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Rough day
Just got booted to the couch after getting hit and screamed at by my wife. The reason? I had just gotten done tidying up the house and doing laundry and dishes earlier in the day. Came home from work and it was undone. When I said something she turned it on me and made it my fault. We've been married almost a year and we fight non-stop. Currently live in a town with no friends so I basically just work all the time and game when I can. I do 80% of the housework and work 45-55 hours a week at my job since she's in school full time. I've put off my education for our marriage, if I graduate I'll be in my 30s. Ive tried talking about the distribution of chores and other things but it always ends up with me being the bad guy. I've slowly come to realize she is a child and we are horrible for each other and would be better off with other people. However our religion won't let us get a divorce (not to mention backlash from friends and family) and I don't really have any friends to confide in, so here I am with you guys. All my friends live in different states and I have no one, I spend all my time with myself. Feeling trapped and terribly alone. I know I'm not perfect or innocent, I could just use a friend right now. TL;DR life sucks at the moment. Down vote if you like, I couldn't care less.
Edit: Thank you everybody for your encouraging (or not so encouraging) words. Simple human contact means so much right now, probably more than you realize. I'd like To answer a few common questions.
1. I am a non-denominational Christian, have been my whole life. I would probably be considered "devout."
2. When I said my religion wouldn't let me get a divorce, it would have been more accurate to say that my convictions wouldn't allow me. I said the vows, what kind of man goes back on his word? Agree with that or not, it's my belief.
3. I love my wife. I realize things can get better, and I will be looking into counseling options as well as some self-searching for things that may need to be changed in myself.
4. You guys are awesome and are so uplifting. I feel so much better just getting that off my chest. Peace out.
Proteus1985
Talk to a counselor. It sounds like she might have Borderline Personality Disorder. It's rough, but treatable
ChameleonFacedGoon
we need a sob story tag
poopofdestiny
If your family and friends aren't supporting you, then it's really your call on getting a divorce. If she's hitting you, that's assault.
QueenOfSooragnak
Remember it is not all you fault, no matter what she is trying to tell you. If still feeling lonely and want a chat, send a message!
cocopebbles
Thank you. That's hard to remember sometimes.
CorelDartagnan
Seems like the perfect opportunity to pick up pokemon go. Catch some pokemon and makes friends at the same time. Maybe look for local meetup
ghostanom
Pokemon GO or Pokemon GEDTHEFUCKOUTTATHERE
DrewF650GS
cut your losses and move on friend.
needvacationfromlife
Just dont have kids, it will get worse. Sorry op.
needvacationfromlife
And that's a terrible life to live if you have to worry about what your family and friends will say or behave. Life is too shortto be misera
needvacationfromlife
Short to be miserable* marriage counseling perhaps?
SirGigglyBits
Are you saying not to have kids in general?
needvacationfromlife
No, just don't have them in a relationship that's already strained. Plus it sounds like he already has one, his wife.
elninjapenguin
I was just about to say this.
Ironhulk
Same situation. Vent if you need to friend. Don't listen to anyone but yourself.
unavailableyourcallcantgothruasdialed
Dude can you guys tell my little brother about it because he's in one too :(
derpysaurusrexus
Also it sounds like she might be abusive. And that is a lot, lot worse than divorce and its possible backlash from friends/family.
derpysaurusrexus
Surely they'd rather you be happy and not in an abusive relationship?
w0ntoan
Seek council with your religious leader. I'm certain that your religion is against physical abuse.
wokeuplikedis
Unless OP is muslim, in which case its actually encouraged (im dead serious, this is a fact thats googleable)
lisp
counsel
lisp
and yes set a phone on a shelf recording next time
lisp
ahead of time, of course. Prophylactically.
Zoodpy
As someone who got a dog and didn't get married, best choice I ever made.
Squossifrage
Catholic? You can't get a divorce (in the eyes of the Church), but physical abuse might get you an annulment.
adangquesadilla
If she had hidden deep seated abusive tendencies at the time of marraige, yes that could be grounds for annulment.
neddyhill
Arranged marriage? It can't be impossible (religion-wise) to divorce. If it is, is your religion really THAT important to you...?
hsimah
Religion, what a winner.
