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Starfury42
I don't like her - but she would've been 100x better than Trump as president.
zafner
I mean, it is good news, but it's also sad. It's like hearing that your cancer is in remission or something. I'm glad this is happening, but on the other hand, how the hell did it get this far? Why did we ever pay any attention to him at all? There's still something really wrong with the country.
Thorpington
Cilvaa
LincLoud
It only works if he goes to jail. I WANT him to go to jail but I also have limited faith in the system. I hope it is restored.
KyotoGaijin
Hey, just for comparison, can someone tell me how many felony counts Hillary Clinton has been indicted on?
PenguinPete
She called it way back in the debates. Trump was Putin's puppet. Every word came true.
rbudrick
"I fucking told you so." -Hillary Clinton
bloxxing
if the system was working he'd have been in jail since about '85. and i don't begrudge her her a moment of happiness either.
SwiftyGuy
I would begrudge her. Yeah, there’s the “I’m right, I told you so” kinda stuff, but you think she really should be happy just because she was right? Or should she actually be more like not giddy and more angry because she knew this shit would happen and now millions are dead, among other things?
Raileks
alcamar
jonReremy9669
mikanskittles
spinballwizardmtg
ChelVanin
Live your best life girl
Nandortherelentless
HarryBlackstoneCopperfieldDresdenIsMyPatronus
Two Nine-Nine gifs in a row, both of this lady, and neither is the "Oh noooo" with the completely un-disguisable grin?
AjKaramba
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Dazzledent
jonReremy9669
HeywouldJablowme
I voted for her because fuck trump, but I still hate her guts.
watchingtheworldgoby
Who could blame her after the crap the GOP put her through, all to find nothing.
Muzfish4
bUt HeR eMaILs...
rcantProblemCreator
Mmmm butter emails
arfysdad
Let's not forget that James Comey helped Trump into the presidency by releasing info on Hillary a week before the election. She would have won but for that.
Stanistani
Poor Hillary, she looks absolutely devastated. *snortgiggle*
neworiginal3
For the life of me I will never understand the vitriol for her. Or why so many people thought Trump was the better option of the two
plantpr0n
A decade long smear campaign from right wing media certainly helped.
mindnumbingbraincandy
Hint: it has to do with sexism
Manae
And about thirty years of character assassination from right-wing bullshitters.
Strangeboke
Sexism, but also bluntly she isn't that personable. Which is normal considering that she's basically lived her whole life as an elite lawyer. ALSO she gets associated with her husband's politics (which were much farther to the right than the modern DNC and probably to the right of either of their actual views) There are also conspiracy theories about her foundation which are mostly baseless.
loma45
There are lots of valid reasons not to love her - mostly around her neo-liberal, pro corporate policies that had little real progressivism in them. Of course, even with all that she's still MILES ahead of the TFG. I think it was a combination of anti-status quo protest votes, Trump riling up most of the right wing base, and a healthy dose of voter apathy that resulted in 2016 going the way it did.
Aristocrats
Had a tiny role in Nixon impeachment, did important desegregation work, and sold the hell out of the childrens' health insurance program.
ThatSonOfaBitch
And now a clip of Hillary Clinton expressing profound sadness.
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
jonReremy9669
Christonabike101
fake40nedeso
PirateArrrgument
This has basically been my reaction at every new indictment.
HeywouldJablowme
Like the unlikable mindless political robot that she is. So unlikeable even Trump beat her. And I voted for her, because fuck Trump and all of his supporters. But fuck Hillary too.
19tmoose97
Trump lost the popular vote, your fucked up gerrymandering won him the election
HeywouldJablowme
My fucked up gerrymandering? Thought I made it clear who I voted for.
ilikepiewaytoomuch
Trump sucks, etc. Gerrymandering didn’t help him win a national election. If you’re a house representative or are a state level legislator, you could make that argument all day long. The electoral college is what caused the issue of him winning due to losing the popular vote. Just like when Bush won over Gore.
