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pintDMG
I mean, the EU did the same, because Germany refused to classify nuclear if natural gas didn't also make the cut.
Chiner
EU did this as well last year... smh
darkstarmc
They're trying to do the same in Canada. Conservatives here at least are screaming that.
joe2017
Republicans, that's all
TalkingSnake
"What. We painted the canisters green."
iusedtodream
With lead-based paint. What?
GrandPubabofMoldistan
VW's logo before deseilgate
YouWillNeverFindMe
theUFCfan
Chronoroth
Lew4731
Dayton here. DeWine sucks.
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
Jesus fucking christ our nation is electing bought and paid for idiots
AtmaDarkwolf
Nah, just people keen on destroying what little life exists.
kylefromterminator
Always has been
certainlynotaserialkiller
its the idiots running it, the people doing the buying are not the idiots.
Greenwaxy
The heads of big corporations are absolutely idiots. Well born, well connected, with specialized job training. But every bit the idiot.
samwyze
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.!
exbenedict
That’s because their base is fucking dumber than a bag of rocks.
SexBeerGamingCarsMoviesCoffeeBurgersCats
No shit
Greenwaxy
Yeah. Where ya been the last 30 years?
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
I know it's been ongoing for decades but to see it advance this far is frustrating to me.
Greenwaxy
Congressmen are so cheap, a corporation would be insane not to buy the collectors boxed set.
rusrsdude
That's a good line, honestly lol. ?
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
lmao that is funny, but also horribly true
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
The same people who refuse to call trans women “women” are now telling us that fossil fuels identity as green energy?
LavenderMage
djangojazz
Ohio changing purple to red by forcing in stupidity.
Bandlith
You can call it whatever color you want, but its still not "RENEWABLE"
Bonesy84
This is why the US school lunch program recognizes pizza as a vegetable. Words have no meaning
Cynderfall
Remember folks. The Republican party is literally a terrorist party.
Ink41d0
I really need to kick this Imgur addiction before America digs itself deep enough that it falls out the ass-end of the world & keeps going.
newsguycraigevans
Does this upset you? It should. Don't vote Republican.
FailedCrate
Must've copied their homework from the EU. Srsly, fuck Van Der Laien and her shit cabinet. Horrible beings.
DaierMune
Look, we here in Michigan have been trying to warn the world how awful Ohio is for years now...
Bizarkly
We did something about it too: flipped the legislature to all Dem, after instituting a citizen's committee to redraw electoral maps fairly.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
More of light-blueish color in my opinion
Starfury42
This is what happens to a country that doesn't have a good education system. Nobody knows how to think critically.
LitchLitch
Honestly the US education system for the most part is pretty good, fairly on par with the rest of the developed world, the inner city and 1/
LitchLitch
rural schools suck and churn out violent halfwits but thats mostly a money issue. They dont have the property tax base of the suburbs. 2/2
Rip901
They did think critically, the legislators are getting paid a ton of money for this, and they snuck it in last minute to an unrelated bill
NotWelcomehere
It's the largest source of energy here atm...I'm genuinely not surprised.
Tjitso
Jesus fucking christ we are all gonna die
horseman05
If you can't win change the rules.
KillerTofu69
To avoid doing anything at all, change the rules
reineseele
EU also did it on nuclear energy cause it is so clean...
smorsdoeuvres
Time to make the definition more specific.
necessity
Worked like a charm with gerrymandering. If there's only upsides to fighting dirty and no accountability then why would they stop?
Imalwaysready
They understand that better than anyone else.
GBMaker
Right? Wyoming has a bill pending that will outlaw EVs in 2035.
MDLM81
They don't have the buying power to influence anything. This would be meaningless.
BritishPinkiePie
We should ban electricity because it’s affecting the whale oil Industry
GBMaker
https://www.wane.com/automotive/internet-brands/wyoming-bill-calls-for-ban-on-ev-sales-by-2035/
Drakesfear
I read that, the bill don't really ban anything. It's asks the people to stop buying and lots to stop selling. Still dumb though
Smidge204
That is pure political theater and I don't think anyone expects it to pass. Still dumb though.
