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damnallusernamesaretaken
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Update:
Watch this one as well:
http://imgur.com/gallery/9mm3fmY
Shrimpsman
Democracy did not work in the Weimar republic at all, it was a first attempt and still had some big difficulties inside its core.
mynamesbryson
Well...good thing the United States isn't a democracy. Also, Hitler was never elected.
rubbarz
All these questions can be answered by someone of normal wisdom.
irontom
That's why the Yanks have the 2nd amendment.
Xecryo
Damn. This isn't anything I didn't already know. But damn the way the guy talks about it is heavy.
butterfingerist
Jews were already in Europe, and they weren't demanding anything or violent
LOlMyNameIs
I really want to punch the guy in the face
DirtyDancingCursingBackmaskingBacksliddenPastorsKid
All of his videos that he makes basically say "fuck white people" more or less. He is very politically motivated
iAmNotArobotUsually
As they say, pure democracy (i.e. mob rule) is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner.
FrostytheSnowcolt
Oh, look. More "Trump is Hilter" bullshit. Fuck off.
DirtyDancingCursingBackmaskingBacksliddenPastorsKid
The guy who makes this video is a huge fucking POS if you watch his other trash videos. His videos are politically motivated for the left.
Cereaza
Sorry, but I cannot take a reporter seriously who looks like that. Does he had a tear drop tattoo on his face?
JohnPetersYKnowTheFarmer
He has a scar on his face... you might want to watch one of his other videos about not judging people based on their looks.
Cereaza
I was judging him based on his looks, questions, stance, and demeanor.
Cereaza
But I subscribe to the school of, how people choose to present themselves says a lot about them.
Insomnia297
The Holocaust has happened many times over already. Hell, people don't even remember the holocaust properly. They remember six million 1/2
Insomnia297
2/2 Jews, but forget completely forget that jews only made up half the body count of the camps.
ProfessorDumbass
Everybody wants to save the women and children....
oumajgad
Except their husbands, brothers and fathers. Most of "refugees" are male.
schattenwesen
Source
DirtyDancingCursingBackmaskingBacksliddenPastorsKid
This dude makes politically charged videos, don't watch anything he does.
kgbofficer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFT0DUwu-NE
PervertedWizard
SilentObserver01
"But that's none of my business."
IHateReversePsychology
Trump drinks water too!!! Coincidence? I think NOT!
cesarnero
PeopleReportEvenIfTheyreMarkedMature
Why is there no sauce!
LieutenantKifKroker
Can we get a video source on this?
boopmonger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nBVNazopgo
yveris
https://youtu.be/UFT0DUwu-NE source without neckbeard trumpkin commentary
Blarghglarghhh
Thank you for linking the original version! That was annoyingly hard to find, lol.
DirtyDancingCursingBackmaskingBacksliddenPastorsKid
The dude who makes this video makes other videos about how white people are a problem, he is a piece of shit
boopmonger
"They have a different opinion than I. They must be a trump supporter"- Yveris
DirtyDancingCursingBackmaskingBacksliddenPastorsKid
Essentially, the guy who makes these videos is extremely racist
likifucrieverytim
Hitler won cause the people were fed up of the allied powers fucking them over for a war in which they weren't responsible.
xabobrien
All respect to the survivor, but this interviewer is just asking obvious questions and acting as though the answers reveal something new
Acornlad
Yeah the interviewer is known for doing stuff like this.
GallifreyToTrenzalore
Experience speaking to inexperience. Probably a young audience. The kid isn't Larry King, nor can that level of insight be expected of him.
Dayrest
True, but they're questions that aren't so obvious to a surprising amount of people.
jonwithoutanh
If fellow citizens in his generation haven't thought about these answers, they are new. Every generation needs the lesson to be taught.
dogestyle
I wonder how it'll play out when the last holocaust survivor dies.
Mackeroy
that actually did happen quite recently
Mackeroy
nvm, i was incorrect
DrippySpaffMungeBimp
I think the interviewer is just repeating shit people in general are saying.
TheKaytar
Dont know why you are being downvoted but I see its just him reading out statements that are always said.
skorve
It's less of an interview and more of illuminating the opinions of someone who's been through the Holocaust.