HexCroww
I'd go for the divorce. Afterwards continue your religion, get a dog, a nice place, and have a happy life. Maybe even meet someone better!
HexCroww
Whatever you choose to do, good luck though.
anon311919
I get religious beliefs, but you said she hit you but didn't elaborate so hard to say, but if you're in danger then your god will understand
TetraCyberCat
Women are not typically a DANGER to men, but being hit by an S.O. is always unacceptable.
PurplePixieUK
Maybe not typically, but violence is NEVER ok.
TetraCyberCat
My gist. *fistbump*
PurplePixieUK
No idea why you're being downvoted here, I'm with ya. *fistbump*
TetraCyberCat
I guess people on imgur think men and women are statistically equally dangerous???
enzio64
Actually they are a danger. Statistically, while men hit and cause broken bones, women tend to kill when they get abusive.
TetraCyberCat
Take a moment with this table. Male on male dangerous violence is high because two men are involved. Women on women is low.
TetraCyberCat
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/
TetraCyberCat
expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
Grenther
I don't mean to be the SJW, but women are in fact almost as bad as men, it just mostly is unreported or not processed. (1/2)
Grenther
Due to shame, not being taken seriously, it's not manly all that stuff. (2/2)
TetraCyberCat
Women will strike out against their partner as much as men, but it's much more rare to escelate to dangerous violence.
Grenther
I don't know any numbers about that. But I don't actually think it's that much different from the normal violence in % men/women
raidleadergutts
That is a retarded and dangerous opinion to give. Women aren't made out of paper-mache, and they can easily use something as a weapon.
TetraCyberCat
I mean...you KNOW most murders are committed by men, right? You know most crime and violent assault are by men?
wookieeinatardis
I feel ya bud. Find the good that drew you together and see if you can work forward from that. It won't be easy, but it will be worth it.
doctorbees
She hit him. I don't care if there was any good before, it's not safe for him to stay.
wookieeinatardis
People make mistakes and relationships aren't as black and white as people think. I'm not excusing it, but saying that she/they need help.
doctorbees
I can see what you're saying, but personally I have a zero tolerance violence policy.
notasanonymousasimighthope
Physical abuse! Would you seriously recommend that if the victim was a woman?
wookieeinatardis
Yes. The wife is clearly unbalanced if she's screaming and hitting over small things, and who else's job is it to help her than her husband?
notasanonymousasimighthope
Yes. The husband is clearly unbalanced if he's screaming and hitting over small things. and who else's job is to help him than his wife?
wookieeinatardis
You're obviously more vested in this than the average person so I won't try and change your mind. Thanks for sharing your opinion with me!
boobsmcbuttstuff
Sometimes it's just stress. My wife and I had a terrible relationship when I was in school and we both worked full time (plus two kids). 1/2
boobsmcbuttstuff
2/2 5 years later things are less stressful and we couldn't be happier. We're not perfect but our relationship is pretty solid.
J1MMYTH3PSYCH0
Don't get me wrong, I understand religion plays a big part in many people's lives and you want to abide by the rules stated by your religion
J1MMYTH3PSYCH0
Issues with family and friends but I do understand how religion does affect this majorly so if you ever need to vent just drop me a message
J1MMYTH3PSYCH0
However I don't think personally that anyone should be forced to stay with a person they are not compatible with even if it does cause
cocopebbles
Thanks for that understanding. I don't blame my religion for the place I'm in. I should've seen the signs, hindsight is 20/20 ya know?
J1MMYTH3PSYCH0
Yeah hindsight does suck all you can do is stay strong and do what is best for you, no matter what others say. Everyone deserves to be happy
astrogeek
You will probably find that your commitment to religion, if not your actual beliefs, will morph over time.
PurplePixieUK
I worked on a suicide line and had people trapped in marriages calling. If you have kids, this relationship will fuck them up. Divorce, dude
ParanoidWithGoodCause
well the vows you took were until death did you part, so if divorce isn't an option...
codenametrixie
1/2 I'll tell you what I told my sister. If you choose to stay, don't ever let me hear you complain about it again. She's a devout christian
codenametrixie
2/2 She stayed another agonizing 5 years before she got a divorce.
notasanonymousasimighthope
I don't think there is a male on the planet who is/was capable of rational thought the first time a girl let them in her pants.
notasanonymousasimighthope
No contracts made during that time should be held binding.