TheGreatestMango
when it comes to bush v gore please let's not forget the supreme court
ilikepiewaytoomuch
You right. That’s another piece on the 2000 election that is often overlooked.
DropDrop
While I very, very, very, very, much don't like Trump, I'm also not a fan of the Clintons. I wish so fucking hard that the Democratic party could come up with a good candidate under 80 years old. Yes, Hillary is under 80, I'm mot so saying 80 because I do like Bernie Sanders, but he's already 81. I'd love to have someone I was excited about, not just the lesser of two ever increasing evils.
jemappelletosca
The system only produces evils, because there are no true public servants anymore, only candidates raising campaign funds and making deals. We have to get the money out of politics first. Citizens United case needs to be reversed.
DropDrop
That's why they try to keep us divided with culture wars, north vs south, big city vs small town, etc, etc. They've got me in a position I'm just happy if we get a candidate that won't try and end democracy.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
If Trump truly wanted Hillary locked up, he should have just appointed her to his administration...
Iblamemyparentstoo
Oh Snap!
Bigblackdick69
My friend, do you have a link where I could purchase this flag?
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Nothing I can recommend from experience, but a few dif places selling them now. Just google jack smith flag for sale.
Bigblackdick69
Thank you kindly individual I respect
SecretAgentSuperBooger
jekath
I've seen dogs with a stick being more profoundly sad. She does have every right to be gitty and delighted.
MisterFluffi
I mean, it is possible to be both. She can be elated he is getting what he has created delivered to him while still being understandably sad about what this does to the way the Presidency is viewed in and out the US, the way America is viewed overall in the world and the way it's divided her already fractured country's people into ideologies.
jekath
That is a fair point. Kinda bittersweet.
Alurkerforcedtologin
I don't blame her one bit. Hell, she could descend into a Florida sports arena at half time on a helicopter blasting the chant "LOCK HIM UP" over loudspeakers, and I wouldn't begrudge her the satisfaction.
TheRealJoeHasenguy
If it was a hockey game there'd be no half time. Checkmate atheist
koops
“I CAME IN LIKE A WREEEEEEECKING BALL!”
itsjustplaid
She's definitely earned that right.
Targe0
If anything, I'd respect the sheer audacity if she did that.
Einstein9073
I want to see a Hillary Clinton impersonator in the Georgia courtroom. Holding a sign above her head that says lock him up.
YouAreTheInsultMaster
There is still time
thebeardo
Yeah
jonReremy9669
hypocrisy if the foundation of CUNTservatism
Seanspeed
And they are completely incapable of appreciating the irony. They *genuinely* think they should be held to a different standard than everybody else.
sockpanhandler
Could you repost this image. It says unsupported link for me
PeterTried
Yeah, for me too. It happens more often nowadays with reaction images.
neithermenoryou
This should work, hopefully:
DestinyPrevails
Trump is so bad, he makes Clinton look relatable, Biden like the world's best orator, Bolton like a dove, Guiliani like a legal mastermind, Epstein like a saint, Greene like a sane person, and Christie slim. He's the personification of the Dark Triad but with severe braindamage. If Clinton is giddy at Trump being indicted again, that's probably the first time I can fully relate to her about something political.
Sasurau
Tertiary stage neurosyphilis is a helluva disease.
bananabonanza3
Way to take the “Trump is a weak man’s idea of a strong man, a poor man’s idea of the rich man, a stupid man’s idea of a smart man” to the next level! +1
LuminoZero
So, what did Hillary Clinton do that bothered you so much? Ya know, things that would have still bothered you to the same degree if a male politician did them? Yes, I'm calling the vilifying of Hillary Clinton sexist, straight up. The woman wasn't perfect, sure, but she was help to IMPOSSIBLE standards that nobody else in that sphere was.
