Suicide is never the answer

Sep 5, 2017 3:26 PM

JustSomeWelshGuy

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This arrived through the post today.

I was driving home from work, my last day in fact, and I must've driven home this way about 1000 times; this time though something happened.

I drove past what looked like a person standing on the end of the bridge I was driving across, it was really dark and I caught them from the corner of my eye. I looked into my rear-view mirror to see what looked like someone swaying back and forth on the other side of the barrier on a ledge, I kept thinking to myself "nah that couldn't be" but then I thought "what if". So I turned my car around sharply just before the large roundabout and headed back up the bridge, and I found a man standing on the edge. I shouted "Hey are you okay"? But I got no response, I tried to shout over the numerous cars passing so he could hear me - "Excuse me are you alright"? He didn't reply but instead shook his head, that's when it hit me; this man is suicidal and is going to jump off of this bridge.

I put my hazard lights on as I was blocking a lane in the road so cars could go around me. A woman must've noticed as well as she pulled up behind me and put her hazards on, she asked me if she should call the police and I said yes. I ran over to him and started talking to him.

He wasn't very responsive at first but slowly I got him to open up. He told me that this was the end and the only place left to go was 'down there' which looked to be at least a 100 foot drop to the bottom, on solid concrete. I was scared, I hadn't come across anybody in this state before. We talked a bit more and I built some rapport with him, his name is Karl and he is 30, homeless, with three kids. He said that life has never been good for him, he lost his job, broke up with his girlfriend and lost custody of his 3 children who were 3, 7 and 11 years old; he lost custody and wasn't able to see them when he became homeless, he lost a court case after she had allegedly accused him of abusing drugs as well as the kids, something he stated as untrue, but nothing he could do about nonetheless. He didn't go into much detail about how he became homeless exactly, but just that he had been homeless for the past 2 years. He told me that he was sick and tired of having to eat his way through life.

The police arrived and what arrived on the scene was a couple of young officers, a man and a woman. I was relieved. but then the policeman started aggravating Karl, he wasn't giving any supportive words but rather asking him lots of questions and demanding that he came onto our side of the barrier; this police officer was obviously inexperienced with handling these situations. Karl became frustrated and told the man to "leave him alone" then when he wouldn't stop, Karl simply said "fuck off". They started edging towards him, then Karl said "I can see you inching towards me! FUCK OFF OR I WILL JUMP RIGHT NOW I SWEAR TO GOD!!" Then bursting into tears right after he said it; the police officers backed away, and then they what looked like to be ushering other police officers behind me away that must of been moving in.

It was just me and him, and a very harrowing, nerve-wrecking reality set in as I looked behind me and scanned the area, there was about 3 dozen or so onlookers and just as many police officers, blocking off the road with police cars everywhere, all of the police had stepped away, not uttering a single word. The only thing between Karl and that solid cold concrete floor was me, I was shaking uncontrollably, it wasn't cold, about 22℃ if anything, but I was shaking like I was standing naked in arctic winds.

I hadn't ever spoken to anyone depressed, never mind someone who was suicidal; but I myself was depressed at a time, severely, for several years. No I couldn't relate to him directly, with his specific issues he was struggling with, but I could sympathise with how he was feeling, that dark, empty feeling of depression that gnaws away at you every day. He looked at me and said "I can't beat it", and I said "of course you can! You can because you're strong! You've come this far and you don't know how close you are to a better life; look at it this way, you're at the bottom, and the only way to go from the bottom is up, things can only get better from here on out". He hadn't told anyone that he was depressed, never mind on the edge of a bridge.

I told him that things will get better, I promised him that. He had travelled all the way from Cheshire (about 50 miles away) to kill himself. It might sound silly but I remember reading an article on Cracked about how to talk to suicidal people on the edge, and one of the points I remember is to keep them talking, it doesn't matter what about, just keep them talking, about food, their family, favourite hobbies, anything, and that's what I did, I talked to him about lots of things.