StoChastic84
It's not new, that is kinda the point. History repeats itself, yet many are blind to see it.
Br0doSwaggins
"Nothing like the Holocaust will ever happen again." Uhh... paging Bosnia...
cesarnero
Well yeah not all dickbags of the earth speak German.
watsisface1
Or Lebanon
PlantainSuperNova
According to imgur the bosnian genocide doesnt count because most of the victims were muslim. I get downvoted to shit when i point it out
00Pandanuggetz00
You ever been in the shit? My dad was in Bosnia, man.
watsisface1
Or Laos...
YourInfoIsCrapImgur
I'm an immigrant from apartheid South Africa. My best friend was rescued from the killing fields of Bosnia. Both of us were nearly killed...
YourInfoIsCrapImgur
...for different reasons. She is Muslim. I am white English descended South African. We were both persecuted for the ills of our ancestors.
YourInfoIsCrapImgur
I grew up in a very tolerant free thinking household. My father is Sotho and my mother French speaking. Being white made us targets.
YourInfoIsCrapImgur
Political polarisation can descend into murderous violence under the most "normalised" circumstances. Treat everyone with respect Imgur.
damnallusernamesaretaken
+1 all the way up
Nornqueenyurei
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/LIE/BOSNIA_PHOTO/bosnia.html your link is to a faked photograph, Swaggins
KashCf
I live next to a Bosnian family I'll ask them about this.
damnallusernamesaretaken
I had a friend who was sent to Bosnia as a peace-keeping soldier. He talked about this long before any news did.
JohnnyPeaches
Or Rwanda...
WonderfulMuscles
1,000,000 people in 90 days if I recall...
Jicks
Or North Korea...
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engineergeek
USSR
engineergeek
USSR, Stalin killed way more than Hitler
RandomPenisInComments
Basically, humans suck
JudgeMentalCat
"If fascism could have been defeated in debate, I assure you it would have never happened"- Franz Frison, Holocaust survivor
SonicBoomYourFamily
Interesting interview, but man, the interviewer has a punchable face and his dipshit look distracts from the points he is trying to make.
OneMoreRide
I thought I was alone with that thought. Glad to see your comment. Seems like an annoying little dick. And don't even know why..
TheGenuineArticle
"I see people who, the moment they had power - used it." *other guy smirks*
swaggersaurus
He is a douchebag SJW. Most of his content is cringe worthy and misleading.
TheElusiveEnchilada
TIL democracy made Hitler come.
STR4NGERdanger
The problem with a post-modern mindset is that it often feels obligated to be critical, but it rarely feels obligated to offer solutions.
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STR4NGERdanger
I absolutely agree, but I believe that a solution should be the goal not awareness. Knowledge is useless without action.
SIC77
Preach it dude
STR4NGERdanger
Dipityseren
Fuck off I might not know what needs to be done, but I sure as shit know fuckery when I see it. "Injustice should not be met with silence."'
STR4NGERdanger
I don't mean for people to be silent, only to not be critical for the sake of being critical.
B4DF15H2
I would upvote this a thousand times. We can perceive all the problems, but no solution horizon. Enter epiphany.
STR4NGERdanger
I wish by saying 'Enter epiphany' people would have one. It would make everything much easier!
B4DF15H2
I guess with age you get the wisdom to slow down the need for absolute course correction instantly.
ChloePrice
In a world where so many people deny so much cruelty, danger, & hatred, we first need to unify and acknowledge problems exist, unfortunately
ghostfox69
also most will never join, some will oppose, but many will follow. Time comes, you go with what you got and do what you can. 2/2
STR4NGERdanger
You're right, but the process would be quicker if we attempted to work on solutions at the same time as the awareness you refer to.
ghostfox69
I am not sure what you mean by unify. In my experience, doing something now could go either way but bad things happen while you wait. 1/2
Aymbaut
Like, how many layers of irony are you on, my dude
moxymox
I'm curious if anyone sees the meta here.
