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ToobleBobbin
I know you’re making a point here, but #3 explains some of the call center customer service I’ve been getting in my life
edgeman
Why is Nortel and Northern Telecom listed separately?
HonestCatContentReviews
USA, the dystopian novel that writes itself
drcookieninja
Who knew, the US never got rid of plantations. Just turned them into prison labor camps instead!
thecomfycat
Gotta go after the prison system along with the police
StarscreamAndHutch
Watch 13th on netflicks
NoSirIDoNotHaveBoloneyInMyPants
Just watched it. HO-LY FUCK.
DianNaoChong
I'm scarred that if Covid decimates prisons they are going to look to fill those beds in for profit prisons
IHitMetalForALiving
I’m a sheet metal worker and a member of the sheet metal workers union. Everything we install must be made by a union shop in USA. That...
IHitMetalForALiving
Is why we need strong workers unions in America because with regulations like that company’s couldn’t insource work to prisoners.
Bertisyourgodnow
It's roughly 1.5 days off your time, with pay on your books. Less time with income. They deserve better income.
BrazilianThunderPanda
Prisons should pay minimum wage for external work. It’s not fair for companies to compete against prison w/ slave labor.
omegabritton
This is what corporate control looks like and we have never as a society been honest with ourselves about it
hcits
Well done America
blackrasputin
The following goods are brought to you by slave labor: denim, rice, cotton, electronics, nuts, chocolate, drugs, prostitutes, fish, etc...
TheHorseShesElbowDeepIn
All that profit. This too is one of the reasons we have out of control police forces. The profit incentive.
trapperjohnmd
It’s called unchecked capitalism
abrownangel2
Prisoners here with the potential to rehabilitate are taught skills to get a job once they've completed their course and sentence.
foredcreation
Former attorney for a major marijuana company. We shared the same powerful lobbyist as private prison trade group. They don’t care about 1/2
foredcreation
Also, Jeff sessions legit hates weed. The private prison industry was a major contributor, especially via ALEC. But, separate issues
foredcreation
2/2 weed. Arrests remained same in conservative states that legalized. Private prisons also make $$$ housing alien detainees.
MyNeighborTotodile
Colorado removed this “loophole” from the Constitution of Colorado in 2018. We’re trying to do better!
StellaZaFella
Doesn’t the National constitution supersede an individual state’s?
minuteye
Only when it's stricter.
MyNeighborTotodile
Yes, but at least now our state constitution is no longer complicit
Fairdinkums
Stop me if I'm wrong, but I think you guys need to completely overthrow your government and start again. A whole new set of amendments.
taghashtag
USA is like a bronze giant on clay legs
MrZev
If this were all true, sure. But it's not.
PhailRaptor
Keep the core principles of the amendments, but... clean all of this crap that got snuck in there when nobody was looking.
SentientDumpsterfire
Unfortunately that's not how it works, such an undertaking would destroy the value of the society. You think it's bad now?
grazaoth
Would be interesting to see if the US just implodes and crumbles or actually becomes a legit good place.
CairoLen
I'm sure that's what the Loyalists said.
SentientDumpsterfire
Look, you guys can do whatever, maybe someone of value will rise from the ashes. It's not the 18th century anymore though, the collateral
SentientDumpsterfire
Damage would be absolutely catastrophic, guaranteed to end Americas run as the #1 super power. I really really suggest you try harder going
SentientDumpsterfire
The more conventional route before going nuclear, thats not rly something youll be able to stop once started
anthony127061
Your name is very fitting
CairoLen
You think the collateral damage of the revolution wasn't absolutely catastrophic? Because it was.
Compound515
Is it optional to work, like can you just serve your time in the prison instead of on a farm working?
BlackIC
Technically, yes. But that can mean not getting any 'luxuries' from the commissary. And what that means will depress, but not surprise you.
pvtwestbrook86
"Optional" is kind of a loaded term when you're in a complex full of killers and rapists and given the opportunity to get away for a while.
nojustsayitdont
No. You do what they tell you. They'll 'volunteer' you for Big Bubba Buttreemers cell, or just solitary.
ckmomma
It is completely optional
iHero86
Jesus fuck, America is broken beyond repair.