Karl turned to me and said "I haven't eaten in 2 weeks", I said "come with me and we'll grab a pizza, any takeaway, or I could just give you £10 to go and get something to eat"; he said "I'm not a beggar" to which I responded with "it doesn't mean you're a beggar, I'm just trying to help you like people have helped me; it doesn't make you weak to accept help, the most successful people in the world have had all the help they can get, no one is truly self-made without another's help, please accept mine".

He said "okay, but what are the police going to do if I step back over", I said "They'll just take your details and offer you a ride home (I honestly had no idea what they were going to do, I was just winging it the whole way through). It then went dead silent for what felt like forever, but was probably about 30 seconds, then he threw his jacket over the barrier and stepped on over. The police then proceeded to grab him and he started saying "I'm not a criminal, let me go I've done nothing wrong, I'm okay now I swear!" I stood there awkwardly as about 7 officers took him away, the policewoman told me to wait by my car, which I did. An older policeman then approached me and sincerely thanked me for what I had done, and "that it can be very difficult in times like this, just finding the right words to say, but sincerely, thank you." He said that an ambulance was on its way and if I needed to be checked over, I said that it was okay, that I will just sit in my car for a few minutes. I sat there in my car until I stopped shaking, then I drove off and all of the police officers at the scene, about 20 of them waved me as I drove off.

It was quite funny actually, I drove to the top of the road to turn back and drive home when a policewoman stopped me, she said "there has been an incident" and that I need to turn back, I tried to explain "yes I know, I'm the one who.." she then cut me off saying "SIR, PLEASE TURN AROUND NOW" to which I then obliged saying "alright jeez" under my breath.

The reason I'm posting this on Imgur is because he told me that he liked to browse it in his spare time whenever he sat near a WiFi hot-spot or had any charge in his phone. I tried to get his details through the police but it was a breach of confidentiality apparently. So Karl if you see this then feel free to message me, as I haven't yet been able to be true to my word and get you that meal. I'll travel down to Cheshire and we can share a nice big takeaway, or go to a buffet or whatever you wish. I'd rather this didn't get lost in user-sub so that you have a better chance to come across it. Whatever the outcome I just hope you're okay!

*Edit:

Thank you all so much! The support and kind words really has moved me in a way I never thought possible! This is quite a late edit I know but for those that catch this I want to say thank you for reading and lending such kind words!

I've yet to hear anything off of Karl unfortunately and since this has fallen from the front page I will have to try other methods of contacting him, and I am currently making many phone calls with the little details I have about him to hopefully get in touch. Also a big thank you to all of those that wish to donate gift cards and money etc, but I couldn't accept any of it until I found Karl, and I'm not sure how to set up a fund me for Karl and whatnot so don't worry about it; when I find him I'll treat him to a nice big dinner on me and most certainly make a follow up post, with his permission of course!

Actually something that made me chuckle was that when I had just finished my shift at Asda I was still in my bakery uniform with my jacket and everything, so as I was speaking to Karl I had pancake mix and flour all down me, with a jacket that said 'We're happy to help' written on my back - I was an absolute mess but you can't always look your best at times like these :')

All of this has just shown how amazing and supportive of a community Imgur actually is, and how amazing each of you are individually. I know it was a long read, I hope it was worth it, and from the bottom of my heart - thank you.

I lost a good friend to his demons that he couldn't quiet, you sir deserve a medal. Good for you, I wish Karl the best.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Lost a friend to it, a few months back. You did a good deed man, I hope he makes the fullest recovery possible.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

You the man! Things will get better Karl. Don't give up.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Well done mate, that took real courage.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

Karl, your kids will want to know their father. One day their mother won't be able to keep them away from you. Stay strong for them, please.

