Sparrows in China

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The Great Sparrow Campaign also known as the Kill a Sparrow Campaign, and officially, the Four Pests Campaign was one of the first actions taken in the Great Leap Forward from 1958 to 1962.

The four pests to be eliminated were rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows.

The extermination of the last upset the ecological balance, and enabled crop-eating insects to proliferate.

The campaign against the 'Four Pests' was initiated in 1958 as a hygiene campaign by Mao Zedong, who identified the need to exterminate mosquitoes, flies, rats, and sparrows. Sparrows – mainly the Eurasian tree sparrow – were included on the list because they ate grain seeds, robbing the people of the fruits of their labour. The masses of China were mobilized to eradicate the birds, and citizens took to banging pots and pans or beating drums to scare the birds from landing, forcing them to fly until they fell from the sky in exhaustion. Sparrow nests were torn down, eggs were broken, and nestlings were killed. Sparrows and other birds were shot down from the sky, resulting in the near-extinction of the birds in China.

By April 1960, Chinese leaders realized that sparrows ate a large amount of insects, as well as grains. Rather than being increased, rice yields after the campaign were substantially decreased.

Mao ordered the end of the campaign against sparrows, replacing them with bed bugs in the ongoing campaign against the Four Pests. By this time, however, it was too late. With no sparrows to eat them, locust populations ballooned, swarming the country and compounding the ecological problems already caused by the Great Leap Forward, including widespread deforestation and misuse of poisons and pesticides. Ecological imbalance is credited with exacerbating the Great Chinese Famine, in which at least 20 million people died of starvation.

Nah man those 20 million died by the ghosts of all those pissed off birds

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My grandfather told me that China also sent a request to USSR afterwards to send them some sparrows "in the name of their friendship".

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fact: mao asked chinese scientists to device a way to make mosquitos extinct, their reply :"nigga you cray"

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You know what also died in masses in this period of time ?

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Hint: It where Chinese people, because of the lack of food , Mao made them to pay one third of their harvested cereals

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No one is exempt from the law of unintended consequences, but only governments seem determined to test that theory constantly.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

China is heading towards a similar disaster today. 30% of the drinkable groundwater is now contaminated by industrial waste.

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Mao was a nutcase.

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I'm pretty sure he only had one nut.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Not really. From his writings, poetry, military skills and less-well-known political campaigns, he was of perfectly sound mind.

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From what little I've read about him, I would hazard a guess his universalist world-views made him overconfident of his top-down regime.

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"I don't see the problem" - Cersei Lannister

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Sending whatever little grain they had to USSR to repay them for the machines Stalin gave was also a big load on the population.

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Wouldn't have been so bad if Khrushchev didn't decide to betray Mao and steal back everything the USSR gave them.

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what sound does a Chinese communist cat make? Mao Mao Mao.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Even treasonous counter-revolutionary cats say the same: Mao, pronounced and spelled differently from the name is the sound a cat makes.

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The most surprising thing about this is that he was capable of admitting his mistake.

10 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

He admitted his mistakes often. The Cultural Revolution built legendary myths about him but he himself didn't come up with that stuff.

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When did he admit his mistake? He probably was just like "I said bed bugs, where did you hear birds were a pest"

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Mao believed in self-criticism. He abdicated his position after the GLF and Liu Shaoqi became president until 1966 when Mao came back.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I can respect that. Still think the dude was a total shitstain, but I respect that of the bundle of sticks.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Nah, one of the things he's known for is being a dictator that actually admitted when he was wrong.

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Were the swallows african or european?

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

I understood that reference.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

sparrows, not swallows

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's a joke

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Do I have to commit sodoku now

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's sudoku. But it's actually seppuku.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

I really wish that posts like these would cite their sources.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Great, now let's all concentrate together and see if we can't make this appear in the actual post itself. Hnnnngggggggggg

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You could say they Sparrowed no one.

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And a band called Red Sparrowes made a concept album based on that, with song names which are sentences: https://youtu.be/kyrKi9miV2g

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Liking the Red Sparowes love :)

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One million upvotes for you, alas I only have one so please take it

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We really suck at managing this planet.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

what happens when politicians are in charge of the environment instead of scientists

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 5

Mao went by the advise of his scientist adviser. They were wrong, but the end result would have been the same if the seats were switched.

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Holy crap I'm relevant

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Looks like they missed one...

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Diddy Mao

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Sorta like how in the same time frame, Japan became overrun with raccoons shipped from the US

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Or the problems Australia has had with species imported there on purpose.