TisIChenoir
I'd argue it's working exactly as intended...
iHero86
Yeah but whose intention was it?
drcookieninja
Not just America, the modern world needs to slow down and reevaluate priorities. Rethink our code of morality. But no, the system chugs on.
iHero86
I agree, but America is going down FAST.
grazaoth
Some do. But the system does like to chug on.
TheJewsHas
wait so if prisons aren't "full" then the state has to pay millions?? what kinda backwards ass contract.
inevermadeone
The prisions don't want to run at part capacity. They have to get investors to pay for the construction until they start making revenue. 1/²
inevermadeone
If they can't guarantee that the prison will be filled and profitable. Then the risk of investment is too high. So no prison is made2/²
inevermadeone
This would mean that when existing prison are filled and more people are sent with no bed open. The prison/state will have to release people
inevermadeone
Then the public gets mad that there are low level criminals no longer in prison. So they write to their govner to fix it.
pointsForNothing
The people that signed these contracts on the government side should pay these costs themselves.
TheJewsHas
I'm more curious if someone can get the contract and litigate it, people still commit crimes but to BS crimes and throw ppl in kinda lame
matthiasfactor
How the fuck is it safe for an offender to work call center while incarcerated? Whose bright idea was that?
coralto
Yeah like I call customer service and I covet connected to a sex offender? Thanks.
BosunMark
If they say something they are not supposed to, they get the shit beat out of them and a stint in solitary..
skincancerisfun
They're probably low security status. Not everyone is in jail for rape and murder. The vast majority are in their for something small
matthiasfactor
I know that. I’m questioning the entire process.
skincancerisfun
like stealing some pick n mix
onecowboytoo
Or having a dice that has 7 on one side.
skincancerisfun
Cubbie
I know of a place that hires prison workers to separate recycling. I was told to not worry about using the garbage or recycling bins 1/?
Cubbie
Outside my building, because of covid they are not letting the prisoners out so they shut down recycling center and they are just dumpin 2/?
Cubbie
In the landfill now. ? 3/3
TaintToucher
Is there anything we can buy that isnt made from slave labor or abused workers?
OliverClothesoff70
Yes. Fucking everything. This post is FULL of lies about manufacturing being done by prisoners. Completely made up bullshit.
NunyaBNess1
So you checked all of their sources and have proven them to be less than factual? What an incredible investigative journalist you are!
PhailRaptor
Basically just craftsman kind of things. Which are generally in low supply due to time for attention to detail, which makes price skyrocket.
eternalshinychrome
A lot of foreign businesses have manufacturing in the states. But it's a foreign company so people assume it's made elsewhere.
maximilianfragglebottom
Not cheaply! Capitalism is a nightmare.
BlueberryQuickjet
That's not a loophole or a bug, it's a feature.
Hemelsblauw
It's more than that slavery is abandoned in the US except for people in prison. 13th amendment.
AvatarTommyBee
"Land of the free"
ThomasThundersword
to be fair. the loophole is needed otherwise sentiences of forced public service would be unconstitutional. however to also be fair, there>
ThomasThundersword
is a much better way to carve out that particular exception without leaving it open to make space labor okay as long as you imprison first
MangoCookieRunner
I'm not from the US, can't they refuse to work?
quzar
Yes, but it does pay (however little) and many prisons will stop providing amenities (TV, store access, whatnot) or be punitive(illegal).
dekket
Ticket resolved: As Designed.
BaklavaMatatas
Dear America: What the actual fuck, every fucking day, what the fuck?! -Sincerely, everyone else
GenerallyLurkInBed
$$$ is all that matters. Oh and individual rights > the common good as long as those rights are conservative. Fuck the Electoral college.
UlfricStormtoke
OK. Let's fucking break it then.
wildcrab
- Todd Howard on 'Designing a Nation'
Scieron
I can understand labor in community service... planting trees, cleaning litter, painting graffiti.. but privatised corporate labor is BS.
idontknowhowthissiteworks
Not entirely. I see no reason they can't work. It gives them job skills and earns money. But less than a dollar a day is a hard no.
idontknowhowthissiteworks
We want to stop repeat offenders right? They need job skills and trade skills. And it's not healthy being locked in a cell 23 hrs a day.
