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revolverbob
Fuck you.
nextgenpants
Political cartoons are fucking cancer.
ozythemandias
Wow what a subtle and nuanced argument. You truly swayed me
kerms
I don't get why they're using a redneck to represent gun violence. Probably because it would be "racist" to depict a black gang banger.
oyoyo
Because it's the white guys who cry when they fear someone will take their precious toys away
mechanimated
I imagine it's because most gun advocates and NRA members are white southerners, but okay.
Throrf
If only they banned guns in Germany and France... Oh wait.
brassbass
Or we could let people decide what's best for themselves instead of pushing more useless laws that won't actually help stop violence anyway.
OliBShoutin
Meanwhile 19 people were killed in Japan last week when an attacker went crazy with a knife.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
But that's in Japan, the circlejerk is about anti-America.
Kappa043
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OobedoobScoobyDoobyBenubi
I really wish everyone could just acknowledge the gun issue for what it really is. An ego problem.
jazzy663
Yup, because all gun owners promote gun violence...
B1U3B1RD
-http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
B1U3B1RD
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
justvenomcake
You should see the 2014 version. It's a lot lower.
B1U3B1RD
This was through a quick google, you have a link to the '14 one? Id be interested in seeing it
justvenomcake
I can't as it takes up too many characters. But if you type in 'fbi table 8 2014 expanded homicide' it should be the first suggestion.
B1U3B1RD
Very interesting, thanks!
AjKaramba
Damn, Americans are really stupid.
Whisperdeer3
So much wrong with this cartoon. This was made by a very uneducated person.
PileOfWalthers
Fuck off, OP.
tekkblade
A simple response to a simple post. I like it.
VultureTX
Fun Fact Every single nation in the Americas has a higher homicide rate than the UK. Even Canada's is 50% higher than Great Britain.
charlie2979
'Cos Britain for the most part is a shit hole.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
1.37% of homicides in Albania are linked to firearms, meanwhile .83% in America. If you're gonna complain about guns being linked to 1/2
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
murder. Maybe you should do it against a country with the largest problem of it, than one in the cultural spotlight which is the target 2/3
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
of circlejerks because of it's point in a cultural spotlight. A spotlight given by having the largest access to social media. 3/3
zaphod
umm not really... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
chocchipcookies
Good luck America for your next inevitable mass shootings.
ImgurMontoya
Good luck Europe for your next inevitable suicide bombing / beheading
Devils29
Good luck France and Germany seeing they aren't doing to hot either with some of the strictest gun laws in the Western World!
NabyArmeDrommel
The problem is any time either side proposes a form of gun control that actually works its shot down. Dems say racist Reps say unconstitutnl
tardis37
Yay over simplification
Convulsive
Sure because political comments have the ability to portray a fucking 12 page senior thesis in their drawings. Your life is overly simple.
TwoCatsZeroFucks
If a thesis is 12 pages, that's what's overly simple...
epoke
That's what a political cartoon is supposed to be.
regalgunslinger
True, still funny though lol
jeffasaurusrex
Is it though?
AnyUsernameWillDoForMe
Good satire can be funny and depressing at the same time. See: any good comic featuring trump
statelessnfaithless
@OP, you got balls posting this on Imgur. Props.
Sionas
I dunno if I would go that far.
Skyphos
Never mistake bravery for foolishness
Heyallwatchthis
Poster must have not seen the unarmed civillians in Honduras, mexico and etc that get mowed down by the cartels.banning guns is awesome
elduquedelaspasas
@Heyallwatchthis must have not seen the very few mass shooting in the rest of the first world...
ImgurMontoya
Yeah, look at France and Germany! Absolutely no mass shootings in the last few months. Let's follow their lead
elduquedelaspasas
Wolverines!
CanadianDudeChillin
You idiot that's different their cops can't even handle the cartel at all. We don't have cartels in states and we have police/army to protec
sseh2661
Why has it always gotta be one thing or the other in the US. Either a gun for every man women child and dog or no guns at all. Just regulate
Morrigi
That's how it is already. Federal background checks, no guns for felons or the dangerously mentally ill, further regulations by state.