UnNedStark
That this comment about post-modernism's lack of solutions doesn't itself offer a solution? I saw it. Loved it. So meta and post-modern
STR4NGERdanger
The solution I hoped to get across, in 140 characters, is that if a person is going to be critical they should also provide a solution.
UnNedStark
Fair point -- I wasn't criticizing. Just commenting on the meta-Ness of it all
STR4NGERdanger
Seems like they do.
STR4NGERdanger
I don't see it myself however. My solution is that if a person is going to be critical they must also provide solutions.
moxymox
Every criticism has an implied solution: "That should be fixed." Your solution, "Find a solution," is on par with what's implied.
STR4NGERdanger
I disagree but I see your point. I don't believe criticism implies solutions, only the need for them. In this case 'finding a solution' can
nylok
I disagree, would have applied if the sentence ended at critical. The solution is p-modernism to start offering solutions.
moxymox
Yes, "find a solution" is technically a solution.
howaboutthisonethen
I feel like it was intentional, and actually a joke, no?
moxymox
Well, according the guy who wrote it, no.
hitshappens
The solution is that post-modernists should offer solutions when they are critical. It's pretty clear.
TrijezniMujo
YOU ARE DOING THE EXACT THING YOU COMPLAINED ABOUT, RIGHT IN THIS POST.
STR4NGERdanger
I didn't see it that way. I was hoping that those people who are critical would also present solutions.
JuniorBobsled
Except they didn't? They implied that they should be critical while offering a solution.
TrijezniMujo
And he didn't offer a solution
EpicPancakes
The solution would be to do what he said to do. It's not like he can make people offer solutions.
STR4NGERdanger
Thanks for the assist!
CometArcher
When did Carlos the scientist get his own show?
CinereousVulture
It's Neat
ZOMGod42
I scrolled way down here just to see if anybody else recognized him. Thank you.
boopmonger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nBVNazopgo
ReikoHanabara
Thank you kind stranger of imgur
ButtSlug
thanks for the casual racism :)
MurdocTheGreat
Thank you
gingen
Thank you.
UnpairedSock
For anyone trying to find the original source, this isn't it. But it's still a thought-provoking video to watch.
EndofAnEmpire
I might be a bit sensitive but the guy doing commentary seems a bit dickish.
Aymbaut
He is. That's part of the appeal.
thezoolityre
No you are not at all. The snobby ones are usually the most outspoken because they always feel right...about everythin...that's why the vid
thezoolityre
is called "Debunking Bullshit" not "A talk with a Holocaust survivor about their idea of Demacracy" that sounds more like a conversation
TheEponge
Democracy don't always work that well because people will take decisions without judgment. But it's the least worst system tho
oumajgad
It's shit system. Most people are either stupid or uneducated which means they are easily manipulated. I think the rest is pretty obvious.
oumajgad
It's shit system. Most people are either stupid or uneducated which means they are easily manipulated. I think the rest is pretty obvious.
HOWDOITURNMYCAPSLOCKOFF
Well what system should we use then?
oumajgad
I've always been a fan of technocracy. Obviously with current mindset of humanity as a whole it is impossible to pull off.
Aedrabani
Feudalism! Let the nobles send us to die by droves while we swear undying loyalty to their eternity. Born a farmer, die a farmer.
oumajgad
I've always been a fan of technocracy. Obviously with current mindset of humanity as a whole it is impossible to pull off.
Grannybasher3000
The difference between a Holocaust then and a possible one now is how quickly news would spread via electronic media [1/2]
Grannybasher3000
During WW2 the news of the camps wasn't common knowledge as we only had radio, papers and cinema for news which limited it's reporting.
mechanicalchaos
Which is why you see a lot of power plays to control the news or media in many countries now. Not a new idea, but all the more important.
hgoadihgsaogh
This is a common misconception but not at all true. You can't hide something with that much logistics and manpower behind it.
UnforgottenOne
Agreed, the command in the allied powers and those living in the occupied countries knew full well of it.
hgoadihgsaogh
Also it was one of the Reich's primary objectives for the war. Eastern Europe could only be lebensraum once you killed off the people there.
UnforgottenOne
Another thing to add was that anti-Semitism was rampant outside of Germany in countries like Romania and Axis-aligned countries.
