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found this last image on twitter posted by @jonahpixel
Feb 26, 2018 12:57 PM
ICannotStressThisEnoughBut
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found this last image on twitter posted by @jonahpixel
zma123456
I dont see this on any of their pages.
ProbstWyattThe3rd
Dominos couldn't give any less shits about customers or employees. They're awful people
EricForsythe
Well im not eating dominos until I hear this gets fixed
limbodog
The real Pizzagate!
cottonballs00
Also, NO ONE has ever done that for Dominos pizza. Gross greasy cardboard wads.
ArsenalThePhoenix
so did this lead to anything, like did domino's reply to the guy?
AbsolutelyZeroFucksGiven
It's funny how people in 2018 still think copyrights and whatnot matter on the internet. Good luck fighting their legal team.
HoboNinja91
Would Parody laws cover this? It's not an exact copy, just a very close representation. Like a Weird Al song.
aPokal
Meme could be counted as public domain. But still, this used a stock photo. It seems, istock might own it legally.
Greekos1
You're fucked no matter what you do. They changed the photo...that's all the u have to do. You didn't copyright it...
DMVanDarkholme
they went full general grievous
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MotivesAreInteresting
Godamn, the pixels man!
shaunfleury
I work at Dominos, fuck dominos
cyberghduck
Just bill them.
mitchconnor
Those bastards! I’m gonna stop buying Dominos. Wait, I already did that cause they make shitty pizza.
LarryTesler
Link to the tweet https://twitter.com/itsweinye/status/967793502158430209
LarryTesler
10h ago dominospizza_cl has since removed that post on their FB page. They have reached out on me via Twitter. I asked for an explanation.
HeHeHebieJeebies
yes Terry it was a plot hatched at the highest level of corpo... what.. oh.. really? Just some worked to death graphic artist stole it?
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HeHeHebieJeebies
Where exactly did I state a justification? Read much into nothing lately?
somethingnotyettaken
My instinct was to say "it's a really common meme, could easily be coincidence, the dude's been done staring at thousands of things". 1/2
somethingnotyettaken
But, yeah, if you look at the facial expressions, the sleeves, the ears, etc, it's quite clear one is a very, very close copy of the other.
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
I fucking hate art thieves. You have to watermark the crap out of everything you do just to stop them.
HitlersArtCritic
This was clearly a trace over with retouching. A watermark wouldn't do shit.
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
Yep, even then it doesn't help. It's disgusting.
therobisaur
Sorry. Please enjoy a complimentary cheesy bread at a 30% discount. -Dominoes Support
SquidOption
this internet memester marketing trend is one of the most horrible things ive ever seen. hey, at least wendys inspired a ton of hentai.
Begotten
r/fellowkids
Alkyone
Step 1: crush the bourgeoisie
killer10347
Step 2: Starve to death like Venezuela.
Wellshiet
Step 3: Desparetly try to claim that real communism has never been tried
theslimydepartment
Play the “stealing is unchristian” and “bad witness” card, it might just work, dominoes is held up as a Christian company with conservatives
fandsor
Yeah, except they're very selective about when those rules apply.
Strangelittlefish
Are you sure you're not thinking of Papa John's? I work at Domino's and I've never even heard religion mentioned.
MistressLyda
businessinsider.com/dominos-founders-catholic-paradise-2016-1?r=US&IR=T&IR=T seems plausible?
Strangelittlefish
Well that's crazy. Glad I have little to do with corporate.
OmeletteDooFromage
whitewashed plagiarism too
yeoldestudio
A meme is a meme, until you take original artwork and adapt it for your own commercial agenda. This is stolen artwork, they owe her money.
yeoldestudio
Domino's broke the law when they breached the artists copyright.
ManInTheBox21
Call JG Wentworth. I mean, it won't help you here, in this context, but those ads are just really catchy.
ArvisJaggamar
Ok, well, fortunately, I have a structured settlement and I need cash now, so your post really helped me out.
railroadman22
They stole their name from a game. What do you expect?
nastywomen
Uno I never expected such a wildcard idea!
80percentlegs
FoxyEllie
The funny thing is, the amount of effort that went into re-touching everything in it could probably have made an entirely new image.
GorgeousGen
Guys, getting inspired and doing your own interpretation of a meme: not plagiarism. Tracing over existing artwork: plargerism.
jimbodoomface
Plarrrrgllbarrbbglrblism.
scree06
Line art is nearly exactly the same. It's stolen.
BeardedCoffeeMonkey
PLOGRAAAAAZEEEEARRROOOOUUUUUM! http://www.hrwiki.org/w/images/thumb/b/b0/New_Coach_Z_Styles.PNG/200px-New_Coach_Z_Styles.PNG
theOutburst
One thing to get inspired by something and share your version for fun and another to redraw this alike and make it for money (kinda)
atcggcta
Pregnancy
lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalaa
All this "artist" added to meme was pizza. what's next? Hate mondays?
