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Jan 20, 2022 8:34 AM
lurkyouallnightlong
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/eric-trump-fifth-amendment-fraud-b1996379.html?amp.
GoodMorro
The Trumps Blow goats, I have proof
hotdoginathermos
itsthevoiceman
"You go high, we go low": https://youtu.be/MAbab8aP4_A
smcskater89
Jesus Christ can we just put these traitors in jail and let the convicts handle them?!?! Wtf is the problem?
ahernandez
For all of the clintons’s faults the trumps have somehow mimicked every Clinton tabloid story, seemingly to prove they can do it worse
LadybugJuju
I'm no fan of Hilary, but thus does seem pretty telling...
ATLandNerdy
God bless the 5th amendment, not going to condemn it because I hate the orange menace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
FoxAffair
Wait a minute... you're not insinuating that the Trump family are criminals, are you??
Thajurriesexcuesed
No, they have insinuated it themselves...
fivefrozenfishfingers
Remember when Trump laundered money for the Russian mafia 1,300 times? https://youtu.be/TVHREXNyOyc
JustinMcPharison
Bernie was never under any sort of investigation...
technicallycorrectbutnofunatparties
So is Ivanka's apartment named Eric, or both Eric and Ivanka's apartment pled the 5th??
ifernandez242
Yeah that's up with her apartment??? ? I was hoping someone had the answer in the comments
MyNameIsBlood
Buttery Mails
PetiteMortAuFromage
Buttery males
stlouiscardinalsfan7
Delicious
NoFather
Republicans hate her because her husband cheated on her and she's a woman who's good at her job.
BroBummel
Name one good thing she did as Secretary of State.
snixsys
Buttery Males
ExplainsTheReasoningBehindHowHeVotes
January 6th 2021. Republicans are getting away with it. Dems take 1%er money with repubs. Cops? no comment needed. www.socialistRA.org
ExplainsTheReasoningBehindHowHeVotes
We're on our own. Good luck everyone. stay frosty. Love each other. Stop fighting the 1%s wars against yourselves. Appreciate your time.
chucklemore
Honohndeos
Lol America has a 5th amendment. Answer the questions you fucking scrub
Piperr
The lack of a 5th amendment would be terrifying. Simply misspeaking could end up with you in prison.
BelleBreaker
https://youtu.be/WbozDBM67lY
MeasuredByFive
Our government needs a overhaul, new blood no parties . Just Americans who work with people FOR THE PEOPLE.
azzabat
George Washington said the worst thing that could happen to the New Republic was that it devolved into a 2 party state.
technicallycorrectbutnofunatparties
Agreed, but tough to do. Best chance of this: https://www.forwardparty.com/
gentleleader
Holy cow- I hadn’t taken Yang seriously, but that was pretty good. Still don’t think a 3rd party is the way to go, but he hit the nail on…
bekkayya
yang is almost completely incoherent politically. please look further into his actual policy. liberalism is not the end of history 1/2
bekkayya
and you cant "be a centrist" by choosing the midpoint between white supremacists and civil rights.
Eramik
How many times was his answer "shumvel"?
gdex86
This is actually a bad example. Both Clinton's dealt with Republicans drilling down through every part of their lives over a real estate
gdex86
They only lost a bit of money on and had a sitting president sit to answer questions about a wholely unrelated consentual blow job he got.
unclesporky
Personally I plead the 18th
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
Is that one "Any officer caught sniffing the saddle of the exercise bicycle in the women's gym will be discharged without trial."?
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnvUIaoEdq4
AndrewS816
The laws apply to thee, but not to me - Every Republican Ever
LaffertyDanie1
oldmarley
mm, shocking: https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4e3636b2-9b34-4a7f-8c25-6a125b95b685
ArkoneAxon
Meanwhile, y'all are acting just like Trump. "If someone pleads the Fifth, that means they MUST be guilty! Only bad guys plead the Fifth!"
ArkoneAxon
(and I can't wait to see how many downvotes I get from people screaming the same arguments used to convict 14 year old George Stinney)
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Pleeby
Ugh it's been a while since I heard that wankstain speak, forgot how annoying his voice is
Mayfly10
I kept him on mute. Thank fuck for subtitles.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
I’m sorry you had to go through that. By way of apology here’s a version just for you.
FBKatB3tadotcom1
realmonster
No, we won’t vote for Hilary. Stop trying to butter us up. No more legacy names
Nova5269
That's good because there's rumors she's running again in 2024 under the idea that we'll "learn from our mistakes" and vote for her because
Nova5269
"We know what happened last time we didn't". *insert "how many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man" gif*
FMan5
The point of this post is not if we would vote for Hillary. It's that Democrats testify, Republicans hide. Character versus criminals.?
BroBummel
Tell that to Eric Holder.