Imalwaysready
Meh. Until it goes to a vote, it's just one of hundreds of proposed bills. And there are ALWAYS "shock" junk bills proposed for headlines. >
Imalwaysready
I'm in Texas and in something like the first 10 days of the new legislative session, 1,635 bills were proposed and filed. So we have a bill>
Imalwaysready
"pending" that will do literally anything you can think of. But in reality, only like 30 of those will ever get out of committee for a vote.
harrison100012
Our future does indeed look bleak ."After the fall planet earth will rise again without it's idiot spawn"
afambelafonte
It has natural right in the name. It's homeopathic gas.
lorilith
cage free, in fact to collect it, you have to free it
SolHSA
Well... NASA achieved y2k compliance for mission critical systems by redefining "mission critical".
elBirdnose
And Wyoming is trying to ban electric cars by 2035 because Republicans are absolute morons. Nothing makes sense any more.
Canofminus
Remember, the GOP loves corporate socialism & controlled markets when it protects their donors.
hoopsnek
The Orwellian destruction of language
moreyrad
A very ungood thing to see
becauseurwrong
It's what they do. Confuse or twist positive words & definitions to conquer public discourse. Like make woke a bad word & redefine CRT.
notacobra
And exactly like Orwell, people like me are punished for trying to break the system while others just complain without ever acting.
gypsyspot
out of curiosity, how are you trying to break the system ? and how are you being punished ?
Frederf
Watch them destroy entitlements after successfully rebranding entitled as a pejorative.
morelikeconsham
I've been thinking about this a lot, actually. Kinda disgusting how they took that word.
hoopsnek
Speaking of Orwell: /gallery/npvuE4I
ButterfaceTaintClown
ButterfaceTaintClown
despite the Jim Crow laws and despite gerrymandering. Even criminalising cannabis smokers (who they mistakenly thought were more inclined (2
ButterfaceTaintClown
to vote democrat) didn't solve fascism's problem with democracy. America will either see democracy win and a stronger, finer republic (3
ButterfaceTaintClown
emerge, or democracy will be violently overthrown. my money is tentatively on democracy winning. it will win sooner if the GOP (4
pr3viso
War is Peace
YouWillNeverFindMe
The only non-renewable, green energy we make today is nuclear, green energy = no mentionable pollution...
HappyTimeHollis
You've forgotten all the massive damage to the environment that comes from the uranium mining though. Nuclear = the last desperate bid
HappyTimeHollis
for control from the mining companies destroying our countries for profit.
GiantAssfro
Including construction costs and mining, nuclear still has less GHG pollution than anything but wind. Waste is obviously a huge problem
lysani
Unless it's changed, when the blades on turbines are worn out they literally just bury them.
GiantAssfro
For wind? Landfilling sucks, but entropy is a bitch regardless of the generation source
GiantAssfro
As is waste water which is super heated and terrible for local waterways. But still overall wayyy better than fossil fuels
WillLickNudibranchsForBUzz
Carbon footprint from production still counts. Can't make cement with electric power. Needs coal or gas for that. But yes, you are right.
YouWillNeverFindMe
True, but then we technically produce no green energy
WillLickNudibranchsForBUzz
Sad, but true. Agent Smith from "The Matrix" were right. We humans are a parasite, a virus that only destroys, never contributes.
PenguinPlans
Not true. List any creature that produces more memes or halftime ads.
WillLickNudibranchsForBUzz
Ok, besides those, then...
NotTheDevilYouKnow
Hate to break it to you but even nuclear has waste. Granted we have sites for the waste that'll last us hundreds of years
lysani
New reactor designs are able to use old waste as fuel, which means far less waste compared to older designs.
baldbear
Thousands, my dude, many thousands. Which means, no we don't have any.
NotTheDevilYouKnow
It's that big? Admittedly I skimmed the article I saw years ago about it.
baldbear
Yes it is. Many leftovers decay to harmless within manageable timeframes, but the "heavy waste" like plutonium, need millenia. Or longer.
lordinho
Except for radioactive waste…
JohnnyLawlessEsq
You do know fossil fuels have waste, right? Like way, way, way more waste?
