment of the film "Wonder Boys" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0185014/
tanneberger2
Let him take his time. The books were a lot better. Even if the ending is similar, i'm sure it will have a lot more sense
RonSwansonJunior
Agreed but I don't thik he'll finish. After TWoW, hes gonna write a Dunc and Egg story, then Fire and Blood 2, THEN ADoS. That's 15-20years.
SometimesAfox
dont care about that bitch anymore
sarkonas
At this point just pick your favorite fan theory, there are plenty. It will be better, if any book even comes in the future
3Davideo
PersonalityFire
It actually did come out today. Long link:
PersonalityFire
BlairT1
I’m pretty sure zero people care at this point.
jaycatsby
I care. There are dozens of us. Dozens!
EnderiumSmith
it should be simple: the night king wins and everyone dies.
blumpk1npie
I want Bran to skinchange into one of the others back in time. That fan theory was so much better than whatt they did on the show
Djones06236
That character hasn't even been introduced in the book.
EnderiumSmith
doesnt matter. all white walkers can raise dead. as long as the average zombie kills at least one man before being killed theyll win.
BlackrazorNZ
Why do people not appreciate the meta, of GoT unexpectedly being murdered by... itself?
UtherP
This. When I thought about how I won't find out what happens it dawned on me...he killed off the reader!
yellowjellybean
He isn't going to finish it, neither is Rothefuss
Dugongdugongitsthecowofthesea
Please Rothfuss. Finish Doors of Stone. Best two books I've ever read in my life.
yellowjellybean
You know he won’t, sadly
Dugongdugongitsthecowofthesea
I still keep faith, I have to
cantcornerthewarner
He's not going to finish the series nor does he want to, he knows nothing he writes will be good enough and he's afraid of losing his fandom
blumpk1npie
Hate me if you want but his writing style doesn't lend itself to cathartic endings. I love his books but so unsatisfying- like Nightflyers
BlairT1
Too late for that
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
Yeah, someone beat him to fucking it up. Any old shit he lashed together while on a 3 month whisky and cocaine bender would be better.
BlairT1
Ahh, the OG Steven King method. It did yield some impressive results back then
darkhalfbreed
Suuuuuuure that's what it is.
Dimestream
I mean, he could use the time-tried DM cheat of listening to what his readers THOUGHT should have happened with the show.
FractalChainsaw
Have you heard the word of our lord and savior, Brandon Sanderson?
LightningMcQueef
That guy is prolific and yet high quality
maelstromverbae
Holy shit his young adult series are basically his relaxation projects are they're still epic, like Starsight
LightningMcQueef
Was Steelheart young adult? Even if it was, I loved that whole thing.
maelstromverbae
Yeah it was :)
maelstromverbae
He lives like 20min away from me, one of these days I'll run into him while grocery shopping I just know it
LightningMcQueef
If you do, swallow a nail in front of him and then act like you’re pushing your cart with your mind.
FractalChainsaw
I've met him at a couple of signings and he's super awesome! He'll answer any questions you've got so long as they don't spoil anything.
sunfield
I give his youtube a look on occasion as he often post writing tips. He strikes me as a genuine guy who is really thankful of his fans.
FractalChainsaw
If you want to do a deep dive, he's uploaded his entire lecture series from BYU on writing sci-fi/fantasy. https://youtu.be/-6HOdHEeosc
sunfield
Oooh, I wasn't aware. Thank you! Only writing for hobby purposes, but I do find he has some good advice for how to go about it.
imadethiswheniwastooyoungshootme
Unpopular opinion: GRRM doesnt owe us shit and we shouldn't be mad at him. He can work on what he wants at whatever pace he wants. 1/2
BrovoFoxtrot
He is the writer. If he doesn’t want to finish it he doesn’t have to ??♂️
ReginaKasteen
On the one hand yes, it's his prerogative to do what he wants. On the other hand, he shouldn't keep saying he's gonna write it if he's not.
pimpquisition
Well he most likely is on a contract with publishers as they do prefer finished works
TacticalBlank
100% this, but also, don't promise deadlines you can't make.
lunchboxbilly
rothfuss? that you?
JMassHysteria
Rothfuss did this for one book. GRRM has done this for at least the last three, totaling 20+ years. Granted 9 years is long for any wait...
JMassHysteria
Still, 9 years for one book is better than 20 for three books. And then, conversely, we have Sanderson.
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
Lol. This made me laugh but I also need the sad baby as well.
Equinox13
[You are blocked from following PatrickRothfuss on Twitter and viewing PatrickRothfuss's tweets, because how dare you.]
imadethiswheniwastooyoungshootme
That being said, please finish it really I'm really emotionally invested 2/2
PeterMus
Disagree. You can't ask people to buy your book and then decide you're too undisciplined to finish it.