Scieron
I absolutely agree. But the means are more important sometimes than the ends. I.e. working for a community you've harmed rather than a
Scieron
Corporation that's harmful. (I.e. Only exploiting your cheap labor)
idontknowhowthissiteworks
But if the labor wasn't so cheap it wouldn't be exploiting cheap labor is what I'm saying. It provides job training, skills, etc while still
bazookasoup
I get that the state gets to use the labour for state maintenance, but selling prison labour is insane. I wonder how many countries does it.
Animatronio
I'm sure prison is boring as shit so a chance to do something productive is an incentive for good behavior. Don't incentivize jailing people
Scieron
As reference, I was a C/O at a minimum sec prison... the inmates volunteered for outdoor work crews and generally enjoyed getting out a bit
Scieron
If not they generally did in house W/C i.e. ... inmate laundry, cooking, yard upkeep etc.
OliverClothesoff70
Have you ever witnessed the corporate slavery referenced here?
Scieron
I hadn't. But I will say... I've trained in other states etc and we're taught HIGHLY on de-escalation in WA. Other prisons its not as high
Scieron
A priority. And I never worked directly for any private prisons. Only state ran institutions.
drakewarnock
Yeah I can support all that stuff. Plus doing community service type things can help with rehabilitation because, well it gives them ties 1/
drakewarnock
2/ to the community. But forcing them to do work for some corporation is the opposite of that and pisses me off so much.
Scieron
Totally agree. Keeping inmates occupied and productive is good. But noit at their expense or for corporate profit. The way I saw it doing w
SeriousSeamstress
IDK if it is considered community service but CA uses inmates as firefighters. they get paid very little and put in high risk situations.
kakari
Those are coveted opportunities in the prisons and allow you to serve your sentence faster based on a docu report I saw on them years ago.
SeriousSeamstress
I was wondering about if it was volenteer based but ran out of text space. I didn't know about it reducing sentences though which is nice.
Scieron
Yeah, our prison did the same. But basically they weren't in any harms way they dug and fire breaks etc and it was also voluntary.
SeriousSeamstress
That's good. Forests fires can spread so quickly it's never completely safe. It's still really physical work and the pay seems too low. :/
Scieron
But also this was 15 yrs ago & Washington State I worked for...so we never saw fires like in Cali...so my knowledge is very limited.
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SeriousSeamstress
I figured it was volunteer base but wasn't sure. It's sounds like the program works well but it still doesn't pay much $ for how hard it is.
MaevaJade
And they can't even get a job as a firefighter when they get out of prison. It is ridiculous.
SeriousSeamstress
I've heard they are passing bills to fix that. It'd still be hard to get a firefighter job when they have prisoners that will work for less.
Scieron
That's more of a correlation not equaling causation example. Cause by that same argument it could be said civilian volunteer firefighters
Scieron
Are in essence taking jobs. But the reality is you don't need 200 firefighters every day... but you do need the help when things get bad.
steve1907
I don't think it was ever a 'loophole'
redzombie
Whole Foods gets it Tilapia from outside of the USA. Used to be a seafood purchaser.
fuckyouyoufuckingfuckedupfuckingfuck
Colorado recently banned private prisons
kevinallover
Not to mention 3com and TWA no longer exist.
andwings2go
ATT is union, ain’t no way the union is allowing the call center be replaced by prisoners. Wonder if this whole post is BS
Leolove01
AT&T contracts out to other agencies. I worked for 2 temp companies doing AT&T tech support and got paid way less than actual AT&T employees
andwings2go
That’s only allowed during times of growth and Corp has to actively hire unless show contractors are needed temporarily. Post says since 93
tomattow
Sounds like ATT is lying to their unions, shocking, they totally screwed my FIL's retirement after 35 yrs there.
tomattow
He started with MaBell and went through the Lucent merger to end being SW. They Royally screwed him. Had to work as a mechanic after retirin
Leolove01
I was contracted by a temp agency that was contracted by another temp agency that was contracted by AT&T. To help cover up how many of us
Leolove01
We’re doing tech support for AT&T. I knew people that worked there for 10+ years. That’s a long time to be growing.
eliottsworld
Were you in a private prison at the time?