GorgeousGen
We're not talking IP, copywrite, etc here, we're talking literal plagerism.
GorgeousGen
He drew the people in his stylised way, if Dominoes had done the same, instead of literally tracing, it would not plagiarism.
lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalaa
I agree whoever works for domino social media was pretty lazy. give the weinye memester a free pizza
OliWarner
Trace it this close and it's likely copyright infringement.
WellBehavedZombie
A derivative work must incorporate some or all of a preexisting “work” and add new original copyrightable authorship to that work.
OliWarner
These "incorporated" elements don't have to be literal samples. See the various copyright battles over very similar sounding songs.
WellBehavedZombie
Where both groups have very good lawyers, when it's a company vs a normal person the law sides will usually side w/ the lawyer or settle b4.
OliWarner
Sure, and a good law firm would likely take this on no-win-no-fee. There's a legit case. Deliberate copying is triple damages, fees paid.
Lobuttomize
Almost positive they didn't copyright their drawing
ThomasThundersword
copyright is automatic by default. registering just allows more comp if violated. (over simplified but the jist if it)
SendMeSweaterPuppies
Copyright is valid the moment a work is created. Registration is voluntary and only required in order to sue for infringement. You can (1)
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register a work at a later date in order to sue for infringement. (2)
Lobuttomize
https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ40.pdf
SendMeSweaterPuppies
https://www.copyright.gov/title17/title17.pdf | Page 132, "· Preemption with respect to other laws"
Traja01
Getting inspired and doing your own interpretation of a meme is likely a derivative work, so it's probably not her copyright anyway.
DangerTrain
The original comes from a stock photo company. And she's ripping off a meme pretty hard anyway, but hey, people gotta be victims.
Jusmar
2. To claim fair use otherwise the purpose, amount/severity of content taken, nature of work, and market influence need to be evaluated.
Traja01
Indeed. Damages are a jury question and not really relevant to our discussion here.
Jusmar
1. Derivative works can only be done by the rights holder unless under fair use, which then can only be done for parody or education.
Traja01
Right, which is why I was saying it's likely not her copyright in the first place (and therefore she has no claim of infring.)
GorgeousGen
You're thinking of IP, this is more of a DMCA sort of issue.
Traja01
IP is an umbrella term and covers, in the US, copyright, patent, trade secret, and trademark.
dasklaus
Not hers alone, no. Doesn't mean it can be used commercially (as in: for advertisement).
Traja01
Correct (mostly). But essentially what I'm saying is that she has no right to complain. It's not her copyright to enforce.
dasklaus
It is. Hers is a derivative work, but her part in it is recognisable and clearly reaches treshold of originality. Both the creator of the 1/
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original meme and the artist here have a claim. Even Domino's has, because they traced it themselves. 2/2
Jusmar
3. IMO a tracing of a cartoon used for commerical purposes shared on social media is exploitive of the original work. It's infringement.
Traja01
If she has a derivative use right. Memes are an open question, as far as IP, for me anyway. Do we know who the original. holder is anyway?
Jusmar
You can't copyright the idea of the meme, The "guy looks at other girl" part is open to use.
Traja01
I'm not talking about the idea. Also why I used the qualifiers "likely" and "probably," because I'm not certain. Just raising arguments.
Jusmar
2. HOWEVER, if the owner of source image lost his damn mind he could attempt to go after the ones that used his image with just text.
Traja01
Agree with the "lost his damn mind."
GorgeousGen
This. This. This. People don't seem to understand the idea isn't the issue, it's the literally traced art.
Sadacchi
Its not traced though. The white dots on the pepperoni, the length of fingers, the ladies eyes. It was drawn to look similar, not a trace
Traja01
I understand that. But her work is likely a derivative use of the original meme, meaning she isn't the copyright holder. Arguably, she's
Traja01
actually infringed. Memes are an open question, though, AFAIK. The original meme format might be public domain.
EverydayIdleness
Dominos can afford lawyers, they'll never even care I expect.
HTButterBunsofSteel
Well, our suit against them for better fuel comp, technically didn't end well for them.
yeoldestudio
They took the artwork. Blatantly breached copyright, used it for profitable gains. Dominos is in the wrong.
glear
Much easier to pay the artist couple thousands instead of hiring expensive lawyers imo
MrWolfwood
You must not know how laws & lawyers work
Sallvo623
Lol, you don’t SUE! If you want to hurt them, make it public as fuck. Get it on TV, and radio. Public Exposure Erodes that cockiness
gaenaralhonk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5A0pg4oN8
scottjaeger
If they're smart they'll retract the comic and apologize. at that level, it all means more publicity and more money for them.