JollyHollyday
What religion is it? Just out of curiosity.
cocopebbles
Christianity. It would be more accurate to say that my personal convictions keep me from getting a divorce. I know Christians rationalize
cocopebbles
them and I have no place to say some aren't necessary. It's not religion keeping me from getting a divorce. I love my wife. I want this to
cocopebbles
work, it's just really hard sometimes and I finally felt like o had to reach out and just tell somebody.
CaptnRisky
You can think you love her all you want however you said it yourself, you are horrible together. That's not love. Stop making excuses.
finallystoppedlurkingonimgur
If it hasn't been a year yet, you can get it annulled. Much cheaper.
WeatherWeaver
It's just been streamlined too! http://www.catholic.com/blog/jimmy-akin/pope-francis-reforms-annulment-process-9-things-to-know-and-share
LvAllen
No, you really can't.
finallystoppedlurkingonimgur
Why not?
LvAllen
(1) There are certain grounds for a marriage to be annulled, generally because the marriage was of no effect to begin with (bigamy, fraud)
LvAllen
(2) mental illness, that sort of thing. Just because it's been a short while? Not one of the grounds.
Mysterym4n
The first year of marriage is that hardest. Before you decide to divorce, it's worth trying to get marriage counseling.
DJMelloBeatz
I don't know why this is so far down!!! Counseling of any sort is great!! Sounds like the perfect solution or at least attempt.
mottledbear
Needs more upvotes. They probably liked each other before getting married, and might be happy if they could work things out.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Probably important. OP should see what he can do through counseling, but consider that divorce might be inevitable.
wokeuplikedis
Best advice! Also, some of that advice might mean taking some time separately (for your safety), divorce should be the last option
ingelri
Disagreed, his wife was broken to begin with. Throw that shit out on the curb, don't waste your time on a psychopathic harpie.
RedWebster
I can't believe I had to scroll this far to find someone (else) saying "give it a minute."
TheyHunger
She struck OP. Are you claiming she didn't know that was wrong? "I used to beat my spouse, but the doctor person said that was 'bad'. *1
TheyHunger
*2 I mean, who woulda guessed?
Mysterym4n
I'm saying people make mistakes, and rather than dumping the marriage at the first sign of trouble they might be able to fix it and be happy
FluffyPuddles
Marriage is a team sport. Counseling can help you two build a solid playbook.
PainGwen
How many penalties for physical violence before you get kicked out of the game? That should never be OK.
FluffyPuddles
OP admitted to making his mistakes, without confessing the details. I think only one side of the story is not enough to judge.
BangForTheBuck
Life is too short to spend it in misery. Get a divorce. Deal with religion later. Your friends and family will either understand or they 1/2
chrisinsocalif
An annulment would be a better option if eligible. It would void the marriage.
BangForTheBuck
won't. Either way, it's your life and not theirs. 2/2
TheBirthGiver
Get out before you have children! That will make it harder to leave.
PerseusRex
Hey fellow imgur/gamer. Message me anytime bud.
ScrotieMcpostagain
I'm 62 and still married to a woman I don't like. Run. Run away. Do it now. It just gets harder to escape.
myteenyverse
Damn
apostatebarbie
This terrifies me
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
I feel horrible for the man.
Chrisbronk
Fuck. Youre my future.
irishtrouble
Not necessarily. You can change that.
stevetehpirate
I made a break for it 5 months ago, trying to sell the engagement ring, trying to manage broken shit with my family, never been happier.
stevetehpirate
Somehow managed to keep from proposing -although everyone knows I was going to. I know now that marrying her would have been a huge mistake
stevetehpirate
I got lucky. I reunited with the love of my life. It gave me the courage I needed to push myself into the hardest period of my life.
imamermaidgangleader
this breaks my heart and terrifies me because what if I end up to be the disliked wife
guminski
I'm 87 totally for real and still about to drop a dank meme that nobody can resist upvooshing
UmbralEntity
You're joking, but I'm 50 +been in the game industry all my life. I understand exactly what you said, and I make meme images with Photoshop.
ratchethatchet
Why have you stayed together for (presumably) such a long time?
