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On Saturday morning, 200 hackers at UC Berkeley gathered to save federal climate change data before it gets erased. They deserve recognition.
"Groups like DataRefuge and the Environmental Data and Governance Initiative, which organized the Berkeley hackathon to collect data from NASA’s earth sciences programs and the Department of Energy, are doing more than archiving. Diehard coders are building robust systems to monitor ongoing changes to government websites. And they’re keeping track of what’s already been removed—because yes, the pruning has already begun. The data collection is methodical, mostly. About half the group immediately sets web crawlers on easily-copied government pages, sending their text to the Internet Archive, a digital library made up of hundreds of billions of snapshots of webpages. They tag more data-intensive projects—pages with lots of links, databases, and interactive graphics—for the other group. Called 'baggers,' these coders write custom scripts to scrape complicated data sets from the sprawling, patched-together federal websites."
Amazing.
SOURCE
https://www.wired.com/2017/02/diehard-coders-just-saved-nasas-earth-science-data/
OBM1
Wow. That's awesome.
cinemeasctha
Well done for thinking to do this and actually doing it
lurkingoldman
Are they saving the real data or the doctored data?
impostersquall
"Hackers"
PatuMedra
yea actual hackers so ?
CardsinMA
Wasn't somebody at NASA already doing this?
helpidontknowmyname
NASA and NOAA started the moment Trump won the election. Scientists worldwide donated server space. It's all been backed up for posterity.
ilikecheeseburgers
YouHad1Job
As much as I love reading Wired, they are so far biased to the left they lose a lot of credibility as a source in these types of stories.
SerialChillinSpree
Got a subscr thinking it would fill me in on current tech, like they used to. Ended up not even reading the last 6 i got. Left them 4 neigbr
Verbodentoegang
Read somewhere they did this also with a site for animal wellfare listing in the U.S.
SteveMND
It's concerning that we've hit that point already where people -- and not just conspiracy nuts anymore -- are thinking this to be necessary.
GentlemanScientist
Well, it's the other side that uses alternate facts this time.
briham
"the Environmental Data and Governance Initiative," Now that's what I call EDGI!
beepbeepmeow
ok that was good
briham
I'm embarrassed to admit it took me three tries to make that comment. Kept hitting the enter button prematurely.
IronicContradiction
"Hackers"
rentedmule2442
But Lord Dampnut says climate change is a hoax started by the Chinese to keep Murica down.
IREALLYLIKEREDHEADEDWOMEN
His name is taboo you fool!
VaryingVolition
I can't wait to "hack" this imgur post by hitting the downvote button and adding one downvote.
VaryingVolition
The definition of hacking is accessing something in a roundabout way. There is nothing roundabout this. The data comes from gov. websites.
TimothyTRiG
If they're writing scripts to automate the process, then it's legitimately hacking. I don't know where your definition comes from.
GoBears55
Berkeley is an amazing university...those non-student, rent-a-thug, anarchist fuckers aside.
GoodNewsCigaretteJuice
God this made me realize how incredibly ignorant I actually am
SwarzeTrauer
sauerteig
The virginity is strong in this one.
raven69a
The building of the digital library of Alexandria. Hope it has a better ending.
Siefer209
Go Bears!!!
WitcherSchoolDropout
"hackers"
PatuMedra
yea actual hackers so ?
WitcherSchoolDropout
Running scripts is not hacking kiddo
Jaron58
HACK THE PLANET!!!!
ChloeRed
Given one of the follow up lines.. ("They're trashing our rights") that might be more apt then ever
ilikecheeseburgers
C141Clay
http://imgur.com/lFAYIvx
Jaron58
Mess with the best die like the rest.
Gradwin
Squelchtone
Threewisemen
I hacked my pants this morning......I put on my pants this morning.....I call it a life hack.....hack.
Threewisemen
Hack
goodnessgraciousme
I'm just hacking this reply button right here, send! Hack complete.