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

Just reply, Karl! I've been cutting way too many onions man.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Thank you all so much for your kind words! I never saw it in the newspaper so if someone could link that I'd be so grateful 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 63 Dislikes 0

And if Karl does get in touch I will most definitely follow it up with pictures of me and him eating a huge meal at his favourite place 2/2

8 years ago | Likes 54 Dislikes 0

He may not want his face on the web fyi. So get consent or just take a picture of the food and torso

8 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 0

I'm almost certain he would ask his permission before taking his photo and putting it online.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Damn, you did good there dude! I hope Karl gets in touch with you and both of you do OK.

8 years ago | Likes 236 Dislikes 1

Thank you very much! I really do hope Karl gets in touch too!

8 years ago | Likes 64 Dislikes 0

Please let us know. I've had friends try. And friends succeed. People like you, who they can talk to 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

without feeling ashamed, make all the difference.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Well put.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm from Wrexham, not far from this incident, I heard about this the other day. It's such a small world to see this on here. Well done @OP

8 years ago | Likes 107 Dislikes 1

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8 years ago (deleted Sep 21, 2017 12:26 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Diolch yn fawr iawn!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Thank you! It really is a small world, didn't think so many Welsh people resided here :P

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Mold!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'm also from near Wrexham, it's odd to see such a local location on the FP of Imgur!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

What kind of a silly name for a town is Wrexham? Warm regards from Wroxham.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You done good son

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Welsh looks like Klingon.

8 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 4

Legit thought I was having a stroke until I saw "Wales"

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Well Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch to you too.

8 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 0

har har har, that's that town with the long name...

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I hope you mean the language, not the people. :-)

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

Both.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

SoSlI' tlhIngan

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You are good people @OP.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Let's find Karl.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

What the police did was evil, you don't yell at or treat them like trash you respect them and treat them like they are super stars. 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 1

I know how it feels honestly. I ran away from home and hid behind a few bushes by a nearby park. When police found me they treated me 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

Like I had a gun, it only makes things worse. I k or they can be good people but the chain is as strong as the weakest link

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Karl, my dude. if you're gone, who will be King of Ducks? hang in there <3

8 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 1

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

welsh a&e doctor here, you're amazing, thank you so much

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

As a fellow Welshman, I just want to thank you for being a good man.

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

I know the feels @OP. I did something similar a few months back for a close friend.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

You were the right man at the right place with compassion to wonder , care and take action. Well done.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

And Karl, don't give up. You may not know it but you have people who care about you.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Sending so much internet love to you and Karl!

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Thanks for being a good human. :)

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Well done you! I genuinely hope Karl gets to see this post and that his life is already so much better from meeting you.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

You are a good human being.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Everyone should know ASIST - Applied Suicide Intervention Skills Training. It's accredited suicide first aid. www.papyrus-uk.org :)

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago (deleted Sep 5, 2017 10:26 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

What you shared is for young only...The number for all over is nhs 111 they have specialist psychiatric nurses on duty to assist

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

116 123 is Samaritans that is all UK wide. 24hours a day :) Thank you for posting that information!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well done @OP - that's not an easy thing to do. If you need to talk it through with someone do. These things can be traumatic for both sides

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I've got about $9 in gift cards to help get Karl another meal @OP

8 years ago | Likes 547 Dislikes 9

We don't have Target and Walmart in the U.K., I'm afraid. Not sure if a Walmart card will work at Asda though.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Decen sentiment but Cheshire is in England and the letter in OP's post is from North Wales Police. They aren't valid here.

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

I got 2 gift cards for a total of about $7 from a casino in Southern Washington... not sure if they'll be much help...

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Doubt a Walmart gift card will do much good in Wales.

8 years ago | Likes 103 Dislikes 3

No Walmarts in England?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

I think Walmart's European tournee started and ended in Germany where nobody understood why the plastic bags are so shitty and small.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The plastic bags are considered small there?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Last time I went to Walmart bags fit like a box of yogurt and oreos each and that's it. You need like 12 to get your groceries to the car.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Good call! I just contacted ASDA to find out if they'll accept or exchange a Walmart gift card for me.

8 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 1

Username does not check out - no immaturity in sight. Good on you, the effort you've gone to warms my heart.