DestinyPrevails
She supported the war in Iraq, and yes, I do think Bush, Cheney, & gang should be tried in the Hague. She supported Bill Clinton and with the rest of the Democratic party turned to neoliberalism. She was Obama's SoS while warcrimes were committed. I don't think those are sexist. But if you want to strike out Clinton above because it's sexist to think she's an out-of-touch neolib with an over-reliance on focus groups, feel free.
ipeoch
I didn't vilify her, I just didn't want to vote for her. Voted for Sanders in the primaries, because his platform aligned more with my values. Still voted for her in the general though.
foolycharged
I mean, there is that whole thing were she and her own party basically decided she won the primaries in advance. That was a pretty fucked up subversion of the democratic process that I'll hold against the entire party even if their competitors somehow make them look like the good guys in spite of that.
LuminoZero
Bernie lost that Primary even without super delegates. He lost the Primary to Joe Biden. He's NOT as popular as Imgur and Reddit long to believe.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Yep, she's politically the exact same as Obama and Biden. Yet neither of them got the shit piled on them like she did. I saw a lot of "There's just something about her I don't like". If they can't say what it is, I have a pretty good guess.
revolutionofevolution
If you mean from the right/center, sure. But there are very valid criticisms of her from the left. She's significantly more hawkish on foreign policy than either of them, for one. She'd be an entrenchment of the political dynastization of the executive branch. If she isn't actually in it more for the power/prestige than Obama, she's at least much worse at disguising her ambition. Biden can suck a toad there though.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Yeah, but if they actually have real criticisms of her politics, they just say them. If they instead have an indefinable "something" that they don't like, that's sexism.
mygodhasabiggerdick
The DNC fucked us for running her. She would have been 10,000,000,000 times better than what we got, no question. But part of the reason we lost is that the RW Noise machine had been hammering her and Bill for 20+ years, so they had an ingrained Boogeyman who was fucking radioactive instead of a competent, Reagan-lite Dem who was running. Don't like her politics and she is as craven as Dems get. But she would have been SOOOO much better than what we got. And, yes. We deserved him. Reaping etc...
HeywouldJablowme
💯 I can't stand how Imgur's hive mind blindly supports her. Most are clearly ignorant to the many atrocities she has committed especially as Secretary of state. She's supported dictators and overthrown third world countries. She is not a leftist, or even a democrat. She is Far Right lite. But to be clear, I still voted for her, because Trump is a fucking monster and one of the worst people America has ever produced. But I still hate Hillary
Whiskers7
And that's not even mentioning, "let's all Pokemon go... To the polls" as one of the most awkward things said in a political campaign. As an outsider watching the American presidential race, what a mess. And it hasn't gotten any better.
Strangeboke
I mean she basically did win. She got as many votes as obama and won the popular vote. Trump merely got a lot of weirdos to vote for him that hadn't been republican voters before.
pr3viso
I disagree. I believe she lost because she didn't pick Bernie as her running mate. She ignored his clout and it cost her the presidency.
mygodhasabiggerdick
Her being snarky about Bernie in 2020 is why I got permabanned from Reddit.
urboyevan2
I fucking love Hilary. I never believe or fed into the Russian propaganda in 2016 that tried to get everyone to hate her. A lot of people fell for it. She’s smart she’s witty, and she would have been a fantastic president.
JustHereForTheMemes0321
Glad someone said, many of these comments are nutts. It's like they have a fantasy about her in their head.
Iblamemyparentstoo
This👆👆👆👆👆 Same here!
SpinachToothedSmile
Thank You!! She is an awesome lady, wicked smart and wicked funny. And so, so, sooo tough.. We failed her, and the system failed us and her. Getting MILLIONS MORE VOTES and yet this rapist conman grifter sleazeball clown got elected over her?? F.U. maaan.. I'm never ever getting over it!!
Dazzledent
TotallyNotTheNSAGuys
I'll admit, I wasnt a fan - more of a "this will be same shit different day" sort, but she was fucking obviously such a btter candiadte even so. But shit, so many "moderates" voted trump because they didnt like her. Just, jesus fucking christ guys
Jamroast
"But she called us Deplorables!" My Mom... Oooh but rapist is ok as a survivor? I just don't get it!
