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JhericFury
Ah yes, Andrew Yang continues his habit of saying what the left has said for years and receiving praise from people for his great ideas.
LegendaryBill
I set this in our union contract a few years back. The laborers work 4x10s so the hourly pay nets the same paycheck. Everyone is happier.
xoverthirtyx
Can we raise the fucking federal minimum wage first?!
ProbablyPoe
We can't even manage our physical health, let alone even recognize mental health issues. I'm all for it but that's a long road
deadtedw
It's takes years (maybe decades) to change anything this radical in the US. Old farts in congress and the population keep us lagging.
losguares
IT Dir here and Gen X. I let my guys work at least 1 day from home. Boomer boss don't like it but hey, moral and efficiency is up.
Shpielers
I moved my teams at my last job to four 10 hour days. Initially they bitched, then they ended up loving it because 3 day weekends every week
Shpielers
Work life balance is super important.
Quesadildos
Hahahaha I have a six day work week.
Cyberpope67
I used to when young. Now I work 4 hours/week & supporting a family of 4.
SamanosukeOnimusha
Yang '24!
LariCheltsy
Currently on a 72 day weekend so far
afterdarkart
At my job I swapped to a 4 day work week and I've never felt more productive. Less time for BS, more time for work.
WoundedZetian
Can we get him back?
SirDistic
I work 4 days a week. 14 hour days. It's real fun going to bed at 9am to get up and 3pm to doing it all over again.
skerdog
As a truck driver: whatever.
IHateTheLotOfYou
For the first time in my life I actually wanted to vote for someone and, he drops out. Fml
FoldedCorner
When people have more free time they spend more money. It's good for the economy too. And places would still be open b/c you can..
FoldedCorner
.. make the 3 day weekend different for other teams now that they work a full day.
flappinmudbeans
Yes! 3-day work week and 4-day weekends!!! God I love my dyslexia sometimes
arkhamfashion
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narniasreal
I'd kill every single one of you for a 4 day work week... except my SO, she's on here too.
Cyberpope67
You mean me, right, or your other SO? *sniff*
narniasreal
My other one, you're just my side bitch.
UnfilteredBS
DamnedAustin
Also, it's not just about the number of days. The standard work week could be cut down from 40hrs to 25-30hrs for many without impacting (1)
nero4ty2
probably for some tech, pencil pushers etc, but a lot of industries where you are actually making something etc need the time
yotsuya
They'll be replaced by a robot soon enough, though. Fewer hours will mean more work for who's left.
nero4ty2
not for a long long time
Lissyb
Yeah uh, you try working in a restaurant as a cook and getting stuff done every week in less than 40 hours.
DamnedAustin
productivity. Our current work week is only the way it is now because it's been this way for a long time. (2/2)
TheJustOkayGatsby
Nixon thought we'd be there by now. https://www.nytimes.com/1956/09/23/archives/nixon-foresees-4day-work-week-says-gop-policies-assure-fulle
Pokegeologist
"Because it's tradition" is the reason a lot of stupid bullshit persists.
DamnedAustin
Yup.
DeynaMoonbringer
If I could I'd willingly work 10-hour shifts for an extra day off each week. It saves gas, gives so much more actual free time to so stuff.
idontliketheclonebone
Im down, give me 4 10s
blitzstange
I got to work 4 10s on a swing shift for about a year, and it was the best work schedule I've ever had. Still chasing that high.
DamnedAustin
Why not 4 8s?
Skibearbumm
I still would like to hit 40 hours in a week. Unless you know I were to get paid more or they changed overtime policy
DamnedAustin
Fair. I guess I assumed similar pay (for similar output). Most jobs can get the same output in reduced tiem.
Chriswagon1
If my job paid on output not time I'd work a lot harder, but it doesn't, so two 30 min toilet breaks a day it is.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
Bro, you're going to get hemorrhiods that way. Protect the b-hole.
DamnedAustin
Exactly. I think we're starting to see the problem with the "standard" work week.
bfiGamer
I've contracted for NASA in Houston in the past, and they had 4 day work weeks. 10 hour days. It also saved me money.
Cyberpope67
one less round trip commuting, eh?
bfiGamer
Exactly!
