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Smozzerz
Simplest rule in politics, divide and conquer.
Odballl
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/818/hitlerbook.JPG
AlwaysTrustTheManInABigWhiteVan
We definitely need to see the phone screencap and the burger watermark. Those can't be cropped out.
BrockEffingSamson
Hitler did other stuff besides the Holocaust. Just saying. Also, I'd prefer we head the next giant loss of life off before it happens.
ISayFuckAllTheTime
Aaaand two years later those same people are calling Trump Hitler
chupacabra505
Sounds like something Hitler would say.
ISleptWithSomeoneFromImgurAndAllIGotWasThisStupidUsername
Also Hitler killed, like, Hitler so checkmate.
OverlordEd
Yes but without hitler there would have never been hitler. So....
IsolatedThinker
TheEvink
It was not for having "inferior genes". Hitler believed that there was a Jew conspiracy to run the world. The first conspiracy theorist
HolyOldMackinaw
Not to mention the "stab in the back" theory: the belief Jews purposely sabotaged Germany in WW1 (totally false of course)
TheEvink
to gain important political power and, hopefully, the last.
Allrighty
Too late for that now, but perhaps the guy who thought Obama was born in Kenya and covered it up will be the last.
maybejustbecause
And lest we recall that the Bolsheviks, whom Hitler was directly at war with, was likely the third most murderous regime in history.
ididntknowwhattoput
The US is number 1 right?
jcooke24
Yes the US govt has systematically murdered 100 million of it's own citizens... Idiot. The US is a goddamn paradise compared to many places
maybejustbecause
Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge and Mao's China being the top two.
Alkuam
Where's the ottoman empire place?
CandyVanMan
High, and they're gunning for a rerun.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
The Khmer Rouge only in relative numbers, not in total numbers. There simply weren't that many cambodians to begin with.
Wolokos
I find it hard to believe that cambodia killed more people than the soviet union, even if it's just in non-war related matters.
lurker314
For the doubters, if you kill 1/3 of your people, you're getting top spot. Yes, Mao did a whole to more in total, but China is huge.
Cstriker01
Rough estimate was 23 million from Lenin and Stalin, Mao around 70 million...I don't think Cambodia hit that high, however still not good.
Darko31
Mao Zedong - "which through arbitrary executions, purges and forced labor caused an estimated 40 to 70 million deaths, 1/2
Darko31
which would rank his tenure as the top incidence of excess mortality in human history." 2/2
CrazyCatLad
The steady "genocide" of Native American/Indigenous Peoples in the Americas is also up there though there are some gray areas.
Shoobies
him as he was acting typically for the time period, at least in terms of ideology 2/2
Shoobies
It's not just the death toll but the reasons behind it, Gustavus Adolphus is likely responsible for millions of dead but no one blames 1/2
drapester
But..Hitler was Hitler before the murders... Wasn't he!?
YeahFairiesWearBootsNala2011
Well, he was a Nazi, so he was like Hitler.
AromaTaint
Heil yeah he was!
Dottygreencamo
So Hipster Hitler?
drapester
https://www.memedroid.com/memes/detail/717756
Requi01
Actually, if his grandfather hadnt stepped forward and claimed his father as his son, he would likely been named Adolf Schicklgruber.
stormegedendarklordofall
Would we just have called him adolf then!
stormegedendarklordofall
?*
JohnMagneTrane
At least his dad could say he was a Schicklegruber before he was Hitler.
RoodKontjeAapje
Yeah but what's the point of comparing politicians to 'Hitler before he -really- did anything wrong'?
Allrighty
Because that Hitler would go on to become the Hitler who had killed six million Jews.
readbackmonkey
Wait - so we don't like painters now? Bush II does to painting ....
IwishIwereKeithDavid
Probably that whole, learning from history thing
BrockEffingSamson
Because some of his pre-holocaust stuff was also really really wrong.
drapester
Bingo.
FirstEdition
It was still founded in an idea of racial superiority, though. A central part of his platform was "Jews are the problem"
drapester
Hitler did lots of shitty shit before the murders.
RoodKontjeAapje
I still feel like people are trying to refer to the holocaust and WWII whenever they compare a politician to Hitler.
FirstEdition
The shitty stuff leading up to the holocaust was still based on racial superiority and anti-semitism. e.g. kristallnacht
drapester
Thank you for sharing your feelings with us!
NarutoUserMaki
I think when you say an entire country has AIDS, you lose your credibility just a little.
ReasonableConservative
Who said he said that?
gestermods
The logic behind hitler caller - hitler used to breathe air and they breathe air therefore I must call them hitler.