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Just received a response from ASDA that my gift card is no good in the UK. I'll still gladly PayPal the money to @OP, just hope we find Karl

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

And Welsh is weird. Eich is our and ein is yours?

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

No, eich is yours and ein ours, pronounce "ei" like the letter "A"

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think I would really like to learn Welsch now.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Welsh is weird. The first letter of words can change depending on if it has a certain few words in front of it..

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This needs a follow up

8 years ago | Likes 49 Dislikes 0

because there was no fall-o down

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

If he gets in touch, I certainly will!

8 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

Dot

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8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You guys can share these onions I've been cutting. So many onions.

8 years ago | Likes 808 Dislikes 6

damn my onions seemed damn strong as well

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8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

We're gonna make so many Onion rings

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Dear god so many onions.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

don't mind if i do!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Little story about a friend of mine; He had been going to the doctor for a time complaining about a headache and lack of sleep, among

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

other things. I'm not sure how, but he seemed to connect this as a path towards suicidal thoughts (I'm just trying to retell what he toldme)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He, himself, didn't seem to be aware about it himself, but he got transfered from the daily doctor to a hospital, where he was instructed

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

to tell the lady behind the counter why he was there. He told me it was a pretty big waiting line, but when he told her that he had

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

suicidal thoughts, he just got rushed straight through the whole line in less than a minute and got an instant apointment with someone

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

8 years ago | Likes 42 Dislikes 0

Onion ninjas are a thing?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Oh god not the mandolin. It's a knuckle deathtrap.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I really like your username.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thanks mate! Tried to make a novelty account where every comment was one where I would run out of characters and not make a part two but I g

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

As a begrudging survivor, it depends on the question.

8 years ago | Likes 103 Dislikes 7

When I read the title, I had to give a long sigh. It's cliche and belittling imo. As a survivor myself, suicide can be a legitimate answer.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Everyone's guiding light is different, I sincerely hope you find yours before it is too late. The world is better off with you in it.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I realise this, Perhaps my title is spread a bit too far over the spectrum. I do understand that terminal illness is different.. 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

But I just put it in the context of my situation, the problems he had shouldn't be solved with suicide as he was healthy otherwise 2/2

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

You so clearly mean well and you have absolutely no idea what you're dealing with. I hope you never do.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Having survived several suicide attempts I don't think you need to apologize. Someone like you was there for me and I'd be dead if not 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

for someone that thinks the way you do. You may not have a colorful costume or superpowers, but you were Karl's Superman that day. 2/2

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Ditto. People seem to think that if you prevent someone you've magically cured the yearning for an end. No, they just become preoccupied.

8 years ago | Likes 69 Dislikes 4

I keep thinking about it, wanting to do it. I wish I could just let go.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My biggest regret is missing my brachial artery, but I have to endure the military's "due process" so that no one in my chain of command...

8 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 4

... will look bad when I check out.

8 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 3

You OK bro?

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Pretty solidly not.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Please try to see life as a worthy opponent.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

I have pushed for that. There has been a consistent return on investment, though the return is pain and my investment is effort...

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

... effort that I can no longer afford.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You've got a whole lot of people here you can talk to, mate.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have done a lot of talking with a lot of people, personal, professionals etc. I am not an impulsive careless person. I've arrived at...

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That is such an insensitive thing to say. I'm sure it's coming from a good place, but that's just not how depression works.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Guess it depends on the person. My sheer competitiveness has helped me when I've felt low.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

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8 years ago (deleted Apr 25, 2018 1:58 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Sometimes depression has no feeling at all. I hate it when people think feeling depressed and being Depressed are the same.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I agree with you honestly. Depression isn't exactly the same for everyone. Therapy didn't do jack for me, medications helped more than 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

anything else but I am pretty much fueled by challenging myself to try to get better and do better. It's a weird cycle, but sometimes 2/

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

feeling low != clinical depression, fyi. Sometimes people treating you like you're only having a bad day only makes you feel worse.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Well I'd think that 'clinical depression' would happen more gradually than a sudden dramatic shift.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My favorite : Smile, you'll better.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I completely agree.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Does anyone know what the police do with suicide victims when they get them in the car?