DukePhelan
If your employer could chain you to your desk and make you work 20 hours a day 7 days a week for an extra 0.001 increase they would do so.
TheJustOkayGatsby
We should absolutely do 4, 8 hour days. Creates 20% more jobs to deal with almost 40 million unemployed Americans
NinjaCongo
Exactly. The same amount of work being performed but by 20% more people. However, the "purpose" of the unemployed is to keep wages down.
HobbitHouse
that's what the French think, right?
bigkingdingaling
If you have to hire more people, to do the same amount of work, then pay will go down
TheJustOkayGatsby
Cheaper than putting 40 million Americans on welfare and then having another housing crisis when people start defaulting on loans
bigkingdingaling
Not cheaper for the company, but yes for the country
TheJustOkayGatsby
The line between the two is getting blurrier with every bailout
vkmi
Don't you think about the poor CEOs and shareholders having to pay more wages? You monster.
Arnoxthe1
Ok, we get it. Shareholders bad. Don't need to say the same thing every time.
electronicbovine
It's not the wages, it's the benefits they don't want to pay!
TheJustOkayGatsby
I'm pretty certain it's both. And ironically if we had universal healthcare they don't have to pay benefits!
tacticalattackterriers
But that only works if they're actually contributing a reasonable amount of taxes. So it's still paying more for them.
removekarling
But the value of controlling your employees through threat of taking away their healthcare is far greater to them.
HotshotRobot
I work for a state government agency that has done 4-day work weeks for years. There is no downside but slightly longer work days.
idontknowhowthissiteworks
Most big corporations have been doing similar.
Xenadon
So when they did this at some Japanese companies they found that 4 8 hour days were fine because a lot of useless meetings were eliminated
EmergencyChocolate
People are more productive and make better use of their time too. Win-win!
UselessAnon
I never minded the 2 extra hours. I lived the extra day.
HobbitHouse
I don't want to work 10 hour days...
TheDuke0fHazzard
It's not perfect, but oh boy did I love to have 4 whole days off every 4 days
HotshotRobot
You couldn't manage 2 more hours per day to have a 3 day weekend every week? And 4 day weekends on holidays?
kaarbaakimgr
Holidays too? On top of four-day work week?? LoL...no.
HotshotRobot
That's how it works. I've done it for 7 years, and we average a holiday per month. So 1 four-day weekend per month.
ActuallyMyNamesMarina
I did both, prefer 8 hours, 5 day. Now if it were 8 hours, 4 days like a lot of places are trying, for the same pay, I'd be all over that.
HobbitHouse
could I? yes. do I want to work 10 hours a day? as I said, no.
ElvisStarburst
I find myself wiped by the end of 8 hours... Though I imagine if I actually liked my job the slightest bit it might be a little different
Novacornix
Companies know that 4-day weeks are more productive. Every experiment has shown they are. The reason we don't have them is ...
Novacornix
5-day weeks make workers more stressed and give them less leisure time. Both of which make them more willing consumers...
Novacornix
that don't find fulfillment or relieve stress in a healthy way: just consume products. Keep workers miserable so they spend their money.
TheDuke0fHazzard
That makes no sense. More days off means more leisure time means more time to spend money on things
Novacornix
No, more leisure time ≠ more spending. Less leisure time = less satisfied + less time which means people are more likely to just shop.
TheDuke0fHazzard
You have a source for this?
Novacornix
The benefits are just facts. The reason employers won't implement them is my opinion based on how capitalism works.
AscendedTroll
He's already confirmed he'll run for president again in 2024 regardless of who wins the 2020 election
TinFoilKat
I would be OK with UBI if they drop all other social programs. Oh, also have to be a legal citizen to get it.
HwaitHwat
That was similar to what he proposed.
Variadicism
True. He proposed that people who opt in for UBI would opt out of other programs, but the programs would still exist for those who don't.
PinkyToeSlayerOfTableLegs
I'm speculating this but Yang knows he won't win any upcoming elections. He'll keep playing the long game and make his prescence known now.
KartFnocker
I disagree with his implementation, but I'm definitely glad someone is bringing discussion about UBI and the OP into the mainstream
RevengeIsIceCream
What part do you disagree with/how would you like it implemented?