GreenFox
Well when they start attacking free speech and dismantling tools of open communication, maybe the comparison isn't that far off.
IDidNotHitHerItsNotTrue
Attacking free speech? Like aggressively protesting a Condi speech at Rutgers? Didn’t realize those liberal students were Hitler, too.
MichaelHames
That’s how they came to be in the first place
aleister94
And when you fully endorse a sheriff's use of an illegal concentration camp
jcooke24
Maybe check the definition of "concentration camp".
FlyingButtPliers
Except for the millions of dead. Pick another dick tater or something that does it same thing.
GreenFox
Hitler didn't kill millions on his way to power. He killed millions after he silenced anyone who could stop him.
FirstEdition
but he did advocate racial superiority and anti-semitism the entire time. Its not like one day he woke up and decided he hated Jews
FirstEdition
At first he just wanted to expel all the Jews from Germany. Then decided on slave labor. Only started killing when the war turned
GreenFox
That first part sounds familiar... He doesn't have the power to start the second point, but he continues to test his power.
GreenFox
Trump hasn't exactly been a champion of racial equality either...
tehguldincalk
And here you can see a further blurring of the lines between Trump and Hitler. Trump not being "a champion of racial equality" 1/2
FirstEdition
No but he hasn't promoted any policies like point 4 of the 25-point plan which the Nazis advocated in their rise to power
ghsdkgb
So I guess we should just wait until the first million are killed before we speak out, then?
MoePancakes
Adolf, such a dick that he single handedly killed a moustache style.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Just because people called Obama a communist Muslim Nazi atheist doesn't mean there aren't parallels betw. Trump's & Hitler's demagoguery.
Allrighty
It's some sort of golden mean fallacy - people said outlandish things about Obama, so outlandish claims about Trump must be ridiculous too.
stavesacre
Hardly any, really. Look I don't like Trump, but he's more Warren G Harding than Hitler
OverlordEd
Hitler was clever and a very good speaker who said inspiring things. Trump, not so good at speaking. think hitler was also smarter.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Both T & H smeared ethnic groups & blamed them for unemployment,crime & other social ills. Harding didn't say shit like "bring back torture"
baconandplagues
I like your name
Threewisemen
Yeah, no one ever called Obama Hitler. That kind of childishness is best left to the left.
OverlordEd
I agree that childishness is best left to the left. But I recall fucking popup ads comparing obama to hitler and the Antichrist
dagnabbit0
Didn't catch that on Fox News? Because they sure as hell did. Repeatedly.
Threewisemen
I avoid MSNBC and Fox like the plague. Calling either of them "news" is fairly generous. I do have a soft spot for Kramer though.
Threewisemen
Krauthammer isn't bad either.
MyNameIsSergius
Agreed. We gotta stop the back and forth, we're destroying ourselves.
synfinitehell
Didn't the huns kill many more people anyway?
JDakeMnayCake
So did Stalin by a factor of between 3-10 depending on the historian.. and Mao by a factor of between 5-15 depending on the historian..
ISaidSarcastically
Well... there really isn’t much back and forth for the current president.. more just normal and bat shit crazy
HazyWasabi
I don't know whether to believe your username or not...
Traja01
Agreed. Human nature needs to change.
DianNaoChong
It's only back and forth if you believe both sides are the same. It's been clear for decades one side wants a functioning government.
PersonalityFire
Destroying ourselves whether physically or politically to create an incrementally better world is pretty much human history.
Mentallyhorsestable
How about we stop comparing people to someone who committed one of the largest genocides in the history of the world? Stop going
Mentallyhorsestable
To the top shelf for every comparison you make.
Blastergv9
Biased and sensational media and social media isn't helping
Gallus1985
Conservatives have done a fine job ensuring the destruction of the working class. The back and forth is needed.
BigTex1
ImgursLibertarian
Fucking Stop.
Gallus1985
Stop destroying the working class with your retarded Ayn Rand darwinian trash.
stormegedendarklordofall
When a libertarian is calling you out...
Gallus1985
Libertarianism is the same moronic conservative economic policies mixed with "let the states decide human rights" nonsense.
MichaelHames
Generally libertarians just want to not have a vast overreaching government at least from my understanding
Gallus1985
Capitalism, unregulated by a government, by it's very nature creates unelected/unaccountable dictators with centralized power.
ImgursLibertarian
Exactly. I want the control closer to the people. More concentrated power leads to a turn-key dictatorship.
ShawnWinchesterson
Totally something Hitler would say
frpgn
But his name is Sergius.
