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TheWonderfulWorldOfDickButt
Theres a game company that knows whats up
Blkmagik12
I bought their game even though I am not a huge fan of the Witcher series. I am excited about CyberPunk tho
Shlano
I got so happy when I opened my copy and saw this, I ran to show my wife and ended up joy-ranting to her about how great CD Projekt Red is
Maitrify
Well shit now I feel like a dick I played Witcher 3 through a friend's steam 'friends and family'. As soon as I got money, giving them some!
Drakhma
and inside a EA gamebox is just paper with adds for DLC shit ill never pay for
4Astaroth
Was this written by Fabian Döhla?
Mil36
If you like Witcher 3vthen you should try Gwent.
IvnWng
Nah I never even bothered to play Gwent in the game, there so many side quests on top of main story for me to play, not to mention the DLCs
atomboi
Cool. Makes me wanna buy one of their games just cause they're awaome.
*awsome
RagnarTheFinn
Damn this didnt age well
BlindRattlesnake
Only a game so awesome could produce such equally awesome ideals
omegamonster
Annnnnd bought out by EA
SaItyEuropean
says the studio that underpays their employees and give them no benefits over the millions they made
ValiantToast
The first play through was one of my all time favorite gaming experiences.
GreenFox
I'm not convinced this is a good thing. If they bundle it with a key, they all they've really done is reduce the used value. Anyone confirm?
MattDark86
There was no key, this was just to thank for people buying the game, and stating they would be releasing 16 free DLC packs for everyone.
StormWingDelta
The key here is the number of DLCs. :P
FirePrinceZuzu
Yes. Also called Zero Day DLC. Makes for good PR though. Don't get me wrong, CDPR is a good gaming company, but not for this.
FrostBiteFubar
Fuck it I'm buying Witcher 3 even through I have not touched my PS4 for months.
YouHaventLivedaDayIfYouHaventLaughed
PC version has it as well, Steam or GOG.
You can buy the PC version...
flyelectro8888
I actually disagree (ackshully) Patches to fix errors, yeah, of course, but new content? I you work, you like to get paid, don't you? ...
... If they release a new Halo or Call Of Duty, they charge too. Now, if you WANT to give free content afterwards, that is very nice, ...
This wasn't new content, just cosmetic stuff that was already done. The content DLC is not free.
EarthDragon2189
Ugh. No. Stop. I put up with enough CDPR circlejerking on Reddit.
GeneralComments
EA buys Projekt Red. The Witcher 4 has 16 new DLC, each at the price of actual game. Also, it doesn't work on launch day
Mayhem007
Don't forget loot boxes! Lots and lots of loot boxes!
GreenJayBird
Brainlard
Still sad there won't be a fourth one...
ForeverAloneInHolland
I felt like they closed it off well and gave players closure. As for the gameplay, they'll keep making games, so I'm looking forward to that
Yeah it is and I wouldn't dare to tell them to make another one, as they shouldn't suck out every last drop out of a franchise (like Gothic)
Still sad to know you won't see Geralt return...you can at least stull read the books though which are also pretty nice
toxicgef
What dlcs were free? I had to pay for blood and wine
Leolol1
Others already said, but yeah they did nice little extras, which some companies likely would have charged for as microtransactions. 1/2
The large scale expansions were paid, but I hear they were fantastic (haven't played them yet, I got into W3 late). 2/2
smirkinghighgardenwhore
Same, it's my current obsession. I want those expansion packs something fierce.
andthedicestoppedrolling
Outfits, extra missions, armor, etc. Outside the expansion DLCs, it was all free
joshyjosh
expansion isn't considered the same as DLC for them. DLC is little things, expansion big things. elder scrolls style.
TheHappyMadman
the 17 small DLC's. Outfits, New Game+ and alot of others.
St0pthatsh1t
http://store.steampowered.com/dlc/292030
Kamasu0Tra
And look at that, I count 16 free DLC items.
houseofnifty
Yes, be more like the guys who do illegal shakedowns of suspected pirates and treat their employees like shit.
Yes they make good games but they're a giant company that doesnt give a shit about you!
EADimgur
Them treating their employees shitty has been deducted several times over. They pay the nation average for comparable living wages and 1/2
occupations with massively strict deadlines is always going to be high pressure, and a few disgruntled/disillusioned employees blow 2/3
things WAY out of proportion. 3/3
YourSiisters12InchDilly
I was really never too into the game. The combat was subpar.
Traja01
TW3 was subpar is every respect.
Wat???
sebastionloeb
Its defenitley not subpar, unique yes, but the sheer amout of ways to fight is insane. It gets much better in the late game
The3DPrintingPolak
I loved the game but I can't disagree with you on that.
TheRealDurdan
The expansions improved it a bit, but it was always about the story and exploration for me
Yea it was a good play through but I feel like I try and play it again and can't get into it
Fair enough
Imapancakenom
If you want combat try Horizon: Zero Dawn
Templarfreak
LOL
bloodsplatBOOM
I can see why people love it, but the map is broken for me so I can't fast travel or go to other zones.
Iresemblethatremark
Purely out of curiousity - Are you trying to fast travel from the map, or from the sign posts?
From sign posts, but the problem is that my map doesn't work *at all*. It's just a black screen when I open it.
I’m almost 100hrs intonthe game and I never encountered that.
attackofthequokka
"ghost mode" and "preparations" mods. there, w3 as it was probably intended to be.
pancakeisi
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What’s that???
www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/992 "The mod focuses on improving overall gameplay by fixing bugged and over/underpowered skills, (1/2)
(2/2) balancing of crafting, loot and economy while still keeping the game as close to vanilla as possible."
BetterLuckyThanGood
Such an incredible game too. EA and Ubisoft should take notes.
EAofficial
@betterluckythangood, the only thing we need to take note of is how much money we have, and how much they don't.
Vaz96
I think Ubi is at least starting to try.
subliminalcrmnl
most companies should I don't even have the game but next week I will cause fuck that's an awesome way to say thank you
TheClayKnight
EA doesn’t take notes, they take companies and franchises then destroy them.
asianmilkspray
Yeah notes dont make them money.
RalinStorm
EA forces you to pay full price for DLC if you play a game with access, which you already pay for. You lose access, you lose your paid DLC.