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
I heard they weren't liking science, but they're DELETING DATA NOW? why???
pomoworldnunya
No they're not. This is a preemptive action. It just makes a better headline if they say it's already happened
HiddenSanity
Technically, they're 'archiving' it, out of public access.
ChewyVuitton
They aren't
HiddenSanity
Technically, they're 'archiving' it, out of public access.
Slopbox
Technically, they're 'archiving' it, out of public access.
givemefakeinternetpointsplease
According to Michael Crichton, the government already erased climate change data (that which didn't fit their global warming narrative).
ThisFrickenGuy
I don't have time to look into this. But since it doesn't fit the narrative, people round here won't care. It's too deeply embedded.
givemefakeinternetpointsplease
for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJsDtSHjdE
Jaboticaba
Any evidence of it happening more recently than 2007?
SomeDetroitGuy
Can we stop using the word "hacker" to describe people doing things other than hacking?
stfnschfr
Just accept it. "Hack" doesn't mean what it used to anymore. The longer you fight it, the more painful and hard to accept it becomes.
digitalutopia
The problem is, what people are trying to make it mean, makes it meaningless.
stfnschfr
Are you stoned? http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/993/875/084.png
digitalutopia
Just saying that if you're going to call any form of scripting, "hacking", then there isn't much of a point in using the word. It's like /1
digitalutopia
OMG GUYZ WATCH ME HAX0R! console.log("Hello World"); BOW BEFORE MAH 1337n335! /2
DethShartBSideU
Hacktivist.
noxrevielle
The term "hacker" originally meant something different, than you think it means. It was the media that gave it the meaning you think about.
SomeDetroitGuy
I think that you have no idea what I think the term means. They're just copying websites with premade bots plus a lot of manual work.
stfnschfr
I think you missed his point. "Hack" didn't originally mean what you've grown up thinking it means. And now it means something else. Get it?
SomeDetroitGuy
I know exactly what it means. It doesn't mean "Copying websites manually".
stfnschfr
Honestly didn't read article, assumed "life hack"-esque. Maybe one of them wrote a script to scrape the data from the website. Close enough.
tekkblade
If they are just copying website data from publicly accessible sites there is zero hacking happening.
noxrevielle
I didn't say there is. But from reading his comment I got the sense that he doesn't know what "hacker" actually means or meant, (1/2)
EarthAnimalArmy
you are being a douche trying to prove you are smart, doesn't matter what the term originally meant dumbass, it matters what it means now
noxrevielle
even though he insists on correct usage of the term. (2/2)
noxrevielle
But that's just me assuming that he doesn't know, since i assume most people don't. Might actually be that he does, but i hope others look
digitalutopia
obviously, to the media - "hacker" means anybody doing anything more advanced than browsing facebook.
MotoH
Are you really a hacker if you download a crawler and save pdfs?
Freddy67h
Nope.
86Zephyr
We are all hackers.
DownvotesMakeMeMoist
There are a few definitions. Like, life hacks arent hacks, they're just cheap tricks. Same as this. and also if you said 'developers' 1/2
DownvotesMakeMeMoist
you wouldn't get nearly the same amount of clicks on your article \shrugs. 2/2
MyPasswordIs1234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#JSTOR
MyPasswordIs1234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#JSTOR
mundred
To computer scientists hacker means you 'hack' crap together quickly, crackers are the ones who 'crack' security systems
KeeleonOhms
As a caucasian computer expert, im so triggered right now. Thats OUR word!
SilverNicktail
Hollywood fucked up the common usage pretty hard in the nineties.
Horehey360
HACK THE PLANET!!!
brickweed
Zero Cool & Crash Override were the best h4x0rs ever!
Chpgmr
hack the planet
brickweed
HACK THE PLANET!
foszor
youareandshallalwaysbemyfuzzy
Yeah, is it really "hacking" if it is organized by the univeristy, and every gets a How To at the begining? Cant it just be a data dump save
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
it actually has dual meanings - you could also "be a hack" or "do a hack job", i.e. do quick work with low quality.