KartFnocker
The two major parts are that 1) he set it up as an either/or situation for people on other forms of support, and 2) he wanted to finance it/
KartFnocker
through a VAT. Both of these things are regressive and could hurt struggling people more than it helps them
RevengeIsIceCream
Thanks! Didn’t know about those parts, and I agree, there are better ways.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
Really glad to hear. I'll vote Biden 2020 to oust Trump, but will not support him a second term. We need a leader who wants real change.
SquirtleSquad420
Biden has been hinting that he only wants to serve 1 term. Calling himself a transitional candidate.
CasualBoulder
Yeah but GOP didnt replace Trump for the same reason Biden would probably have to run again. Incumbents have really good odds.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Yeah, if the GOP gets four more years of advancing their voter suppression, the Dems might as well not even bother showing up in 2024.
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
I gotta disagree. I don't think voter ID laws would hurt the dems. What hurt them this and the last election was choosing members of the >
TheWombatStrikesAgain
This is not about political strategy. Voter suppression is very much a thing, and voter ID laws are just the tip of the iceberg.
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
old guard to be their nominee against someone they knew would not run a clean campaign. They needed a younger fresher face to win with >
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
less pre existing dirt on them for the opponent to use. Instead they hand Trump ammunition to use on their candidate.
SugaryBonemeal
What if the bill in 2024 is Biden vs Mitch McConnell. Or Alex Jones. Or Stephen Miller. Or Mik-know what? This is depressing, I'll stop
ImHereToGetDownvotes
I'd say that's extremely unlikely, but then again, here we are with a shitty reality TV host as leader. Either way, would hope the 1/?
ImHereToGetDownvotes
Democrats wouldn't push for a second term and Biden would do the right thing and straight up refuse to run. 2/2
yeaaadude
Why? So the working class gets fucked a little more?
Relikvie
Yeaaadude.
drbloodbathmc
I have to agree. I’d love 4 8 hour days, but the logic for companies is going to be “20% less time? Well we just cut our payroll by 20%”
deadtedw
If it's about productivity, hours doesn't matter. Pay should be the same.
TehGuard
It absolutely matters for the tens of millions paid by the hour. This only works for salary workers in the current corporate world in the us
deadtedw
Maybe I should have said "total" pay should be the same. Hourly rate would be raised so they take home the same paycheck as before.
Digitalshrug
Exactly. I have to fight every week to get 40 hrs, and my managers have unrealistic expectations as it is. Telling the them can get 1/2
Digitalshrug
Even more work out of me by scheduling (and paying) me less is detrimental to the "essential heroes" that are barely hanging on as it is.
RobertDeal
Well said.
KnowmSaying
Hell yeh. Honestly ide much rather be doing 4 10-hour days vs 5 8hour days.
DukeOfChutney608
this is more about 4 8 hour days but being paid for 5. which will never fly in our corporate wet dream of a country
GrumpyOldMillennial
I'd rather do 5 little 8hr days than 4 12hr days.
KnowmSaying
4 10hr days is the same hours as 5 8hr days
GrumpyOldMillennial
I said 4 12hr days not 10hr.
KnowmSaying
Why would we add the hours though?
GrumpyOldMillennial
....im not following. Im saying that for me, working 4 10hr days would be an improvement as I'm working 12hr days.
Cyberpope67
I usded to work 3X12 & 4 days off a week. I was good with that. Lots of time to take care of my own projects & goals.
angrytaco
Fuck yes 4 day work week. The entire point of progress as a society is so that we don't have to work as much and we can enjoy our lives more
WhatSayYouCitizen
You may be a little bit off-point when you say "the entire point of progress as a society".
thatsbadmmkay
override367
Yeah, I heard a boss today called an immunocompromised employee who wants to keep working from home "an entitled millenial pussy"
override367
so... lets see if we can convince the boomers 4 day work weeks are possible
Zahnradfee
Nonononono, that's Marxist thinking! A good capitalist uses the freed up time to make more money for his boss!
johnvictor
But a 4 day work week will kill business! - Says the businesses.
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
Most would move to a 4 10’s structure so you’d still work the same amount. Though you would commute less at least.