Panda4hire
Socrates' problem with Democracy is the inevitable rise of the Democratically Elected Demagog.
Fightfrog
As seen in Turkey
Maximilionaire
He wanted philosopher-kings. The omni-benevolent dictator, but realized this was impossible.
Pullout69
Too bad he didn't live to see Marcus Aurelius.
johnvictor
I will lead you and you will be happy. If not, I have ways to make you happy.
bobziIIa
Didn't they have a semi randomized process? Random candidates for certain positions or something?
ChallengerDeep
This is why you have decentralized power, separation of powers at the core, and strong institutions. Courts, Congress or President 1/2
ChallengerDeep
overreaching their power is great as long as they're doing what you like on civil rights or the environment. It can also go the other way.
xKaraKx
Tyranny of the majority
FridayNightRamen
I thought that Aristoteles said that. But after all his problem was not the participation of the people. It was the lack of guarding
FridayNightRamen
the minorities.
phobes
One of the primary reasons the US has the Electoral College. We're also a union of independent states, not a unitary state, so →
phobes
direct democracy is not compatible as it would give the majority more voting power than the states themselves.
poilk91
basically the reasons are obsolete people don't consider themselves citizens of their states before the US and there are no favorite sons
phobes
The reasons are just as valid and necessary today as they were in the past. Here's a brilliant explanation that's more than 140 characters →
NotTheSharpestSpoonInTheDrawer
Wouldn't that require the Electoral College to take a stand against the demagogue, and have now shown it has no function?
OkNowKith
This is very true. The multiple layers of protection and equity are pushed to the side for party politics...
phobes
The electoral college doesn't "take a stand", that's not its purpose. It doesn't exist to judge the candidates, it exists to give each →
phobes
state a (relatively) equal say in elections, not just the densely populated ones.
shankycat
okay, but it's "demagogue"
Pullout69
Demigod
Pedanticjerk
Demogorgon
SheTurnedMeIntoANewtButIGotBetter
Have you seen Barbara ? Do you know where she is ?
Insomnia297
GONE
indramonmon
Brendadurk Cumplerscorch
Takinova
demilovato
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iZMXi
Mr. Robot
Insomnia297
I, Robot
KingZullu
poilk91
his solution: keep the uneducated from voting. We have all seen what happens when you have polling tests
parkanov
only my dynasty is educated
farmboy400
I believe that his solution was the formation of a Timocracy and abandonment of democracy altogether.
phobes
I believe Socrates' argument against democracy was his correct assertion that the uninformed would make up the majority, as is true today, →
phobes
and out of ignorance that majority would inevitably elect a tyrannous leader.
Tyrael918
which is exactly why Democracy is the rule of the poor. It was pointed out that Democracy could be the best of the worst...
Tyrael918
but the ignorance would lead to something not in the best interest of the people proper.
poilk91
not specifically uninformed but people who were not learned in philosophy and therefore not critical thinkers but you got the gist of it
phobes
I do, and the unfortunate thing is that he was correct. People who are not well educated on a subject should not involve themselves in it. →
poilk91
this elitist idea that people you deem unfit shouldn't be voting is disgusting. Not everyone has the liberty of meeting your arbitrary→
phobes
Mike Rowe had a fantastic response to one of his fans asking him to encourage people to vote, here's a link if you're interested →
poilk91
this elitist idea that people you deem unfit shouldn't be voting is disgusting. Not everyone has the liberty of meeting your arbitrary→
Panda4hire
well, I don't agree with that, I think we need to focus on re-invigorating our education system.
poilk91
that's always good. Restricting the vote, I think, is always bad. Everyone deserves a voice in how their nation is run
Panda4hire
Precisely, if anything we need to regulate campaigning not voting.
Panda4hire
Precisely, if anything we need to regulate campaigning not voting.
poilk91
we can probably all agree to that. Campaign finance reform please!
Tylvian
i think not, not everyone. You need to be proven responsible enough to vote. we have no morals on who votes but we should.
NotFarEnough
But who gets to deem what 'responsible enough' is? I think any sort of restriction is a pretty slippery slope
Panda4hire
Precisely, if anything we need to regulate campaigning not voting.