Dagrfinn
They could also afford to pay the original artist. What would they want like 50-100$ IF that? That FAR cheaper than lawyers.
vorodar
If the art is going be used for advertisement, it can cost more.
Dagrfinn
While I agree it would/should be worth more, I bet the surprise of Domino's offering to pay would stop the creator from asking for much.
MistressLyda
True. But say 500-1000, and a "this is made by -artist name", and you get a far better customer relation than with this kind of stunt.
SailorHg
She posted to her Instagram story that Dominos took their post down, but they haven't contacted her about the incident.
aykyle
IF they end up contacting, the best they'd do is offer free pizza coupons.
SaltEverywhere
They literally replied to her memes are memes, they give zero fucks
tigerspacecreator
Easier to make it public and affect the corporate image rather than taking them to court. Spread the word!
InJenius
DMCA is a thing. Also there are law firms chomping at the bit to take on a corporation like dominos
daqueso
First of all, it's champing at the bit. Horses champ. https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/225693c2-fd33-4bd6-8c5d-1c947ccff033
cosonfused
And if the artist is lucky, she'll get $100 of the $100.000 settlement
GDSTEVE
*champing at the bit
TurtleOnTheRocks
One of my favorite things in the world is when large corporations get rightfully sued
Isthe4thtimethecharm
The problem is if they lose they find a way to make paying it back ridiculously long and complicated.
iarecow
Like paying the settlement entirely in dominoes pizzas.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
And then bribe politicians to make "tort reform" and make sure it never happens again remember when McDonald's coffee fused a woman's labia?
JVNK
Say what now?
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
It wouldn't get that far. The best they can do is send a C&D. Dominos did not profit from the use of the image. At least, not in any-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
way that's easy to prove.
AdventureRoomba
This
Katalliaan
As far as I'm aware, use of the DMCA doesn't require the offender to profit from it.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Which is why there's a legal basis for sending a C&D. Some people are saying "sue", but no lawyer would take a lawsuit for this.
GDSTEVE
I bet Dominos would drop 10k to get a signed waiver. It's worth looking into. After lawyer and taxes, kid might be able to buy a pizza.
DROlD
Ofcourse would, the one who wants justice and not just money
TallDude
Still costs a ton to go to court at a slim chance of winning.
Belckan
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InJenius
Luckily DMCA can be arbitrated just with an appeal to the FCC. Its not hard to get it taken down
DevonGronka
Civil court is mostly a privilege for the wealthy at this point. Especially when the resources are so different.
chrismofer
looks like much better than a slim chance.
chrismofer
i would bet if you actually sued they would settle out of court for a nice amount.
Ruhig
You might find some that will do it "free", with the expectation that if they win, they will keep the majority of the award.
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
So it depends what you want. If you're after money then yeah, you're shit outta luck. If you want to make them pay then trust me, setting 1/
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
a precedent against them is the thing they're MOST afraid of. Winning a case is a big punishment to them. 2/2
Foxxeface
Thats when you roll in with a contract that says "in the event of a positive outcome, 100% of your payment will be incurred via publicity"
Ruhig
Ha ha, like they'd let you write the contract.
thezblah
then they just won't take the case or laugh you out of the office
Woppledorf
They stole the Noid also. You won’t get jack out of it.
Sthawwaths
Source?
zombiebatman
I see no similarity between the two. #clarkkenteffect
NickRivieraMD
That's just...complete bullshit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noid
newsguycraigevans
But if they hadn't we would never have gotten that sweet Noid NES game.
bobtheaxolotl
Stole it from who? Everything I can find says it was invented by an ad company for them in 86.
emmalaneb
AdventureRoomba
These commercials were before my time, so I never got the reference in this episode. After reading that article I do, though. Crazy story
spLagger
I had the NES game Yo! Noid
newsguycraigevans
I posted before I saw this. I thought I was the only one that had that game!
wardenda
Me too!
threalbigC
Fucking loved that game.
spLagger
was pretty fun, surprisingly good from those odd food branded games like Mc Kids.
BearToof
I’m not seeing anything about them stealing the Noid. It looks like there was some dude with the last name Noid that didn’t like it though
GorgeousGen
Yeah, he was A "Noid"! Get it?! Seriously though he held up a Dominoes Pizza for several hours.
BadamWarlock
Sounds like he was fucking crazy, too. Probably best to avoid that guy.
chilachinchila
He's dead. Suicide.
7thor8thcaw
Read up on why the Noid campaign was removed. Crazy story.