Emjayen
I mean she was right, and the interim years have only proved her further correct.
ximzadix
I'm ashamed that my first reaction to him running for president (after the obvious 'this aint a joke, right?) was that he couldn't be any worse than the corrupt politicians already running the place. In hindsight, rather glad I didnt publish that thought online lmao !
Larktonguesinadicecup
For a solid ten seconds, I thought it would be *funny*. Create some chaos, split the GOP. The idea that he would resign if he won because he didn't really want the role was quite popular despite 2016 not being his first campaign for president. Then he won the primary and shook his arm mockingly at that disabled reporter and I could very clearly see the death camps
sylkysmooth
I know some idiots that voted for him exclusively because it wouldn't be more of the same, that "Man, if nothing else, he'll be entertaining." I'd ask them all what they think now but I stopped talking with them except for one who stopped talking to me first, he died to the "hoax" that was covid before I decided to wholly cut him and the others out of my life.
mygodhasabiggerdick
So....he beat you to it, then?
sylkysmooth
Yuuup. You know them Trump voters, always winning. Winning so much they get tired of winning and just die.
tzahtman
She didn't lose because terrible people voted for her, she did win the popular vote after all, but because almost half of all voters were apathetic and didn't vote at all.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
Low turnout in US elections is standard and expected though, so not a very good excuse for her.
tzahtman
Low turnout is normal but there are still degrees of low turnout. There is a large difference between 40% not showing up and 48 states being 51% or greater not showing up. It wasn't just a factor but a significant factor in the 2016 election.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
You must be going by the voting-age population rather than the voting-eligible population? Because only WV, UT, and HI had under 51% turnout of eligible voters. Still I don't think all the blame should go on people. Maybe the parties should consider running candidates actually capable of inspiring people to vote?
sylkysmooth
That just means that over half of voters couldn't see a functional difference between the two candidates. In hindsight we know that's wrong, yet at the time for many it did seem a lot like "more corrupt politicians being corrupt politicians with us unable to do anything about it because they're the only real candidates."
tzahtman
Yeah, but that wasn't the argument. Trump didn't win because he got more votes and we need to stop making those idiots feel like they have more numbers than they do.
sylkysmooth
What argument? Looks more to me like you were making a statement, I was elaborating on that statement. In particular why almost half of all voters were apathetic and didn't vote.
tzahtman
From the original post that said Cheeto Supreme won because so many voted for him. Perhaps they just meant that anyone voted for him, which is more than should have, but it isn't uncommon to see posts that seem to think that the Tangerine Dream got 51%+ of all Americans to support him.
Noughmad
I wasn't a fan of her either. But now that I look back, I think a lot of it was because of right-wing propaganda that I did not notice at the time.
MarsIsAfire
I lot of it was (and is) just anti-woman propaganda and bigotry.
Noughmad
That's what I said, right-wind propaganda.
vodray
Talk show hosts like Limbaugh, Savage, and Levin had been denigrating her since 1992. That's playing the long game and it unfortunately worked.
spiceass9000
It is sad cause he fucking destroyed the country. But it is also pretty fucking funny especially since she said this would happen
kombuchaguacamole
He did but it's been an ongoing process with lots of help. I don't feel like he deserves all the credit but he certainly hurried it along. I would recommend reading Democracy In Chains if you want an understanding of how we got here and where we could be headed.
tzahtman
She said it. I said it. You said it. Hell, Lindsey Graham said it.
smegheadenergy
Lindsey Lohan also said it, shocking as that was
Bigblackdick69
Hell, Lindsey tweeted it so there will always be proof
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
I for some reason yall hate her, but cmon, there shouldnt have been a question between the two of them. She should be grinning from ear to ear and fucking good on her! I hope she did a little dance.
WardSharlow
There was really no question between them and she got my vote. But, I don't like how the party sabotaged Bernie, and I didn't like the whole "It's my turn" aspect of Hillary's campaign. Also, wtf is up with Americans craving political dynasties? That shit is scary.