MimirBlue
Yeah... Sergius HITLER!!!!
CaptainMilkshake
Nice come back, Hitler McHitlerface!
ShawnWinchesterson
Oh yeah well you're so hitler that hitler was all like whoa that dude is hitler
StillPimpin
Shut up, Hitler. Get back to hiding in your bunker!
LiarLiarPantsUntier
ImgursLibertarian
Yep. we have to break the 2 party lie. My party is wrong often too. Most individuals do want what is best.
stormegedendarklordofall
The argument is over what is best though
ImgursLibertarian
None of them are the "best" Some decision are good for some, some for others, some for no one.
Nowa1
Often what is best for those who pay them the most, which is rarely the people they are elected to serve
ImgursLibertarian
Which, sadly, applies to both major parties' funding.
ImgursLibertarian
It probably would to my party as well, but our goal is less gov't control, and thus less ability to get a return on investment, so small...
ImgursLibertarian
corporate investments for us.
Ehren7
Dang this is like the first thing I've ever agreed on from either of these two sites props
TonawandaBlue
But only Trump has praised actual Nazis.
wigglyweiner
Could you define "praised"?
Under25BMI
Do you know how I know you only watched edited clips? Or didn't watch it at all? Because you believe this lie.
clawz161
just like how he hates all immigrants and not just illegal immigrants amiright. CNN amiright hillary clinton amiright pokemon go to the poll
69Voltage
Stop it with the whole truth thing! ;)
Mentallyhorsestable
That's a slippery slope if I've ever seen it
fabidaddy
Nice whataboutism
OverlordEd
Right. Whataboutism is deflective, this is just misleading
Johnny5dicks
But... Her emails
surprisemotherfuckers
criticizing antifascists does not mean praising nazis, bad people exist on both sides as well as good or normal people pushed to either end
MichaelHames
Like look at Antigua they are gearing up for a ‘revolution ‘
OverlordEd
Antifa are leftist fascists, nazis are right fascists. They are both pretty garbage but they have the right up until they commit violence
MichaelHames
Yep just look at what happened at Berkeley
OverlordEd
Yeah that was some stupid shit.
GreenFox
Trump's own party has compared him to Hitler and Stalin. His own party. Maybe this comparison is worth looking into. Learn from our mistakes
OverlordEd
Every single post hitler politician has been compared to hitler
ReasonableConservative
He hates Jews? His daughter is married to one. His FL club admitted Jews before the others. He's moving the US embassy. Sure about that?
GreenFox
Who said anything about hating the Jews? I'm talking about unchecked rides to power and attempts to censoring the news.
ReasonableConservative
TDS strikes again.
karim140995
ure fake news, trump is best and u just jealous, trump 2020.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Haha nice 45 meme. +1 my sarcastic friend :)
karim140995
Thanks mate
StarboardSide
Trump is not part of the GOP they've both said that
GreenFox
He was the GOP's nomination for presidency. That's like saying "oh, we're not Nazi's, we just nominated a Nazi".
StarboardSide
Trump was the Republican nominee
GreenFox
GOP is the Republican party...
Inappropriator
Obama killed A LOT of people with drones etc.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
If you think that's a lot, you better stay away from any information about an era called "the Cold War".
ScrooblyDoobles
I hope you complain about Trumps use of drones too, because he certainly hasn't stopped their usage.
MadCat221
How many were enemy combatants, and how many were people going about their lives? Which was the intended target? Why is it okay for Trump>
MadCat221
>to order attacks on these same targets?
mallywanders
The answer is that we don't know, and we'll never know, but they made each attack with the intent to kill enemies, not innocents.
mallywanders
They don't have clear tallies for any drone strikes, and they don't always have clear indication of the people they attack being enemies,
mallywanders
But they don't intentionally target innocent people, they only kill innocents from suspicion and trigger finger.
AzgarOgly
LOT like millions? Like anything nearly comparable to Holocaust and invasion of Russia?
mallywanders
Or perhaps a desire to kill or oust millions, like Trump? No one can deny his xenophobia.
AzgarOgly
Every other man might have a desire. Until it becomes deed he won't qualify as a monster.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Mostly people such as Pakistan's most wanted terrorists. Wanted by the Pakistani government, mind you. Suicide bombings went down by 75%...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
in Pakistan from 2009 to 2015 as a result. Yes, there were civilian losses incl. children, but these stragetic drone strikes saved thousands
Canofminus
Remember: Hitler rose to power by leveraging anger channeled through nationalism and scapegoating "foreigners."