8 years ago | Likes 975 Dislikes 2

If this was the US they'd kill them.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

Didn't you hear him? They're going to take him home (he says that knowing he was homeless oh dear)

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Shoot them? Is this a trick question?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They get sent to the ER/emergency psychiatric services, where they will be placed on a 5150(US) which is an involuntary 72 psychiatric hold.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Generally take them to hospital or take them to a family members or friends. They're suffering from something medically, 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

just a shame the medical staff don't take the responsibility sometimes (most of the time)b2/2

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Handcuffed and brought to the hospital. That's what happened to me here in Canada. They were kind though.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The stories of a life rebuilt are rare. Usually the stigma stays on record. It will effect them in court, insurance, etc. Worse for him now

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well, probably shoot them.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Suicide victims? Take them to the morgue. They probably take attempted suicide victims to a lock down mental hospital.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In Canada I was taken to the nearest hospital and pretty much kept in a room with nothing until I was deemed "no longer a hazard to myself"

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

And that's bad why

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Slow and sensual butt sex

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Take to local crisis screening center for mental health assessment. Held on involuntary an amount of time depending on where you live.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

beat them to death

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

When I rang 999 with suicidal intentions I was taken to hospital in a police car. Pretty humiliating

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Side note, the answer to this is why I dislike the "they know what they signed up for" argument in football. If you're decision is you're

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Alright dying on the field, you may not be mentally capable of making that decision for yourself.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They get brought to "The Farm"

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Take them to the nearest doughnut shop.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

First they'll have to decide whether someone needs to be put in a psychiatric hospital or whether they can be let go safely.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was taken to a mental hospital.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Euthanasia

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 11

Take you to the psychiatric ER. In my experience, they tend to be untrained and make the situation worse. The two that took me just 1/?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2/? Asked why. When I told them, it went silent. They talked to each other the way there, then thanked god it was the "good nurse" that got

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

3/3 them out of there quick. made me feel like an inconvenience. Cops really need training in this. Great job @op

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well, actual suicide victims are dead, so they probably hand them over to burial services.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

The victims they take to the morgue.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

The survivers, on the other hand are goddamn heroes, and should be taken to where they can get help.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Exactly what I was thinking. I'll save you a spot by the lava pool.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I work in a psychiatric hospital. He would be detained under the mental health act.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Really? A member of my family tried to commit suicide and there was no detention or talk of it.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It depends where you live I suppose. I work in the UK.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Same. The person was seen by someone in A&E who made an evaluation. Then saw a councillor about 3 days later. No mention of sectioning once.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The victims they take to the morgue.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

THANK YOU! Nobody was understanding...

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Suicide them

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 6

Beat them into submission.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

LPS in CA is "5150", threat to self or others, up to 72 hour hold. Going through psych rotation in nursing school now, 1/

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

and the facility I'm doing clinical at is fantastic in so many ways. Psych has no money in it though; most 2/

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

psych patients are uninsured. This means most psych is county facility vs private hospital, and they're old buildings, underfunded. 3/

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Can lead to a "heads in beds" mentality, too, so rife for abuse. Still, the system is better than nothing, and if we actually started 4/

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

to give a shit as a society, to prioritize people over money, then we could make huge strides towards addressing people in their 5/

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

they sent me straight to jail

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

anal probing but you get a teddy bear and a lollipop after so it's not so bad

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was taken to a hospital in Georgia and allowed to leave with my mom after a psych interviewed me.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

well, here in america, first you are pepper sprayed, then clubbed while handcuffed, sent to a suicide watch jail and then charged for it.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I'm a crisis counselor in a hospital. Police bring us suicidal people and usually petition 302s which are involuntary admission to 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

2/2 inpatient mental health units.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

OP if you're looking to get into contact with Karl call the closest hospital to where you are and ask for the inpatient mental health 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ask them to give a message to Karl if he's there with a contact number for you.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

When I attempted suicide they put me in the car and drove me to the hospital and waited for me to get I to the hands of staff.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They beat the craap out of them...then take them to the ER.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

In UK are put under section 135/136 of mental health act and taken to ED as place of safety normally for evaluation. Pretty similar to US.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

in UK, probably take them to a place of safety to be assessed, they can be held for 72 hours and sectioned if high risk to self or others.