CyborgScribe
No, this is right. YOU are probably thinking of "crackers" who do the Hollywood stuff. Digital B&E
foszor
they are neither hacking or cracking, they are archiving data
FAECI
it is though, making up bots quickly to archive is hacking, but it isnt cracking
digitalutopia
No, it's just data farming. Building a web scraper isn't anything close to hacking.
FAECI
hacking as I understand is putting together code, sometimes very quickly, building a web scrapper would then be hacking
digitalutopia
cracking=picking/breaking the lock. hacking= going through the window. soc. eng. = getting someone to open the door for you - phishing=/1
digitalutopia
tricking someone into giving you a copy of their key/2
choualacreme
(Every 5 minutes) *Hacker Voice* I'm in
TreepacLumpynutz666
*Hacker voice* Saving hoax data. Check. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/5/climate-change-whistleblower-alleges-noaa-manipula/
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
"I'm going to try to hack the gibson... their firewall is trying to give us a virus... this virus DNA is exquisitely complex... okay I'm in"
ThePsychoanalyst
Broke the encabulator, im in.
c6e2m7
i know the first three numbers
IHaveThePerfectPuzzleForYou
HACK THE PLANET!
StrangelyCalm
Acid Burn
soNotHereCuzImARedditRefugee
("aaaaaannnnnd... i'm in");
Jayrunn
https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-01-2015/4FxkK9.gif
pervertedartifacting
Voidspear
... scotty
Allthegunsintheworld
I'm givener all she's got captain!
IncongruousEquilateralNonscalarPoint
Gayforbae
Right before he gets flash frozen.... Karma..
Hitlersbulgingmilkybreasts
f0eva
In a Sam Winchester voice
IWishIHadABetterNickName
It's only programmer, no hacker there. No "I'm in".
Silmarilcrown
Hot girl in the back room, "are you in yet?"
MetroidPrimeHesTheBest
Access main computer file
Derplord
Isn't that the home of the free speech movement? Wow, glorious I hope they don't go and fuck it up by shutting down free speech and rioting.
iprobablyshouldbedoingsomethingproductive
This made me spit my cereal out.
kaarbaak1337
It's a Unix system. I know this!
MetroidPrimeHesTheBest
Access main computer file
RedPipe
Clever girl.
larryqa
I've hacked into the main dataframe! Shelley turn on the quantum capacitor to full maximum velocity!!!1!!!1
Alliefoo
I'm using a ddr to bypass their kernel but my worm almost got caught in their honey trap. It looks like I'll have to null pointer attack it!
larryqa
that gave me a good chuckle
VonRichtofenlw
this is what we need a favorite comments system for
DoctorOwly
Do you think if hackers have sex they do the same? "I'm in.... I'm in.... I'm in"
slandr
they don't have sex.
DoctorOwly
Ouch
FreekoftheHood
Can't get in the main way. Let's try the backdoor...... Definitely got the backdoor sealed up tight.
DoctorOwly
I wanted to make a joke about condoms being a firewall but I got nothin. Oh well I tried
bestgame01
God damnit! Mission failed, my computer's infected with Trojans. We'll get em next time boys!
shmekie
"I'm in, I'm out. I'm in, I'm out. I'm in, I'm out. I'm in, I'm out. I'm done."
th3p0x
"That's not iiiiiit."
LarryTesler
"If"? You're a mean one :)
MetaSomma
As a hacker, yes. And yes it's awkward.
Weentit
I get that ref *hacker voice*
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Just imagine this deadly quiet room and you only hear "I'm in" in a harshly whispery voice every moment.
deltaquadrant
and the smell of onions.
JerryWhinefeld
some BODY ONCE TOLD ME THE WORLD WAS GONNA ROW ME
BewilderedBeaver
Don't forget the typing sounds and never using a mouse.
mentalcaries
IHaveThePerfectPuzzleForYou
ASMR that shit. One hour long.