StarboardSide
Kinda but no. He leveraged economic depravity and pinned the blame on the native Jewish aristocracy. It's far more complicated
MichaelHames
And by terrorism
FirstEdition
Jews were not "foreigners" to anyone in 1920s Germany. They were well integrated. Jews were "capitalists." Read "Why we are antisemites"
FirstEdition
"Jewry means egoistic attitude to work and thereby mammonism and materialism, the opposite of socialism." - Hitler
FirstEdition
Also through populist socialism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
bluemofia
The Nazis were rabidly anti-communist. They were the first politicos to be purged. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims#Leftists
FirstEdition
Anti communist, but not anti-socialist. They were socialists. Hitler didn't like the Marxist idea of the eventual abolition of the state
FirstEdition
Also he didn't like that race did not factor into Marxism. His gov't was socialist for "the people" but "the people" were only "true german"
bluemofia
Sources disagree. "When the Nazis occupied a territory, communists, socialists and anarchists were usually among the first to be repressed"
FirstEdition
I literally linked to a million quotes above. The problem is the distinction of "types" of socialism. He didn't like "marxist socialism"
CandyVanMan
National socialism isn't related to socialism, Hitler even joked about the triggering of socialists because of the name.
FirstEdition
Did you read the economic policy I linked to? #14 We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
FirstEdition
#15We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare. Sounds pretty socialist to me. And there is more
FirstEdition
Hitler didn't like communism. He did like socialism. Have a read through : https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
FirstEdition
" Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not." -Hitler
FirstEdition
He called himself a socialist, didn't like communism. "'Socialist' I define from the word 'social; meaning in the main ‘social equity’."
sasaroo
We need to deescalate on the name calling and finger pointing. Calling small incidents racist, sexist, or "like Hitler" only makes us immune
Elcor05
There's a small difference between calling something racist and sexist, and calling something like Hitler.
Frederf
Hitler wasn't so bad. He did kill Hitler!
channelranger
Calling "small" things racist and sexist is important for being aware of racism and sexism. If we refuse to see it unless it's slapping us-
channelranger
in the faces, then we won't ever move towards stopping it.
CyborgScribe
A small incident of racism is still racist. That said, I feel like a Hitler comparison is best reserved for Nazis.
CyborgScribe
The problem with not calling out small incidents of racism is that it conditions us to stay silent as larger and larger ones happen.
CyborgScribe
This goes for any systemic abuse, not just racism. Justifying it as too small to matter is a cognitive trap.
CandyVanMan
I have yet to see proof of Trump being a racist.
CyborgScribe
I wasn't addressing Trump specifically but his comments are sometimes racist. I don't know about his private behavior.
Allrighty
There's new proof every other day it seems.
Elcor05
What would proof look like?
channelranger
Then you apparently haven't been paying attention.
sasaroo
to those words. If everything is racist, then nothing is, and then who's going to believe you when something truly racist happens?
Crowlands
I am constantly telling these kinds of people "The boy who cried wolf"
Qualtagh
I disagree. Categories do not imply equivalence. A racial slur and a genocide are both types of racism, but no one is equating them. It's --
Qualtagh
-- only like saying that a lion and a mouse are both mammals.
maximilianfragglebottom
if we aren't identifying racism on a consistent basis, how will you know when "something truly racist happens?"
MichaelHames
Yeah it’s almost to the point where a guy could walk past me in a ss uniform and I would have to be skeptical
31indy
Wait.... that's just what Hitler would say!
surprisemotherfuckers
exactly, it only serves to stop dialogue and create unnecessary division. Echo Chambers only serve to let bad ideas run unopposed
MichaelHames
Agreed and there are people who literally protesting free speech and impose hate speech laws which would be very arbitrary
baconandplagues
Trump isn't Hitler but oh god damn is he a fucking terrible President giving Warren G Harding a run for that worst in history spot.
Tohob
W Bush was much worse, and he was just 2 presidencies ago
jcooke24
Worse... SO FAR. Bush didn't start a war until year two.
baconandplagues
Yeah he's a war criminal and objectively bad, but not as bad.
baconandplagues
Honestly, not really nearly as bad as Trump if you look at it objectively
clawz161
Literally what has trump done so far that has in your mind made him the worst ever? Tweeted?
baconandplagues
He's done a lot basically in fact too many things for me to name. His tweeting is just an example of his slovenly behavior that mildly irks
baconandplagues
Me.
clawz161
oh i forgot about the internment camps he set up my bad, also nice not posting anything and just saying "he's bad because he's bad lol"
baconandplagues
Well removed Environmental protections, been an absolute embarrassment as far as diplomatic relations, his tax plan is a joke, the fact he's
baconandplagues
Anti-NN. The fact he's an anti-vaxxer, his gutting the education budget, gutting parks budget,
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Granted. 45 is nowhere near as bad. But he is employing the same "Don't listen to the media, or anyone who disagrees with me," rhetoric.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Just because it's been overdone , it doesn't mean people who have seen some of this shit before should be ignored for warning us.