Aaronb1138
Chinese pay to win companies own Ubisoft now, so the suckage is really just starting.
noctynight
Apparently EA with Battlefront 2 after a while, “Ok we milked the suckers dry, now let’s actually aim at an enjoyable experience.”
TheCloney
Ubi did, AC:O has so many Witcher-inspired elements
trescatorcedieciseis
Yes. It's brilliant!
TheGirlInTheFireplace
They did. They wrote down '16 DLCs' and then got blinded by dollar signs before they could read the rest.
DarkBluePhoenix
Like that par about three years of developments
djevelskap
FullmetalT
That would require them to have intelligence first
DanFendi
Did you not play AC: Origins? It was essentially AC cribbing the Witcher's notes.
I haven't, I got jaded after a bunch of AC games being..all the same game. But people keep talking about Origins, maybe it's worth a shot.
It's a time sink game. There is so much to do I am absolutely gobsmacked by it.
QuickINeedAName
They'd need a notebook first
Ididthisforthelol
Maybe a 2TB hard drive to store all that information.
MoldyKetchup95
Sorry that's extra. But if you want the pages you need to buy the paper dlc for the notebook dlc
gingerjew06
I'll sell them one for 29.99. Good for 100 uses/pages
ThePotatoBandit
To be able to tear out pages you'll need to pay another 4.99
koalatyassurance
You can get 20 more pages for the low cost of $10, repeatable.
cyberjax99
I mean theyre going to need the premium pen DLC to actually use it though right? At 39.99, or 65.99 as a bundle
Or they can buy loot boxes at 4.99 each. It has a 0.1% drop rate.
They need to care first
Billis75
Yep. They are the way they are and shloads of people still throw their money at them.
TiredOfTheBS
Hit them in their wallets. It will be hard, but don’t buy games that do the behavior you don’t like, even if they’re good games.
It’s recently been hypothesised that hitting them with our wallets won’t work because of whales, we need to berate them on social media
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
EA and Ubisoft don't make RPG games so...
lol what?
IwillhavetheSpaghettiandMeatballsBABYYYYYYYY
South Park: The Fractured but Whole, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mass Effect 1-3, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning.
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
Weren't those 16 DLC items individual mundane things like skins and you still paid for the expansions?
Barbetti
Yeah, it was tiny shit like different hair and beard styles for Geralt. And that shit was announced before they delayed the release...
... No reason those "16 free DLCs" couldn't have been packaged into the game while they were still working on it through the delay.
But that wouldn't have given them the free PR.
MrNightfish
They were things other companies would have no problem selling to you as individual DLC for 5-10$. And yes, the expansions cost money 1/
2/ but they had 20+ hours of content so most people would probably agree that this is worth the price of admission.
I'm not complaining about the price. It just seems like the 16 free DLCs thing is being presented in a way to mislead
It's marketing, for sure. But it's clever marketing; most companies WOULD charge extra for such content, so labeling it as free DLC lets
people know what it is they are getting, and what the cost is; free.
If anything, CDPR is less misleading than other devs because they actually differentiate between DLC and expansions. Most of the time 1/
2/ when games get DLC equivalent to what the witcher3 got the would sell that to you. Even highly acclaimed games like XCom2 do that. 2/
A lot of the free DLCs were new quests that added like an hour or so each (totaling about 10), but yes much was cosmetic
ShaquilleOneilunderawheel
Don't get me wrong I love the Witcher series but CD Projekt Red needs to be more organized and treat their staff better
NotWrenP
I am willing to let it slide because the games are great but I totally agree with you.
Sasarious
This applies to literally almost all of them.
AgamemnonsMemes
While i'm not saying its NOT true, at the same time when people leave a company and then start talking shit, take it with a grain of salt.
flamingflamingo
It's a successful game development company. Tight deadlines produces high pressure environments. People complaining about working there is>
MrSlater
Wasn't the staff thing disproven? Thought there was an official reply clearing things up.
>literally the only thing anyone can find "wrong" with CDPR, but take it with a grain of salt. People are petty fucks.
ASentientToaster
It's a pretty big problem because it caused a lot of the people who made witcher 3 the game it is to quit.
That's very often how game development goes once the project is finished. This is normal. They still keep the core group of developers.
That is the problem they lost most of the core group because of terrible management.
No, they lost some SENIOR developers, not key developers. The one big loss was art director Michal Stec.
Project red makes great games but that does not change the fact they are a terrible company to work for.
So make a post about it. Seriously, ANY high pressure company is going to have people claiming they were horribly treated.
Orion1189
I mean, overworking and mistreating employees is a pretty big thing to find wrong with a company, but I also have no idea how true it all is
What's true is that it's high pressure and people are going to be disgruntled. It doesn't mean they were treated unfairly.
Define "unfairly". Many jobs are high-pressure. They were very explicitly overworked. But I suppose you could call it fair if everyone was.
That's what you're signing up for.
Most jobs have pressure. Jobs that have STRICT deadlines like game or film companies, or for example, SpaceX, is EXTREMELY high pressure.
BortymcBortfeis
Hasn't been a single 9/10 game since Witcher 3 imo
TheAdventuresofStealy
Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey were the only ones for me. But I agree in principle. Not only has virtually every other game [1/2]
since not seemed truly great, but it's also largely BECAUSE Witcher 3 set the bar so high that STILL nobody has really been able to meet it.
TW3 was 5/10 at best.
lacuaba
Just out of curiosity, what is, in your opinion, a 9 or 10/10 game like?
Fair question. Like, do you want examples or do you want my criteria?
Uh maybe just general criteria and 1 example? Haven’t seen many people who dislike it so I’m curious about your perspective
So I generally care about two things: plot and gameplay. So like HZD was a favorite, excellent story and polished gameplay (though it was
Depends on what you want out of games. There have been several 10/10 games for me. Just not from the AAA industry.
Could you share some examples?
I could, but it's subjective. My 10/10 will be different from other people's. Often devolves into ppl getting mad I liked a game too much 1/
2/ Or that I didn't give "their" fav game a 10/10. So I usually just stick to saying that there's a lot of good stuff there if you look 2/
3/ It also really depends on what you want from games. A lot of what I enjoy has been oversimplified in most new AAA games.