Insomnia297
I disagree. The opinions of the unqualified mean nothing and the opinions of traitors are poisonous.
DrCreepyCannibal
Voters licence, like a drivers license
anvilon
FYI: Hitler wasn't elected, he was appointed to Chancellor and migrated to Dictator. The people didn't vote to put him in charge.
DontTazeMeBrah
German referendum, 1934 says otherwise
b4kus
I hope this is not another 'they were nazis, not germans'. I'm all for forgiveness but the fact stands - Hitler was extremely popular.
ArandomDane
Just like Denmark doesn't elect their MP, but a party which elects who leaders them.... You going to claim we ain't electing our leaders?
Dispari
Good thing we have a system that doesn't appoint people based on weird rules and instead follows what people vote for.
fencerman
I think the recent election shows that you don't need to win the most votes to take over power anyways.
wotemer
some actually voted for his party, though it only got majority in coalition with several other rightest Wing parties
dogfrost9
Ah yes, the rightest of wings.
Sussid
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11612989-the-dictator-s-handbook
PhilbertPhrog
He marched with guns and assassins and seized power.
GoIIum
That's like saying Trump wasn't elected -- not wrong but misleading. Both got power according to the rules of a democratic constitution.
ILaughUntilICry
I was just thinking about this. Before he was a cruel dictator he essentially saved Germany. Made me wonder if he was elected or appointed.
fencerman
And Trump got fewer votes than Hillary did, and yet here we are.
damnallusernamesaretaken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60_s6-nNVVI
ineedausernamerightmeow
why is a youtube link being downvoted??
whyistheusernamealwaysgone
Because Imgur likes sources...but only if it goes along with what they agree with
WarWereDeclared
Correct. It was actually Jar Jar's fault.
TheFunkyCodingMonkey
He was supposed to be tamed as Chancellor... Not such a great plan and Hitler had other ideas
Catmandoom
So was Hitler "the Senate"?
anvilon
Yeah... things don't always turn out the way you plan. At least none of my plans (to date) have resulted in millions of dead people. :P
diabLoDesignz
Dont stop trying my friend.
WeHaveZeppelins
1/2 during the 1933 elections a total of 12 parties were vying for control of Germany including the national socialists they ended up
WeHaveZeppelins
2/2 winning 44 percent of the votes which was the majority in conclusion yes he was technically elected
baconsmellsreallygood
Was also same year Riechstag was firrbombed and Hitler convinced Hindenburg to outlaw the communist party IIRC
Steelcan
he was the leader of the party that received the majority of votes for seats in the Reichstag
ArandomDane
His party didn't. However, they where able to gather a coalition of other parties that agreed on governing together with him as Chancellor.
Steelcan
No, he was appointed Chancellor directly by Hindenburg since the Nazis had the largest plurality
ArandomDane
(1/2)He took over for Schleicher who took over for von Papen who took over from Brüning. All of which where un-elected chancellors. Thus
ArandomDane
(2/2) their power very limited. HOWEVER in 1933, Hitler was elected chancellor with the Nazi Party/DNVP coalition. All democratic like.
MCREDACTED
God dammit Hindenburg
SteelKnight
You know chancellor is an elected position right?
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
Or appointed. Back then.
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
Or appointed. Back then.
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
He was appointed chancellor because his party came out the last election with more votes than any other. Formed a coalition - almost 50%
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DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
Nope, the communists were banned after the election.
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DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
...which happened almost a month AFTER the election. German history student here, BTW.
VodkaReindeer
He was the face of the party that was elected.
LOlivingVE
His party had less than two percent of votes when he was appointed
ArandomDane
(1/2)That does not matter. They where able to gather a coalition of other parties that agreed on governing together with him as Chancellor.
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
Around 33%, actually
ArandomDane
(2/2)It was fairly sure that Hitler would be Chancellor if the right wing got enough votes as he was seen as an easily controlled figurehead
ArandomDane
fairly certain* not sure...