RussianMathNinja
I don't think Hitler is quite the right comparison. Soviet Union is closer, though not perfect.
MichaelHames
Thing ispeople acted liked the media wasexemplary beforehe camealong even though they were generally hated to begin with and have lied often
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Oh don't get me wrong, the media is shit. The problem is, he is attacking factual stories and building up a base of truth-deniers.
MichaelHames
Example please?
MatrimBloodyCauthon
There are so. So many. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ Even if you don't trust this website,
MichaelHames
Yeah I really don’t trust them they are as bad as snopes
MatrimBloodyCauthon
And then you have 50,000 likes and follows. I don't know who cheers on lies, but that's his base and my point.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
be condescending, but you just need to pay attention at this point on any given day.
MatrimBloodyCauthon
all you need to do is view his Twitter when he's responding to a news outlet reporting on something that obviously happened. I don't mean to
AxelBeingCivil
What do we call the actual Nazis calling for actual genocide, like Spencer and his buddies?
baconandplagues
Nazis obviously. Fuck those pieces of shit
AxelBeingCivil
I like you.
IwishIwereKeithDavid
Nazis
aleister94
And the leader who who described nazis " very fine people"
PlantainSuperNova
Our president calls them “good people”
fabidaddy
Neonazis.
AxelBeingCivil
What's "Neo" about them?
Nykidemus
They werent born in the 20s, and thus are less old.
MichaelHames
An insignificant minority with a megaphone
BattloidKouji
Miller is literally part of the white house. He leads on anything dealing with immigration. That's not insignificant.
MichaelHames
Only with clear and present truth do I believe such allegations
maximilianfragglebottom
like the administration pardoning and promoting a sheriff who bragged about his concentration camps?
MichaelHames
I know the story he was the sheriff who was enforcing immigration law but was being told to ignore it and was arrested forcarrying outthelaw
CandyVanMan
Except Spencer doesn't call for genocide, some of his supporters do, closest he goes to that is talking about an ethnostate.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Question: Did Hitler actually openly call for genocide, or simply the expulsion of the Jews?
PlantainSuperNova
His and the nazi parties actions speak for themselves.
CandyVanMan
He called for the expulsion of Jews originally, then later the Nazis decided that killing them would be more efficient.
baconandplagues
In fact on his website he calls for a "peaceful" genocide.
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Barronvonburp
do it bitch.
Traja01
You got downvoted anyway so you might as well make your point.
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Traja01
Ur-fascists? http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
Hutchy01
I've been meaning to read that article for years now, thank you for linking it.
YoureBeautifulandSomeoneLovesYou
Fun(?) fact: the 6,000,000 figure is just for the Jews that were killed. Total estimate for people killed in the holocaust is ~17,000,000
causality
Not that it was on purpose, but 95% of mentions of the death of 11m people only referring to their 65% of it is the greatest PR coup ever.
Alkyone
Not to discredit the holocaust victims, but the Japanese did far worse in the pacific. Jews and europeans werent the only victims of the war
Ravenbreaker
Not to discredit the Japanese, but people have been doing horrible things to each other long before the great wars.
twatllama
25MM Russian deaths, military and civilian. 30MM Chinese deaths (from Japan, an ally of Germany during WW2).
Ravenbreaker
I always heard it was around 11 million. Where did the extra 6 mill come from?
Yuu5o
I wonder if the carbon footprint got bigger or smaller from all the fumes
etc2589
Wouldn’t exactly call it “fun”
51CorgisInABar
Are you including the millions in China?
ImgurianGeographic
Jesus. The Holocaust does not refer to the entire fucking war. The Japanese killed the Chinese, not the Germans.
Psythir
King Leopold II killed 10 million Africans in the congo in the late 1800's. But they weren't white so of course the world ignored and forgot
romicra88
Do you expect me to apologize on his behalf?
harmonyrs24
People are hurting because white lives are treated as though they're the only ones that matter. Honor this person's grief.
romicra88
They are virtue signaling by bringing up the past neither they nor anyone else was part of. Also, your statement is very broad
harmonyrs24
I wish we got taught the truth in school - including this one. 10 M Africans! Damn... P.s. Imgur is like Reddit - ignore h8rs.
romicra88
Do you assume people would be okay with that today? If not, how does that relate in any way to issues today?