Thanaroa
With the occasional "I'll suck the internet dry!" in a fake Chinese accent.
Dionysus187
With a random 'YES!" and someone throwing their fists in the air in between.
VeryMoistTowelettes
PenisOfDeath
Don't forget the sound of furious typing
fyndir
Kind of lacking the occasional "wait why did that not work? OH GOD I'M A WORTHLESS FRAUD"
687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f345445577138502e6a7067
Efreeti
ghettofish
And then some dude with a Russian accent who loves flipping his pen screams out "I AM INVINCIBLE!".
Zachakx
Hack the mainframe to steal the files from the database.
IREALLYLIKEREDHEADEDWOMEN
I wonder if gov data is still on mainframes.. Imgur?
IREALLYLIKEREDHEADEDWOMEN
I wonder if gov data is still on mainframes.. Imgur?
strakur
not sure about environmental stuff, but the govt has systems going back to the 50s. Ars Technica wrote a piece on it
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Just to be clear. It's not just the Trump administration, it's the Republican controlled Congress http://imgur.com/x6MeA3f
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thatguywhohasnoname
I think you may be missing the point. But you are correct
CrazyGuyOnABike
Until more than two republican senators grow a spine, those are the same thing till midterms.
Insomnia297
Either way, erasing information is the dumbest thing I've ever heard someone consider.
Whiteavenger
The article just says "they believe that the Trump administration might want to disappear this data down a memory hole". You're just biased.
CrazyGuyOnABike
Until more than two republican senators grow a spine, those are the same thing till midterms.
CrazyGuyOnABike
Until more than two republican senators grow a spine, those are the same thing till midterms.
CrazyGuyOnABike
Until more than two republican senators grow a spine, those are the same thing till midterms.
IronicUsername
An informed public is the greatest threat to the GOP.
ImgurianElysium
And people are foolish to think this didn't happen under the previous administration's.
CookingBaconDrunkAndNaked
Well, I mean, it's not like the left hasn't tried to get rid of stuff too. I mean..oh who am I kidding...there's no convincing ppl.
GiantRobotsRule
But gunsreligionabortionemailbenghazi!!
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override367
they'll all still win in 2018, and they'll pick up seats, because non republicans are snowflakes who wont vote for someone who isn't perfect
Tehadam
They're such fucking wimps.
Onefoggynight
It really doesn't matter who is doing it, it should NOT BE ALLOWED
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
Agreed. But Republicans pull this shit. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/586/cosponsors <-Life at Inception bill
Onefoggynight
Oh what a wonderful world we live in.
JudgeMentalCat
Trump is just the spraytanned cherry on the right-wing politics sundae.
Onefoggynight
He's a menace to the world in general
itsdubbyab
How so?
DeusExSpockina
So is the GOP
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Its the whole gov't. Not just Trump and the Republicans.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
What part of the government isn't Trump and Republican right now (excluding the judicial branch for now)?
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
You think hiding, obfuscating or manipulating data is a new problem? You can't be that dumb.
PekkaKarhunen
Exactly 0 Democrats want to erase federal climate change data. This is a partisan issue. Take your BOTH SIDES bullshit elsewhere
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
You're just uninformed and a fool. I'm not talking just about climate data.
evilblackdog
The Democrats only "care" because they can grant themselves more power in the name of protecting you.
HumanInhuman
So true.
PekkaKarhunen
No, we don't. We really, really believe in trying to make the country a better place for everyone. I want Trump voters to have affordable
PekkaKarhunen
health care. I want white working class people to have good jobs. I want civil rights for everyone, good schools, a strong economy.
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
It's essentially called the Digital Dark Age, because history is record virtually rather than physically, if a gov comes to power... (1/2)
QueenCousland
Scary and all, but wouldn't book bannings and burnings have the same effect?