InsightfulLinguist
Might also be money. Sometimes people can't live on just one salary.
damien309
I'm going to guess kids.
ZiltoidIndeed
Kids shouldn't prevent ending an unhappy marriage. They just end up suffering more.
damien309
I hear ya. I know a couple that is in an loveless marriage because of their kids though.
NotACreeper4345
My fav part of my SO&I is the way we fight. We let our anger out, wait a few mins, then make a compromise. If @OP wife won't talk, itll fail
TomBrokaw
This x1000. Respect yourself by standing up for yourself, and respect your spouse. Fix problems, don't blame and insult.
MikeVick
Hey why don't you shut up, it's all your fault anyway.
MikeVick
Incase you were wondering, that was a joke
CaptainHyperbole
Dad ?
maniacalmacaroni
Nice
alivicwil
heh. I had the same thought.
cutebunnies
me, too.
BitchButcher
My granddad told me there are two ways if you're unhappily married. Cheat on her or go for a walk. He's the most fit person I know.
echonite
Must be some great sex.
stevetehpirate
Well. He is doing a lot of one or both to keep in that kinda shape!
Chrisbronk
Firstly was his name Johnny. Second do you just keep walking untill you die?
BitchButcher
My grandmas health is getting worse atm so he's probably walking until she dies...
marymarymistressmary
Yes
throwaway360
Your religion's not the boss of you. You're an adult, do what you feel is right.
CaptainColder2TheColdening
I think for some people religion is the boss of you and doing what it says is what they feel is right
MundaneFinality
If its what op feels is right, this post wouldnt exist.
CaptainColder2TheColdening
Let me rephrase. Not what feels good, but what feels like it's the right thing to do (whether or not it is being another point entirely)
adangquesadilla
Yeah it is that's the point of having a religion.
therpsichore
And but for a few countries, your religious marriage has no legal bearing, it can't stop you from leaving her.
rudejohn
Some people believe divorce can lead to eternal damnation. In that case - the religion is the boss, and they're not empowered to divorce.
tatischief
My SO family has a guy who is on his 4 wife now. Religious cultural reason. Lives in UK, is successful doctor, dated British girl, but 1/2
tatischief
3/3 apparently new girl is nice. But still is cultural marriage as they met on dating site in Morocco. Sometimes I say f**k the culture.
tatischief
family persuaded him to ditch her and marry girl from Iraq. Few later later, she left with most of his money. Ditto for the second. But 2/3
DrKriegersClone
Wasn't sure for a minute if you meant 4'th consecutive, or 4'th polygamous.
tatischief
Nearly same thing right? I did meet family with one men 4 wives when I lived in Kenya, they very sweet to each other. Seemed to work well.
FrostWight
What the hell?? None of the top comments encourage him to fight for why they fell in love in the first place! Find a reason to stay with her
notasanonymousasimighthope
Because there is abuse. Switch genders and imagine encouraging an abused woman to find reasons to stay.
TheyHunger
Ya know, kind of like how it actually happens. Healthy!
DJMelloBeatz
Is counseling still out of the question, though?
notasanonymousasimighthope
"I am sorry about your black eye and broken ribs. Maybe if you go to counselling your husband will stop beating you."
FrostWight
I am all for abused men finally getting the support they deserve but OP says it himself: we shouldn't be quick to go back on our word. 1/2
FrostWight
If I were him I would seek resolution and counselling. All marriages go through hard times. And what's going on for her I wonder? 2/2
PerpetualCommotionMachine
I think the religious and familial backlash would be far better than living out the rest of your life utterly unhappily. Good luck to you.
dojan5
If his family truly cared they would get over it. Otherwise he's better off without anyway. The choice seems obvious.
HouseMouseMN
They get over it. Same situation here a few years back. I have a decent job so I stayed 5 states away as a buffer from my family. Good luck!
Rodvitner
This @OP please. You're not doing either of you any good by staying, leave before you get kids and are stuck for real.
PerpetualCommotionMachine
Oh, and if you got backlash from your friends over it they weren't really your friends to begin with.
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eggmuffin
Ending a marriage because it's making you miserable IS selfish, and there's nothing wrong with that.
therpsichore
OP's marriage doesn't have any thing to do with anyone else than OP and his wife, People can and will always hate but it shouldn't prevent
therpsichore
OP from doing what is right for him.