Cheomesh
That's how it is already, though.
sseh2661
The fucking things and make them harder to get to that so not just any psychotic idiot can easilly get there hands on one
daveydwb
We already have laws to prevent "just any psychotic idiot" from getting guns. Criminals do not follow the laws already; more won't help.
Devils29
Every time i see this argument i have to tell the person they are already regulated. People should learn the laws before they criticize them
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Devils29
there is federal regulations in place... and then states add even more regulations to those on top of it...
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JohnWilkesTableorBooth
Real question: when did imgur move toward the right more? I'm not complaining, it's social media and everyone deserves a voice but 1/?
JohnWilkesTableorBooth
It seems like the demographic has strayed to slightly more conservative values. Apropos to the comments, not the post.
Morrigi
I just want lesbians to be able to get married and defend their pot farm with guns.
charlie2979
Petty simple really. Imgur's not one person. You see circle jerks from both the left and right.
RapCatTheRappingestCat
I noticed it too. All of a sudden imgur started shitting on lgbtq people and championing gun rights.
Cheomesh
Cyclical voice. Demographics are the same, those who feel the need to post has shifted a bit.
JohnWilkesTableorBooth
Yeah, they use the radicals as straw men arguments to discredit legitimate concerns. Saying this as a straight white male.
TheFeralDog
99% of imgur couldn't define a "strawman" argument you guys throw that word around on virtually any post you don't agree with.
JohnWilkesTableorBooth
There's been several posts illustrating what it means--it's pretty well known lol
TheFeralDog
yet imgurians consistently call things strawman when they aren't
MyFatherWillHearOfThis
I've no clue on the lgbtq hatred, but imgur champions gun rights because a large part of the userbase is from the US, where they view owning
MyFatherWillHearOfThis
guns as part of their culture. You grow up with that, it kind of makes sense you're gonna defend it a tad viciously if you're pro guns.
MyFatherWillHearOfThis
There's also many users who have decided anything mildly PC is a SJW strawman, so they go hyper conservative as a knee-jerk response.
Cruddypizza
Mental illness is very mis understood. But of course it is. We cant know All the shit clanging around in people's heads.
evilini
Guns are the problem, not mental illness.
Cruddypizza
Grew up in a republican family so I have heard the opposite. Now at this point I'm not against trying anything to solve the problem I guess.
Blarghd
Cars are the problem. Not drunk drivers
graehall
The mentally ill are far more likely to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators, statistically speaking. They get proper screwed :(
doctorbees
Not all gun violence can be explained by mental illness.
charlie2979
You're right. Most is gang on gang violence or suicide.
Cruddypizza
You're right. I live in the suburbs of Syracuse NY . I get a news update on my phone at least 3-4(sometimes 5-6 depending on the week.) 1/2
Cruddypizza
About someone killing someone in the city. Syracuse is a small-ish city and has a huge gang violence issue.
Cruddypizza
Actually here was just an article of someone randomly getting shot at on the highway yesterday. Second time it's happened.
Devils29
Mass shootings carried out by NRA members in the past year - 0
gaijinsmash
5 million NRA members VS. roughly 100 million gun owners in America...maybe not everyone should have guns
Devils29
my point being evey anti-gunner LOVES to blame the NRA even though almost all mass shooters have been registered democrats
spaghettiThunderbolt
Because the NRA is just a mouthpiece for the gun industry? It is no longer about responsible ownership.
Morrigi
If it isn't about responsible gun ownership, then why don't NRA members commit mass shootings?
Devils29
what... I think EXACTLY what i just said just destroyed your argument...
UnoMuerto
I wonder if japan should ban suicides and if brazil should ban armed robbery, you know since bans protect people.
gaijinsmash
Look at Australia and please tell me how many gun related deaths there have been since they banned guns.
Dhayser
This! People don't realize bad guys don't normally buy guns legally
spaghettiThunderbolt
That argument is actually retarded. Since criminals don't follow the law, let's get rid of all laws!
gaijinsmash
look at case studies from countries who have banned guns, and gun violence in those countries. use facts, not baseless assumptions
Morrigi
Mexico is a clusterfuck, Germany and France are having increased terror attacks, and Switzerland has relatively open gun laws and is fine.