NSApublicrelations
Yep. And he wouldn't have stopped with those groups either. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwsYWF7TXI
impulsia
and everybody forgets 20 million chinese: source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
impulsia
I was too soon with my comment. Pleasantly surprised it is already mentioned in the comments!
ImgurianGeographic
That was done by the Japanese. Not the Germans. And they didn't die in the holocaust.
impulsia
they died during WOII. Is there a difference?
Pachydyptes
Not to mention the tens of millions that died from starting the deadliest war in human history
LurkaMel
You guys— it never even happened.
GuyPrice
#HitlerDidNothingWrong
Lill9
German here! It very much did happen you twat waffle
LurkaMel
We all know that,and are making fun of the ppl that don’t, you literal waffle. C’mon now.
LurkaMel
Tha nazi pistol my grandpa has didn’t come off the fucking internet.
Ilikeworkingforabankbecauseigetgoodconditions
LurkaMel
I watched a show where some dumb fuck insisted they were work camps for the lazy.. ppl believe that.
1970sSalsa
Yes, but Stalin and Mao killed many more. Now you never hear they're bad people, now why is that?? https://youtu.be/nUGkKKAogDs
epsilonmonkey
How is that fun?
ArkoneAxon
Speaking as a Jew... yeah, this is spot on. The Nazis murdered Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, physically infirm... they were big on murder.
Zahnradfee
Communists!
SomePoorAustrianPainterWithVision
Speaking as normal person. How are you more competent on this topic than the other persons? Does being jew grant you magic wisdom or sumting
purgethefilthyheretics
I mean like, they were more big on "purer" genes. Murder was just justifiable means, in their opinion at least.
Flyndaran
Outspoken non-Nazis were probably the first. And loud atheists were killed too.
Jazzgirl205
Catholics, too. The Nazis made nuns dig their own grave ditches before gunning them down.
Lostchild12
From what I googled they weren't murdered because they were Catholic nuns but because they were Russians.
Soggybathroomsock
Speaking as a dog, this makes no sense to me and I believe that 140 characters is way too little to further a meaningfull discussion on the
ktheman
And they always forget the Polish Catholics...
Racistpenguin
It was pretty much their favorite thing
FirstEdition
The Jews were the central focus, though. They are specifically mentioned over and over again in Nazi policy and propaganda
ArkoneAxon
Agreed. That's the point - anti-semitism is intrinsically connected to other forms of bigotry. As MLK pointed out.
ArkoneAxon
https://rac.org/special-bond-martin-luther-king-jr-israel-and-american-jewry
purgethefilthyheretics
Jews were the scapegoat of the nazi regime, who they blamed all their previous problems on. But everyone different was fair game.
FirstEdition
I'm not trying to diminish the wrong done to others, but I think its important to remember the particular focus on anti-semitism
FirstEdition
Hitler gave a famous speech entitled
mormacil
Fun fact, Germany still has a lower then average amount of mental illness then the rest of Europe. Eugenics might be disgusting but it works
harmonyrs24
There could be other factors contributing to better mental health rates/lower mental illness. Not all mental health is hereditary either.
mormacil
Compared to it's surrounding countries? Such as?
ArkoneAxon
Lower than average amount of mental inless? Or just a lower amount of REPORTED illness? "Are you crazy?" "NEIN! I AM FINE! NO NEED TO CALL!"
mormacil
That was taken into account. It's just thinks like schizophrenia is hereditary so by taking those out of the genepool...
ArkoneAxon
That would imply that the reason for their mental health was that all the most violently insane were members of the Nazi party and died>
thoushaltnotpass
There are plenty of practices that work but are unethical. Slavery is an efficient society model too.
mormacil
Slavery isn't an efficient work system for mental work though, slaves don't work that hard for a variety of reasons.
thoushaltnotpass
Americans still use it in prisons and rest of the world use it by proxy with Asian countries. They don't work well but they're cheap.
purgethefilthyheretics
I thought it was more like 30
ImgurianGeographic
Idk where you got that number, but it is not even close to true. They believe the numbers are from 6 to 11 million total.
Putyourindexfingerandyourthumbtogether
It was around 20 million
reisereiseseemanreise
Well 6 to 11 is 17 so you do agree quite, it seems
ThetaPsi
I think you mean 6 plus 11
WuppTravelingBard
Not quite... 6+11 is 17, 6 to 11 means 6,11, and all real numbers in between.
tattoogigolo
6 to 11 is 5
ThetaPsi
I think you mean 6 minus 11
tattoogigolo
That’s a negative.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
11 million is a conservative estimate. Some historians believe the number may have been as high as 20 MM. 6 MM are Jewish victims only.