IShouldBeStudyingRightNowInsteadOfBrowsingImgur
ShitIsRidiculous
Fuck that's really Orwellian!
KonaDarbles
Scary how much that phrase comes up nowadays :(
JonRedcorn862
It was far more popular a few years ago.
johnvictor
Add in letting groups of people dictate what you can or cannot access online that are not part of the government but friends with it.
OneN7billion
Go on...
UrzaTron
They can't it stopped at (2/2) not enough space for (3/2)
OMEUNOMEEMINISAR
What the fuck are you talking about? We use rocks in Africa to record our history
Depwl9992
I saw this as being a problem from day 1 of "store it all on the cloud." I still insist on offline copies of everything I buy online.
TheLordOfThePies
I have a diary I write in and I hope others do too, so hopefully historians can look through our shit in case information is wiped.
TheSqeeek
It's crazy what can disappear. I collect Palm handhelds, 90% of the apps, hacks, info, etc I have are just gone from the internet like they
TheSqeeek
never even happened. So much work just gone. I know it's minor stuff in comparison but could see how the same could happen elsewhere.
CyberPunk1987
I'm curious, why do you collect them? What makes them unique?
inkompetent
1/2 And stuff like that will happen even if we try to preserve data, because ever-changing storage formats and vastly increasing amounts of
inkompetent
2/2 ...data means that storage gets more and more expensive and time-consuming. A lot of old data will vanish because of cutting expenses.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
That said. The Internet Archive ROCKS! http://imgur.com/QBcxKzL (imgur in 2009) Consider donating https://archive.org/donate/
zhukoz
< 2mb
DrPepper523
Fitting username
DrPepper523
Fitting username, and thanks for the links
Efreeti
Archive.org's importance is underestimated and it's hugely underrepresented. It must live on.
DefinitelyProbablyPooping
Is there an archive of archive.org?
Trollhydra
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e7/e7633bedf897bb24ce668ac9c5df6bf88a58ff7e114d27606a756f4c4888a3f1.jpg
TimesAlmostUp
When I'm rich I'll make two of them: one in Antartica and one on Mars. Catastrophe-proof, as much as possible.
Belckan
THE GOD EMPEROR OF MAN SHALL RISE IN THIS DARK AGE!
1337JBear
I need some thunder warriors!
FernachoLibre
I get the reference!
HEXADECIMAL
Isn't this how Rome and the Space Marines got their emperor's?
DarthZartanyus
I'm already here...
EBlade19889
Does orange count as xeno?
CrazyCatLad
Purge the mutant, the heretic.
eagleandy93
Blessed is the mind too small for doubt!
eagleandy93
wait...
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
(2/2)... wishing to erase history they can, with no physical backup you have the surviving generation to keep the legacy, then it's gone.
daytimedrinkingincoffeecups
Ever seen the movie "The Giver" ? Exactly what happens
HughDick
Shit, this is really happening. Not in north korea, but here!!
ossmimages6
This is why I make copies of my ass on the Xerox every chance I get.
doctorwoohooo
You guys should read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptonomicon
HeroThatWasNeeded
...
efemral
I thought the whole point of the internet was to make data non-centralized?
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
The idea of the Internet is to make connections non-centralised, rather than the data.
OGParseltongue
I feel like a read about this in a book onetime... something about 1984
ABCDEFGevolved
Print it
OGParseltongue
I feel like a read about this in a book onetime... something about 1984
Tkeleth
...which is exactly how the government controlled ideas of the populous in Orwell's 1984. "Those who control history control the future."
poopymcgee63
As a historian I agree
Geezreally
What if they follow this guy's example? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164804/This-looks-like-print-Wikipedia.html
Placentaur
That's terrifying
PuddingPanda
Ever heard of a book called 1984? I feel like this is where we're heading
pain938
People will replicated it, and if they're afraid of keeping the physical data, throw it on a server somewhere not in America.
eetsumkaus
too bad most data is backed up on physical media somewhere. it's much harder to COMPLETELY wipe data now
YouWOULDsaythat
So print the internet to save the planet. ???
bestgame01
You'd destroy the world, we'd run out of trees, do you know how many forests it would take to print all of PornHub? YouTube, 4chan, Yahoo?