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
Around 33%, actually
baconsmellsreallygood
Funny bc he initially was sent by German govt to spy on Nazis
edgareplekjekk
People downvote because they don't read history :(
edgareplekjekk
People downvote because they don't read history :(
baconsmellsreallygood
To be fair Nazis didnt exist yet. It was German Workers' Party, but that party did evolve to NSDAP or Nazis
SweetStache
False, he was elected. Then declared a state of emergency after the burning of the Reichstag building, then merged the offices of
aggie0642
He was not directly elected. The Nazi party won a plurality of seats in the Reichstag (almost 40%) and Hindenburg appointed him chancellor.
StubbornViking
So he was elected by his party who was elected into the majority. He was still elected by the majority. He didn't steal his spot.
aggie0642
I didn't say that he did ... people are just getting confused about the word elected. It was a parliamentary system, so he was elected in
JollyBloke
After cleverly shutting down political parties such as the communists. He got elected because he made sure to not give his opponents a voice
StubbornViking
Still elected by the people. Just because the system is manipulatable doesn't mean he wasn't nominated by the people.
StubbornViking
Still elected by the people. Just because the system is manipulatable doesn't mean he wasn't nominated by the people.
SweetStache
Exactly. He was democratically elected and then he shut down any chance of being voted out.
StubbornViking
Still elected by the people. Just because the system is manipulatable doesn't mean he wasn't nominated by the people.
SweetStache
Chancellor and president to give himself control of the army. Don't spread misinformation.
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SweetStache
I'm a history major and literally just took a class on this last semester. Maybe you should read a book sometime.
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StubbornViking
But he was elected indirectly by the people. They put Hitler's party into a system in which they could elect him. He was still elected in.
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idlefix
German here, we spend 3 years in high school history classes just talking about Hitler and I can tell you with confidence that 1/2
idlefix
almost half of the German population voted for his party which had the obvious consequences of making him chancellor. 2/3
idlefix
He then used a fire in the Reichstag as a pretense to pass laws that effectively gave him the power of a dictator 3/4
tornbetweenscyllaandcovfefe
Did they ever use the term "legal dictator" in school? It's something they taught in England, I'm curious if your education did the same.
idlefix
In conclusion the German people DID choose to make him head of the government. He then abused his position to gain the power of a dictator
tornbetweenscyllaandcovfefe
Did they ever use the term "legal dictator" in school? It's something they taught in England, I'm curious if your education did the same.
vocalminority
His party rose to power through democratic means and political methods. The point stands.
Irreal
Beating up political opponents is not really "democratic means"
vocalminority
I'm not saying it was pretty, or good. I'm saying they used the system.
baconsmellsreallygood
Also before a depression hit they could barely get any votes. Ppl saw them as extremists and thugs (2)
fauxnews
The Weimar Republic was crippled by the first world war and the working classes (incited by the conservative wealthy) blamed it on the repub
gtmiller
There are a lot of important nuances, of which many are foreign involvement. WW1 never ended.
promnitedumpsterbaby
Germany was destroyed financially the Accords after World War 1 people with disenfranchised and they turn to him
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
That's arguable, he had popularity with people, but even at its height only 10% of the people were part of the nazi party
vocalminority
You're arguing details, but as I said it still happened via a democracy
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
The Nazis closed the party for several years. Didn't take newbies for quite some time...
baconsmellsreallygood
Nazis burned the Reichstag and blamed it on the communists. They outlawed the opposing party to gain more power (1)
jayxero
This sounds eerily ominous.
RenegadeTQ
Isn't that just theory...not proven?
aggie0642
I don't remember the exact sources historians have on that account, but it is believed by an overwhelming majority of historians.
RenegadeTQ
Nowhere do I see there's anything close to a consensus on that. Kershaw states that most hisyorians believe the communist Van Der Lubbe /1
RenegadeTQ
the Communists were responsible...just a lone wolf. 3/3
RenegadeTQ
acted alone in burning the Reichstag and the Nazis just used it to more broadly cause the Coomunist Party; meaning neither the Nazis nor /2
aegis27
The point stands. They rose to power in a democracy. Shady shit aside, democracy failed there.
MoonStruckFool
They abused the gaps and holes in a shaky constitution, at a terrible time for the country. It's not a "failing of democracy". Just history.