Youhavinagiraffe
We can update this meme with Biden after the GOP win back the house and force him to testify for 11 hours about his son having a laptop
TheobromineAddict
I totally see this happening.
ucandcantunc
Honestly , she would have been better for everyone than that orange shister.
dank69
I, too, make my decisions on who to vote for based on the names of the candidates, and not the policies they support.
BroBummel
That's how we get Bush 2, Trump, JEB, etc., in addition to any Clintons or Kennedys that want power
JoeT85
Maybe if only to avoid another Trump presidency, but that's the only reason reason.
f0622
For the non Americans here, what is the 5th amendment?
BroBummel
Part of the Bill of Rights under the Constitution: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment
BroBummel
It says a bunch of things (it is a dense paragraph), but the relevant part is that the gov't can't compel you to incriminate yourself
BroBummel
From this we get the famous Miranda warning, which makes police remind you that you don't need to talk to them
BroBummel
This is good for innocent as well as guilty people
ifernandez242
I'm not a lawyer but I'll try - means you have the right to not incriminate yourself when put on trial or questioned in an official capacity
Piperr
And since anything you say can accidentally wrongfully incriminate you, you have the right to not testify against yourself at all.
Piperr
(I only specify cause of another commenter, want to make clear it does not imply guilt in any way.)
ifernandez242
Yes very important aspect to the amendment, thanks for the backup!
UnattendedDeviant
Note to rigthwingers, taking 5th doesn't just say "I don't want to answer". Legally it says "the info I give could link me to crime/s".
mrsdowneyjr
Yeah, you can't just plead the fifth of it doesn't implicate you
xj4low
That's all the nanny told him to say while in the big scary room.
Piperr
Note to you, ANY info you give could link you to crime/s, so its functionally "i dont want to answer".
Piperr
Its still often very sus, particularly in cases like this, but it doesnt imply any belief that what you would say is incriminating.
SpiritAnimalisBruceCampbell
Note to literally _everyone_ in America: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
BroBummel
No. It is your right not to provide information. Even SCOTUS acknowledges that innocent people frequently talk themselves into convictions
BroBummel
A reminder, NEVER talk to the police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
BroBummel
James Duane would also say to be polite and don't be a dick at a traffic stop
BroBummel
"No Person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"
DarkUranium
But judges to tend to ignore that in some cases. E.g. there's been a case of contempt of court due to a guy refusing to disclose (1/?)
DarkUranium
... hard disk encryption keys. (2/2)
BroBummel
This is tr...oh, fuck, Louis Anderson died, too. FUCK
DaierMune
But specifically linked to crimes you have not been accused of, correct? You can't say "I refuse to testify because I'm guilty"
oepix9000
Thanks for the info, as a non US, I was about to ask, what "the 5th" means.
Piperr
This is a bad, misleading way to learn it. Its more like "i don't want to testify against myself". Innocent people may wish to avoid (1/2)
Piperr
testifying even knowing they arent connected, because prosecutors will ensure "everything you say can and will be used against you".
Piperr
Many innocent people have been found guilty because they ran their mouth enough for a lawyer to find something to spin.
UnattendedDeviant
No problem. Here's the legal definition. https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/taking-the-fifth
penzick
Why the fuck do people keep downvoting this? It's literally just a link to the actual law.
UnattendedDeviant
Lol. I know right?
FrogBotherer
Yeah, it's the right to avoid self-incrimination, can't be used as evidence of guilt though. But it does look sketchy as fuck.
UnattendedDeviant
Legally you're claiming it could link me to a crime. You claim that when you believe you can belinked to crime. My only point.
UnattendedDeviant
https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/taking-the-fifth/
SavageDrums
It can in a civil suit. Which this is (for now).
tpanyS
Technically if it goes before a grand jury, they have wider range to 'interpret' such as it looks, don't they?
YoloMcSwagginsteinDaFith
So is asking for a lawyer when you are actually innocent and being interrogated. Yet..
supervillin
Interrogators are professional interrogators. Always hire a professional to defend against them.
storytaletime
I used to think this way until I listened to stories from The Innocence Project. Get a lawyer b/c some cops just want to close a case.
YoloMcSwagginsteinDaFith
And to a certain extent, its hard to blame the individual officer or detective. They are just trained in that way,
YoloMcSwagginsteinDaFith
It seems often enough the detective wasnt the one to arrest the culprit. So they have this person set in front of them and a crime.
YoloMcSwagginsteinDaFith
Innocent people incriminate themselves too often because they don't have someone coaching them on words to use with the law.
HasteTheFool
Oh, SURE. I KiLlEd ThEm AlL. No what are you doingIwasbeingsarcastic...
NoNameFred
"So, at the time of the murder, you were taking a long walk near the victim's house, with zero witnesses to confirm you didn't do it? Hmm…"
NoNameFred
Alternatively: Alice pushes Bob, who lands on Charlie's vase and breaks it. Lawyer asks Bob "Did you break the vase? Yes or No answers only"
FrogBotherer
Totally agreed, keeping quiet and asking for a lawyer are absolutely the right thing to do even when innocent.