RedLetterMediaReactionGifs
For some reason? Of course she was the sane choice next to Trump, but c'mon my guy.
deject3000
She was the target of an over 30 year long smear campaign. Hillary Clinton is one of the most vilified figures in conservative circles.
Leithoa
She spent her whole career smearing other people. 'House of Cards' takes inspiration from the Clintons. The hate against her (& Bill) wasn't completely unfounded.
BigDaddysMeatWagon
She wasn't -perfect-, and the Republicans did a great job pointing that out to sway undecided people and independent voters, leading to an intense voter pool poisoning. The rest of the problem is the left thought it was a sure thing, so some missed votes won't matter while the right was in full cult mode.
NotSomoneElse68
They're wasn't a question between the two for me. But she was so insufferable and entitled that it created a question among too many people and she lost the election. I'm tired of hearing about her. She's done. Go away.
gft8gd5khn101
She is the lesser evil compared to Trump but most people do not know she is a sociopath who favors power and bullies rape victims. She brutally cross examined a 12-yr old who had been gang raped and sustained internal injuries as a result, and joked about the case with other attorneys. She pressured a woman allegedly raped by Clinton at a party after - thanks for all you do for Bill. They are all evil trash. One however won’t destroy democracy.
Iblamemyparentstoo
I'd vote for her all over again!!
Sphinct182
Just so you know, people hate Hillary because her platform is basically "Republican Lite" and that she has the "Too many conspiracy theories for at least some of them not to be true" problem re: extrajudicial killings and corruption. She's considered at the very least to be too conservative to be a Democrat.
MerriMod
I pinched my nose and voted for Clinton, because it was the right thing to do. I don't like her and don't agree with a lot of her positions, but still feel like she would've at least been an adequate president. Certainly a vastly far cry better than the cacophonous shit storm Trump and the Republicans have been. Given everything that happened, I can't blame her for savoring a little schadenfreude along with the rest of us either.
nekuth
She got hate for being Trumps first political target. Targeting her suspicious emails to make her untrustworthy. As opposed to Trump whose been declared bankrupt multiple times and has many more dodgy dealings where people went unpaid.... This was before being president.... I can't say I like her, but at least she can spell Coffee....
threenotch23
Our media made sure to emphasize her lead in the polls to the point that many potential voters didn’t think their vote was needed for her to win so they stayed home. Polls don’t mean a damn thing!!! VOTES are the ONLY poll numbers that matters.
Seanspeed
"for some reason" - yep, you're the type who helped Trump win in 2016. You didn't like Hillary cuz you were influenced by other people not liking her, so you went with that like the useless sheep you are, and helped ensure turnout was poor for Democrats, leading to Trump winning. The fact that you still haven't actually had any self awareness since is a huge problem.
Hereagain
I'm gonna be that guy. Look into the shit the Clinton Foundation has pulled in Haiti. A lot of "if you don't vote for x we're pulling funding" type behavior.
Leithoa
Or how she handled the sexual abuse accusations against Bill, or her tough on crime policies, or half a dozen other things.
PosthumousExile
I was waiting for someone to mention that. Fr
Hereagain
Yep. More generally, her and Bills brand of liberalism is just Nixon/Regan era conservatism.
Seanspeed
Tell me you know nothing about politics without telling me you know nothing about politics. You just regurgitate bullshit talking points you've seen other people say online. You all helped Trump win. You're responsible.
Hereagain
Uh huh. I wish I had voted for Clinton, and done more to get others to vote for her. But I don't have a time machine. Now that that's out of the way, please come meet the rest of us in the present where we're trying to fix things. Also, did you know that you can look up senatorial voting records? For instance, you can look up Clinton's voting records and see what sort of policies she supported. Weird.
ADDGirl
But, but, there's just something I don't like about her!! /S
Seanspeed
"I just dont like her" - it's all because people are sheep and saw lots of critical comments online about her, most of which weren't even valid. It's not a mystery. Hillary was a massive victim of propaganda and the left fell for it nearly as bad as the right did.