HellaFishsticks
a47nok
Ah, my favorite gif thriving in the wild
AzgarOgly
Absolutely. But that inevitably involves freedom from consumerism. If people continue to buy new iphones, 1000 inch TVs, trucks, suburban //
AzgarOgly
houses, they have to work even more than now they do. Because all these things won't make themselves. And all that hair won't cut itself. //
AzgarOgly
And all that pumpkin spice lattes and craft biers won't brew themselves.
MrOne2
I'm sure rich people enjoy life more.
DerpActual
A thriving economy should offer thriving wages, but this will never be true under our current system
DB4289
How are the multibillionaires going to become trillionaires if they don't work people to death?
JustAnotherLinkInTheChain
4 day work weeks, 10+ hours a day. I can see it happening
TurdBurglar3000
Why 10 hours a day?
JustAnotherLinkInTheChain
10x4=40. It's going to be the first thing that big business "compromises" on in this plan
fluidexistence
They'll just not pay laborers for that day. And imagine having a job that's busiest on weekends. 3 of your 4 days are the busiest/shitiest.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Right? Automation should be good news. Eliminates all the shitty repetitive chores that should be beneath us. Instead we're worried about...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
shelter & healthcare when machines reduce the need for mind-numbing menial labor because some refuse to share the resulting wealth increase
iWantToBeABus
Wait - so it’s not to keep lining pockets of the 1%?
Toecutteris
You fool!! We are supposed to work ourselves to death in the trenches!!
or0b0ur0s
Unfortunately most countries are run by people financed by those who believe the point of progress is to get you to work more so that >
or0b0ur0s
they can have ALL of the gold-plated toilets on their 4th mega-yacht upgraded to solid gold like the one in their stateroom...
TheAlviss
No! No! No. The skyrocket of productivity is meant to benefit profit margins, not you. You're a number. s/
esclavamente
There are loads of conspiracy theories out there that the 5 day work week is designed to keep you tired enough to pay
esclavamente
2. dearly for fun and convenience. a 4 day work week would cause them to have to turn off the machine again.
Imstillinbed
It's not a conspiracy. Quarantine has showed us that. People have time and energy to cook proper meals, and engage in their hobbies now.
ddbrown30
Problem is that if you dig into any of these articles, they're all suggesting 10 hour workdays. No thank you.
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
Well some jobs allow for 4-10’s instead of 5-8’s. Same amount of work but save on the driving and get the extra day
Philisophyneedsrevival
Try 14 days on 14 off it’s great
thankyouforyourserviceforpointsonanythingmillitary
I'm afraid most people will just have an extra day to work their second job
mareli82
id be happy having only a 5 day work week , most weeks i end up doing 6 or 7 days :p
Wubbalubbadubdubb101
Not that I disagree but I like my overtime pay and bonuses. Maybe pay us more and reduce the workweek
dekket
Ask a rich person if they agree. Something tells me it's a hard NO. because, productivity or something.
EvilDeadTed
They aren't interested in the quality of life of their slaves.
deimosVII
It’s never about productivity. It’s about keeping everyone exhausted, distracted and afraid. Then selling them the answer to these ills.
crazyspelling
This.
dekket
Yea that was my point too. The "productivity will go down" argument is just self preservation.
deimosVII
Yep I’m agreeing with you.
Chereazi
Bit won't anyone think of the shareholders!
CantEscapePolitics1
It's not the money, it's never been money, they have so much it's useless. It's about CONTROL
SFMGifs
xgdk
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you know nothing about the stock market.
SaphirasSexDoll
Yea. My thought is: "Fuck 'em!"
Br0Code
There is no less work, just 4x10 instead of 5x8. The concept is a productivity boost, since productivity is worse the first and last hour
TurdBurglar3000
+ reduced need to spend any more time than necessary at work. Also from a capitalistic POV it would be better to have more leisure time.
Kaleopolitus
Joke is, there's a good chance a 4 day work would would benefit the shareholders and increase overall wealth.
MrRandom314159
It actually might increase productivity.... And thus help the shareholders.
hammersquirrel
Productivity gains going to workers instead of shareholders? Pish posh
epicfail331
They should realize that giving buying power to people boosts their gains, by a lot.