Leolove01
No I wasn’t. I was just pointing out that large companies do a lot of things they Rent supposed to or things they say they aren’t doing
nonCanadianGoose
$12/lb for tilapia is a crime all on its own
dickable
Tilapia is a crime all on its own.
popejubal
If tilapia didn't make me sick, I'd say it's worth it. Best tasting thing I've ever had in my mouth. I seem to be allergic to it, though. :(
solutionorppt
Try literally any other fish in the sea; they're all better than tilapia.
popejubal
There’s no accounting for taste. When I look at my past romantic partners, the tilapia makes sense.
MrKomisiripala
Tilapia is the name some restaurants use when they can’t ID the fish. In farms, the tanks are so overcrowded it’s sickening. I never eat it
IDrinkAndIKnowThings
I said the exact same thing.
BulletToofTony
They use tilapia in striped bass farms to eat all the other fish shit so the tanks are clean.. Then sell the tilapia to be eaten
Festivaltrout
Tilapia is fed chicken shit from my understanding
notacobra
Tilapia is literally trash catfish. It's about the worst fish you can buy that's still TECHNICALLY edible. Poor nutrition, awful taste.
TacoBellBody
It’s whole foods. They up-charge water by putting asparagus stalks in it
popeyeNL
If somebody buys it, it's a good idea!
wnxkrayzie
Tastes like mud
mcriblet420
Coasts Rican Mudfish
Ilovebuns
Catfish tastes more like mud. Tilapia tastes like nothing. I prefer catfish hands down.
nonCanadianGoose
Blue/channels cats are delicious. They eat more live feed than farm raised which is a mix of corn/animal meal
BigTruckRegularPenis
I catchy a few last weekend. Fried em up and made fish tacos. They were so good.
CidColetti
Yeah, tilapia only tastes like whatever its cooked with.
Nunyajonesinc
That's why we call it Whole Paycheck
FremenDar007
Fucking right.
nonCanadianGoose
Cheese is a fair price if I didn’t know a wholesale #r
warmNchewey
I worked there for 3.5 years...the pay was fucken shit and the raises were nonexistent. Fuck whole foods!
atalleywak5
Tilapia are the aquatic equivalent of cockroaches.
Royalflush908
I mean shrimp are. But tilapia is a nasty Fucking fish anyway. I had to fillet them in the market I used to work at. Hate em now.
Cr0w
How are they different from other fish
Royalflush908
They just are. Lol. But realistically they are raised to be able to grow in pretty much mud and detritus so they tend to be quite nasty.
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KnifeKnut
Lightly fried fish fillets?
Royalflush908
Have you ever seen a tilapia whole, it's a nasty fugly ass fish with spines that stick in you if you grab em wrong. Fuck those bastards
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Royalflush908
As I said above, i used to sell seafood in a small market, my most hated fish was by far tilapia. Catfish a close second though,
Royalflush908
Fillets were fine but whole those bastards were the worst, I've been stabbed more times than I can count.
nonCanadianGoose
I only ever get the Japanese brand. Even then, it’s still not $12/lb
OldSchoolNewRules
Do you think we would still eat lobsters if they lived on land?
PeanutButter4Life
Good point
nonCanadianGoose
Yea, why not?
Poopoopeepeevagina
The fish that eats it’s own poop.
AfatCatnamedHiggins
They have Tilapia on the space station, they feed them astronaut poop in case they run out of food.
nonCanadianGoose
Almost all farm fish eat their own poop
Mentok
Prison reform is as needed as police reform
NagateT17
The states as a whole need a reform, and unfortunately they're no the only part of the world that does, and I'm not just talking about china
explainer
Id say you need USA reform
WolfRamX4
Baby steps...
Becker37
The whole system is a shit show. It needs to be dismantled so we can start over
RelartOfGivia
They go hand in hand
dirtcreature
Don't forget people reform!
IronicDancing
Sounds like you guys need a revolution.
WTFantastico
We need a people reform.
dekket
*laughs in asshole*
uitSCHOT
The whole country needs a reform
Mopey
No fucking kidding. I had no idea the prison workforce operated like that.
minqapoc
People not knowing this is a problem worth reforming itself.
cardman
As an American I promise you we can do one thing at a time at most.
AggroMonster
Revolt? Revolt is one single thing.
grazaoth
And thats the one they know how to do! Because its mostly being angry, shouting and breaking things near them.
iAmLordBeer
AT MOST.
hardlyfatal
And barely that.