ADDGirl
The people I heard say that 100% didn't want a woman in power. "Anybody but Hillary" aka "I'd take an unqualified guy over a qualified woman".
jankeydadondc
*female and in a position of power?
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
Hillary Clinton is incredibly, almost comically, unlikeable. But she would have made a highly effective POTUS. She is a bureaucrat to her core, and not much would have gotten better under her administration, but things would have gotten way, way less worse, if that makes sense. We'd be calling her Covid measures draconian now, but with probably 1/4 to 1/2 the deaths.
Seanspeed
She wasn't unlikeable. Y'all just kept pushing that line til it manifested in the election results. You all helped Trump win pushing this garbage. Hillary's policy positions were quite good, but none of y'all cared about that or really looked into it. You just parroted bullshit you saw other idiots saying on social media.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
First, no one helped Trump win mor than Hillary. She thought she was owed the presidency and didn't campaign in multiple key states. As someone who voted for ol' Hill-dog, her incredible arrogance and entitled behavior lost her the election. No one is owed a vote, it's on the candidate to earn them. Second, I just said she would have been a "highly effective POTUS" and stand by that. But she is an absolute neo-liberal corporatist and to claim otherwise is dishonest.
Richter12x2
She's not a real likable person, but she was incredibly competent. He on the other hand is a loosely tied, leaky garbage sack of pig excrement.
Larktonguesinadicecup
At least with her the sack was securely tied and intact.
Seanspeed
Why isn't she likeable? Unlike most politicians, she was actually more open and honest. Y'all never have an answer for this. You're just sheep who went with what other people were saying online.
Richter12x2
No, I just didn't like her as a person. I never considered why really. I think she did a great job. I think she would have been better than her husband. I still voted for her, because I know she could have done the job. I also don't like Richard Gere, or Ben Stiller, or Will Ferrell. I think they're talented (for the most part) there's just something about them I don't care for.
Seanspeed
"I just didn't like her as a person". "I still voted for her, but I convinced tons of people she was terrible and not worth voting for her". You're all directly responsible for Trump winning.
Richter12x2
I'm not allowed to like or not like who I want? You drastically overestimate my influence. Everyone I talked to about it back in 2016 voted for her. We all knew she was the best choice. The only people I know of that voted Trump were the ones that were always going to vote Trump. Some I haven't spoken with since.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
Of course she was the lesser evil and most people accepted that, it's a bullshit excuse that a lot of Bernie supporters supposedly switched to Trump for the general (twice as many Hillary supporters in 2008 switched to McCain in the general). I still think it's perfectly reasonable to hate her. She wanted to continue way too many corporation/rich-coddling policies that are simply unsustainable. We can't afford her violent centrism when our overton window is centered so far right.
Seanspeed
The idea that she wanted to continue rich-coddling policies is a complete lie. The whole 'Shillary' accusations were genuinely completely fabricated from basically nothing. You're pushing bullshit talking points that weren't real. People like you are why Trump won and it's fucking amazing that y'all haven't learned anything since.
dbbbbs
So instead, we picked Trump? Good choice /s.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
Nobody is saying she was shittier than Trump. That doesn't mean she wasn't shitty.
CobainsSarcoma
voting for trump because Bernie didn't get the nomination is like stapling your dick to the table to punish your wife for wrecking the car.
SpinachToothedSmile
KINDLY HUSH-UP, U GLEN BLECHH WANNABE :)
BluePaladin42
I don't like her because she is a career politician, and politicians basically suck. But I can stomach someone I don't like in a position of power if I think they know and understand how to do the job, and I felt then and now Hillary Clinton is qualified. For sure she is several orders of magnitude better than even the best GOP option, let alone fucking TRUMP.