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I appreciate reading about recent world history +1

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but why is there a small icon of a red bunny humping a white bunny in the bottom right of #1

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thank you!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Chinese netizens like to symbolize their country as bunnies, like Americans as eagles and Russians as bears,etc. The icon might be a prank.

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Mao was a vicious butcher. And also, apparently stupid.

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Stupid is the English for Mao in that case...

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Stupid is the English for Mao in that case...

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The plan was recommended to him by his chief scientists within the party. When you give the state unlimited control you're stuck with 1

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

whatever decision they feel is best at the time that they make it. Even if it ends up killing 20 million people.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He implemented many poorly thought out plans that he knew nothing about. If those plans went badly then the Gang of four was blamed instead

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That was after Mao died. After the GLF Mao took responsibility for it and abdicated his position. He wouldn't return actively until 1966.

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A convenient figure to blame, but given how he united a massive, warring, corrupt and war-torn group of states, China owes him a lot.

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People seem to think China was like you see in Mulan before the People's Republic was formed.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Hitler united a lot of people too. So did Stalin. Of course, they murdered a few to make it happen, but hey....unity is everything!

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Those scenarios are nothing alike and you know it. An appeal to spite + Godwin's law doesn't substantiate your "point" either. Try again.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Of course they are. And you know it, but won't admit it. I'm sure Kim wants to "unite" all of Korea under the banner of the North, right?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

If you seriously think that "unity" means the same thing across different cultures, material/social conditions and time, I can't help you.

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What gets me about this story isn't just the destruction, but all the effort. Everyone tried so hard thinking they're doing the right thing.

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They were brainwashed and they didn't think at all.

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Chinese people were more educated then than all the years before it, but no one globally understood the complexity of the environment yet.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Well they didn't think about how the Communist Party was wrong, or if they did, they knew not to rock the boat. Crazy times.

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No no no! You don't understand! Communism totally works, it's just that no one's done it right yet.

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You know they say the political spectrum is a complete circle, when you are that far to the left u aren't very different from the far righ

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This campaign has nothing to do with communism. With maoist idea of mass campaigns, yes.

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This campaign has nothing to do with communism. With maoist idea of mass campaigns, yes.

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 5

Other components of the Famine had plenty to do with communism (mass rearrangement of resources/labor to facilitate communism)

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Well, again I see that more as maoism. Mao interpreted Marx in very peculiar way :D but yes, the goal was abundance needed in communism.

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I recall that even then they called it "communism with a Chinese grasp" or something, arguing it was adapted to Chinese conditions.

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Yes that is correct. Mainly because China wasn't industrialized yet, it was mostly an agrarian society.

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It actually worked better for China than capitalism for India, which was in a comparable situation.

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China is the most capitalist nation on Earth. They're not even *remotely* communist. They only pretend to be.

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I'm referring to the 1950's till today. Despite the need to rebuild, famines and tumult Chinese socialism was always ahead of India.

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You mean when a few million of them starved to death because of how badly they managed their agriculture under communism?

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Yes, I do. The Chinese standard of living and population consistently rose throughout, more than India. It's counter-intuitive but true.

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"People who say this"

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If you think the Chinese Famine was fun, wait until you see what capitalism does to the bees.

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With almost 0 evidence capitalism is at fault.

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Yes, absolutely. Because a reduction in bee population is morally equivalent to four million people starving to death.

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Well, we could talk about the millions who starve in capitalist countries while the rich in those countries buy mansions and yachts.

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Let me know when that number catches up to the 10 million who starved to death under socialist regimes.

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Probably already has, but we can also add colonialism to the list. Up to 10 million killed in Congo Free State alone, 20% of population.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 4

(2)Then there's the enormous human cost of neocolonialism - how many slaves and underpaid factory workers died young to get you cheap shit?

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I assume they mean the decline in bee numbers, which threatens crops and therefore potentially millions of lives.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I suspect the US agricultural system will continue making food, even if the bee population declines.

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I understand it, and all others, would be hit pretty severely by the lack of pollinators. Production, yes, but less of it.

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Yeah, that Mao guy doesn't seem like such a good leader.

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Actually, he ranked Best in the world by quantifiable metrics. True, the metric in question was "how many of his own people did he kill..."

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yeah. they should totes impeach him

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He was a prick of unmitigated proportions. Source-Chinese wife

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Did he not fail miserably at something?

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Socialists typically aren't

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Well he had no formal training in Economics, how do you think a teen (for all intents & purposes) could handle a country?

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

He was fucking terrible at just about everything other than propaganda

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As are most communists.

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Militarily, he was very well at leadership.