YouWillNeverFindMe
They can burn everything now, so there doesn't need to be any waste at all. Also, thorium reactors are being built in China (no meltdown).
FnordGallop
One Neat Trick Nuclear Engineers Hate: fuel can't melt down if it's already a liquid.
LitchLitch
Just to be clear, you are suggesting a radioactive BLEVE is better than a meltdown?
FnordGallop
I'm suggesting that a moderator that reduces its efficacy as a moderator proportionately with temperature, along with a medium with an
FnordGallop
(I know they're not running the thorium MSR cycle in China, I just liked the joke)
YouWillNeverFindMe
Oh it's not MSR? Really the only one I've read about, don't tell me they use water directly?
LitchLitch
Fusion reactors "are being built", until it is power at market rates it is vaporware
YouWillNeverFindMe
They've built one test reactor that delivers to the market, and they're building several larger ones, might have completed them for all I kn
DocBenny
which is a complete non-issue compared to gas exhaust fumes. shit's even less radioactive than what comes out of coal powerplants.
iusedtodream
It is very much an issue. It's another problem we haven't bothered to solve. And nuclear in its present form is not an option everywhere.
iusedtodream
Don't build on fault lines. Don't build near volcanoes. And what happens to the rest of that waste? Storage is only temporary.
Mr21782Man
Its a solved problem. There's a reason Europe doesn't have a nuclear waste problem, they reuse 90%+ of their spent fuel.
DarkZalgo
You watch too much TV dude. It's not a significant problem and it already has a solution anyway.
DarkZalgo
Radioactive waste is a misnomer. The correct term is spent fuel, since it's not waste, it's re-usable. And we make so little that can't be
DarkZalgo
Used that it doesn't matter. Especially in comparison to waste from other energy production.
Onda6g
They'll find a use for it I'm sure. Maybe huge bullets or something...
DarkZalgo
The unusable waste is shit like irradiated clothing or tools. So not really.
FnordGallop
especially compared to the primary source of radioactive environmental contamination: burning coal.
vizeroy42
Hmm... tell that to the thousands of tonnes, resting here in Europe without a final destination and no use whatsoever for anything...
vizeroy42
Exceot being radioactive for a few million years inside of containers, ddesigned for 100 at best
DarkZalgo
Most of which can be recycled. And still isn't much compared to the hundreds of thousands of tons made annually by coal. Which is
Einbrecher
Nuclear is clean so long as you ignore all the concrete necessary for the plants and waste storage and the environmental disaster of mining/
Frederf
Greenis relative, don't fall into binary thinking.
GiantAssfro
That's true for anything. Per Mw/Hr nuclear has less (all told, construction, mining, etc.) GHGs than anything but wind.
GiantAssfro
Solar and wind should still be the future, but nuclear is an immediate option to build out base load generation to support renewables
Tokreal
Considering that each nuclear power plant in best case scenarios takes 10 years to build (realistically more like 15-20) they are nowhere
Tokreal
immediate options
Svartlebee
Solar is green if you ignore the rare earth mining.
ProjectorGames
What REEs are in Solar? It's almost entirely silicon and iron with a little copper.
Einbrecher
fuel. It is the *most* environmentally friendly non-renewable option we have, but it is not environmentally friendly.
DulothX
The most environmentally friendly options are nuclear and hydro. Everything else lags far behind.
justfillingthespace
Wind and solar are nice supplements, but they (to my knowledge) don't have the ability to handle the per-second demand changes in the grid.
DulothX
Wind isn't -too- bad, aside from its impact on wildlife once you hit the scale needed to supply reasonable amounts of power. Solar is(1)
justfillingthespace
It would be much more environmentally friendly if we used Thorium, but we use Uranium because it can double as a weapon.
Hangonthere
Physicist here. No. Sry.
justfillingthespace
You'll have to forgive me for not believing such brevity. Furthermore, what type? Nuclear? Astro? Hydro? Bio? Thermodynamics? Give me more.
LitchLitch
That's the claim, prove it in production.
justfillingthespace
There already *are* Thorium reactors, with plans to expand because it's already proven to be better.