Richter12x2
That depends on how many people will refuse to buy it in protest whenever he DOES finish it. See: The Dark Tower series.
nichfra
Popular opinion in response: True, but people can be pissed about it (as long as they stop short of shit like threats)
azazyel
He shouldn't lie. He said that Feat of Crows was too big so he split it into two books and that Dw/D would be released in a year, took 6
FancyPantlessTeaParties
He also said Winds of Winter would be out faster than Dw/D, estimating at 3 years (we're up to 9 and still no news).
azazyel
What pissed me off is I got my gf's uncle into it and every time I saw him he'd ask me if the book was out like it was my fault.
ZAufy
He's not lying. He's just too optimistic
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
Jean Auel took like 30+ years to write 6 books. And the last 2 sucked. Book6 had so many discontinuities from the previous books.
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
12 years between books 4&5, 9 years between 5&6.
azazyel
Try Tales of the Malazan Book of the Fallen. All finished
birdmanbuck
Malzan Book of the Fallen is fantastic. I just want the expanded universe of that to be finished. So good
NaziHunter38
Let's face it, there is no ending. The HBO series was the firsr draft, it flopped and now he's panicking.
ninjamantid
MAYBE IT'S LIKE NO MANS SKY? a shit thing because someone else came along and ruined it (in that case it was the media in this case hbo)
CountAiight
The Witcher books are pretty good
Jace99
The series only flopped because they got ahead of Martin. The 5th book ends with Jon Snow's death. All that followed was inferior writing.
Nocan
Those end points could have been good, they just did not build up to them well
Mezamete
No he just legit takes forever to finish a book. If you project out based on past release times, this looks normal.
ZOMGNO
Its 2023. It'll never happen.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I don't think that's it. I think he saw how large an audience he could reach, and how quickly he could develop stories, with TV. And now /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
he's interested in it as a new medium. He's working on prequel stuff. I mean, he already basically handed over the ending to ASOIAF. He'd /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
do it better in the books, obviously, but the fact is the ending's already out there now. It must feel less satisfying to sit there and /3
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
just wrap it all up when everyone's seen the end. I think he's done with those books. /4
ZOMGNO
3.5yrs later, and you were right. There was a prequel in film instead. Still no book
DaCrazyBeggar
nah GRR writes how i dm dnd, it kinda just develops as it goes along, thats why hes always been slow in writing. 1/2
DaCrazyBeggar
p sure he just had to make up an ending for the tv execs, and seeing how people hated how they did it hes just taking his time, i would
DaCrazyBeggar
i always have a rough outline for the story, but its barebones, im assuming thats what they got
superbest
Literally just take one of the million fan theories. Literally all of them were better
jamandtoast
IIRC he's had it planned from the beginning and commented that at least one fan theory was right. Wouldn't say which though.
JackieTreehornProductions
Crowdsource the final books.
armagetz
To be honest.....the core of the hbo ending wasn’t bad. It’s just that the set up and execution was.
FuriousBakedPotato
Bran being king is still the dumbest thing ever though
Zadwanaa
He wasnt involved with the story for HBO after S6? The ending is correct... but its how they got there that is different
potshot
We don't know. The general gist of the ending is fine and very much foreshadowed in the books, it's the million little things that are bad.
Zadwanaa
Yeah, that wasnt martin... And im pretty sure that it was stated that Martin broke off from the show to work on Winds of Winter
Aeonika
Probably would have been fine if they took a couple more seasons to arrive at that ending instead of rushing it so badly.
potshot
A lot of it would have been salvaged with one extra sit-down to think about how to this logically. Literally every problem had an answer(1)
potshot
that was alluded to or foreshadowed already.(2)
MCNewYorkLives
Most people aren't upset with the ending but more of HOW they got there (ie Dany forgetting about euron and getting 360 no scoped)
Slander7
How many battles in the show were not a TOTAL SURPRISE to one side? I don't think anyone in TV Westeros has ever thought of scouting.
MCNewYorkLives
Scouting? Is that when you send all your cavalry into the darkness as a prove of the zombie army
AmateurHuman93
SO stupid. Losing a dragon because no one decided to look in that particular direction and see the Greyjoy ships.
MCNewYorkLives
Not to mention, 3 or 4 direct hits from such a far distance yet they miss countless strikes when they get closer
AmateurHuman93
CGI budget cuts meant they could only keep one dragon
MCNewYorkLives
BULLLLLLLL, they been able to have multiple dragons before and that was before they were big hits. They could've EASILY gotten around it
Secsletariat
tbf hitting a cruising target at range is a bit easier than trying to hit a changing one in close quarters, but hitting at all was iffy. >>
Secsletariat
>> not like they have target draggers to practice with. although I guess it's possible missed volleys may have gone unnoticed.