Agree, totally subjective. Wasn't looking for a discussion, just tips for good games i might have missed :)
I'll send you a list when I have a bit of time to go through my library. :3
CaptainCracker
CD Projekt Red is the Elon Musk of gaming companies
CandidGamera
That is apparently more accurate than you probably realize, or intend.
Matehfiera
Ummm...no really.
GTimgur
...what did Elon Musk ever do you for us/you? He's quirky and all, but he's not exactly an altruist.
Alfa66andres
Except CD Projekt Red has been found to treat its employees like shit, so maybe good games, but not a good company
So.. they're like Musk.
BlasserDuennerJunge
And both are not from Murica
And...?
You could now try to find the connection but... that that looks like too difficult for you, yet.
SarcasticComment
Supporting such silliness of suing Top Gear for a Tesla review?
ThatWhichRemains
Wait what?
Type "Tesla Top Gear" lawsuit into Google. It was basically a big waste of time and the courts said "giving a review is not defamation"
apolloin
Is Elon shit to his employees?
FsImgur
Yes they all think he's the shit. Hence why they work for him.
He demands a LOT from his employees, but whether or not he's shit to them depends on which employee you ask. Some love working for him [1/3]
and doing the work they do and don't mind the long hours so much because it's something they and Elon are extremely passionate [2/3]
about. Others consider it to be the fourth circle of Hell.[3/3]
thesolamnus
I mean, I dont know what do people expect going into a company like that. 9-5 workday?
storebrandproductmascot
Yes: https://newrepublic.com/minutes/144667/happy-labor-day-everyone-elon-musk
MediaMuerte
Making 17 tp 21 an hour with long hours means overtime and good money. If they don't like it, they can work elsewhere
In your opinion the wage is fine, so that justifies union busting? You decided the workers have no rights b/c you love Elon? Fuck that.
Workers have every right protected by government
NoeCarrier
EA drone pls go
This is verifiable fact
Not really, most of it is he said/she said
Read the company's response and tell me with a straight face that it isnt an admission covered in PR shit
DiracsDelta
This became a minority when people finally realized that video games were actually something to turn a profit on.
chrishallett83
Oh, you mean with the invention of pinball tables?
ghostys
To be perfectly honest games started being something to turn a profit in arcades
BloodyGarbage
They were always for profit what are you talking about? They're not art pieces.
ElJefeLives
Well that's the reality of companies in general. To make a profit.
namiasdf
Nah, it is a non-educated consumer base, with an addiction to the hype. Older games have been bit by disappointment, so we either concede
spending the money, or just don't at all. The $15 I spent on Minecraft has translated in to 5000h+ entertainment. I played Destiny 2 for
maybe 50 hours, payed $100 in WoW gold. Cost =/= value, and this discrepancy is becoming more and more obvious.
ChrisBronson
turning a profit is one thing, gauging your customers at every opportunity is what's happening.
lol what EA is doing is extracting all their internal organs and selling them at a profit. XD
NulHeart
And then cryo freezing them 2hen they underperform
Skywatcher16
did you mean "gouging"?
I did, thanks
CDPR has made assloads on The Witcher 3, in no small part due to the extremely consumer-friendly reputation they've now developed.
BluePaladin42
Kind of reminds me of when Stardock made bank off Sins of a Solar Empire, simply because it was a decent game with NO DRM.
cononinator
I hate it now cause you have to log into that shitty DRM that barely works
Apparently it has been too long since I have played, Sins has DRM now??
ElectricalOwlet
Exactly. Happy consumer = more money. Companies with good PR make the most
Housemaster
They're still nowhere near the profit margins of companies like EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc. Their workers suffered longer for less too.
Zyngard
Exactly, you make more money from not being a dick and giving things for free over being a dick and screwing over consumers.
SquidJesus
Games should be $80, but nobody buys those games, and now they need alternatives, ya morons.
CultofCedar
State of Decay 2 looks great for $30. No micro transactions but it’ll have dlc for $50. First SoD was great even without dlc though
SaltyJake
I don’t think anyone would mind paying $80 for a well polished, inspirational AAA that’s full of content.
I would much rather dish out an extra $20 and get a well developed, complete game, free of the constant money grabbing bullshit.
Hillhome
I'd still wait for a sale 9 times out of 10 though. I have so many great games laying around I didn't get to yet I don't mind waiting
Morganelefay
Which is fair and all, but having DLC AND Lootboxes AND Microtransactions AND a season pass...it's a bit too much.
Not really, no. If a game is well designed (Fallout Shelter or TF2) You can completely ignore the Micro-transactions.
Aye, which is why all those heavy milking games are too much.
But those are so few and far between outside of shitty mobile games and EA/Ubisoft. People complain, yes, but it's not a big deal.
This is definitely an issue. The cost of developing AAA games has ballooned to often nine figures, but games themselves have stayed the[1/4]
same price for decades now, not even being adjusted for inflation (so technically they've actually gotten a lot cheaper). I loathe loot[2/4]
boxes and microtransactions and have never spent even a penny to support these things, but it's really not surprising companies are [3/4]
trying to find additional revenue streams. People expect these really expensive, cutting-edge games nowadays but won't buy them for $120.[4]
KevinAtWorkDoingNothing
I can't wait for cyberpunk
Zyrin
Cant say that word now. Its Trademarked.
quizzacious
HA! How’d that go?
bravosbandits
"beep"
nonstopfox
Sorry I said the same thing in a comment before I seen yours
kiiyor
They just pulled in a heap more staff to help out with it too. Maybe they're crunching. Can't wait.
Baldr1985
Wait is over
harambedaycare
This has not aged well.
MyRightNutLol
Same
DriedFishFromMars
I played the pen and paper rpg for weeks on end with my mates back in my teens. Bloody awesome..
Ilove314159
Omg, I did too. It was suuuuch a slice and dice world. It was awesome. Too bad it didn’t continue on.
BurnieCinders
My next PC upgrade will be based around CP2020
or 2047 or whatever.
LostInASeaOf
I come from the future, it didn't go well...