BeckyLookAtHerButt
Mankind's most cherished flip books.
cookseancook
We can have unlimited virtual backups though. But then there is the problem of how to resolve discrepancies if the backups differ.
thatmangodude
That's torrents basically
TysonGoesOutside
Jacxy
Always time to take up smoking...
TysonGoesOutside
"May I have a cigarette?"
PopeFacto
Welcome to 1984! We have a President who doesn't accept critique, lots of Newspeak (lies = "alternative facts"), and now the Memory Hole...
silverbean
I'm worried about scientific research being changed, placed behind a pay-wall, or becoming difficult to access. I've been doing a similar1/2
silverbean
project for the last few weeks. Built up a MySQL database and I've been saving water purity reports from the state. It's a lot of leg work.
shorr
Plenty of research is behind a paywall. Plos has been trying to publish free stuff tho
DownvotesMakeMeMoist
It's the internet... There is always another copy somewhere. (I'm a sysadmin, I know). And these guys at the hackathon 1/*
DownvotesMakeMeMoist
Are doing exactly that. Writing something to store the data isn't the pain, it's the republishing of the data that will take time. 2/2
Hotbeebop
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Zachakx
I feel like you took a deep toke about 10 minutes or so ago.
Hotbeebop
I wish. I just hadn't heard of any of this shit and I pooed my pants just a tinge
clarityatheights
I definitely did this, and this was definitely my reaction. You must speak from experience.
Zachakx
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
whatfloatsyourboat
>:() same
tornbetweenscyllaandcovfefe
Yeah, except there are so many other countries that actively preserve and back up this kind of data lol. What a baseless fear.
Ansatsunin
Until those countries also have dictators. Or suffer war and are annexed. The world changes. Then there's the new theatre of war - cyber.
tornbetweenscyllaandcovfefe
Because dictators are an inevitability. /S
dmax12
this is also pretty dumb, because there are physical archives of 80%+ of all gov computers with a delta of ~ 1 month (prob more in reality)
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
I think it's a fair scenario, granted more tilted to the future than now. As for your archives if they are stored by the gov, well....
YarTheBug
And THIS is why we need net neutrality.
ChadwickWimpole
He who controls the present controls the past, and he who controls the past controls the future...
SidneyHarbor
But that's the case with print records too, except it's easier to preserve digital documents than physical ones.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
actually no. sure, print records will degrade, but digital records will reach the point of "can't be deciphered anymore" MUCH earlier. >
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
> add to that the inherent volatility of digital storage, and you're one nuclear winter away from losing everything forever.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
actually no. sure, print records will degrade, but digital records will reach the point of "can't be deciphered anymore" MUCH earlier. >
Notme68
But have coping a books take as long time, wet can scan it as replicate it much faster now. Then we can make 1,000's of copies in an instant
Notme68
Also store 10,000's of volumes on something the size is a postage stamp.
BeckyLookAtHerButt
Anyone have something that can read these Zip disks I found?
Bystandr
It has already happened with much of the information on there. It is mostly the same (why its hard to detect) but a good deal has been
Bystandr
subject to revisionism. You dont just have to go to china trying to research starvation in the great leap forward or the armenian genocide
Bystandr
in turkey. We are going to have to fall back on previously published works for many things or we may not even realize what we think is
Bystandr
fact is actually subtly altered fraud. At least with print you can change future publications but the past ones remain.
Kendurha
This TERRIFIES me more and more every single day.
Penguinsruletheworld
Which is why we should have multiple archived backups of the internet at all times.