MCNewYorkLives
The time they missed, drogon was giving right towards them and they still missed shots
sadsquatch
I’ve given up on the books. He wants to write 2 more books after winds of winter. That’s still agleast 20 more years just for those 2
oleksandr50009000
He could get someone else to finish it. The Wheel of Time was finished by a different author after the first died.
ColoneISanders
This is why I can never actually read that book series. I won't start reading/getting involved in something unfinished
FancyPantlessTeaParties
There's only one book planned after Winds of Winter. But at the rate he's writing, 20 years seems about right anyway.
sadsquatch
Oh good. Last I saw he wasn’t sure if Dream of Spring would be enough to end the series. Hopefully
josh15110
Either way we are never gonna be able to read it. No offence to the dude but he’ll probably be dead before last book is finished
MantisTobagganMD
There is a very slight possibility he is writing multiple books at the same time, to have story lines converge and all that...
Ghostlogicz
Nah he admitted to having scrapped a bunch of stuff as the show was going and starting over. Honestly while I wish him well if he died at
MantisTobagganMD
Oof. Oh well.
Ghostlogicz
Least the replacement author would finish in a decade
josh15110
He says that he doesn’t want anyone else to work in it and burn it
LightningMcQueef
I gave up in 05 after waiting 5 years for Crows and hating it. Laughed when the next one took another 6 years.
glassware
I can’t even remember if I read it. Everything after the red wedding is a blur in my mind
knynyda
Took me till 2011 since i liked crows and waited patiently only to dislike dance with dragons... Well, tbf took another couple yrs
Ar1k
Hm I thought he was pretty consistently with 5/6 years right up until that knot he was talking about with how to solve everyone goin to
Ar1k
Daenarys at the same time. At this point I just wnt to know what happens with victarion, dont care about the rest. So many good booksouthere
AeroGold
Mereenese Knot? The Dorne plots were pretty useless, not sure why he wasted time on them.
SurrenderTheEscargot
The Dornish alliance with Jon Connington and Rhaegar’s supposed heir is cool.
PropainAndPropainAccesories
Man I hope you guys arnt Berserk fans...
LightningMcQueef
On and off. Same problem
LightningMcQueef
But Ice and Fire is worse.
FG360
I am, and a new chapter was released last week!
amundost
Season 8 of GoT was so bad that I don't care about GoT anymore
NickRoss1
me too
SilentScreamsX
I didn't even watch the TV series past S2, so I didn't get burned too bad. Still no interest in the next book. It's been too long.
yourlocaleconomicsnerd
It was. A dominant figure in pop-culture. Now it's about as relevant as Baja Men, or pimp my ride
notasmokealarm
Agreed. Season 7 was bad. Season 8 was so much worse that I completely lost any interest I had in it.
equalizor
Yup, they Dexter’d it.
Yourpoliticalpartyisaterroristorganization
Dexter is still worse
equalizor
Cruel, but true.
Calvo7992
Yeah I realised seeing this post that my passion for the books is pretty much dead as well. Such a shame.
AngerInTheWillows
Completely agree. Its incredible how that one season destroyed the rest of the show. 10 years down the drain.
digitalist1
For me it was s7
flyingmonkeystick
It was bad even before that. The thing that kept people interested was the possibility of it delivering satisfying climaxes to storylines.
Jace99
Give up on an epic series of books because a TV show didn't live up to expectations? Really? No show or movie is ever as good as the books.
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culinarydream7224
I think you're overestimating how much impact he would have had even in an advisory role.
zaphodthegrate
Fight Club would like a word.
FiddlerofSticks
The show hasn't been following the books since season 8. There's several major characters from the books that are t even in the show.
FiddlerofSticks
*spoilers* in the books Westeros is getting invaded by another Targaryen named Young Griff using the Golden Company
JMassHysteria
Never has a cultural phenomenon experienced round the world so quickly disappeared from the public mind.
ZOMGNO
How I Met Your Mother was also crucified for its ending. I can't even rewatch it anymore.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
You don't have a very good background in cultural phenomena then. This happens every time.
bonkersbabytail
Seems a bit petty, like judging the entire career of a musician based on 25% of the album's they've released
amundost
I judge Kanye West based on releasing a his E minor song...
whyexactly
It's valid when they're all linked. Albums typically aren't written like that.
bonkersbabytail
Actually no, still invalid. We enjoy things in a singularly momentary instant. The feelings you had in early seasons, still exist, and 1/2
bonkersbabytail
are still valid. Same reason you can be happy to be broken up with X-gf, but still remember the good times.
bonkersbabytail
To hate the whole based on a part,you might as well give up on anything that continues outside your comfort zone. Acceptance is part of love