ThetaPsi
6 millimeter Jews? Oh the humanity!
ArkoneAxon
I'd say I shouldn't have laughed at that, but... that IS Jewish style comedy. We use laughter to deal with crap.
ThetaPsi
Nothing like a bit of dry comedy to get the blood flowing
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
MM, not mm. A capital M stands for mega or thousand, hence MM. It's a pretty common abbreviation and shorter than "mio."
ThetaPsi
That's actually kinda interesting, here we just use M to show million, you've just blown my puny American mind
YoureBeautifulandSomeoneLovesYou
Estimates seem to range from 11Mil up to 20+Mil, just depends on who's doing the tallying. Fact is no one really knows
ImgurianGeographic
Uh.. even Jewish people say only 6 million or so Jewish people died. That's after years of counting and bring the number down constantly.
YoureBeautifulandSomeoneLovesYou
I don't think anyone's disputing the Jewish deaths. We're talking about total deaths across all demographics
TheGrinchStoleYourShit
Dead people, where even are they?
Alkuam
Over there, over there, and up there.
somethingdark
Scattered in the air outside of the furnace, mostly.
TheGrinchStoleYourShit
You're thinking of Poland err I mean Pollen
darkhalfbreed
Thats what the + is for
YoureBeautifulandSomeoneLovesYou
jlh77
Pshh Stalin killed more than that of his own people and he was our allie.
secretoaster
That we know of
FuckMeThenYou
No he didn't. Most historians agree that Stalin killed something like 3-7 millions
Treerone
Around 24 millions comrades I believe.
JollyGreenAl
Including genocides targeting certain races and cultures.
IUpvoteLOTRMemes
Pshh Pol Pot killed half his population.
spetcnaz
He your ally because he was the main force fighting Hitler.
Dogebert
Comrade Pingu laughs at Stalin and declares 200,000,000!
tlouman
really ant to know if there is a skit to this
Dogebert
There r a bunch of pengu memes where he’s a communist from the Cold War.
oldarchive
"You underestimate how many people live here and how little I care about them." -Stalin to Hitler
BoozeHound001
He also has more people to kill. We got to look at a per capita example
ItsTheOne
Mao still holds the record
NoButtholeNoUpvotes
FuckMeThenYou
Mao didn't put up death camps in order to kill people. He just sucked at reforming agricultural and responding to the effects of his reforms
Soggybathroomsock
Could we stop comparing or competing for "worst dictator ever" or "worst killing ever" to make an ideological/political point today? Tnx
TheGhostofElizabethShue
To paraphrase Izzard: "kill your own people? Sure, help yourself. We've been trying to kill you for ages." Hitler killed people next door.
igndar
Tsk tsk tsk. Stupid man.
bestofallpossibleworlds
After a few years we're not gonna stand for that.
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
"After a couple of years, 'we won't stand for that' will we?"
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TheGhostofElizabethShue
I believe the structure of the joke is that he killed people in neighbouring countries in addition to his own, but I dunno, call a cop.
SurfHill
He didn't exactly kill them, his stupid policies led to famine in which they died. Context matters when talking mass murder.
superseriouscomments
Some of the famines were bad management. Some of them were bad management on purpose.
stopthesquirrel
The sad thing is how quickly people forget this and still push for similar policies today. You can’t fix stupid.
FuckMeThenYou
People always make these crazy claims. Like how the fuck would they go about killing 80 million people? The nazi death camp operated 27-7 1)
FuckMeThenYou
2) and they killed 10 million. There was no KZ camps in USSR, they had the gullags but they weren't death camps
randomhero13
i guess those ~4million who died there wouldn't think so
SurfHill
Yup, Hitler's goals were to eliminate entire races/cultures. For Stalin, it was mostly just a result of a bad plan. Still evil,yet different
DrSparken
It wasn't even particularly bad planning, as it was the only plan the USSR had - China was bad planning and could have avoided starvation, >
turpasauna
Just read what stalin did around eastern-europe. His goals did not differ from hitlers goals. Kill natives, replace them with russians.
randomhero13
yes, there was famine in the gulags ...
SurfHill
Gulags accounted for just over 1M deaths. General famine from the inferior policies of communism/socialism killed most.
HillaryClintonsEyes
The thing is though, for Stalin they include numbers from famine, and not just the orchestrated ones.