Ishalldefenestrateyou
If people hate you for bettering yourself, they are not people you should give to shits about.
ProcrastinationIsAWayOfLife
I was there once. i stayed for 3 years because my religion doesn't allow divorce either. Then said fuck it. Been happy ever since. Good luck
RIPSlurmsMckenzie
What's the benefits of these religions forcing this one people. I am not saying don't try to work on your marriage, relationships = work.
RIPSlurmsMckenzie
But people change, sometimes you need divorce.
PankoAudio
Yep. I don't have the religion excuse though, I was just an idiot
Vagetarian
Perfect username for the comment (but seriously, I'm glad to hear you finally made it happen)
brokencrockerypants
Literally my story. You could be my ex.
Maninthegraysuit
Let's ride this dragon to the top!!! Hahah
Maninthegraysuit
Ditto . Almost be same situation. Even took online classes for my ex so she could graduate on time. I was the donkey in the end. Better now.
MrWiggleBottom
3 years? Sorry about that. Glad you got out when you did. Also: username checks out.
DefundIsraelTheGenocidalNation
I always thought I was the only one. Similar situation. Eventually had the courage to divorce. Best thing ever
SidneyHarbor
Abuse is above all - since she's a woman, you can't press charges against her and have it stick (she'll say she was defending herself) but
coolstarrybra
Been there. I worked full time and he was unemployed. Screamed at me when the house was dirty and complained about having to make dinner..
MammaryCalamity
I'm sure you're God cares more about you enjoying the life you think he gave you. Fuck the"rules"
Sydonis12
If your religion sentences you to the life of unhappiness, you need a better religion. OP should divorce.
guesswho1440
I don't think he means his religion I think he means he wants to be a man of his word. Vows aren't a thing to be said lightly
StoptheInfamousElGuapo
YOU sir/ma'am are absolutely correct! I went from Christian to Atheist 15 years ago and life has been far better for me ever since!
GrandOppai
Praise Nothing!
Schmuck4hire
Did you get any bad consequences for that?
CubanDoctorRapist
See, disregarding immaginary friends is ok.
27yoUGLYvirgin
See, this is why you are an asshole. You don't have to insult him for believing in his God. You can say the same thing withoutMakingFunOfOP.
CubanDoctorRapist
Yes i do, otherwise no lesson learned. If we all hug and kiss nobody learns.
27yoUGLYvirgin
I pity you if the only way you can get an argument across is by insults.
MikeVick
No you don't have to mock. No lesson will be learned from an asshole posting, relatively anonymously, on a website anyway. Youre just an ass
notasanonymousasimighthope
Dude. Its the rest of your life. Get a ----ing divorce.
Brotzbertz
Yes, take ownership of your life. (Which mainly means creating opportunities because you can only control the smallest part.) Disavow fate.
HamshanksCPS
If your religion is preventing you from being happy, it's probably not the right religion for you.
AuroraNora33
fucking*
ItsJustCole
Fuck that religion
PunPanda
WHOA
thatwoodguy
"Alex I'd like to by a vowel. A "U". "
chickenboo
Become a widow :p
Lateralcollateral
Dude. It's the rest of your life. Don't get a fucking divorce. Eph 5:25 This is yr opp to be like Jesus. love her. give up your life for her
NazgulJim
Or work on it. I mean hardcore style. Often divorce seems easier then hardcore changing.
notasanonymousasimighthope
If the genders were reversed you would be an asshole for suggesting that, in the face of physical abuse.
imnotashark
For real - I got divorced 3 years (2 years too long) into my marriage, in my 20's. Now I'm in my 30's and cannot even fathom (1)
imnotashark
my life and how it would be if I had stayed. I am so happy now, a different person people say, divorce was the best choice ever (2)
elShiz
No religion is worth a lifetime of unhappiness and a dedication to vows that aren't being upheld by both sides.
ominousdusk
Why not try counseling first??
notasanonymousasimighthope
Because he is being physically abused.
balloonlord
She should also get personal counsling
PoIluticorn
This true. Kinda wish there was a magic cure all but there isn't.
snet328
Disregard you contrived religion and start making the most of your existence. It could be wonderful.
wolfmaster343
But the point of in divorce cases almost 75-90% of the time ( even if the woman was abusive or cheating) get the most out of it
stevetehpirate
Life is short. Way too short to be tied to someone who makes you miserable. Who abuses you. The backlash is a bandaid you gotta rip off.