Seanspeed
I'll never for the life of me understand how people thinking that people who have a lot of experience should be considered less welcome for the most important jobs in the country. This whole "All politicians suck" mentality is a HUGE reason we got in the position we're in. It leads to apathy and low turnout.
alwaysthecheesegrater
At least career politicians know their role and how/when to get things done. I don't know why anyone thought that a corrupt business man could be president without compromising our country.
BluePaladin42
Pretty much this. I don't have to like her, I am going to vote for the one who knows her business, not the clown.
ADDGirl
I don't get this. Who do you want to run the country? A total newbie who has no idea? Hey, let's get a movie star to do it, I bet they'll have GREAT ideas on economics and which direction money trickles down/up.
alwaysthecheesegrater
For anyone who doesn't know, Reagan was an actor. I think we all know how Reagan is thought about these days.
PalaverQuader
but its not about the person, right? its about the politics that person makes. and how could anyone ever think Trump is going to make anything proper in his office? he is so incredibly lacking of any knowledge and he always showed that. sometimes i think americans just voted for him to hurt their own country.
Rpgjgb
He talks a "good" game. Says what people want to hear (some people) despite being a known liar and fraud. Its about the message, not the truth. "Build the Wall" and "Drain the Swamp" sound like they're good things when you're afraid of the "evil boogeyman of the illegals" and the visible bullshit of the government. And when you agree with the message you tend to ignore the truth
BluePaladin42
Republicans really did. They want to hurt people they don't like, and Trump not only said he'd do that but said they were good people for it. That meant more to them than anything else.
mrthewhitee
"Some reason." She's a terrible person. Not as bad as Trump, but let's not pretend she's a Saint just cause she gamed the system in a way that didn't obviously break the law.
Seanspeed
People like you are why Trump won. Pushing complete propaganda nonsense.
veryscare
Tell me you don't understand politics without telling me you don't understand politics. Hillary won the popular vote in 2016, Trump won the electoral vote in no small part due to a record-setting 2 billion dollars in corporate lobbying.
Seanspeed
Oh my god, somebody like you telling me I dont know about politics is rich as fuck. This country is really fucked. Americans are just fucking uninformed and dumb when it comes down to it.
veryscare
Ad Hominem 💀 Stay mad
veryscare
It's true. She was reportedly awful to work with, and an absolute nightmare to work for. Agreed that she's nowhere near the level of cartoon-villain that Trump is, but she did do a lot of screaming at menial staff and security.
Seanspeed
You're literally pushing bullshit propaganda talking points, ffs. Y'all are little better than Trump supporters.
trybuttstuff
Came here to say this. The only thing she had going for her was that she was the lesser of two evils. And frankly the DNC made this bed with their shifty maneuvering to make her the candidate over Bernie
Seanspeed
"The election was rigged" - oh right, Bernie diehards sound just as ridiculous as Trump supporters in this regard and cant accept reality. Hillary was not 'an evil'. Suggesting so is why Trump won. Y'all fucked us all and bear huge blame for everything since.
irisview
Give me Bernie all day, DNC blew it in my view, picking Clinton
TheSupremeCrabMaster
There wasn't. The people picked Clinton. The SYSTEM picked Trump.
onionninjas
I don’t quite understand how a game wherein, between two parties, the one with 21% of the points can theoretically win the whole game.
HaberdasherInGold
21% can be a plurality. "Candidate with the most votes," not "candidate with most of the votes." It's not the best system, but primaries are held by political parties, so the thought is "this candidate is the best we have, and none of us are going to vote for the 'other guy,' so 21% wins it this time."
onionninjas
I’ll let Mr. Grey explain what i mean, https://youtu.be/7wC42HgLA4k. I understand the point / principle of the electoral college, and it makes sense in theory. But , as a non-American looking in, the system should be updated. Between this and the idea of faithless electors though, it’s easy to see how things can get weird. To be fair, most electoral systems should be modernized to ranked choice at the very least.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
They're talking about the general, not the primaries. Because of the EC, it's technically possible to get 21% of the vote and win the general.