XanderCorsaj
Exactly. As automation increasingly replaces human necessity, no one will be able to buy the products. Therefore a standard living wage---1
XanderCorsaj
-should be available to everyone, allowing folk to buy things, which in turn will go back into the economy. Cheaper products, cheaper labor2
WolfRexV3
That makes no sense, you need to increase prices so shareholders can get more moneys /s
ImgursLibertarian
That is you. 401K? Stock. 403b? Stock. State retirement? Stock. Union Pension? Stock. LLC? Private Stock.
snuffcarcass
My $10k retirement fund totally rivals Jeff Bezos’
cheeseguy3412
Less money spent on facility/power, FUCKtons less spent on insurance (people onsite 20% less often) - greater productivity in white collar 1
cheeseguy3412
Jobs. They'd get much more for their money, and morale boost would sweeten the lot for the same salary. 2
cheeseguy3412
The singular reason why they wont, is because they would give up power over their workforce, and subjugating people with a iron 3
cheeseguy3412
Fist is something they wont give up unless forced. 4
rengelmann
Think about the hourly workers losing 1/5 of pay.
Zahnradfee
No, the idea is of course that the hourly pay has to rise so that they won't earn less overall.
LittleLionMan63
They wouldn't lose 1/5. It's 4 10 hour days. That's still 40 hours a week.
paulus1978
I already work 10hrs a day. What you're proposing is dropping from 50hrs to 40. I will still notice the loss of 1/5th income.
rengelmann
Exactly
UnfilteredBS
we cant do this at my job because of union rules
theatand
Talk to your union rep, they will either give you the reason why they cannot barter for it, or add it as something to barter for. 1/2
theatand
Because the company loves putting out "we would but the union" statements, even though they wouldn't want to do it regardless. 2/2
TheVaccine
Wait... But your the worker surely if you work force all agrees the union has negotiate on your behalf?
UnfilteredBS
PrivateEntrance
Unions don’t necessarily have the interests of the workers in mind when they do anything.
TheVaccine
Then stop paying into them? Sorry I may just be ignorant on how American unions work but in the UK you pay your union for a voice and rep
KRicci
In some professions in some states, union membership is mandatory
TechnicallyRight
Yeah, imagine someone in America with a union complaining that it will be hard to get something *did someone get addicted to worker rights*
TechnicallyRight
Be happy you have a union lol.
beepboopbap01
Living wages, good retirement, good health care. That’s hot
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ImHereFortheTittiesandKitties
Cant union rules change?
ImgursLibertarian
Unions served a purpose when Sole proprietors were allowed to be asshats. There are no Sole Proprietors anymore, just corporations.
theatand
Yes they can, they barter for whatever the union contract is, usually 3 day weekends are pushed aside for pay raises & benefits discussion
UnfilteredBS
080080
unions are the lumbering dinosaur of labor.
angrytaco
The workers are the union. Go on strike against your union. Watch them shit pants on confusion
KRicci
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gogoGandhiMagicVibratingFingers
4 10s all day
RealFuckinNeeto
9 9s work an extra hour every day except Friday and every other Friday is off
NdotGreeze
I'm doing 5 10s now so I'll take 4.
theshinobi23
I'm currently on 3 12s, with an 8 every other week. So, 3 days this week, 4 days next week. It's nice.
JudgementTrout
What do you do?
theshinobi23
Maintenance at a factory. I work the weekend shift, but they also have a mon - fri 8 hr shift.
angrytaco
Fuck that. 4 8s or 4 6s. Spending that long at work reduces your productivity and hardly any job would require that anymore
Possboi
Screw that, I want my 4 12s.
gogoGandhiMagicVibratingFingers
4 6s? Come on you ain’t gonna get out the ghetto with that attitude
angrytaco
"getting out of the ghetto" is not a matter of hours worked is a matter of wages paid.
hardytardigrade
BLAM
bubwubster
4 10 hour workdays is probably best in all honesty, it's how you keep your hours and get a free day. I love my 10 hour shifts
gogoGandhiMagicVibratingFingers
So less hours worked and more wages earned. How to you propose we get a higher skilled workforce? Without crippling us with uni debt
POWAAAAAAAAAAAAR
That said I believe in 4 8s. Also would do 5 6s, a bit more side/rest time in the week.