Litronoideawhattoput
Idk if you guys know this but in tw3 there was a little easter egg pointing towards that game. I am excited as fuck
Seruendel
This? https://youtu.be/wQ6A3GvEVo0
Deadpoolio7
2077 is gonna be a good year for games.
PonyMadness
Let's hope everyone gets their games out early. If the Fallout universe has taught us anything, it's that the Great War ends Oct 23, 2077
WhySoSeverusSnape
Let's hope everyone get their games out good.*
Can’t wait for Call of Duty: Great War
nomnombabies
Would you kindly direct me to additional information on this?
illegalacorn
I'm hoping it will be similar to STALKER
s0bere
Yes give us some juicy saucy sauce
Dastroya105
http://www.cyberpunk.net/ Gonna be a futuristic RPG with guns and robots. Personally I’m psyched to see what CDPR can do in a future setting
Witcher with guns?
Maybe. Also the devs have said that it’ll be a single-player game, but multiplayer isn’t ruled out, so maybe Witcher with guns and friends!
Camelspotting
Up until literally today, the only things we knew were "Coming when it's ready" and "beep."
Wanderlay
Check out the trailer. It's beautiful!
CrimeBrulee
It's called Cyberpunk 2077. There's otherwise not a lot of info: it'll be a story-driven single player RPG in a Cyberpunk setting. They've..
SchizophrenicEuphoria
"Single-player" They mentioned in an interview they wanted to have a hub space/world where you can meet other players so we will see
Been very tight lipped.
Well thank you so much. I'm all manner of intrigued.
TheShittyReposterStrikesAgain
Please don't ever change CD Projekt Red.
OptimisticDownvoteLover
Wait for EA to come in. Change it to Cash Dollars Projekt Red.
Ifoundthething
"From the gaming company that sounds like they just picked 3 words out of a hat."
CaptGunpowder
I want to just take the whole team and wrap them in a biiiiiig, protective hug
Jonataurus
I still hate their name though. 3 completely unrelated words LOL.
Today making a profit out of a game is really hard without microtransactions. Maybe they should start doing that to pay the employes better.
chcedodomu
This stuff makes me proud to be polish and you can't truly imagine how proud I can be of my country since it mostly disappoint me with 1/2
fckd up politics and law going to shit every year but seeing CDR making smth decent and which is well recieved brings a tear to my eye 2/2
ACEPILOT666
No they should cahnge one thing. Their treatment of employees
6pace
you either die a hero....
FLockwood
Please keep your mandated overtime/slave labor on your employees and add a meaningless note in the game to make me feel special... Thanks
Abelthiar
This is how EA used to be.....
GeorgeGeef
Maybe start paying your employees a decent wage. Maybe.
I don't know what you mean by decent wage since there is no source but average wage in Poland is 2500PLN/month which today is about 729USD
Can't wait for cyberpunk
Steelballsofstill
sounds like my ex
DoublevBomb
I mean...maybe don't work your employee to death.
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
I heard their employees hope they do. Seems like a pretty terrible place to work at, sadly.
Its not, they have normal hours and average pay per the country. The rumor was started by so internet troll/disgruntled employee
Seems to me that there's a LOT of people claiming terrible conditions, for it to just be one guy being salty.
Ya but this stuff catches like wild fire. A couple complaints (real or not) get blown out of proportion and suddenly they're the devil
krapmyself
Change a little bit. I hear working for them is like a nightmare
Xannacor
Its a little frustrating to see everyone defend them like they can do no wrong, the main problem, or "nightmare" rather is that they-
-don't have the proper people in charge of managing someone And also how the main person in charge has the "my way or the high way" attitude
porrages
Sad fact of making games: In order to create something like Witcher 3, 200 peoples' lives have to be a nightmare for 3 years.
They just created a third studio in Poland to help work on Cyberpunk 2077. Hopefully it eases their workload a bit.
Ulthirm
They have to work hard hours and lower pay due to the companies financial stuff.
Speedboatwithwheels
From what I heard they pay a decent wage by polish standards, its just immigrant workers from the US or Western Europe expecting more.
I think its low by industry standards however as Well but idk.
PoppinLochNessHopster
So don't get a job there. They need passionate people, not people looking to clock out after exactly 8 hours.
tagmomg
Careful there, you're pushing dangerously close to the Alex St. John line, and if ya don't know that line, trust me, ya don't wanna do that
musicbeyondwords
Got a point though, you expect it to be hard, they love what they do. You have to as well or you won't stick to it.
aenigmata
Where’d you hear that? Do you hang by their HQ? Or do you happen to stick around the water-coolers, spreading rumors?
katwa
Not the one who originally replied, but I've got a friend in the industey. He said that they pay low (even for eastern Europe) and long 1/
Overwork time. If you work for them, you do it for your portfolio and get a slightly more relaxed shop elsewhere.
VioletMoonRising
Working for any video game company is a nightmare. Without mircotransactions, even the most popular video games have limited profit.
GoodBadGibus
Not only was the dev cycle hell but the management for the game was absolutely awful. Miracle the game isas high quality as it is.
dirkened
Not all game studios are like that. You only hear about the bad ones and not so much about the good ones.
You know nothing of the gaming industry. Games without micros make way too little money for the expertise required to make them.
No? Well, as someone who has been working in the gaming industry for nearly 3 years, I'd think that I might know a little bit.
TheWonderfulWorldOfDickButt
Theres a game company that knows whats up
Blkmagik12
I bought their game even though I am not a huge fan of the Witcher series. I am excited about CyberPunk tho
Shlano
I got so happy when I opened my copy and saw this, I ran to show my wife and ended up joy-ranting to her about how great CD Projekt Red is
Maitrify
Well shit now I feel like a dick I played Witcher 3 through a friend's steam 'friends and family'. As soon as I got money, giving them some!
Drakhma
and inside a EA gamebox is just paper with adds for DLC shit ill never pay for
4Astaroth
Was this written by Fabian Döhla?
Mil36
If you like Witcher 3vthen you should try Gwent.
IvnWng
Nah I never even bothered to play Gwent in the game, there so many side quests on top of main story for me to play, not to mention the DLCs
atomboi
Cool. Makes me wanna buy one of their games just cause they're awaome.
atomboi
*awsome
RagnarTheFinn
Damn this didnt age well
BlindRattlesnake
Only a game so awesome could produce such equally awesome ideals
omegamonster
Annnnnd bought out by EA
SaItyEuropean
says the studio that underpays their employees and give them no benefits over the millions they made
ValiantToast
The first play through was one of my all time favorite gaming experiences.