8 years ago | Likes 62 Dislikes 0

If you're on a bridge, they just force you to play pooh sticks.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

They take you to the nearest inpatient facility where you speak to a Crisis Team, then either you get to go home or you get sectioned.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Suicide by cop

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 9

Uk paramedic here. Police car waits for ambulance so they can be medically cleared. Whether they are charged or not then comes into play 1/

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If they have suicidal thoughts they should be transported to a place of safety, and if they are charged with a crime,this is under police 2/

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Guard. If they have no further ideology of suicide at hospital, they may be released once medically cleared, but often are kept for 24hrs 3/

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Unfortunately, mental health (mh) is not done very well in the UK, and often people are mistreated, or not treated at all. Its harrowing.4/4

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"suicide victim"... so a dead body.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Arrest them, apparently (I seriously hope this was 'arrest to hold him at a psych facility') *link in reply for length*

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Wrong date, wrong location, wrong time of day, just wrong.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They take them to a hospital and put them on psychiatric hold for 72 hours. Only a psychiatrist can take you off. Been there before.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In the US it's a 72 hour psych hold in a place that will make you want to kill yourself more than before. Then you get a bill for ~$12k/day

8 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 2

All depends where you go, there's crappy soul crushing units and there's also damn good ones. Luck of the draw.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I didn't have to pay a bill.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sounds like freedom to me

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

'murica

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I work as an assessment specialist in Naperville, Illinois. When people are suicidal and brought to the ER they see someone like me.

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

God help them! :p :cheers:

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Given the fact that he stated was suicidal, completed a rehearsal he would probably at least be admitted psychiatrically for a day or two.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Naperville huh? Linden Oaks? The time I spent there did make things better. After we moved though, Wisconsin sure does know how to screw up.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Their cheese isn't too bad... I mean obviously I'd rather have good mental healthcare than good cheese, but at least the cheese is nice.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

(totally not in sync with the topic but) NAPERTHRILL!!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I tried to jump off the Sunshine Skyway in FL after my rape years ago. Talked down, cuffed, in ambulance, and 72 hour hold at PEHMS. 》》

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

》》 much better place in life today, thanks to the wonderful team there. Pinellas Park Florida. They saved my life and my unborn (from rape)

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Holy! I'm so sorry that happened to you! May I ask if you ended up delivering?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Avsolutely! I sure did.. placed him with a hopeful mother for adoption.. and he lives like a king out on the eldest coast. It's great!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

As an adoptee, yay!!!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So glad you're okay and in a better mental place now

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thank you, my dear. I agree. It wasn't time for me to check out yet!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Depends on the state. In South Dakota they take you to jail until they can have someone evaluate you. Can be a few days.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Jfc that makes me want to vomit

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

What the fuck?! That's really messed up.

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

Mental health care in America is really fucked

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Any kind of US healthcare seems kinda fucked, tbh

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Depends on the state, in New York, they really try to help. In Misiisppi, not so much

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ive been there. I was initially taken to a police station (not under arrest) where an on call psychiatric doctor spoke to me. 1/?

8 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 0

After going through what i had done and intended to do, i was takem to family members to keep me safe. After 2 days i went out again 2/?

8 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

This time i was foumd by police cutting myself after being spotted on CCTV. Police training for mental health ia shit here im the uk 3/?

8 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Because as i was cutting myself, I was taclked and arrested under section and taken to hospital where i remaines under watch for 3 days. 4/?