FuckMeThenYou
It always amazes me when internet "historians" claims; Stalin killed 80 million. Ok, how?
HillaryClintonsEyes
That claim is ridiculous because during his reign the population of Russia was around 100 million.
alejandromer
Well, it wasn't with a knife that's for sure! He still be killing people
JohnMagneTrane
Or you could add that the famine was "orchestrated".
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
Some of the famine was a result of the Nazis invasion; some were because of measures employed by the russians to prevent german resupply
HillaryClintonsEyes
Look, I'm not saying he was a good guy, I'm just saying his death toll is grossly exaggerated.
JohnMagneTrane
Some parts, some parts are the opposite. And it is very hard to get the exact numbers. Just like Mao's "We have killed 66 million people".
Nordenfeldt
“When you call every opponent Hitler, it’s disrespectful to you, it’s disrespectful to them, and honestly? It’s disrespectful to Hitler.”
BenSnow97
That last one is why I'm calling people Hitler from now on, it's worth the sacrifice
DarthMouse
"Dishonor on you, dishonor on your cow...!"
Givin22
You know it, i know it, everyone knows it
Monkofthepast
Dishonor on you, Dishonor on your family, Dishonor on your cow.
SomeGrayFox
Disrespectful to anyone that fought Hitler is more accurate.
YeahFairiesWearBootsNala2011
Exactly. No one should disrespect the Fuhrer
VigorousButtstuff
The unfortunate truth is that it's worse than that. If everyone is hitler, then the definition of Hitler doesn't look nearly as bad.
Bassamh11
But no one gives a shit about disrespecting Hitler because he was a piece of shit
NitroHeist
Who's quote is this?
IamHereForTheComments
time traveling hitler
LurkerOfDarkness
Er ist wieder da.
IamHereForTheComments
Es war nicht alles schlecht.
Nordenfeldt
Jon Stewart. Great speech.
FusRohDance
Michael Scott
HitlersArtCritic
It is disrespectful to everyone. Hitler was a good enough speaker to try taking over the world. But nobody is as good nor will kill like him
LurkerOfDarkness
But how was his art?
ElbowDeepInACat
Ze greatest
HitlersArtCritic
Nein!
HitlersArtCritic
Poor. He would've been better as an Architect but he never finished highschool, which was a requirement for the school's Architect branch.
shadowofacrow
Hitler was on a whole different level than probably anyone else in all of human history.
totallyrealname
Lol no, he's just one of the ones who lost hardest and loudest, but there are people throughout history who are just as bad, if not worse.
DragonLordG
Never assume the monsters are unmatchably monstrous; they're human, it can happen again.
shadowofacrow
I'm not saying it cant or wont happen again, or that similar hasn't happen, just that his regime had one of the most horrific combinations.
Dracosi
not really lol
AWitlessIdiot
Wrong wrong wrong.. no disrespect but Stalin and Mao had higher outright numbers. Po pot didn't have the numbers but personally killed a lot
Stoneleigh219
And don't forget Steve
Vertemasse
From HR?
toastedspikes
FUCK Steve
Stoneleigh219
Right?
TheShadowsLengthen
Stalin and Mao's policy were responsible for a lot of death, but in most cases they weren't intending to kill their own peasants.
AWitlessIdiot
It was how they applied their agricultural policies to dominate. taking from farmers in ukraine. Destroying fields in shaanxi province.
AWitlessIdiot
2. These were agricultural decisions that were purposely done to force submission in certain regions. Inducing famines to have order.
AzgarOgly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union
TheShadowsLengthen
Most of the deaths in agricultural reforms from both Stalin and Mao came from the famine that they caused. They revolted because of that.
stavesacre
They intended to kill a hell of a lot people. Easily as much planned death as the Nazis
TheShadowsLengthen
If it's just "intended to kill", half of the countries in the world would have several "Hitler level" leaders in their history...
ZimGenzko
As a German it always feels like most people don’t even know about the inhumanely pragmatic planning that went into the holocaust and 1/2
ZimGenzko
It’s hiding from the people. Of courses other dictatorships have higher numbers, but industrialised genocide and a world war are unique.
LeSethX
Well, there's also Genghis Khan who slaughtered large swaths of Asia
shadowofacrow
My point about Hitler is the sheer combination of everything. Not that he killed the most or something.
AWitlessIdiot
I didn't mean to spark a comment backfire on you. To simplify: pol pot was the sickest, Mao has the most kills, and Hitler=most efficient
AWitlessIdiot
2. In terms of worst ever, i don't think he's even in the top 3.... that's how sick or dominant stalin, mao, and pol pot were.