Trekker47
OP does your religion allow for separation even?
27yoUGLYvirgin
None of the big religions do so I'm assuming it doesn't. Most ppl. don't take that too seriously but he seems to be very religious.
Trekker47
Well I know Catholicism has nothing against couples living apart if someone's being abusive.
27yoUGLYvirgin
I assumed by separation you meant divorce.
UNOpeaNUTbutter
Very good point. The rest of your life be miserable or take the divorce and start new, you have options. You have one life live it your way!
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Its that attitude that has created some of the problems we have today. Marriage is a vow, a holy one for @OP, so don't give up so easily.
notasanonymousasimighthope
And when men beat their wives, we encourage them to stay because of their vows?
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
You know that's not what I'm saying.
notasanonymousasimighthope
That seems to be exactly what you are saying: You are literally encouraging @OP to remain in an abusive relationship. Because vows.
BilliamHWatterson
So much this. Do it now before you windup with kids. That is by far the worse part of a divorce.
somethingsteampunkthatshouldntbesteampunk
And the problems are bound to get worse with kids. You need to be a team.
27yoUGLYvirgin
Lol I something tells me those two are not going to have sex, or kids.
JeSuisBaguette
lead is one of many dangerous heavy metal which have been proven to cause brain damage. It is hard to detect and can exist in food or water.
PerseusRex
Above's advice is
hmzzz
How much did you consume?
JeSuisBaguette
actually our country tap water is bearly drinkable, so.........
ATotallyOriginalAndCoolUsername
Only drinkable by bears?
JeSuisBaguette
the main water supply to my house lies in the sewer, fml
Boopbeepbeep
There is no religion worth you being unhappy for the rest of your life. You need to do you.
crimsonskies9188
I couldn't agree more. A friend of mine won't get divorced because shes afraid her parents will disown her and because of religion. Shes 34
TheGunslingerFollowed
1000x this. Well said.
Obandigo
Become an atheist and divorce her. However, if you feel you still need religion, become a satanist and sacrifice her to lucifer.
Themastersphone
Great advice, everyone wins!
EngineerZero
Satanists sound super rational and logical. I'd consider it
Noevilgifs
Or agnosticism
MWTH
Or do a Henry VIII and start your own sect of your religion, with you as its leader and grant yourself divorce. May work best if your a king
Imeancmonhullo
*you're
IWantToUseAHyphenInMyName
Also you know what, screw the couch, you go sleep in your bed. If she has a problem with that she can be on the couch.
TheMoistBandit
Hehe. Hey guys I know what that spells.
TheLastSpanishInquisitor
It's smoking, isn't it?
sometimesipostsockshere
Why is a bandit moist?
randompotayhtoah
cuz he steals all the pussy
RowRowFightThePowa
See now I'm curious. Thanks.
sometimesipostsockshere
Me too, man, me too (⌐■_■)
su007
They are expensive. Anyone know why?
ROARKLEBORK
They should charge you $20,000 for getting married and make getting divorced free.
Rynnel
You can usually do it yourself if it's not complicated by children or assets.
Sayagain
Because they are worth it!!
brittathisusername
Mine was $1000 for attorney fees and filing paperwork. But I had no kids.
flassk
because in many areas, law favors the women, costing a fellow half his belongings, child custody and a large portion of future earnings.
ForTheRepublic212th
Because the government doesn't understand women or crazy
lifeisapicnic
Social control
mralterboy
Also, it's quite easy if you do it before 3 years; at least in CA
notme222
[I'll help.] "No, @su007. Why are divorces so expensive?"
justacap
Because they're worth it.
ProcrastinationIsAWayOfLife
Way less expensive if you 1) don't have kids and 2) don't own property.
hothotpapa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38GIWsl0WnQ
Vodice
3) poor
su007
Very practical and correct answer, but punchline is that they are worth it.
ProcrastinationIsAWayOfLife
Ahh, I get it. Pretend this never happened??
RunningWolf
The marriage?
PunkHippieBoy
better than a living hell