GreenFox
I'm not convinced this is a good thing. If they bundle it with a key, they all they've really done is reduce the used value. Anyone confirm?
MattDark86
There was no key, this was just to thank for people buying the game, and stating they would be releasing 16 free DLC packs for everyone.
StormWingDelta
The key here is the number of DLCs. :P
FirePrinceZuzu
Yes. Also called Zero Day DLC. Makes for good PR though. Don't get me wrong, CDPR is a good gaming company, but not for this.
FrostBiteFubar
Fuck it I'm buying Witcher 3 even through I have not touched my PS4 for months.
YouHaventLivedaDayIfYouHaventLaughed
PC version has it as well, Steam or GOG.
IvnWng
You can buy the PC version...
flyelectro8888
I actually disagree (ackshully) Patches to fix errors, yeah, of course, but new content? I you work, you like to get paid, don't you? ...
flyelectro8888
... If they release a new Halo or Call Of Duty, they charge too. Now, if you WANT to give free content afterwards, that is very nice, ...
FirePrinceZuzu
This wasn't new content, just cosmetic stuff that was already done. The content DLC is not free.
EarthDragon2189
Ugh. No. Stop. I put up with enough CDPR circlejerking on Reddit.
GeneralComments
EA buys Projekt Red. The Witcher 4 has 16 new DLC, each at the price of actual game. Also, it doesn't work on launch day
Mayhem007
Don't forget loot boxes! Lots and lots of loot boxes!
GreenJayBird
Brainlard
Still sad there won't be a fourth one...
ForeverAloneInHolland
I felt like they closed it off well and gave players closure. As for the gameplay, they'll keep making games, so I'm looking forward to that
Brainlard
Yeah it is and I wouldn't dare to tell them to make another one, as they shouldn't suck out every last drop out of a franchise (like Gothic)
Brainlard
Still sad to know you won't see Geralt return...you can at least stull read the books though which are also pretty nice
toxicgef
What dlcs were free? I had to pay for blood and wine
Leolol1
Others already said, but yeah they did nice little extras, which some companies likely would have charged for as microtransactions. 1/2
Leolol1
The large scale expansions were paid, but I hear they were fantastic (haven't played them yet, I got into W3 late). 2/2
smirkinghighgardenwhore
Same, it's my current obsession. I want those expansion packs something fierce.
andthedicestoppedrolling
Outfits, extra missions, armor, etc. Outside the expansion DLCs, it was all free
joshyjosh
expansion isn't considered the same as DLC for them. DLC is little things, expansion big things. elder scrolls style.
TheHappyMadman
the 17 small DLC's. Outfits, New Game+ and alot of others.
St0pthatsh1t
http://store.steampowered.com/dlc/292030
Kamasu0Tra
And look at that, I count 16 free DLC items.
houseofnifty
Yes, be more like the guys who do illegal shakedowns of suspected pirates and treat their employees like shit.
houseofnifty
Yes they make good games but they're a giant company that doesnt give a shit about you!
EADimgur
Them treating their employees shitty has been deducted several times over. They pay the nation average for comparable living wages and 1/2
EADimgur
occupations with massively strict deadlines is always going to be high pressure, and a few disgruntled/disillusioned employees blow 2/3
EADimgur
things WAY out of proportion. 3/3
YourSiisters12InchDilly
I was really never too into the game. The combat was subpar.
Traja01
TW3 was subpar is every respect.
IvnWng
Wat???
sebastionloeb
Its defenitley not subpar, unique yes, but the sheer amout of ways to fight is insane. It gets much better in the late game
The3DPrintingPolak
I loved the game but I can't disagree with you on that.
TheRealDurdan
The expansions improved it a bit, but it was always about the story and exploration for me
YourSiisters12InchDilly
Yea it was a good play through but I feel like I try and play it again and can't get into it
TheRealDurdan
Fair enough
Imapancakenom
If you want combat try Horizon: Zero Dawn
Templarfreak
LOL
bloodsplatBOOM
I can see why people love it, but the map is broken for me so I can't fast travel or go to other zones.
Iresemblethatremark
Purely out of curiousity - Are you trying to fast travel from the map, or from the sign posts?
bloodsplatBOOM
From sign posts, but the problem is that my map doesn't work *at all*. It's just a black screen when I open it.
IvnWng
I’m almost 100hrs intonthe game and I never encountered that.
attackofthequokka
"ghost mode" and "preparations" mods. there, w3 as it was probably intended to be.
pancakeisi
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IvnWng
What’s that???
attackofthequokka
www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/992 "The mod focuses on improving overall gameplay by fixing bugged and over/underpowered skills, (1/2)
attackofthequokka
(2/2) balancing of crafting, loot and economy while still keeping the game as close to vanilla as possible."
BetterLuckyThanGood
Such an incredible game too. EA and Ubisoft should take notes.
EAofficial
@betterluckythangood, the only thing we need to take note of is how much money we have, and how much they don't.
Vaz96
I think Ubi is at least starting to try.
subliminalcrmnl
most companies should I don't even have the game but next week I will cause fuck that's an awesome way to say thank you
TheClayKnight
EA doesn’t take notes, they take companies and franchises then destroy them.
asianmilkspray
Yeah notes dont make them money.
RalinStorm
EA forces you to pay full price for DLC if you play a game with access, which you already pay for. You lose access, you lose your paid DLC.
Aaronb1138
Chinese pay to win companies own Ubisoft now, so the suckage is really just starting.
noctynight
Apparently EA with Battlefront 2 after a while, “Ok we milked the suckers dry, now let’s actually aim at an enjoyable experience.”
TheCloney
Ubi did, AC:O has so many Witcher-inspired elements
trescatorcedieciseis
Yes. It's brilliant!
TheGirlInTheFireplace
They did. They wrote down '16 DLCs' and then got blinded by dollar signs before they could read the rest.
DarkBluePhoenix
Like that par about three years of developments
djevelskap
FullmetalT
That would require them to have intelligence first
DanFendi
Did you not play AC: Origins? It was essentially AC cribbing the Witcher's notes.