MyFatherWillHearOfThis
I wouldn't use this argument. With anything, for any side. It's the equivalent of saying "why ban anything at all," which is baffling.
KckUNjUbR6GMwpnD
This subtle and nuanced comic has convinced me that we should change the constitution and abolish the second amendment.
EvenSpeedwagon
Second amendment doesnt give you the right to own guns. It gives you the right to be in an organized militia which has guns.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
You claim to prefer nuance but don't personally apply it to your own arguments, eh?
Kappa043
SHALL
Squarcle
http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/juicey45/media/50415_2217963965_413_n.jpg.html
wadatahmydamie
I'd settle for the NRA no longer being allowed to obstruct research into gun violence.
SephReed
a special permit for weapons inside metropolitan areas makes sense. beyond that, cats out of the bag
Granduderino
Licenses and permits are privileges. NOT rights.
graehall
But it's so clear and well written, and for something so important it's not at all open to interpretation. How could you abolish it?!
BlasserDuennerJunge
Good, if the thousand of victims couldn't at least the comic could.
LurkerOfDarkness
I say, we in the rest of the world just send you a lot more weapons, isolate you and then wait until you've killed eachother off.* (1/2)
LurkerOfDarkness
*[The previous statement may contain trace amounts of: milk, nuts, soy, eggs, gluten and sarcasm] (2/2)
Cheomesh
Soy D:
PattiMichelle
*subtle and nuanced
Paoloc0mments
Good.
frosty147
https://youtu.be/bnoFKskvSq4
ReallyGoodBee
I think the strongest argument for abolishing the second amendment is that it was written at a time when a skilled rifleman
evilini
I mean yeah, back then they used fucking muskets if all these crazies would have been using those we wouldn't have a problem
ozythemandias
That stupid. Semi auto was invented then to some degree, the founding fathers even tested them for the army but turned it down due to cost
ReallyGoodBee
could fire *maybe* three shots a minute, and hit a target roughly half the time.
JohnCena6969
And the first amendment didn't have cellphones and the Internet....
KckUNjUbR6GMwpnD
And the fourth amendment was written in a time before cars.
JohnCena6969
It's like these amendments were written without accounting for technology advances
Galactasaur
Why do you people think the argument is for banning guns out right?
dolemarq
I've never heard people who clamor for more gun control describe restrictions like in DC/Chicago/etc. as anything but "reasonable" laws.
Morrigi
Because all successful gun control measures in the US are immediately followed with calls for more. Compromises are derided as "loopholes".
SweatyEddie
Down with the Constitution! It's so old and outdated. We need to update it based on Facebook likes.
klutch91
Well modern democracies actually update their constitutions. And again, in such democracies not every idiot can own a gun so there's that.
FaithAlone
I guess that is the only option huh? Nothing in between, no room for compromise, just from wild west to no guns at all.
aselfdefeatingattitude
Wild West had some pretty strict gun laws. Meanwhile, Hitler actually loosened gun laws during his rise to power.
way2spooky4me
But why? Guns are fun.
HappyEngineer
that's why they rhyme
SlightlyRelatedToThePost
Nuns with guns make tons of fun puns.
CityYeti
He was being satirical
way2spooky4me
But seriously though. Guns are fun to shoot.
CityYeti
they can be, but they're not toys
demonic
While we are at it we need to do away with the 1st amendment as well.
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lesserknowncharacter
You literally have no idea what freedom of speech means.
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lesserknowncharacter
A private citizen saying he'll go to the cops doesn't remotely meet the burden of violating your 1st amndt rights. The cops would lol at him
Vandammit
Thats not free speech. Free speech is being able to call the president a fuckwad in public without brownshirts coming to your door. ~
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Vandammit
Free speech is standing on a corner protesting an injustice and not being arrested for it. You being banned from a private site is not.
Dispari
If only there was an option somewhere between "everyone should have guns" and "nobody should have guns."
Kappa043
Everyone SHOULD have guns. We'd live in a safer society. There was a county in Georgia that mandated gun ownership, and crime plummeted.