BroBummel
This 1000 times. It is harmful to society that we equate "Taking the 5th" with guilt. Hell, that's why the Rittenhouse trial judge was /
UnattendedDeviant
Eric Trump said that 500 times. Let that sink in.
TurdBurglar3000
What the fuck does it want again?
UnattendedDeviant
For those ready to respond w/ "that doesn't mean he's admitting guilt", I never said he is. He's saying answers may incriminate him. Period
MargarineMeadows21
Legally speaking, it implies guilt. It can’t be used against him *criminally* but it can and does imply an inference of guilt civilly.
kittypoopappledrink
I wonder how many pop tarts it took to train him to always answer that.
Chalybos
Only 12, but they were the iced strawberry ones
kittypoopappledrink
I bet he thinks the frosted are too spicy and prefers the unfrosted ones
absoluttalent
Dr Nick "inflammable means flammable?? Since when?"
FeverandAgue
In fairness, that is pretty fucky that they mean the same thing.
draslin
Eh, it's about not incriminating yourself. "I hated him", could be used to establish motive in a murder, but the feeling isn't illegal.
UnattendedDeviant
I guess the legal definition is wrong then. https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/taking-the-fifth
draslin
Possibly a question of semantics. But what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I replied to my comment earlier to that effect too.
UnattendedDeviant
Glad you're admitting your argument is over semantics. If you think my using "link" semantically equals "incriminate" we're done here.
draslin
Right, the point I'm making is, an answer can be incriminating without actually committing a crime.
draslin
But lets not pretend it doesn't also cover "I did super illegal shit and as long as I don't admit it I'm getting away with it" either.
ArkoneAxon
That is a TERRIFYING sentiment and I live in fear that it will become mainstream. "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, they pled the Fifth.>
ArkoneAxon
CLEARLY that proves their guilt, and you must convict!"
UnattendedDeviant
“the refusal to testify on the ground that the testimony might tend to incriminate the witness in a crime"
Akurei00
Since that would be self incriminating, yes it qualifies and no one argued to the contrary.
Piperr
It covers that. It does not mean that.
penzick
The 5th explicitly IS about incriminating yourself. "Incrimination" is unrelated to actual guilt. It means to give the appearance of guilt.
penzick
http://www.selfincrimination.org/pleadingthefifth.htmlfth.html">http://www.selfincrimination.org/pleadingthefifth.htmla> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/incriminate
draslin
Isn't that what I'm saying? An answer can be incriminating without actually having committed a crime.
penzick
1. You literally said "it's not about incriminating yourself." 2. No one suggested that the incriminating statement has to be illegal.
draslin
Isn't that exactly what the post I responded to is saying? AKA Its not just "I don't want to answer" its "could link me to a crime?"
Akurei00
No, you misread. They said it's about "not incriminating" yourself. Your "not" and "about" are backwards. Changes the meaning substantially.
boevis
You don't just plead the 5th because you or someone you know is guilty of a crime, but because you don't want to give evidence that could >
UnattendedDeviant
https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/taking-the-fifth
boevis
be used to implicate you or someone you know in a crime, even if no crime had actually been committed. You also might say something wrong>
boevis
because memory is imperfect even without stress, which later gets contradicted by hard evidence, and lying in court is illegal.
Hexidimentional
saying you cannot recall correctly is valid and looks better on you as the accused however
UnattendedDeviant
I used the exact wording from the legal definition.
boevis
"link me to crime" is not the same thing as "incriminate the witness (me) in a crime". It's semantics, but we're talking about law.
UnattendedDeviant
Yes. Semantics. If someone can be linked to a crime they can be incriminated in that crime.
boevis
just fyi as to why people are downvoting you, and arguing with you while seeming to say nearly the same thing.
oopssorrywrongplanet
No, that's a terrible way to look at it.That's an important right, and one shouldn't assume it means anything. Think of Trump.. even if he
oopssorrywrongplanet
Was innocent (HA!), His lawyers would absolutely not want him to say a fucking word. It says what it says.. "I don't want to fuck up or give
oopssorrywrongplanet
Procecutors ammo to try to hang me with"... It's a good thing we can do it. I admit, looks bad. They'll get these fucks on real evidence.
charhan
“If you’re innocent why are you taking the fifth?” DJT
UnattendedDeviant
I used the wording from the legal definition. https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/taking-the-fifth
UnattendedDeviant
Remember, the 5th says a person can't be compelled to be a witness against themselves. So taking means think you could be a witness..
UnattendedDeviant
...against yourself and the 5th protects you from having to do that. Is that not correct?
Piperr
Is the court only allowed to have witnesses testify against guilty people? No. You can plead the fifth at any time, even if youre innocent.