BetterLuckyThanGood
I haven't, I got jaded after a bunch of AC games being..all the same game. But people keep talking about Origins, maybe it's worth a shot.
DanFendi
It's a time sink game. There is so much to do I am absolutely gobsmacked by it.
QuickINeedAName
They'd need a notebook first
Ididthisforthelol
Maybe a 2TB hard drive to store all that information.
MoldyKetchup95
Sorry that's extra. But if you want the pages you need to buy the paper dlc for the notebook dlc
gingerjew06
I'll sell them one for 29.99. Good for 100 uses/pages
ThePotatoBandit
To be able to tear out pages you'll need to pay another 4.99
koalatyassurance
You can get 20 more pages for the low cost of $10, repeatable.
cyberjax99
I mean theyre going to need the premium pen DLC to actually use it though right? At 39.99, or 65.99 as a bundle
gingerjew06
Or they can buy loot boxes at 4.99 each. It has a 0.1% drop rate.
TheRealDurdan
They need to care first
Billis75
Yep. They are the way they are and shloads of people still throw their money at them.
TiredOfTheBS
Hit them in their wallets. It will be hard, but don’t buy games that do the behavior you don’t like, even if they’re good games.
TheRealDurdan
It’s recently been hypothesised that hitting them with our wallets won’t work because of whales, we need to berate them on social media
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
EA and Ubisoft don't make RPG games so...
BetterLuckyThanGood
lol what?
IwillhavetheSpaghettiandMeatballsBABYYYYYYYY
South Park: The Fractured but Whole, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mass Effect 1-3, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning.
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
Weren't those 16 DLC items individual mundane things like skins and you still paid for the expansions?
Barbetti
Yeah, it was tiny shit like different hair and beard styles for Geralt. And that shit was announced before they delayed the release...
Barbetti
... No reason those "16 free DLCs" couldn't have been packaged into the game while they were still working on it through the delay.
FirePrinceZuzu
But that wouldn't have given them the free PR.
MrNightfish
They were things other companies would have no problem selling to you as individual DLC for 5-10$. And yes, the expansions cost money 1/
MrNightfish
2/ but they had 20+ hours of content so most people would probably agree that this is worth the price of admission.
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
I'm not complaining about the price. It just seems like the 16 free DLCs thing is being presented in a way to mislead
Kamasu0Tra
It's marketing, for sure. But it's clever marketing; most companies WOULD charge extra for such content, so labeling it as free DLC lets
Kamasu0Tra
people know what it is they are getting, and what the cost is; free.
MrNightfish
If anything, CDPR is less misleading than other devs because they actually differentiate between DLC and expansions. Most of the time 1/
MrNightfish
2/ when games get DLC equivalent to what the witcher3 got the would sell that to you. Even highly acclaimed games like XCom2 do that. 2/
EADimgur
A lot of the free DLCs were new quests that added like an hour or so each (totaling about 10), but yes much was cosmetic
ShaquilleOneilunderawheel
Don't get me wrong I love the Witcher series but CD Projekt Red needs to be more organized and treat their staff better
NotWrenP
I am willing to let it slide because the games are great but I totally agree with you.
Sasarious
This applies to literally almost all of them.
AgamemnonsMemes
While i'm not saying its NOT true, at the same time when people leave a company and then start talking shit, take it with a grain of salt.
flamingflamingo
It's a successful game development company. Tight deadlines produces high pressure environments. People complaining about working there is>
MrSlater
Wasn't the staff thing disproven? Thought there was an official reply clearing things up.
flamingflamingo
>literally the only thing anyone can find "wrong" with CDPR, but take it with a grain of salt. People are petty fucks.
ASentientToaster
It's a pretty big problem because it caused a lot of the people who made witcher 3 the game it is to quit.
flamingflamingo
That's very often how game development goes once the project is finished. This is normal. They still keep the core group of developers.
ASentientToaster
That is the problem they lost most of the core group because of terrible management.
Kamasu0Tra
No, they lost some SENIOR developers, not key developers. The one big loss was art director Michal Stec.
ASentientToaster
Project red makes great games but that does not change the fact they are a terrible company to work for.
flamingflamingo
So make a post about it. Seriously, ANY high pressure company is going to have people claiming they were horribly treated.
Orion1189
I mean, overworking and mistreating employees is a pretty big thing to find wrong with a company, but I also have no idea how true it all is
flamingflamingo
What's true is that it's high pressure and people are going to be disgruntled. It doesn't mean they were treated unfairly.
Orion1189
Define "unfairly". Many jobs are high-pressure. They were very explicitly overworked. But I suppose you could call it fair if everyone was.
flamingflamingo
That's what you're signing up for.
flamingflamingo
Most jobs have pressure. Jobs that have STRICT deadlines like game or film companies, or for example, SpaceX, is EXTREMELY high pressure.
BortymcBortfeis
Hasn't been a single 9/10 game since Witcher 3 imo
TheAdventuresofStealy
Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey were the only ones for me. But I agree in principle. Not only has virtually every other game [1/2]
TheAdventuresofStealy
since not seemed truly great, but it's also largely BECAUSE Witcher 3 set the bar so high that STILL nobody has really been able to meet it.
Traja01
TW3 was 5/10 at best.
lacuaba
Just out of curiosity, what is, in your opinion, a 9 or 10/10 game like?
Traja01
Fair question. Like, do you want examples or do you want my criteria?
lacuaba
Uh maybe just general criteria and 1 example? Haven’t seen many people who dislike it so I’m curious about your perspective
Traja01
So I generally care about two things: plot and gameplay. So like HZD was a favorite, excellent story and polished gameplay (though it was
MrNightfish
Depends on what you want out of games. There have been several 10/10 games for me. Just not from the AAA industry.
BortymcBortfeis
Could you share some examples?
MrNightfish
I could, but it's subjective. My 10/10 will be different from other people's. Often devolves into ppl getting mad I liked a game too much 1/
MrNightfish
2/ Or that I didn't give "their" fav game a 10/10. So I usually just stick to saying that there's a lot of good stuff there if you look 2/
MrNightfish
3/ It also really depends on what you want from games. A lot of what I enjoy has been oversimplified in most new AAA games.