Dispari
http://www.snopes.com/kennesaw-gun-law/
OverlyCynicalImgurian
There's a problem with this mentality, every time more gun control happens pro-gun control advocates immediately forget and demand more
hahnsb2
These assholes are going around collecting signatures for more here in WA just two years after they got universal background checks passed.
KckUNjUbR6GMwpnD
Yes, the opinion of anti-gun people: "Only the government should have guns."
PattiMichelle
These emerge from discussion, but no important topics are being discussed. I wonder why that is?
Dispari
If you mean on imgur, 140 character limit. If you mean broadly, too many profitable agendas attached to the debate.
charlie2979
We exist in that middle ground right now.
aselfdefeatingattitude
And it's not working. Which means we need to tweak things more until it does.
charlie2979
It could work perfectly fine if people bothered enforcing current laws. But they don't and they won't.
aselfdefeatingattitude
That's kind of by design. There's a reason the ATF has been defunded so much.
iDrinkDrano
So it doesn't. So there needs to be tweaks.
KunFayyaKun
No one has called for an abolishment of the second amendment. We curtail the first amendment all the time, and that is a more important one.
SweatyEddie
Pretty sure I can't own a machine gun, so..
KunFayyaKun
YOu can own a gun that can be modified into a machine gun just fine.
SweatyEddie
Once I convert my rifle into an automatic weapon, I just commited felony.
Morrigi
You can, it's just time-consuming and exorbitantly expensive.
lesserknowncharacter
When did we curtail the first amendment?
spaghettiThunderbolt
The 1st Amendment doesn't apply in many cases. Mostly, in schools and when speech is considered inciteful ("fightin' words")
lesserknowncharacter
It's insanely complex, but so tired of mofos who are like "free speech is officially dead because I was an ass and someone told to shut up."
MemeLord17
See: Free Speech Zones
lesserknowncharacter
I'll concede that. There is a bullshit loophole that allows free speech zones to not actually violate the first amendment legally.
JohnLeoKnight
Never go full retard. Second protects the first.
RealScienceMan
and 5 because 5 is really the most important one, and protects well all of them.
Huor
Yes, it's prevented the concentration of media into a tiny number of corporate owners, ensuring tough questions never get asked. Yay second!
HungrySam
spaghettiThunderbolt
No it fucking doesn't. If the government wanted to become tyrannical, civilian gun owners wouldn't stop them.
DVSBSTrD
And yet, you've never actually USED the second to protect the first. You usually shoot the people who use the first.
MPBroseph
Top kek
SexualViolence
You went there.
MoparGoVroomVroom
If you really think your gun is going to protect you from the government I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you...
Talmorean
Just fyi, roughly 80% of the military is right wingers that would oppose an order to kill "right wing" rebel civilians.
MoparGoVroomVroom
There are lots of factors to take into account. My point is that if the government comes for you, there's little you can do about it.
Talmorean
Die with a rifle in my hand and take as many of those fuckers as I can.
MoparGoVroomVroom
You won't take anyone. You'll disappear in the night and nobody will hear from you again.
MoparGoVroomVroom
And that point assumes compliance.
raginglolz
Saying "the second protects the first" is going full retard already. You having a gun has nothing to do with protecting your freedom
evilini
Truuuuuue
OverwhelmingNeedForSources
Maybe for you, it does for others.
doctorbees
How so?
doomreaper91
Honest question, how do you figure?
spaghettiThunderbolt
Because an AR-15 won't stop a tank. Besides, there are many nations where every moron doesn't own a gun, and they aren't dictatorships.
doomreaper91
Why do you have to label us morons? Name calling just makes your arguement weak. Second your statement has nothing to do with the comment
raginglolz
Roughly 70 % of the countries in the world are "free", most have gun control and people don't need guns to keep their freedom.
HuntingtonBrown
The US government has Drones. You're bringing a gun to a drone fight. Good luck actually using the 2nd Amend. for its original purpose.
Talmorean
Who's flying those drones? Right wingers. Hillary should fear a military coup if that cunt wins.
JohnWilkesTableorBooth
Jim Jefferies reference?
HuntingtonBrown
Shove off ya cunt. (Jim Jefferies for "yeah").
HuntingtonBrown
Although I have had this sentiment as an American long before he made it realllly funny.