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

I'm so sorry that happened to you. some forces have a street triage team now where a mental health professional goes out also to avoid this

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was then transported to a psychiatric hospital for 3 weeks where i remained ti help recover. Generally it was a good experience and 5/?

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

I should put here a Trigger warning for people. This thread contains details of depression. But if you can, there is a measage at the end

8 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

Is the existence of depression a fucking trigger now? Cause I know suppression isn't a cure

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 9

No, but people tend to be overly cautious nowadays.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

I don't know if acting like a condition that comes with feelings of isolation doesn't exist is gonna be real productive

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Probably contains graphic detail.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Dude, read the whole thread before getting all offended. The person posting it did the right thing.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Probably take them to the nearest mental health inpatient unit.

8 years ago | Likes 75 Dislikes 0

Oh. Yes. Suicide victims, they really need their mental health. Those dead bodies are completely unhinged.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 15

More properly, the term to apply is "attempted suicides". Suicide victims don't come back.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Shut up man

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Tacky as fuck, man

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I'm sorry, I do care to point out linguistic failures in the most noticeable way possible.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Inpatient units are typically full and extremely expensive if you don't have insurance. A 30 day outpatient program in the US w/out ins is >

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

This is the UK though. Healthcare is free. Deciding if a suicidal person should get treatment on the basis of money is pretty fucked.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

The US healthcare system is fucked up in my opinion

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Around 20,000 where I live. That doesn't include medication either. With insurance it's still like 6,000.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

it's so backwards, why should wealth dictate if you get treatment when suicidal?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Judging by the use of £ in the story they're in the UK, if that's the case then a hospital stay costs nothing.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Correct. This man would have been admitted, treated and looked after for free.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That's amazing.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

They take them to the hospital to be evaluated and then they will be held for a 24 hour evaluation. It's what happens in the US at lest.

8 years ago | Likes 904 Dislikes 5

That was a shitty punchline, I don't get it

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Generally something similar. They shouldn't have grabbed him like that though. But yes, generally to a hospital for at least an assessment.

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 1

72 hours in California

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

in the US where the mentally instabile roam the streets and frequently get shot by police.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Psych wards are absolute hell. Especially for at risk assaulter and at risk suicide...

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

People are telling me 72 instead of 24, my experience was only 24 hour hold so I apologize if my information was wrong.

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

People forget the US is huge, and laws differ. Don't let them bug you. Your area may very well be different

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Depending on the state (in the US), they will forcibly admit you to a mental ward if they think you're still a danger to yourself.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Dude its a couple days at least unless you can convince the on site phycologist to let you go and that can be difficult.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yeah that's generally the case. Unless you catch the cops on a bad night, then anything can happen.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

"WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO?! SHOOT ME?!?!"

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

"We were just gonna beat you about the head and neck region until you were no longer recognizable... But we'll keep that in mind, thanks!"

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

5150 is 72 hrs

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's a 5150 and it's a 72 hour hold.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

In the US it's 72 hours not 24

8 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 1

idk Most times in my area of the US they just eval you for a few hours then let you go home 'cause there's nothing wrong

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"Congrats on your decision to continue living, here's $10,000+ in medical debt"

8 years ago | Likes 172 Dislikes 5

For fucking real

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Thankfully the letter says this is in Wales, in the UK that's not an issue.

8 years ago | Likes 61 Dislikes 0

That's why the guy was talking about the U.S

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Yeah, that would definitely be shit in the US. Christ i hope our system stays free (at the point of blah blah blah)

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Luckily our involuntary inpatient treatmet in TN (Knoxville) is covered by a grant.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Mine's only about 5 grand. But seriously. Fuck that system.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I was once taken out of school against my wishes and taken to the hospital, when a student reported me acting depressed. 4k for the 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Hospital bill, when i had been depressed for years but was actually on the mend. And insurance wouldnt cover a penny

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I had a classmate that said he was depressed and I told his counselor. Seeing this, I now think I did more harm than good.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

What's the legal rationale for billing someone who's being held against their will?