Sdogofdoom
Prison reform, police reform, education reform, insurance reform, health care reform, isp reform, there are so many legal scams here.
theMonkeyTrap
cradle to the grave monopolies and scams if you take a moment to think & evaluate.
AggroMonster
Corporate reform, religious reform, government reform. Specifically, get corporations and religions OUT of government.
Rocknswimmer116
It’s almost like they don’t protect our right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness like we stated a government should in the DoI
BaklavaMatatas
Ngl from over the pond the US have looked like a dumpster fire for over a decade. Glad you guys came around to see it.
Zyrixion
StrangePoster
It's almost like the profit motive of capitalism is the problem.
AggroMonster
You spelled "almost /s" wrong.
thisismyimgurname
Profit > People is how we got here. And why the greedy people are continuing to win.
PyllyNalleMissionaries
Time to overthrow the government
AggroMonster
Yeah - and you see Antifa mentioned with the rioting. The rest of the population should be mad as hell, too. Not yet..?
agonarch
There's no official "antifa HQ" or government so it's really hard to prove you're not involved, it's an excuse to arrest people.
grazaoth
Sounds like pro-antifa propaganda. That still legal in the states?
AggroMonster
So yeah, just like there's only a couple bad cops at the riot, I'm sure there's only a couple bad antifa. LOL
Nolfelix115
Isn’t ANTIFA an ideology doesn’t it stand for anti fascist? I truly have no clue.
grazaoth
Just hit the reset, might be easier.
MelodiousDissonance
And political reform, and education reform, and healthcare reform, and labor reform, it gets dizzying
eLONSREDROCKEt
How the fuck do we have 2.4 million people in prison. Jesus Christ.
aTallIrishman
Right? Especially with over 8 million crimes committed annually. You'd think it would be more.
SeniorFade
Because the Government needs more profit Damn it!
Hithae
because the rich control everything that gives money and power. America especially is so fucked up. Devils' playground.
darksniperknight
GlobularCloyster
I thought it would be more
Caramster
Capitalism
Whyalwaysme1
In whole Europe there are about 1.6 million people in prison.
pip1
Because you're a shit nation controlled by shit people
LowFatBatman
God Damnit hey buddy, hey ... Listen here .... No one makes us see our own failures .... No one!
PenguinNamedWobbles
Not that surprising really. Its less than 1 percent of the population. Im surprised its not higher with the amount that is let slide.
Croatoan45
Prison is designed to keep you there or have you come back because you can't make anything of yourself after you get out. Its terrible.
cadburyegg
There are more slaves in today's prison system than the highest level of slavery in pre-abolition America.
MinorityOpinion
That's less than 1%. For comparison, about 1% are psychopaths.
LokeGroundrunner
Ever hear of the "War on drugs"? As if you can fight drugs lol it was a war against the people.
Sigge1981
Ifyouthinkimseriousyoumissedthejoke
Land of the free. (disclaimer: land may not be free and 1% of its populace can be incarcerated at any time, may contain nuts)
CarbonNight
Its easy when you make budget cuts to education making students more likely to give up and resort to crime. It also with the help of cops
ToobleBobbin
People bad.
jao004
as somebody who works in a fed prison, its not some basic drug charges, most are murder, terrorism, murder for hire, sex assault
NiumZ
Land of the free - highest percentage of population incarcerated world wide! 0.7% of Americans are in prison, it's insane...
NiumZ
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm
dekket
This post is literally the reason.
Insomnia297
Biggest prison population in the world. Or highest rate of incarceration. Idr.
TychoTychoAlba
Because your country is designed that way.
InHarajuku
More than China.
ywmqm
More than any other nation... by a lot.
EmCeeMiNacion
Did you not just read how?
thisismyimgurname
‘Mercia!!! (I’m so ashamed of us fir manyyyy things. Including this)
Scotia
You live in a dystopia that teaches its citizens the lie of "we're the greatest country in the world." Not enough question the reality.
MrHailstone
Because you have privat prisons. The whole idea is really stupid. Prisons shouldnt run for profit
caine224
Because ppl on imgur get furious when white collar crimes dont lead to 15 yr sentences, any crime they dont like doesnt give life, etc.
edwardbiebesheimer
Need the cheap labor yo.
LuminousExpanse
(gestures to the post) money
Sm9yCg
Slavery.