Cayowin
Didn't the super delegates pick Hillary? Popular sentiment was fairly well behind Bernie before the superdelagates got involved
knuckledeepinacatgirl
Sentiment was, votes was not. Lots of people liked Bernie, but they also didn't go out and vote for him, she had a comfortable lead before the super delegates got involved.
vystral
Popular sentiment on Imgur and Reddit was fully behind Bernie. But that’s not usually representative of the country overall. The truth is simply that Bernie got trounced in the primaries. Same as in 2020.
gdex86
Sanders never had a lead in any national poll against Clinton. He lost pretty hard once we got a number of states where black voters make up a significant amount of turnout. And Sanders was the one arguing that super delegates reject the consensus of the pledged delegates
alwaysthecheesegrater
I WANTED to pick Bernie!!! But, then I did the smart thing and voted Hillary.
WigglyBlondeNoodle
*Debbie Wasserman Schultz has entered the chat*
BenYourFriend
If only ranked choice voting was our system. Would be so much better
cuddleskunk
Ranked choice is legitimately too confusing for some people (yes, really...I don't wanna get into it again). We can get the same accomplished by just allowing everyone to vote as many times as they want, but they can only vote once for each person.
Alurkerforcedtologin
"who do you want?" "ok, now if they don't win, who would be your next choice?". No sarcasm, that probably is too complicated for half the voters.
alwaysthecheesegrater
AGREED.
Dranton12
The democratic convention picked Hillary. And while I would have preferred her to Trump, we were robbed of our true opportunity in Bernie.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Bernie wouldn't have won. The US electorate is only 6% progressives. The numbers just aren't there for him to win.
Dranton12
And you don’t think if he was the headliner on the democratic ballot her wouldn’t have at least had the same chance as Hillary. Remembering she still lost.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
No, I don't think he would have. Remember that a huge chunk of the Dem party is essentially centrist and even conservative. They aren't interested in what Bernie was selling. This is why he hasn't been more successful in making political change in the first place - lack of support. Pew did an interesting breakdown on political leanings in the US: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/ Look at the General public column. Bernie has those /1
digitalagriculture
The "some reason" is 40+ years of conservative propaganda specifically about her that works on everyone. It's a powerful force and Democrats need to take a lesson here and start doing the same thing, instead of treating Republicans like friends and colleagues.
mrthewhitee
Lol hee policies from her own mouth were absolute dogshit. She didn't want to make any real progress any only wanted to make gestures at progress in a shallow attempt to appease people who want actual change and improvement in the country. This is all from her own mouth and not conservative propaganda. There are plenty of reasons to dislike her for her own ideals.
Seanspeed
Her policies were quite decent. I guarantee most of you anti-Hillary folks never paid any actual attention to her policies, you're just parroting bullshit you saw other people saying online.
mrthewhitee
They absolutely weren't. She wasn't going to push for Medicare for all and she was against student loan forgiveness. All she wanted to do was form committees to "discuss the issues" which is code for waste years looking like you care while doing nothing
Seanspeed
Hillary pushed for universal healthcare back in the fucking 90's. Also, M4A is not the only way to do universal healthcare. I live in the UK and we dont ban private insurance like M4A proposes. For fuck's sake, learn more about what you're actually talking about.
digitalagriculture
Focusing on her policies excludes 95% of the public from this discussion. There are plenty of reasons to dislike her policies (and I personally agree with you about many of them), but that's not why 95% of the people who hate her do so. They hate her because decades of conservative propaganda have made her into a human-devil caricature.
RedLetterMediaReactionGifs
Source on that 95%?
textilelover
She's competent, highly intelligent, unrelatable, and unlikeable. Conservatives don't like her because she's an intelligent, competent woman and that terrifies them, liberals don't like her because she's not likeable and progressives don't like her because she's a status quo, support-the-plutocracy centrist.
Seanspeed
She's not actually 'unlikeable'. She's only unlikeable cuz y'all said she was, cuz you saw other people saying it. It was the foot feeding the mouth. It was a self-reinforcing feedback loop.