Penguinsruletheworld
NSA already has one. I think the UK is working on their own as well. No fisting porn though. That's bad. Ban all Fisting Porn.(UKbannedit
dohrmiester39
The more I've worked with tech, the more I've kept physical records and written things down because of this realization.
dmax12
learn to get physical offsite backups. get with the times.
dmax12
learn to get physical offsite backups. get with the times.
dohrmiester39
I have it. Can't store my photoshop documents in a cabinet. get with your own ass.
dmax12
why not
DownvotesMakeMeMoist
Cloud backups! External backups! The more you work with tech, the more you should backup.
dohrmiester39
Have all of it, have physical files too because as your advice suggests... more backing up
DownvotesMakeMeMoist
yeah good luck printing 12TB of PHP git repos. physical files aren't necessary with enough redundancy.
Thephedora
unless you decide to do a physical back up ie print. but its not cost effective
dmax12
1 buy tinfoil. 2 buy box. 3. wrap box. 5. Copy data to blu ray. 6. enjoy your new version of the tinfoil hat
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_dark_age
volvo64
That's not what you described...
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
This is why the word "essentially" was used.
downofathistle
Everybody needs to go read Oryx & Crake by Margaret Atwood
PotionNeko
Seconding, and adding Year of the Flood as well as The Handmaid's Tale.
downofathistle
and Mad Addam obviously to make the trilogy
schmonday
I am adding Invisible Cities for no relevant reason.
Mobius96
Thats a crock of shit, you cant delete anything once its on the internet, you can block it but not delete it
MyPasswordIs1234
Server owner can delete anything. If no one saved a copy, it's gone.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Mobius96
Do you know what a darknet backlog is? Its a save state of websites, the website is saved as an html file for back up.
Morg729
Sounds like 1984 to me with the Ministry of Truth
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
The Ministry of Truth is Hollywood.
arokitz
Or Fahrenheit 451
override367
the Trump admin is not nearly so competent as the 1984 government, although they do have a lot of mindless fascists supporting them
Ansatsunin
Never underestimate groups like those behind Trump. He's just a puppet and figurehead. There are massively intelligent people plotting.
override367
Well, a person, and his name is Putin
mediaman73
If you control history, you control the future.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
it's pretty normal if you look at the last 2000 years of history. also, keeping digital records for more than a few decades is actually >
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
> MUCH harder than keeping books/scrolls.
YoureWaifuAShit
agreed, it's VERY difficult.
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
It's not a new idea, just that with everything moving online or digital the ease of implementation has increased somewhat.
moosehugger
Mesopotamia did the same thing, except it involved chiseling people out of stone carvings.
ASuperNiceAndExtremelyShortNickname
I am reading this book at the momeny, truly fantastic so far
Morg729
You're gonna be really disappointed by the ending
ASuperNiceAndExtremelyShortNickname
I do not think that I can get disapointed anymore after I looked at my life :^)
CantStopTheRock
It's scary that politics is messing around with science. Facts are facts whether you want them to be our not, that's the beauty of science.
coolestpersonyouwillknow
So you must've missed the latest scandal and data cover up. Yes politics are huge, you're just blaming the wrong side.
beepbeepmeow
It is terrifying. Because those who can convince others of absurdities can get them to commit atrocities.
EarthAnimalArmy
which is why all your friends are resorting to violence in the streets, it truly is amazing the sheer absurdities you used to convince them
RingSting
It's been happening for years, most scientist are funded by the government. If they choose to disagree with what were meant to believe...
RingSting
...they become a laughing stock among the scientific community.
FDel
NOAA falsification. Don't let information get in the way
NotFarEnough
There wasn't any falsification. Why don't you actually read what the whistleblower said and get back to us?
Faeleam
You're telling this to a group of people who believe there's 1,000's of genders.