GorgeousGen
If I remember correctly, it involved a crazy guy who thought they were mocking him and, like, a bomb threat or something.
chilachinchila
Hostage taking and suicide
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
To clarify, he was committed to an institution, and then committed suicide there 3 months later.
PoppinLochNessHopster
I heard that story on Gamegrumps.
Smittywerbenjagermenjenson
There are dozens of us. Dozens!
7thor8thcaw
Bingo. Crazy stuff.
ImProbablyWrong
Damn, guess they a-noid the wrong guy
Snooj
Holy crap, I never knew about that. One more piece of interesting trivia.
pmmeniceboobs
for the lazy https://priceonomics.com/how-dominos-pizza-lost-its-mascot/
PigsWeGetWhatPigsDeserve
Thanks! Interesting read!
Imalwaysready
Ugggh. This isn't an audio file. You promised me this link was for me and now I gotta read with my eye holes and stuff?
AdventureRoomba
I got you. Mascot’s name was Noid. Ad campaign ensues with the slogan Avoid the Noid. Dude with last name Noid holds up a Dominos store 1/2
SaintMaceToTheFace
Eww. I HATE when people expect me to listen to a video explaining shit. Takes twice as long
AdventureRoomba
Demanding money and shit. He’s apprehended, found innocent because of insanity, and stays in a mental hospital for 3 months. Kills himself
TwoCheese
I prefer to read. I don’t like to hear other people talk that much. But I am in customer service so..
SaintMaceToTheFace
Same on the reading but
OptimusPantry
The noids super pizza shootout? That seems in bad taste...
cluckythehorse
i know lol. Seems as though Dominos knew what they were doing.
goldars
I mean the OC is a copy of a meme. It’s copyception. Someone go deeper.
ManInTheBox21
There's no PP left for this move!
steviedrawsdinos
If they had reposted it, that would be fine. Source preferred, but fine. But they traced and recolored to try to hide the copying.
scroll142
maxwilder
Nah, the OC is original art inspired by the meme. Seriously, that’s not “copying”.
bpetersen
Funny how the stock image doesn't sue imgur for all the memes used with it...
LetsGoDeeper
Hhnnng
piratica108
There's got to be a threshold though. Like all art is just taking something and adding yourself to it, but dominoes added almost nothing
Traja01
There is, but it's kinda squishy, so it's usually a matter for a jury.
rookiefdb
so if i draw a meme instead of use a meme creator it is art?
piratica108
I would say it's still art, but it would probably be bad art
rookiefdb
So I'm a bad artist? Hell yeah. Stop stealing my confession bear "paintings"
TubbaLubbaDubDub
True but they literally just recolored the art
Traja01
But it means that the artist here can't enforce copyright because it's not her copyright to enforce. In fact, one could argue she violated
Traja01
the original copyright (if one could be said to attach) because the pizza meme is a "derivative work," and copyright protects that.
theyar
Yeah but if the original wasn't very original, which it wasn't, then all bets are off.
Treblaine
Except it's not even a trace, look at the hairline, the nose, her shoulder... too many differences for a trace.
TubbaLubbaDubDub
??? There are so many similarities that it is definitely a trace. Layer them ontop of each other and see
Treblaine
Transformative Works clause of copyright law gives a lot of leeway, also, if they didn't think their work was worth copyrighting they're SOL
KartFnocker
It's weird, since it's clearly redrawn--so if you're gonna do that anyway why not redraw it more substantially and avoid this situation??
tohubohu
The guy went from asian to caucasian though
garmagor
You clearly never worked at Domino's friend.
mallywanders
It's not redrawn. The body of the guy and the entirety of the girl are the same. They made stylistic changes to the line styles for things
mallywanders
The the pizza, changed the guy's hair, and changed colors, but most of the lines are directly copied from the original.
Xplode441
It was redrawn, they used the original as a reference. The lines don't 100% match up on the outlines and the inside lines.
Taril
Well, isn't the entire point to copy the meme? At which point, it's hard to argue that the art was copied and wasn't just coincidental 1/2
Taril
When recreating, in drawing, a particularly well known meme. 2/2
Requiemcliff
I'd typically agree, but by making that drawing, its that womans technicall original work, same joke, but its her own designs 1/2.
Rogahar
In this instance it's -very- hard to argue. https://imgur.com/0pWlkA1 They moved things ever so slightly but the artwork itself is traced.
PenusColadasAllAround
That's what happens when you post your work on social media for the entire world to see. It gets stolen.
Etazin
That’s what happens when you post your work on social media for the entire world to see. It gets stolen.
PenusColadasAllAround
IZ42
Doesn't mean it's not plagiarism and shouldn't be treated as such.
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skywards
it is.
ScientificInvestigator
To jump in here, if you created the work you always hold copy write over it no matter where you share it