BortymcBortfeis
Agree, totally subjective. Wasn't looking for a discussion, just tips for good games i might have missed :)
MrNightfish
I'll send you a list when I have a bit of time to go through my library. :3
CaptainCracker
CD Projekt Red is the Elon Musk of gaming companies
CandidGamera
That is apparently more accurate than you probably realize, or intend.
Matehfiera
IvnWng
Ummm...no really.
GTimgur
...what did Elon Musk ever do you for us/you? He's quirky and all, but he's not exactly an altruist.
Alfa66andres
Except CD Projekt Red has been found to treat its employees like shit, so maybe good games, but not a good company
CandidGamera
So.. they're like Musk.
BlasserDuennerJunge
And both are not from Murica
Matehfiera
And...?
BlasserDuennerJunge
You could now try to find the connection but... that that looks like too difficult for you, yet.
SarcasticComment
Supporting such silliness of suing Top Gear for a Tesla review?
ThatWhichRemains
Wait what?
SarcasticComment
Type "Tesla Top Gear" lawsuit into Google. It was basically a big waste of time and the courts said "giving a review is not defamation"
apolloin
Is Elon shit to his employees?
FsImgur
Yes they all think he's the shit. Hence why they work for him.
TheAdventuresofStealy
He demands a LOT from his employees, but whether or not he's shit to them depends on which employee you ask. Some love working for him [1/3]
TheAdventuresofStealy
and doing the work they do and don't mind the long hours so much because it's something they and Elon are extremely passionate [2/3]
TheAdventuresofStealy
about. Others consider it to be the fourth circle of Hell.[3/3]
thesolamnus
I mean, I dont know what do people expect going into a company like that. 9-5 workday?
storebrandproductmascot
Yes: https://newrepublic.com/minutes/144667/happy-labor-day-everyone-elon-musk
MediaMuerte
Making 17 tp 21 an hour with long hours means overtime and good money. If they don't like it, they can work elsewhere
storebrandproductmascot
In your opinion the wage is fine, so that justifies union busting? You decided the workers have no rights b/c you love Elon? Fuck that.
MediaMuerte
Workers have every right protected by government
NoeCarrier
EA drone pls go
houseofnifty
This is verifiable fact
thesolamnus
Not really, most of it is he said/she said
houseofnifty
Read the company's response and tell me with a straight face that it isnt an admission covered in PR shit
DiracsDelta
This became a minority when people finally realized that video games were actually something to turn a profit on.
chrishallett83
Oh, you mean with the invention of pinball tables?
ghostys
To be perfectly honest games started being something to turn a profit in arcades
BloodyGarbage
They were always for profit what are you talking about? They're not art pieces.
ElJefeLives
Well that's the reality of companies in general. To make a profit.
namiasdf
Nah, it is a non-educated consumer base, with an addiction to the hype. Older games have been bit by disappointment, so we either concede
namiasdf
spending the money, or just don't at all. The $15 I spent on Minecraft has translated in to 5000h+ entertainment. I played Destiny 2 for
namiasdf
maybe 50 hours, payed $100 in WoW gold. Cost =/= value, and this discrepancy is becoming more and more obvious.
ChrisBronson
turning a profit is one thing, gauging your customers at every opportunity is what's happening.
StormWingDelta
lol what EA is doing is extracting all their internal organs and selling them at a profit. XD
NulHeart
And then cryo freezing them 2hen they underperform
Skywatcher16
did you mean "gouging"?
ChrisBronson
I did, thanks
TheAdventuresofStealy
CDPR has made assloads on The Witcher 3, in no small part due to the extremely consumer-friendly reputation they've now developed.
BluePaladin42
Kind of reminds me of when Stardock made bank off Sins of a Solar Empire, simply because it was a decent game with NO DRM.
cononinator
I hate it now cause you have to log into that shitty DRM that barely works
BluePaladin42
Apparently it has been too long since I have played, Sins has DRM now??
ElectricalOwlet
Exactly. Happy consumer = more money. Companies with good PR make the most
Housemaster
They're still nowhere near the profit margins of companies like EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc. Their workers suffered longer for less too.
Zyngard
Exactly, you make more money from not being a dick and giving things for free over being a dick and screwing over consumers.
SquidJesus
Games should be $80, but nobody buys those games, and now they need alternatives, ya morons.
CultofCedar
State of Decay 2 looks great for $30. No micro transactions but it’ll have dlc for $50. First SoD was great even without dlc though
SaltyJake
I don’t think anyone would mind paying $80 for a well polished, inspirational AAA that’s full of content.
SaltyJake
I would much rather dish out an extra $20 and get a well developed, complete game, free of the constant money grabbing bullshit.
Hillhome
I'd still wait for a sale 9 times out of 10 though. I have so many great games laying around I didn't get to yet I don't mind waiting
Morganelefay
Which is fair and all, but having DLC AND Lootboxes AND Microtransactions AND a season pass...it's a bit too much.
SquidJesus
Not really, no. If a game is well designed (Fallout Shelter or TF2) You can completely ignore the Micro-transactions.
Morganelefay
Aye, which is why all those heavy milking games are too much.
SquidJesus
But those are so few and far between outside of shitty mobile games and EA/Ubisoft. People complain, yes, but it's not a big deal.
TheAdventuresofStealy
This is definitely an issue. The cost of developing AAA games has ballooned to often nine figures, but games themselves have stayed the[1/4]
TheAdventuresofStealy
same price for decades now, not even being adjusted for inflation (so technically they've actually gotten a lot cheaper). I loathe loot[2/4]
TheAdventuresofStealy
boxes and microtransactions and have never spent even a penny to support these things, but it's really not surprising companies are [3/4]
TheAdventuresofStealy
trying to find additional revenue streams. People expect these really expensive, cutting-edge games nowadays but won't buy them for $120.[4]
KevinAtWorkDoingNothing
I can't wait for cyberpunk
Zyrin
Cant say that word now. Its Trademarked.
quizzacious
HA! How’d that go?
bravosbandits
"beep"
nonstopfox
Sorry I said the same thing in a comment before I seen yours
kiiyor
They just pulled in a heap more staff to help out with it too. Maybe they're crunching. Can't wait.