IShouldBeStudyingRightNowInsteadOfBrowsingImgur
But my book says "____________" . . .
colbyku3
I'd need to read up on this specifically. But the argument isn't science deniers. It's the questioning of fallible humans interpretations.
colbyku3
Science is truth. But to pretend we as humans always have all the data to undeniably prove that truth? We are constantly wrong.
MrFussell
Who ever said politics haa anything to do with truth
eroso
Let me get this straight, US gov is deleting research data it paid for because they didn't like what the data told? WHAT THE FUCK?! Insanity
LizardEnterprises
Not for the current Republican party...
LlamaLingo
Not to defend Trump, but science results can change with new technology and/or scientists
ShitsNGiggelz
They 'change' by building upon or disproving previous work, not by erasing it from the record. Big difference.
LlamaLingo
"Facts are facts"
absurdum123
It can. In the case of environmental research there is an overwhelming consensus though, based on decades of tedious research
LlamaLingo
"Facts are facts"
SharkyMcSnarkface
Facts can be wrong. We used to think cooties were a real thing.
vielleicht
that's not how facts work. facts are facts.
SharkyMcSnarkface
Facts change.
vielleicht
No. A fact never changes that's what makes him a fact.
SharkyMcSnarkface
If I said Morgan Freeman is alive now, that is a fact. If I said that in 75 years, I would be wrong as he is in fact dead.
CantStopTheRock
If you can point me to an actual scientific paper that says that I'll believe you. But i don't think that was ever a reality
SharkyMcSnarkface
I meant as children.
CantStopTheRock
That's not a fact. That was ignorance, the opposite of facts
Pokecole37
Things you believed as a child aren't necessarily facts just because you thought it was real.
SharkyMcSnarkface
Well, I do suppose I chose a rather poor example.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
I agree, but this didn't start w/ Trump though. Ex: huge whistleblower case now detailing how NOAA manipulated climate data to high a pause.
EarthAnimalArmy
at direction of Obama
BluBoxx
This is false. The whistle blower only took issue with the fact that the scientific research paper used a research data set rather than 1:
BluBoxx
Validated the NOAA study's results. This is a fake issue that's been intentionally falsely reported by radical right blogs 3/3
TomBrokaw
Frankly you're part of the problem as your summary is false: http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/no-data-manipulation-at-noaa/
EarthAnimalArmy
so 1 govt agency gets another to cover its lies, nice and neat, try again.
BluBoxx
An operational data set. He never claimed the data was manipulated improperly. And multiple independent studies from other scientists 2/
EarthAnimalArmy
aw, love how you try to twist the truth to your will and hide the fact that you lied
NotFarEnough
God damn it dude now you're just spreading misleading info, there wasn't any falsification of data, he critiqued how it was stored/accessed
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Well that san opinion. Come on. Why do u think you're left wing slanted info is any better than. Y right wing slanted info? Plus this is...
boopitybapity
I like how it's "left wing" to listen to intelligent ppl who devote their whole lives to studying one subject
NotFarEnough
This isn't a left wing/right wing thing. Why don't you actually read what John Bates said, and get back to us?
BluBoxx
Because the actual written statement is publicilly available.... And it says exactly what the guy above you indicated
dachsman71
That, and there's no profit in OT for those claiming change. As opposed to, oh, I don't know, Exxon. Those Fuckers. Follow the money.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
...imgur. A site that limits me to 140ch statements at a time. What I said is true but not complete. Not my job to be 100% perfect here.
FDel
It's almost like the people who love to try and quote facts and science don't care to research the whistle blower story. Weird
NotFarEnough
No, what you said is not true. Again: the issue was *not* with falsified or manipulated data.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
...unethical reasons. GW is a driver for 100s of billions in new taxes on us and I didn't articulate the possibility that bc of that...
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
My main point was to note that administrations going back to the start have manipulated/withheld/etc data from the public for various...
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Ok, you're right. manipulated maybe be a strong word.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
...we must be skeptical of what the govt says bc history shows they can't be trusted. I didn't illustrate this point well w/ the NOAA exampl