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Militarily, he was a really bad general.

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Good leader, no. Great leader. :P

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Bruh

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Amazing leader, terrible ruler.

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Don't say that in China, apparently he is still seen as a great leader there.

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Opinions are vastly divided actually.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

The fact that it isn't unanimous is still somewhat disturbing.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Much like in Russia some people still see Stalin as a great leader while others recognize his history of tyranny.

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My mother likes him because he introduced medicine that saved her life as a child (she'd contracted both polio and meningococcal (1/2)

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(2/2) before she'd turned 5, and managed to survive both with no side effects).

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Granted, the failure of the Great Leap Forward discredited Mao a bunch, and the Party pretty much put him into retirement as a figurehead.

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...which is why Mao would later launch the Cultural Revolution to regain power, perhaps not really thinking that one through either.

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Well, he WAS a revolutionary, not a thinker-througher.

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Well fuck you too dude

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More like Chairman Wow that was rude.

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Mao Zewrong

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Dude, the Chinaman is not the issue here.

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Yeah, well, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, uh, man, you know

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Dude, the chinaman is not the issue here.

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Also, Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

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He fucked up big but at least he realised he fucked up and changed it later still too late but hes a politician not a scientist

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Politicians should listen to scientists (more generally, people who know what the fuck they're saying) before spewing edicts.

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The famine was also due to his obsession with 'motivating'. Farmers were forced to lie and claim ridiculous quantities of crop growth.

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It was 1958 not 2000 BC, scientists must've told him the consequences but he didn't probably comply, which is the problem.

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Weren't these same scientists running the Hanford facility, telling us to hose our kids down in DDT and telling us Asbestos was the future?

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Strangely enough, it was actually a scientist—and a biologist at that—who suggested killing sparrows in the first place.

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This is like one example of how he fucked up, guy. He fucked everything up, all the time. Like he had a "beat up old people" campaign.

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Mao had /some/ good policies. He eradicated foot binding. Raised the age of marriage to 18. Women hold up half the sky, and all that stuff.

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Damn really? Well shit i didnt know that

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Same problem with Stalin. People like to blame the purges and famines on communism, when the real culprit was incompetent leadership.

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Go figure, make the focus of society on the collective and the loudest, most brutal voice ends up in charge. Shocking.

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AKA "the real world"

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Stalin was a mass murderer and psychopath not an incompetent leader.

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Well he was oblivious to the impending German invasion and he had no idea how communism really worked.

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Communism is uthopia. Neither him nor Stalin cared about their people. They were dictators not leaders.

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Thaaaaaank you.

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Yeah, he did kinda oops-identally kill 40 or 50 million Chinese in his "Great Leap Forward".

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No, he didn't. 10% of the entire Chinese population did not die off at this point in time, which is what you are saying.

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Well, you know what they say. To make an omelet, you need to break 50 million eggs.

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Was it a 5 year plan?

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That was more the fault of his advisers and leaders, claiming the crop harvest was much greater than it really was (so he exported excess).

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He also had a habit of killing or exiling advisers that didn't tell him what he wanted to hear via the numerous purges during the GLF.

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Well that was because they had absurd quotas to meet. The only option they had was to exaggerate or else be killed for not meeting quotas

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Well.. Depends on what outcome he wanted with "Great Leap Forward" ;)

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Oopsidentally I'm taking that word

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It looks so much better without the hyphen. You own it now, brotha.

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And to think there are people in the US Government that idolize him. Hillary Clinton is one of them if I remember correctly.

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Not even close. You're probably thinking of this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp

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Pelosi is who I was thinking of. Hard to not get the two mixed up.

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Care to provide a source on that? All I can find is a CNN commentator comparing her to Mao: 1/2

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And oops-intentionally killed another 30 million for being artists or having opinions.

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But - truth? - that altered the Asian carbon footprint for some time. ?

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*dude falls off ladder in beijing 1963* sigh... another poor victim of Mao's dictatorship.

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Isn't "Communist Apologist" kinda hard to fit onto your nametag?

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And still we despite more hatred against Adolf Hitler then against Mao? Seems weird somehow but it could be just me ofcourse. Both bad ofc!

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I BET THE JEWS DID THIS.

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Yeah, Stalin and Mao were each far worse than Hitler, but history is written by the victors.

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Because Hitler was killing *us* and our close allies. Mao didn't affect us directly, so doesn't loom as large in our history.

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The global community tends to give less of a shit when you're only killing your own people. See Stalin, Mao, etc.

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Exactly. These weren't campaigns to commit genocide, these were just poor policies by rulers.

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