8 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

2. That stems from the idea of "implied consent" which is "He was unconscious so he needed help he didn't want. "

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

You are recipient of "treatment" and allocation of hospital resources. That $37 bottle of Gatorade isn't going to pay for itself!

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Normally 72 hour eval instead of 24. They commit you for at least a weekend. Usually makes things worse.

8 years ago | Likes 75 Dislikes 4

Not in San Francisco. Here it's 24 hrs if you're deemed severe. They can't afford to keep them longer in SFGH. Unless they have ins.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Damn. Honestly probably better for them. Being forcibly committed is rough

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I can attest to it making the situation worse.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

This. They kept me in the ER for 3 days. Their evaluation process is a sham. The personnel that come to talk to you dont care. Its another

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

bit of paperwork for them. The first person that came to see me didnt care about me, was irritated that she was there. Didnt clear me.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

The second one cleared me. 2 days later. Only because the hospital pressured him so they could have their bed back. The US doesnt care for

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Can confirm I work in an ER I see this on a daily. And very rarely do I see it make things better. Makes me sad some days :/

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

9 times out of 10 it only makes the situation worse.

8 years ago | Likes 396 Dislikes 25

Honestly, it did help me. After years I finally got the correct diagnosis and medication, it just sucks it took that and 6k to get help.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

[citation needed]

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 6

can confirm. $10,000 bill. now the bill stresses me out so much i'm not better.

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

I have a $10k bill but I've accepted that I'm not going to pay that off anytime soon so it doesn't worry me too much anymore. It did at 1st

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

yeah, it honestly wouldn't be so bad if they didn't keep continually calling and sending mail to remind me. borderline harassment

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I've gone, place I went was nice, most calm place ever, they evaluate you and if you're not crazy and you can explain to them 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

You know that stupid and I was really drunk and literally me and my fiancé just broke up. They just need to think you're not going just

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

to leave and do it again. Lets be honest you actually try to kill yourself, you should probably talk to someone eh?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

I realise that in the USA without health insurance is not a very good situation. However, the other situation is death

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

ER nurse checking in.. 302's are not the answer

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Nah, gives the a chance to rethink. If Karl had only wanted to die, he would have jumped, not made conversation. He wanted help, and he did

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 6

I mean, twenty seconds after attempting, I regretted it. He probs wanted to die in the moment. He was given hope. That's more important 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

than help most of the time. 2/2

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

As traumatic as being in psych is, I wouldn't say it makes it worse. If you actually follow through with the therapy they set up for you...

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

It really helps. I hated psych but the real help was in the talk therapy they convinced me to follow through with.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

If you go somewhere nice. Public hospitals are usually understaffed, overworked, and underqualified to treat mental health disorders.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

U.S. citizen with no insurance here. I've never been hospitalized for something like that, but I'm sure they'd fuck me hard with the bill.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Any evidence for that?

8 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 8

He's absolutely right. Personal experience.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

anecdotal, but my experience was so terrible that I didn't go back to therapy for 5 years. I was afraid they'd send me back.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

It was the single most dehumanizing experience I've ever had, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I used to work in the mental health field at a crisis house. I mainly interacted directly with those coming out of a suicidal episode.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

So it's more just from seeing what I saw and personally If I felt depressed I don't think the police or hospital would help my case

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I went in. They treated me, I didn't have my insurance card (I was 18 and used my step moms insurance) and they said well no place will take

8 years ago | Likes 166 Dislikes 1

Me, so they sent me on my way with a 800$ hospital bill.

8 years ago | Likes 191 Dislikes 2

Thank goodness I lived in Canada! I've been in and out of hospital and I haven't had a single bill except a $45 ambulance

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I had insurance. Got stuck with a 30k bill and dropped from my insurance policy.

8 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

Fucking hell. Fuck the US and their fucking healthcare

8 years ago | Likes 216 Dislikes 6