JohnWilkesTableorBooth
Yeah I think I've pondered that before him. Your AR won't do much against a ballistic missile
earlywormy
The 2nd amendment guarantees (should) the right for citizens to own nukes. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed by any barriers.
raginglolz
Good luck getting a nuke without the CIA/ NSA/ FBI breaking down your door and making you "disappear"
earlywormy
Yeah, but the amendment dictates that they shouldn't be able to take it from ya.
raginglolz
they can sure as hell label you a terrorist and take it from you. And it's a lot easier to do say you're a terrorist when you have a nuke
KckUNjUbR6GMwpnD
And in Vietnam we had tanks and helicopters and the local population had AK47s. Guess who won.
justasuggesture
Despite winning, they died at a rate of about 10:1, possibly more. So yeah, they won, but at a massive human cost to both them and the civs.
HiMyNameIsKevinIHaveChangnesia
The VC were a well organized and well equipped guerilla army. Joe Bob and his 30-06 from Cabela's ain't gonna stop anyone.
HuntingtonBrown
Hahahahaha thank you for this comment.
HuntingtonBrown
The Viêt Cong won because we were on their turf and the Viêt Cong had much more weaponry than that. They had funding from the USSR.
MariusKingOfSeaGulls
In Denmark we have all but one of the rights of the 1st amendment, and it is well protected without the rights of the 2nd amendment.
UncleFester11
Blah blah blah works for Denmark must work for a ginormous country 4x its size
JohnLeoKnight
You dont have the corruption or gangs that we have here in the states
NoughtPointOneFour
Oh there are gangs in Denmark. Who do you think imports and distributes drugs? Most gun violence in Denmark is due to gangs.
BondHaimBond
Most corruption in the US is legal.
MariusKingOfSeaGulls
Then make more anti corruption laws. Use more money on putting your youth on the right track.
boattrash
It's not that easy, A LOT of it has to do with culture and the influences of the youth over the last 30 years. It's a complex social issue
evilblackdog
Anti-corruption laws? Hahahaha... right. Let's tell our government to pass laws making their corruption more illegal.
evilblackdog
I don't know why we didn't think of that sooner!
goblinofstoichiometry
Oh... Thats all it takes. Wish we knew that earlier this whole thing would have been fixed.
MariusKingOfSeaGulls
It isn't all, but it will help a lot.
HanShotFirst39
You also have a population that's less than NYC. You're comparing apples to oranges.
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
I never understood what population has to do with anything
HanShotFirst39
A country of 318.9 mil is more likely to have violent incidents than a country of 5 mil. Statistical probability.
ImgurMontoya
Population and population density have vast effects on how a society functions and interacts with itself. Different social pressures.
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
Population density has some effects on certain things, such as public transportation, but total population really doesn't matter.
aselfdefeatingattitude
Psst, a lot of people believe things that work in other countries won't work here because we're just too gosh darned racist.
HanShotFirst39
It also protects you at 3am when someone breaks into your house and the cops have a 20min eta.
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BitchButcher
Right. A society full of violence, inequality, low social standards, no self-reflecting attitude you better get a gun to shot that bastard!
earlywormy
No society will ever be equal. Even in the face of a unisex and unirace species, people's actions will set their value...
ImgurMontoya
No, no, no! You should just let him shoot you. After all, guns are dangerous, why would you want one?
raginglolz
So you keep your gun accessible from your bed where your kid can take it and shoot your other kid by accident?
reaperhead
I didn't know a Strawman just broke into your house
HanShotFirst39
I don't have kids. If a gun owner has kids then they should responsibly store their firearms.
raginglolz
Then they're not protecting anyone! If people are breaking into your house, you don't have time to go pull your gun out of the safe
HanShotFirst39
Sure you do. They make many hand gun safes that you can open in seconds with a fingerprint or a certain push button code.
MPBroseph
how many times has that happend to you?
xedative
Does it need to happen before you're eligible to have a home defense weapon?
AboutToCr4sh
0, and he wouldn't be able to do a fucking thing if it actually did. Thinks he's rambo
LockeLongmast
You're just as naive to believe there's no people capable of protecting their home. What do you feed your horse to get it so high?