SonOfKazar
Half the population of my province.
jonlememe
Yeah, really land of the free ain’t it...
superunderpants
More slave labour = more profit
starzers
About 1% of US population. The US jails more citizens per 100,000 people than any other country on the planet. More than China, Russia, etc
capnsebastian
America needs liberation from its corporate overlords
Ikwilstroopwaffels
This. Stop punching right and left. Punch up.
ThomasHarris111
Weren't you reading? Lol
Halenmars
That's.... almost half my country's population...
ElusiveThing
Around the same as the population of our capital's metropolitan area and the next two largest cities combined, then some spare change on top
ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
You mean, "How the fuck do we, in fucking 2020, have 2.4 million slaves, almost all of them people of color?"
always1haveparis
Black people are disproportionately represented by 5.1 times but are not the majority. 62% of the prison population are white. 1/2
always1haveparis
I agree with the sentiment, but it's vital to have all the facts otherwise legitimate arguments can be diminished with semantics. 2/2
SillyGoat
Because it's lucrative.
jamie20369000
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sykoticflaw
People over profits. That's the way it's been for a long time; we just turned a blind eye to it until now
eLONSREDROCKEt
Watched. It makes sense that people want to “defund” the police. I just wish they used a different term. It grabs attention but people 1/2
eLONSREDROCKEt
Are using it as a way to say “they want to eliminate all police”.
shmekie
Bc those people are idiots. Defund means to take money from, not eliminate, or we’d say eliminate police.
BozoThePie
I have seen plenty of videos of people chanting "no more police"
Bioman998
Plenty of folks saying abolish the police too
slinkiisu
Prisons make money off prisoners. Look up the occasion when a prison threatened to shut down if they didn't get enough new prisoners.
StigsMilwaukeeCousin
In a better world a prison shutting down would be seen as a good thing.
slinkiisu
I hate that it isn't
Raisethebass
The penal system is absolutely abhorrent, partly because of people in charge. Ever heard of Kids for Cash?
slinkiisu
It sounds familiar, I think I remember it... But not what it was
Raisethebass
Basically, two judges were getting kickbacks for sending high school kids to jail between yrs of 2000-2007. Real fucked up shit.
worldsbiggestnickelbackfan
Watch 13th on Netflix
infiniteshotz
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tookerder
Just watched the other day, very compelling and sheds a lot of light on this issue
StalinForTime
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ThePunishersVengefulBrother
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Midnightwhiskey
*need to
worldsbiggestnickelbackfan
Should be a required watch in high school
letmesetthisstraight
Or Just Mercy with Jamie Foxx
AvocadoHouse
I think it’s free to stream now
letmesetthisstraight
Correct we watched it for free lastnight, it was very good and very infuriating. Coming from an all white town it’s hard to comprehend
theNilbogTroll
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Nekroit
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DaniePants
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RedWingedBlackbirds
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jukicat8512
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shakefu
Well police have illegal quotas. They fill those quotas with whatever brown people they find. Mandatory mins and 3-strikes make absurd time
aTallIrishman
Suuuure they do. It's honestly scary how many think this is true.
NaughtButOne
Sort of on board with 3 strikes, aside from 3 being entirely arbitrary, but mandatory minimum sentences need to be gone, and pardoned.
AbeoLogos
Prior convictions are already considered during sentencing. 3 strike laws are arbitrary, often surprisingly ambiguous, and unneeded.
shakefu
Watch the John Oliver on 3-strikes it’s abhorrent
NaughtButOne
I can only find him speaking about mandatory minimums. Would take a link, if you have one.
AlltheSarcasm87
https://youtu.be/pDVmldTurqk life sentence for stealing a cookie as a 3rd strike
Kringon
So crimes that would yield 3 years of prison time should yield life in prison, as long as they were committed three separate times?
shakefu
It’s literally any 3rd crime is a life sentence
NaughtButOne
3rd strike only applies to violent felonies. Otherwise, yes. How many times does someone need to demonstrate they can't operate in society?
AlltheSarcasm87
https://youtu.be/pDVmldTurqk dude stole A cookie for his 3rd strike...
Kringon
In California, burglary or possession of drugs counts as violent. I believe in a prison system built on reform, not punishment.
Kringon
People can change, given the opertunity