Baldr1985
Wait is over
harambedaycare
This has not aged well.
MyRightNutLol
Same
DriedFishFromMars
I played the pen and paper rpg for weeks on end with my mates back in my teens. Bloody awesome..
Ilove314159
Omg, I did too. It was suuuuch a slice and dice world. It was awesome. Too bad it didn’t continue on.
BurnieCinders
My next PC upgrade will be based around CP2020
BurnieCinders
or 2047 or whatever.
LostInASeaOf
I come from the future, it didn't go well...
Litronoideawhattoput
Idk if you guys know this but in tw3 there was a little easter egg pointing towards that game. I am excited as fuck
Seruendel
This? https://youtu.be/wQ6A3GvEVo0
Deadpoolio7
2077 is gonna be a good year for games.
PonyMadness
Let's hope everyone gets their games out early. If the Fallout universe has taught us anything, it's that the Great War ends Oct 23, 2077
WhySoSeverusSnape
Let's hope everyone get their games out good.*
Deadpoolio7
Can’t wait for Call of Duty: Great War
nomnombabies
Would you kindly direct me to additional information on this?
illegalacorn
I'm hoping it will be similar to STALKER
s0bere
Yes give us some juicy saucy sauce
Dastroya105
http://www.cyberpunk.net/ Gonna be a futuristic RPG with guns and robots. Personally I’m psyched to see what CDPR can do in a future setting
FirePrinceZuzu
Witcher with guns?
Dastroya105
Maybe. Also the devs have said that it’ll be a single-player game, but multiplayer isn’t ruled out, so maybe Witcher with guns and friends!
Camelspotting
Up until literally today, the only things we knew were "Coming when it's ready" and "beep."
Wanderlay
Check out the trailer. It's beautiful!
CrimeBrulee
It's called Cyberpunk 2077. There's otherwise not a lot of info: it'll be a story-driven single player RPG in a Cyberpunk setting. They've..
SchizophrenicEuphoria
"Single-player" They mentioned in an interview they wanted to have a hub space/world where you can meet other players so we will see
CrimeBrulee
Been very tight lipped.
nomnombabies
Well thank you so much. I'm all manner of intrigued.
TheShittyReposterStrikesAgain
Please don't ever change CD Projekt Red.
OptimisticDownvoteLover
Wait for EA to come in. Change it to Cash Dollars Projekt Red.
Ifoundthething
"From the gaming company that sounds like they just picked 3 words out of a hat."
CaptGunpowder
I want to just take the whole team and wrap them in a biiiiiig, protective hug
Jonataurus
I still hate their name though. 3 completely unrelated words LOL.
WhySoSeverusSnape
Today making a profit out of a game is really hard without microtransactions. Maybe they should start doing that to pay the employes better.
chcedodomu
This stuff makes me proud to be polish and you can't truly imagine how proud I can be of my country since it mostly disappoint me with 1/2
chcedodomu
fckd up politics and law going to shit every year but seeing CDR making smth decent and which is well recieved brings a tear to my eye 2/2
ACEPILOT666
No they should cahnge one thing. Their treatment of employees
6pace
you either die a hero....
FLockwood
Please keep your mandated overtime/slave labor on your employees and add a meaningless note in the game to make me feel special... Thanks
Abelthiar
This is how EA used to be.....
GeorgeGeef
Maybe start paying your employees a decent wage. Maybe.
chcedodomu
I don't know what you mean by decent wage since there is no source but average wage in Poland is 2500PLN/month which today is about 729USD
nonstopfox
Can't wait for cyberpunk
Steelballsofstill
sounds like my ex
DoublevBomb
I mean...maybe don't work your employee to death.
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
I heard their employees hope they do. Seems like a pretty terrible place to work at, sadly.
EADimgur
Its not, they have normal hours and average pay per the country. The rumor was started by so internet troll/disgruntled employee
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
Seems to me that there's a LOT of people claiming terrible conditions, for it to just be one guy being salty.
EADimgur
Ya but this stuff catches like wild fire. A couple complaints (real or not) get blown out of proportion and suddenly they're the devil
krapmyself
Change a little bit. I hear working for them is like a nightmare
Xannacor
Its a little frustrating to see everyone defend them like they can do no wrong, the main problem, or "nightmare" rather is that they-
Xannacor
-don't have the proper people in charge of managing someone And also how the main person in charge has the "my way or the high way" attitude
porrages
Sad fact of making games: In order to create something like Witcher 3, 200 peoples' lives have to be a nightmare for 3 years.
TheAdventuresofStealy
They just created a third studio in Poland to help work on Cyberpunk 2077. Hopefully it eases their workload a bit.
Ulthirm
They have to work hard hours and lower pay due to the companies financial stuff.
Speedboatwithwheels
From what I heard they pay a decent wage by polish standards, its just immigrant workers from the US or Western Europe expecting more.
Ulthirm
I think its low by industry standards however as Well but idk.
PoppinLochNessHopster
So don't get a job there. They need passionate people, not people looking to clock out after exactly 8 hours.
tagmomg
Careful there, you're pushing dangerously close to the Alex St. John line, and if ya don't know that line, trust me, ya don't wanna do that
musicbeyondwords
Got a point though, you expect it to be hard, they love what they do. You have to as well or you won't stick to it.
aenigmata
Where’d you hear that? Do you hang by their HQ? Or do you happen to stick around the water-coolers, spreading rumors?
katwa
Not the one who originally replied, but I've got a friend in the industey. He said that they pay low (even for eastern Europe) and long 1/
katwa
Overwork time. If you work for them, you do it for your portfolio and get a slightly more relaxed shop elsewhere.
VioletMoonRising
Working for any video game company is a nightmare. Without mircotransactions, even the most popular video games have limited profit.
GoodBadGibus
Not only was the dev cycle hell but the management for the game was absolutely awful. Miracle the game isas high quality as it is.
dirkened
Not all game studios are like that. You only hear about the bad ones and not so much about the good ones.
VioletMoonRising
You know nothing of the gaming industry. Games without micros make way too little money for the expertise required to make them.
dirkened
No? Well, as someone who has been working in the gaming industry for nearly 3 years, I'd think that I might know a little bit.