ImgurMontoya
I've never been in a car accident, but I always wear my seatbelt to protect myself
HanShotFirst39
What a dumb question. My house has never caught on fire. Still have extinguishers and smoke detectors.
earlywormy
There were nuclear bunkers during the Cold War, how often did a nuclear holocaust happen again?
HanShotFirst39
Sound logic. Because you've never needed a gun in suburbia then no one should have one. There are bad neighborhoods in the world.
MPBroseph
If noone had a gun noone would be killed by gun violence. and yes i know its not that simple but americas gunlaws are retarded.
MPBroseph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE&list=PL8eq5DPi5SWyNbFQ8qdJSfWtblaY3-iky Ermagherd gun control works!?!?! :O
HanShotFirst39
Yep, then there'd be more victims of violent crime. What a great option!
chiplizard
They can just kill me if that happens.
xedative
Boy, you sure convinced us to lay down our guns!
chiplizard
I wasn't trying to. I'm saying that I'd rather just be killed
chiplizard
You guys can have your guns and do whatever you want. I just know that I can't trust myself with one.
ImgurMontoya
Don't worry: If you're unarmed, they will.
iDrinkDrano
I support the right to guns but this notion that every burglar is prepared to murder is fucking retarded. Bad argument.
ImgurMontoya
So we should just play on the burglars good will?
chiplizard
Even if I was armed there's no way I'd be able to do anything. Please just kill me now
ImgurMontoya
Pulling a trigger isn't hard, and it could mean saving your life
CerebrawlHemmorage
Nope, not even top 10 actually, unless you're using absolute instead of per capita numbers.
gaijinsmash
please name one first world country higher than America
CerebrawlHemmorage
#18 for gun homicides, #11 for gun deaths total, per capita.![]()
TerryCruise
Shhhh. Don't bring facts into a speculation debate.
whytezombie
gaijinsmash
see comment above. Also, the numbers havent come out yet and i hate to speculate, but i imagine our death rate has increased since 2014
CerebrawlHemmorage
Because BLM is making cops reluctant to patrol problem neighborhoods?
gaijinsmash
...no, because the number of mass shootings has drastically increased. Way to bring racism into a gun debate
CerebrawlHemmorage
Mass shootings are a small portion of the total homicides. The vast majority is gangland.
gaijinsmash
again though, both of us are speculating. Making non fact based assumptions, something both parties have been doing way too much recently
CerebrawlHemmorage
It should also be noted that homicide rates have been droping steadily since the early 90s, but occasional peaks are expected in statistics.
CerebrawlHemmorage
2014's murder rate was about 1/3rd of 1991s murder rate, IIRC. 3.9 vs 9.8. Hmm about 40%.
raginglolz
Notice how all of those aren't first world countries. That's like saying you're rich because you have more money than a homeless guy
CerebrawlHemmorage
If you remove the 10 biggest cities from the data, the rest is much closer to the rest of the first world.
CerebrawlHemmorage
All I did was show that OP is factually wrong. But yes, the US has higher crime than most first world countries, mostly in the big cities.
raginglolz
... Affect those people that shouldn't own guns, have to apply to everyone. Thus the law has to control guns because as a society we have...
raginglolz
... People that shouldn't own gun from owning them. Unfortunately for all the good gun owners, we are all equal under law so laws that...
raginglolz
My biggest issue isn't crime in general. It's the mass shootings. Gun control isn't meant as an f you to the gun lovers, it meant to stop...
CerebrawlHemmorage
But it doesn't, criminals gonna crime. Mass shootings are planned, that means they can get illegal guns that gun control won't stop.
CerebrawlHemmorage
France, Belgium and Germany get mass shootings, with much stricter gun control.
CerebrawlHemmorage
And the most effective way to stop a mass shooting is with guns, from good citizens already on the scene.
raginglolz
.... To walk as our slowest member
CerebrawlHemmorage
So your argument is collective punishment to the lowest denominator, effectively you're a wannabe Handicapper General.
CerebrawlHemmorage
You basically went "You can't trust a paranoid schizophrenic with a fork, so nobody can have a fork."